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Scott Lang's book: Everything we learn about the MCU timeline and time heist

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A bit of Everything

A bit of Everything

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This video looks at all of the timeline and time heist mentions in the new Scott Lang book, "Look out for the Little Guy".
#marvel #disneyplus #mcu #timeline #quantumania #antman #wasp #endgame #timeline #antmanandthewasp
00:00 - Intro
01:08 - WHIH Newsfront
04:04 - Ant-Man
07:03 - Civil War
10:58 - Ant-Man and the Wasp
15:05 - Endgame
18:00 - How did the time heist work?
22:50 - Impact of the time heist
29:52 - Writing the book
34:35 - When did the book come out?
36:15 - When did the book tour begin?

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@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
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@rogerroger5171
@rogerroger5171 11 ай бұрын
Actually, Luis should have been in SheHulk. Maybe would have helped add some humor to that show. Cap can go back and be with Peggy because, he had always gone back to be with Peggy. In CAWS, Peggy is on that film at the Smithsonian. She says that she actually married one of the soldiers saved by Steve Rogers. That was a cover story, it was Steve that whole time. Why did Peggy not have a picture of this "love of her life" on her bedside during her last days? They knew that future Steve would be there to see her at some point. Its just like Kamalla going back to save her grandmother. Its a fixed loop. One more thing, I think Stephen Strange did read the book/manuscript, at least in his sleep.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
​@@rogerroger5171I love the idea of Luis being in She-Hulk. Those two would be amazing together! As for Cap, I do understand the idea that he could potentially create a closed loop, but my bigger issue is I can't imagine him sitting idly while all the death and destruction is happening that he could prevent, such as 9/11. While this video is done more from a humorous standpoint, it brings out why I think there's no way Steve could let so many people die: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nqidnZej2Jevon0.html. And I love the idea of Dr. Strange reading the book in his sleep. Too funny!
@rogerroger5171
@rogerroger5171 11 ай бұрын
@@AbitofEverything4U here is my one argument on Steve not doing anything to get involved. He knows that people will die. He knows that if he does anything, the world that he knows in 2025 may not come to pass. Bucky may never get out of Hydra's control. Hydra may rule the world and Thanos may destroy everything. As bad as things are and can get, Steve knows that they can infinitely become much worse. If there was ever anyone made whom can display that type of discipline, it's Steve Rogers.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
@@rogerroger5171Yep, I definitely agree on Steve’s discipline, but I think his moral code wouldn’t allow him to ignore all that death and destruction he could prevent. I mean, in a way, it’s a living hell for him to sit there and watch people die that he could’ve saved. I honestly wouldn’t wish that on him. Instead, I like the idea of him being in an alternate timeline, where he could change things, and live the life of peace and harmony that he wants, rather than a life of continual regret every time he sees a newspaper headline that he could’ve prevented.
@TidalVex
@TidalVex 11 ай бұрын
It's always cool whenever companies release tie-in material for moves/TV/video games that are in-universe books. Disney does this a lot, actually, so it's awesome that we got Scott's actually book to read!
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I agree, I love that Disney does this alot. Really enjoyed the book!
@Evilgrapez
@Evilgrapez 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for doing this, I was probably never gonna find the time to read this myself. A few comments: 9:33 The memory spell is really weird but I think we have to assume it manipulated documents across the universe too (that's the only way it'd be effective) so no matter what, Scott would probably have to refer to Peter as Spider-Man in this book. 10:11 I think it’s unlikely prisoners of the Raft have the location disclosed to them, because if they ever got out/escaped, a lot of them wouldn't have any reason to not blab about it. Probably not a location the governments want public? I think it's safe to assume Scott is just saying this to dress up his sentence (at least, I hope so for consistent writing's sake). 17:35 I was really afraid they'd describe it this way where there wasn't much drawback to the reverse-aging in terms of mentality. Introducing an actual fountain of youth in the MCU without drawbacks is really terrible and messy, and with how much they commercialized and expanded Pym-tech in Quantumania there's no reason we haven't seen them work with it even more. The fact that the book _publicizes_ this is even worse. One of the many insane implications of doing that is the goverment knows all about it now, and there's no way they haven't intervened and aren't abusing it right now. And then there's the whole question of the public's reaction to this information. If they don't meaningfully address this stuff later, it's a really bad plot hole. 22:03 It's much more charitable to the MCU to assume Scott is just a bad explainer and it seems consistent with him saying he couldn't exactly explain it, so I'd rather go with that. It's not like he's an experienced author/storyteller. On more positive notes, I really like how Scott writes about Nat and Tony's deaths. It's neat that they actually made this book a real thing. Also, is the "Hulk's baby" line quoted from the book in Quantumania actually in the real thing?
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Fantastic commentary. I agree with all your points. Thanks so much for watching the video and sharing your feedback. Loved reading at all!
@Kompatainment
@Kompatainment 11 ай бұрын
I think Scott is just explaining branching timelines but with words that general audiences understand. And he's not really wrong. In the moment you arrive in "your own" past it becomes an alternate timeline.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I think that's very likely what's happening. I agree, to the average reader of his book, that would make alot more sense to them. Nice call!
@andrejmendes2645
@andrejmendes2645 11 ай бұрын
I ordered the book myself and I have to say that it was great. Admittedly, I was most interested in what Scott would write about the time travel. But I was really blown away by his advice, attitude to life and what he had to go through in his life. I've always loved it when characters can be shown more about their personalities in this way and hope that the MCU might be able to do something similar like this with other characters in the future.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
I agree...I thought the advice was fantastic and he tied it into his own experiences perfectly. I really enjoyed the book and I'd love for Marvel to do more like that in the future!
@darpavader4811
@darpavader4811 11 ай бұрын
This has quickly become my favorite MCU channel.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! I really appreciate the positive feedback!
@julianortiz5712
@julianortiz5712 11 ай бұрын
Interesting! I love the dedication put into the book, even if it didn't answer that many questions or gaps. To me, my favorite tidbit was for sure the fact that Hawkeye and Hulk were the ones who asked Scott to write the book. This with Clint's perseverance for people to hear about Nat is just awesome. Also, good to see that Peyton Reed wasn't drunk, he just didn't watch his own movie :/
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
LOL! Yep, I have to stop accusing Peyton of drinking before his interviews...looks like Marvel really wanted Cassie to be 9 in that movie!
@jdmarsh91
@jdmarsh91 9 ай бұрын
Honestly I love that they did this and made an actual production of Rogers: The Musical, really hope the MCU continues these types of things
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 9 ай бұрын
Agreed...these type of things make the MCU all the more fun. It makes it feel more real. Very cool!
@JoshRead
@JoshRead 11 ай бұрын
always love when you upload right before i eat food, now i have a great video to watch when eating my sandwich 😂
@neutron8346
@neutron8346 11 ай бұрын
That’s exactly what im sayin!
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yes, this video is perfect for sandwich eating time!
@Cris00900340
@Cris00900340 11 ай бұрын
I think a scene in Endgame dedicated to the immortality machine, as well as being intentionally vague about the fate and whereabouts of Steve Rogers, were deliberate choices by Marvel Studios to keep the door open for any future writers/directors to bring back a young Steve Rogers for a special if brief occasion. I think the book must have come out at least after TFatWS, since the Smithsonian exhibit keeps the Avengers' "final mission" vague enough such that there is no mention of a time heist, nor that the Thanos they fight is different from the one in Infinity War. It may not have been public information at the time. Additionally, I don't think Yelena thinking Clint killed Nat necessarily bars the book from releasing before Hawkeye, which helps with the Strange endorsement. Many people rightfully doubt the authenticity of publicly released information. Val, in her position of power, could have simply convinced Yelena that there is more to the story than meets the eye. When Clint tells her that Nat sacrificed herself *for* him, Yelena did not question the context in which she could have possibly needed to do this to save the world; instead, her main concern is *why* Nat would possibly do that for him. Yelena then went on to say that if she was there, she "could have stopped it" and "could have changed it." To me, this quote, as well as Yelena not questioning the details of the situation, only makes sense if Yelena knew why Nat allegedly had to sacrifice herself.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Wow...excellent commentary...Okay, that's a plausible reason that the book could have come out earlier than 2025...although I still wonder if Val might have thought twice about trying to trick Yelena if the world was heralding Nat as having willingly sacrificed herself. The book makes it clear that Natasha wanted to do this. But I do still love your reasoning and it gives food for thought. Excellent theories!
@lw1391
@lw1391 11 ай бұрын
Great catch basing timing of the book on Bruce before the inhibiter. Your attention to detail is amazing. I think one of the most clever aspects of this book, is because it is from Scott's perspective and Scott is not one of the brighter superheroes (his strengths are very specialized), Marvel is hedged because if a detail gets messed up they can say "well Scott got it wrong". Keep in mind this is the guy who was visibly upset because he found out that 'back to the future was bullshit'. If it had been written by Tony or Bruce or in the third person like the encyclopedia timeline book that's coming out they are more on the hook for whatever is stated. It's kind of like that book myths of Luke Skywalker, where stories are told from the perspective of sometimes unreliable narrators. So definitely a fun exercise but I think it probably lose his reliability the more detail you get into. With the exception of personal details. This is exactly the right source to find out how old Cassie is etc.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Well said...excellent feedback. Yeah, Scott was the perfect person to write this as from an in-universe standpoint, everyone loves him, but from a practical standpoint, it lets Marvel be like "uh, yeah, Scott got that wrong." Love it!
@andrewrogers6667
@andrewrogers6667 11 ай бұрын
I feel like with a lot of people talking about how the MCU is falling apart with connectivity things like this remind me how much they really care. Writing a whole book from the perspective of an in universe character with so many Easter eggs and new notes. Absolutely amazing!
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Well said...yeah, I love how the MCU truly cares about making everything fit so well!
@Shayne10998
@Shayne10998 11 ай бұрын
For the “time travel” thing I’m almost positive they were accessing the multiverse but because HWR allowed it, it has to end up with tony dead which in turn prohibits anyone smart enough to figure it out again due to it being a dangerous thing to have on standby. I strongly believe that theres only one multiverse but like you said in your Kang video, I think HWR is just hiding from the branches that connect the multiverse to wherever the kang counsel is. Idk I’m making sense it’s kinda confusing lol
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
I think you said it perfectly. I did an earlier video on Kang where I discussed that very concept that he "isolated" the Sacred Timeline from the other Kangs. I think you nailed it!
@datronhicks7928
@datronhicks7928 11 ай бұрын
Made perfect sense
@lucagz6481
@lucagz6481 11 ай бұрын
Accessing the Multiverse is clearly a different thing then traveling to alternate timelines. You can travel inside your own Timeline, reaching other strands, but traveling to completly different Universes is nearly impossible, this is why America Chavez powers are so unique.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
@@lucagz6481Yeah, I do wish Marvel would give us a clear distinction between timelines and universes. They seem to be used interchangeably, tbh. Hopefully the timeline book will clarify it for us. But at least we know from Scott that the time heist happened in a separate timeline, so that was nice to have confirmed for us.
@lucagz6481
@lucagz6481 11 ай бұрын
@@AbitofEverything4U I think that Loki Ep 6 opening clearly shows us how two Universes are parallel to each other, one with a normal Timeline (a normal sequence going outside of that reality and clear voice lines), while the other is Earth-616, which is the Sacred Timeline (in fact we hear Sylvie and Classic Loki). Michael Waldron also explained this: you can travel to Branches, because they are variations of your Timeline, so they share the same original flow of time. Traveling to other Universes us nearly impossible, and this is visually clarified by what Kang showed Janet: the Timelines of two Universes are parallel, ropes unable to touch each other, only the Branches allow these realities to be linked in some form. Still, you need a highly advanced technology like Kang's Time Sphere (that uses the flow of time and a multiversal core), or unique powers like America Chavez portals, or you can use the dreamwalking spell to move your consciousness. Regarding the Dreamwalking, in MoM we see the Multiverse as interlinked realities, and when Wanda dreamwalks, her consciousness needs to travel through the various Universes by using their connections (so the Branches enstablished in Loki) in order to reach Earth-838. Producer Richie Palmer also explains why Incursions happen: “As our friend Reed Richards tells us, an incursion occurs when a being from one universe travels to another and causes a big enough footprint. You can’t go to another universe and start stomping around and making big waves. If you do, it’s going to mess up the whole balance of the Multiverse, and it could destroy one or both of the universes entirely. The magical connection between those two universes should not be messed with.” “If you’re going to possess your own body in another universe, if you were to go there and observe and just watch for a second, maybe it wouldn’t do anything. But if you’re going to go and start messing with natural events of that universe, the natural timeline and flow of another universe, it could really set off a chain of events in motion that could destroy the entire universe.” www.marvel.com/articles/movies/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-dreamwalking-incursions I would suggest to watch the "Making Of: Doctor Strange In the Multiverse of Madness" and hear the movie commentary, both are on Disney Plus.
@galaxyyedits
@galaxyyedits 11 ай бұрын
I can’t express how much I love in-universe MCU things (such as WHIH and this book).
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I thought the book was alot of fun. Love hearing how someone in-universe would describe all the craziness of the time heist, for example.
@francca
@francca 11 ай бұрын
Great video as always! I think it'd be great if tons of different characters got these kinds of novels before their movies so you can catch up on their story as well as read about a lot of stuff that Marvel wouldn't (and shouldn't) necessarily bother putting on-screen, in movie or even show form. I imagine the books could contain lots of minor Z-list villains that Feige would be 100% sure that they'd never use, just to make the universe even more realistic. They can't only have villains during the runtime of a movie, there should be smaller ones we just don't get to see for the sake of brevity, right?
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Great points! Yes, It would be very cool if we got more of these books and if they went into some of the lesser villains the heroes fought along the way. Love it!
@HistorySkate
@HistorySkate 11 ай бұрын
If it wasn’t clear, I think the way he described time traveling to an ALTERNATE timeline would imply that there is in fact a difference between universes and timeline. Universes can have their own multiple sets of timelines. Because if the mcu is 616, alternate Lokis TVA file ended in 616 yet he is an alternate Loki not just a past Loki. Super interesting. So variants can’t mean a different version of an individual in a timeline and universe sense. I’d like to think all of the what if time lines obviously diverge from the sacred timeline. Where as something like the raimi films are a completely different universe. Super interesting
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Good points. Regarding Loki, the TVA likely labeled him as 616 since he did come from that universe, even if the branch he was in was a new timeline. But the reason I'm thinking that they didn't "jump timelines", as Scott seemed to explain it, is because in the movie they never discussed looking for an alternate timeline. They talked about going into the past of their own timeline. But maybe the movie was implying they went into a new timeline. It certainly was interesting to see how Scott described it. I wonder if the timeline book will go into more detail on it?
@eagc7
@eagc7 11 ай бұрын
I mean Kang did said that he isolated his timeline from the rest of the multiverse, so that does leave the idea open that lets say Raimiverse for example is its own universe, but it and the MCU were cut off, preventing any contact until the events of Loki broke the MCU timeline and allowed it to re-establish contact with it.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
@@eagc7 Yup, I definitely agree that we do not know where the Raimi-verse is located. The only reason I like to think of it as being part of the sacred timeline is Michael Waldron in his interview said that the sacred timeline is actually multiple timelines interwoven. And you can see that in the images where the sacred timeline definitely looks like more than one timeline. So in my head canon, I love to think that the Raimi universe is part of that. But you’re absolutely right that we don’t know at this point. Would be amazing if the timeline book somehow explained it!
@neutron8346
@neutron8346 11 ай бұрын
Oh DUDE!!! Thanks for this! I wanted to get the book but I’m broke right now so this video is exactly what I needed! I also hate reading LMAO
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Oh, I know what you mean about hating to read. It was hard for me to do. Not because the book wasn't good, but because I am a slow reader. But I did it in under a day, so I was happy about that!
@christophersimms9785
@christophersimms9785 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for breaking down the book. I’m thinking of getting that one and the MCU timeline book.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I definitely enjoyed the Scott Lang book and the timeline book looks amazing!
@-Coleschultz
@-Coleschultz 11 ай бұрын
I would love more books just like this one to give us information about the MCU
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yes, I hope this one sells well and that they give us a bunch more like it!
@njeffries
@njeffries 11 ай бұрын
Love these timeline breakdowns. I'm actually working on my own release order timeline for everything that ties into the Marvel Cinematic Multiverse. All movies, games, and even the TV shows ordered by the episode's air dates. It's gonna be a long journey.
@davidk06
@davidk06 11 ай бұрын
That seems like a lot of work. Excited to see hiw it turns out
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Wow...that sounds really cool!
@giovannigiovanni.7220
@giovannigiovanni.7220 11 ай бұрын
18:00 - It just proves my point that everything that's been seen has not been alternate universes but alternate timelines in which they are still taking place within the MCU.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Right...I totally agree...I've always felt that when they did the time heist they went back in time 616, which creates a nexus event and thus a new branched timeline and that they then returned to their main timeline at the end. In fact, I found a quote from Waldron you might enjoy: "In Loki, you can kind of hop from one time line branch to another, but you've gotta be anchored to some original time line. What America can do is, she can jump from one universe to another one. She can literally do the impossible." So that goes perfectly with what you are saying.
@giovannigiovanni.7220
@giovannigiovanni.7220 11 ай бұрын
@@AbitofEverything4U Excatly. They are doing the traditional multiverse rules DC and other media tend to follow.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Well said!
@justice_productions_
@justice_productions_ 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for making this video!
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
You are very welcome...I had alot of fun making it!
@CornettoMcLovin
@CornettoMcLovin 11 ай бұрын
Awesome video, this was a lot more interesting than I thought it would be!
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
I agree...there was alot more to the book than I would have guessed. Had alot of fun putting the vid together. Thanks so much for watching and sharing your feedback!
@Michael-Phantom
@Michael-Phantom 11 ай бұрын
My Theory on the time heist and how they went to other timelines is... Kang is a future dependent of Stark in the MCU not Richard's. (I know it will upset some ppl) but... it's because Tony figured out time travel that eventually his great great great grandson (KANG) to find some old notes and re-discover it... So the events of end game had to happen for the sacred timeline to exist. (Also in loki season 1, a team agent said they had to do that) After our Kang (he who remains) finished the war he just isolated our timeline (sacred timeline) and patrolled all time past and future so that no one leads it to another multiverse war or another Kang finding us... Of corse after he dies Stuff goes crazy and we finally branch into the multiverse
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
I like that theory! I’m really hoping Loki Season 2 will tie things together so that we can see how it all fits. I have really enjoyed the mystery up to this point, but it kind of feels like things need to start dovetailing into a specific storyline. It’s kind of like how in phase 1 and part of phase 2 we really didn’t understand Thanos’ plan… But then suddenly it all started to fall into place and everyone was able to get excited watching the pieces come together. I hope that happens at the Multiverse Saga, too!
@Merione
@Merione 11 ай бұрын
Okay, here's my attempt at explaining the time heist. Be ready for another long comment of mine haha! Let's start from the line by Hulk: "If you travel to the past, that past becomes your future. And your former present becomes the past. Which can't now be changed by your new future". Weirdly enough, I have never though of this line as "confusing". It somehow clicked for me after the first couple of times that I heard it. To understand what this means, I believe, you have to look at it not from a general timeline perspective, but from the individual perspective of a single person who is time traveling. It's teally simple, if you think about it, but they intentionally made it confusing by mixing up the words past, present and future. I'll try my best to explain it. So, imagine Ant-Man. The time heist started in 2023. "If you travel to the past" (say, you go back to 2012, for the sake of argument), "that past becomes your future". This simply means that, now that Ant-Man is in 2012, that is now the future from his point of view, because he's experiencing it in first person, and things that haven't happened yet after the point he came in are still "in the future" for him. Then, after he has time traveled from 2023 to 2012, "your former present becomes the past", which is also true, in the sense that, again from his *individual* point of view, he has already experienced everything in 2023. So, *FOR HIM*, his former present (2023) is now the past, even though he now happens to be in 2012 because of the time travel. Consequently, if 2023 is now his past, it has already happened and, as Hulk says, it "can't be changed by your new future". What does this all mean? It clearly describes the branching of the timelines: if you start from 2023 and travel back to 2012, everything that you're about to experience after the time travel (2012 and beyond) is now "your future", meaning that it's uncertain and depending on your actions can be shaped in any way you want. But at the same time, everything that you left behind (the 2023 that you started from) is now "your past", meaning that it's locked and it cannot be influenced by what you do while time traveling. The only way these two things can happen simultaneously is if every time you time travel you create a new branch in the timeline and follow that, while your original timeline remains unchanged. That's what Scott probably means when he talks about "alternate timelines". That said, though, I don't think that people who say that time travel brings you to your own past are entirely wrong either. Because if you think of a new branch in the timeline, that branch must have stemmed from somewhere, right? Because it is a branch, it must be somehow related to your original timeline. It cannot be an entirely "alternate" timeline, in the sense that runs parallel to your original one, otherwise it wouldn't be a branch! What I believe happens during the time heist is that time travel moves you back along your *OWN* timeline, until you reach your destination. At that point, it creates a branch and places you on it. Think of it as a cart on rails: you put your cart in reverse and bring it back along the track, and then as soon as you come across the junction that you need, you switch tracks and start following the new one. That's what happened during the time heist in Endgame: the Avengers started in 2023, identified the most likely points in time in which they could find the Infinity Stones (I believe what Scott meant in the book is that they simply did a brainstorming: there's a montage in Endgame that shows exactly that, with all the Avengers in a room discussing where they could find each Stone based on their shared experiences with them), then split themselves in smaller groups and each group boarded a different cart that brought them to different points in the past. Then, after each group reached its destination, the cart "switched tracks" and started following the new branch. Each group then is now in a different branch, they find the respective Infinity Stones (which in the case of Steve and Tony requires one additional trip back to the 40s), and once they have them, they board the "cart" again, go back along the branch to that *SAME* junction and "switch back" to their original track and bring the Stones back home. Then, after the Battle of Earth, Steve takes all the Stones, boards the cart once more and revisits all the junctions one at a time to put the Stones back where they came from, thus deleting that branch from existence, as if nothing ever happened. Then, seeing that they had finally won, he decided to go back once more and live his life with Peggy. But (and here's the big question) did this happen on a different timeline or on the main one? I don't think we have enough information to answer this question, at least until the timeline book comes out, but we can speculate. Option 1 is that, after he finished replacing the Stones, he took one last trip back in time and thus created one final branch where he lived his life happily with Peggy and then simply traveled back once more as an old man to give the shield to Sam. I guess one possible way to check would be to count how many Pym Particle charges he had on himself when he left and trace all the trips back and forth, to see if he had enough to make that additional trip, but I don't think the movie ever tells us exactly how many he had when he left (we should check). Option 2, on the other hand would be that, while he was on the very last branch, after he replaced the last stone in the 40s, he boarded in his little cart and, instead of going back to the main timeline at the junction and proceeding forward to go back to 2023, he simply stopped right there at the junction and kept reliving the main timeline from there. This would create some kind of closed time loop, kinda like in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, where Harry and Hermione go back in time only to realize that they had always been there, meaning that at any point during the story there were always two Harry and two Hermione running around. In this case, during the whole Phases 1 to 3 of the MCU we should have two Steve Rogers simultaneously alive on the same timeline: one is the one that we follow during the movies that eventually goes back in time in the time heist and defeats Thanos, and the other is the "old" Steve who has already lived through all that and only shows up at the very end to give the shield to Sam. Some could say that it would be weird for "old" Steve to let all the MCU play out and allow all those tragedies to happen while he already knew how it would play out, but this could simply be explained with the fact that if he had intervened in any way the "young" Steve could not have taken the trip back in time, thus breaking the loop. Another possible counterargument to both options would be Steve's age: considering that his ageing is significantly slowed down by the Super Soldier Serum, in order to grow to that old age that we see at the end of Endgame, he should have lived many, many years, and Peggy would have most likely died before him. But this is probably irrelevant, because in both cases he lives the entire MCU timeline twice: once with all the Avengers as we see in the movies, and then a second time with Peggy (either in a new branch or in the background of the main timeline). In any case, he lives twice as much and has enough time to grow old with Peggy, without introducing any plotholes. Personally, I think that both these options are equally likely, so at this point only the timeline book can explain us what truly happened. Sorry again for the very long comment, but this is a complex issue that requires a bit of time and care to explain properly, especially the analogy with the cart and the tracks (and it might not even be correct haha!)
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Fantastic summary of how the time heist worked and how the branching worked. I agree 1000%. I wish everyone agreed… Because there are still people that think they went back into the main 616 timeline during the time heist. I don’t understand how that’s even possible, but I respect that people truly feel that’s what happened. But I think after this book, and after all we’ve seen in endgame, Loki, and what if, it really seems clear that they created branches. As for Steve, I guess he could’ve tried to create a closed loop like we saw with Ms. Marvel, but I think that was because she time traveled with a magical bangle versus the quantum realm. It seems that Hulk was saying the time travel cannot let you alter the past, but he was speaking, of course, about time travel via the quantum realm. So I’m not sure how Steve could’ve lived in the past and created a closed loop since that seems to break the rules of quantum travel. So I like your option one better personally. But I agree, we really need the timeline back to answer that for us.
@eternalvariant
@eternalvariant 11 ай бұрын
finally it’s out!! glad to see you picked it up. thank you for this haha
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
You're welcome. And thank you for watching and leaving your feedback!
@lucagz6481
@lucagz6481 11 ай бұрын
I guess by "Alternate Timeline", we should take into account that any change made during time travel can generate a variation. If it's not a big change (talking to Ancient One or Frigga, for example), that variantion still exist, as part of the main flow. I mean, the Timeline was always shown as a rope since Endgame, with a baseline (the MCU we know) at the center, and the little strands on the side, which of course can (and generally does) lead to Branches.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Right...I think you nailed it...it seems that's what Scott was trying to convey...it's not that they looked for an alternate timeline, per se, but instead that by going back in time that made them end up in an alternate timeline. So he was basically correct, in his own Scott-Lang like way.
@torabii
@torabii 11 ай бұрын
I’m very excited go read this someday, but not nearly as excited as I am to pour over the timeline book!
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Agreed...the Scott Lang book was good...but the timeline book is gonna be amazing!
@lionkid5841
@lionkid5841 11 ай бұрын
about the immortality thing, this wouldn't be the first time the Avengers had access to space-age technology and kept it from the public. that's basically been the MCU's whole deal since 2008 if you think about it. like, despite arc reactors being this big thing in the iron man trilogy, i don't think we've ever seen them actually used anywhere normal people live. it's actually one of my biggest issues with the MCU
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Excellent point...Tony created sustainable energy and yet we barely see it used. Plus, sharing an immortality solution with the world would create mass chaos. So it's probably better that no one else has access to it, tbh.
@BlackHedgehog
@BlackHedgehog 11 ай бұрын
I'm glad you made a video about this as I would have never bought it personally. Some nice little gleams either way. I wonder if the "you try entertaining a 10 year old" was meant more as a general statement regarding young kids and not specifically identifying Cassie's age but it is really dumb. And while it states they chose alternate timelines for the infinity stones it doesn't dismiss the idea of Steve being in the main timeline but I guess if he went to an alternate 1940s then it would make sense to not be the main timeline but still very confusing. We need a Steve Rogers autobiography, because it's never explained why Steve didn't return back to the present like Hulk expected him to. But also some parts of this sound wild and kind of amazing.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yes… I completely agree. We so need either an autobiography from Steve Rogers or a special presentation showing him returning the stones. I would just love for them to finally answer things once and for all. I still maintain, however, that there’s simply no way Steve could go into the past and not change anything. Even the smallest change could have ripple affects. So based on the Hulk’s rules, it seems impossible he could’ve gone back in the main timeline. But that’s just my take. I really agree that we need that autobiography!
@JustACactus616
@JustACactus616 7 ай бұрын
I wanna point out that the October phone also said it was a Friday- not a school night…. Another thing is that we know she was six, setting her birthday as early fall 2009. So if she’s 18 in Quantumania, it would take place in 2027 or even 2028. And while Disney + isn’t very reliable, it has Quantumania before the GOTG3 but after the Holiday Special. We know the Special is in late 2025, and judging Groot’s growth Guardians 3 would be sometime in 2026- maybe spring. Which would fit the existing theory of it being in 25-6 ish (I’m gonna watch your Quantumania timeline video after this which might explain)
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, Cassie's age has been such a bizarre situation. Peyton retconning his own movie by making her 9 in AM&TW even though Scott says she's 10 is pretty wild stuff. One important thing we learn from the timeline book is that the first movie ends in the summer of 2015, so they are ignoring the October date on that phone. I suspect that was the day the movie was filmed and wasn't intended to be a timeline hint. Regarding the placement of Quantumania, they give us a nice timeline clue with a July 24th date during Scott's book tour, so we know the day and month that the majority of the movie occurs. Also, by placing it after the GotG HS (which is Dec, 2025), that makes the movie July 24, 2026. And, we know Cassie is 18 by the time the movie is happening, due to her being placed in a county jail with other adults. Regarding Groot's growth, I don't think we can use it as any indicator. If Groot's growth is parallel in any way to human growth, it happens in spurts. In the Holiday Special, Kraglin state's he's just a kid, so I suspect he has a version of "tree puberty" that causes unpredictable growth spurts. GotG Vol 3 has a very obscure easter egg in the post credit where we see a festival happening in St. Charles, Missouri and the largest such festival is in August each year, so it seems GotG Vol 3 is Aug, 2026. So, after lots of different attempts to figure out Cassie's age, the timeline book seems to have helped land on the following: Birth: Cassie is born July, 2008 (sometime before the 24th) Ant-Man (July, 2015): Cassie turns 7 as we see her birthday in the movie. While she says she was 6 when she was attacked by the "bee guy" in Quantumania, it could mean they celebrated her b-day early in the movie and that's she's still 6 when Yellowjacket attacks. Or she is forgetting she had just turned 7 and says 6 instead. AM&TW( May, 2018): Cassie is 9 according to Scott's book. Either Scott was just wrong when he said 10 in the movie (she won't turn 10 for another few months) or it's been retconned to 9. Endgame (Oct, 2023): While not stated in the movie, Cassie would be 15 at this point. Quantumania (July 24, 2026): Cassie has turned 18, meaning her birthday has occurred at this point. The epilogue of the movie is likely in August (Scott's injuries have healed somewhat) and so the "make-up" birthday is celebrating some of the birthday's he missed while in jail and / or blipped. Craziness, eh?
@cedrickterrick
@cedrickterrick 11 ай бұрын
That "Empire Strikes back Move" is from The Brave Little Tailor from the Brothers Grimm fairytale. Triggers me everytime I watch CW. But of on the other hand Spidy is just a kid probably doesn't know that.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Interesting...I've never thought of that before!
@pizzatime1146
@pizzatime1146 11 ай бұрын
Great video once again. This should tie me over till I get the book myself.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Nice! Yeah, I think you'll like the book when you do get it. It's a fun read!
@gingerJay
@gingerJay 11 ай бұрын
notification squad assemble!
@JoshRead
@JoshRead 11 ай бұрын
for asgard!
@ThatSpeedrunnerGuy
@ThatSpeedrunnerGuy 11 ай бұрын
AHHHH!
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
You all are amazing!
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
@@JoshReadLOL...yes, for Asgard indeed!
@ThatSpeedrunnerGuy
@ThatSpeedrunnerGuy 11 ай бұрын
cant wait to check out the book, im 100% checking out the timeline book first but this will also a fun read
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I'm really stoked about the timeline book, but I was pretty pleased with this one as well.
@user-mf6ch2yt9r
@user-mf6ch2yt9r 11 ай бұрын
I was half expecting this book to be full of stupid jokes, just like the quotes heard in quantumania, but it seems to be actually be pretty good and a fun tie in to the mcu. I've not bought or read it myself but I enjoyed hearing parts of it in this video. It even includes information we never knew, such as Scott being conscious in his different age bodies
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I thought it was a pretty good book. I liked some parts better than others, but overall, I liked it alot. And yeah, some of the facts, like when he went into the different ages bodies, were really cool!
@Jansenbaker
@Jansenbaker 11 ай бұрын
Well, I actually think we did have that info already. When Scott was finally restored, before Bruce proclaimed, "Time Travel!" Scott said "I think I peed my pants... but I don't know of it was old me, or baby me."
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
@@JansenbakerGood point!
@lawznwdsc
@lawznwdsc 11 ай бұрын
Great video, this book was a fun insight on Scott view of many things. One character I hope we get introduced to especially in the multiverse sage is Captain Britain and the Captain Britain corp.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
I agree...I really hope they give us the Captain Britain corp. They teased it in Endgame, so it's time to deliver!
@lawznwdsc
@lawznwdsc 11 ай бұрын
@@AbitofEverything4U Yeah, hey it would be cool to have a MCU project that takes place in another timeline we're a avengers team form in the 60s,80s, or 90s. Also have you heard that the titles of the what if season 2 episodes are online?
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, season 2 looks like it's gonna be amazing!
@davidk06
@davidk06 11 ай бұрын
This is going to be interesting!
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Hope you liked it!
@danielurano6133
@danielurano6133 11 ай бұрын
Love your channel man! Hi from Brazil
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! I visited Brazil once...beautiful country!
@DarthTingleBinks
@DarthTingleBinks 7 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure Clint was A-OK with Scott revealing his identity. 1. I'm not sure it was ever secret, but 2. People know who Clint is in the Hawkeye show, and if he wasn't okay with it, he probably would've said something before the book was released.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 7 ай бұрын
Very true...I was just thinking about how protective he was of his family in both Age of Ultron and in Hawkeye. But perhaps he's fine with people knowing his name, as long as he can't be traced to them. And I do agree, he would have told Scott to keep his name out if it was important to him. Great feedback on the vid!
@roliv16
@roliv16 11 ай бұрын
Haven’t got it yet but can’t wait to read it
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's alot of fun. It's slow in a few spots, but overall is a really good read.
@Blazecap
@Blazecap 11 ай бұрын
I think it pretty cool if in thunderbolts yelena out of curiosity buys this book reads it and cries when she gets to Natasha’s death. Narratively it wouldn’t be needed(she already forgave Clint in the Hawkeye show) but it be a nice callback
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Oh wow...that would be incredible. I love that idea!
@squidlickersteven2733
@squidlickersteven2733 11 ай бұрын
Very in depth 😅 love it
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Thanks so much!
@danielmarshall677
@danielmarshall677 11 ай бұрын
I love watching your videos, keep it up
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Thanks so much. Really appreciate that!
@danielmarshall677
@danielmarshall677 11 ай бұрын
@@AbitofEverything4U no problem
@markdarc0448
@markdarc0448 11 ай бұрын
Great video, it adds some really interesting stuff to the mcu, I want to get this book and read it for myself after hearing all this. Now that this book is out I’m curious would you consider doing videos on The Wakanda Files and The Book of The Vishanti (not sure if the latter one is canon though) I’ve always been interested to know more about those because as far as I know they’re the only other two in universe books for the mcu. Also really underrated that they’re continuing to keep WHIH newsfront canon. I’ve had a lot of discussions lately with the new timeline book about how it supposedly confirms all the pre Disney plus shows aren’t canon because it says “everything” is in this book. WHIH is one of the leading factors I have to dismiss those claims, it’s on Disney plus, it’s said to be canon over and over again with little to no contradictions but yet it’s seemingly not in the timeline book (though it’s not released yet so I could be wrong). Frankly I think that “everything” line was just for marketing purposes and can’t possibly be accurate
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
I agree, I love those WHIH Newscasts. They were so much fun. Really glad they are on D+!
@mayo4660
@mayo4660 11 ай бұрын
When I first heard, that there would be a reallive version of Scott Langs book, I thought " What a cash grab" but I seems cooler now, thx
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I felt it had alot of cool stuff in it. I was pretty impressed, overall!
@Sman704
@Sman704 10 ай бұрын
As someone who goes with the October phone date (for now, I’m open to changing it depending on the book). Cassie’s birthday would fall on September 25th. Carson tells Cross he’ll be back in 2 weeks and the phone date says October 9th when he returns. The problem is this is a Friday, so doesn’t work with the school night line. It looks like whether you go with August or October, there’s an issue. It’ll be interesting to see what the book settles with. I always went with the phone date since it felt deliberate given it shows Friday October 9th which is after the movie’s release and not just a production date that made it through. Plus I felt certain scenes had more of a Fall feel. Like after Casie’s party the color in the leaves on the tree are changing and there’s dropped leaves around Scott’s van.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, it will be interesting to see which direction they go with the ending of the movie. I've always felt like the movie doesn't span 2.5 - 3 months (mid-July to early October) as it seems like it moves very quickly, but the school night line makes it even trickier to figure out the timeline as it doesn't work well in either August or October, as you point out. We'll find out soon, as the timeline book arrives in a few weeks! Thanks for watching the vid and sharing your feedback. Really appreciate it!
@Sman704
@Sman704 10 ай бұрын
I always saw it as Scott spending a couple months trying to get a job and get in a good place. I agree that after the opening scene with his release and Luis picking him up the movie moves quickly. Starting with the Baskin Robbins scene, the movie covers 2 weeks as this is the same day Carson tells Cross he’ll be back in two weeks. Right now I have Scott’s July 17th release (from WHIH). The movie then picks up September 25th and covers two weeks before Carson returns on October 9th. I feel like there can easily be a gap between his actual release and getting the job/getting fired at Baskin Robbins. Hopefully, the book makes it clear.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 10 ай бұрын
​@@Sman704Ah, I see what you are saying. Yeah, if there was a gap at the beginning of the movie while he was searching for jobs, that could explain it. The WHIH interviews are what made me think the movie was shorter. You can check them out under the extras portion of the Ant-Man movie. Darren mentions some big news coming "this summer" and he's being interviewed at the same time Scott is being released. But I'm not sure of those WHIH interviews are still considered canon, tbh. Anyway, thanks for explaining your timeline thoughts. Makes alot of sense. I could imagine the book going either way with the timeline. Really appreciate the conversation. Love to hear what fellow MCU timeline fans are thinking!
@mds_main
@mds_main 11 ай бұрын
It's always interesting when they do stuff like this. The Jurassic World franchise did something similar with a book describing Claire's past before the events of JW1. My favourite part is quotes on the back of the book. There is even Christine Everhart in there, which I think is a nod to WHIH Newsfront since they only interacted there and she was quite aggressive towards him at the time which makes her quote funnier 😂 I hope Marvel will put all WHIH Newsfront episodes on D+ in a dedicated section soon. EDIT: I just realized that in the same back cover they address Sam as Captain America, so the book must have came out after FaWS in universe.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Excellent point about Sam's endorsement...yes, that's one more clue as to when the book came out!
@vinhluu3950
@vinhluu3950 11 ай бұрын
I think they should do more in-universe book like this. Imagine a Star-Lord book
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
A star lord book would be incredible! Maybe they can do one now that he’s on earth?
@vinhluu3950
@vinhluu3950 11 ай бұрын
@@AbitofEverything4U it could cover the 4 years between Vol 2 and IW
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Right...that's a big gap that probably has lots of interesting stories!
@SuperCeleste007
@SuperCeleste007 11 ай бұрын
I think that MCU book that is about the history of the MCU will mention the original plan for the MCU back in 2004 before they got The Rights back to Iron Man in November 2005 The original plan was going to consist of 10 movies released from 2008 with some releasing 2 a year The original lineup of movies was going to conclude with an Avengers movie which is going to consist of the following in the order with some of these characters being in the order that their films would’ve been released other to clarify we only know that the first character who I’m about to mention movie would’ve originally been the first MCU movie but the original lineup for The Avengers would’ve consisted of Captain America, Nick Fury, Hawkeye, Black Panther, Doctor Strange, Ant-Man, Shang-Chi, Cloak & Dagger & Power Pack
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
That would be cool if it included all that. I wonder if they want to stick to the main MCU or not. But I agree, a history of what could have been would be fun to read!
@zedrang
@zedrang 11 ай бұрын
Damn, what a cool book, thanks for the breakdown
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Thanks...yeah, I enjoyed the book alot!
@gmjjjones
@gmjjjones 11 ай бұрын
It would be nice to see marvel do more like this. Instead of so many shows and movies, I'd love in-universe books or podcasts or even the in-universe avengers comics retelling the story of phase one
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
I agree...that would be very cool if they did more of this in the future. I'd totally be down for it!
@gmjjjones
@gmjjjones 11 ай бұрын
@AbitofEverything4U have you listened to the wolverine audio drama? It is excellent
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
@@gmjjjones No, not yet. But it sounds like it’s great, and I should check it out!
@gmjjjones
@gmjjjones 11 ай бұрын
@AbitofEverything4U I don't want to spoil anything about it, but I really enjoyed the way they play with the perspective and use dramatic irony to make the audience feel engaged with the narrator
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
​@@gmjjjonesNice...it does sound like a really good audio drama. Thanks for the suggestion!
@justice_productions_
@justice_productions_ 11 ай бұрын
I really wish we got to see Clint and Bruce taking Scott out to lunch lol
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yes, that would have been alot of fun to see!
@SuperCeleste007
@SuperCeleste007 11 ай бұрын
I really thought you were making out that like Yelena had no clue about Natasha‘s death until the book but then I realized oh yeah, I remember the fact that she had no clue Clint didn’t kill her, but she sacrificed herself
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Well said! You nailed it!
@CFunk99
@CFunk99 11 ай бұрын
I like to think that Scott _purposely_ made his explaination of the Time Heist confusing in his book just in case someone with the wrong idea would recreate the Time Machine from Avengers Endgame and create a whole mess of chaos. As he said in a Q&A in the book; "Q: Can you explain how the Time Heist worked?" "A: No, I cannot."
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
I love that...you may be right that Scott was being intentionally vague on how things worked. Nice call!
@gar279
@gar279 11 ай бұрын
Great breakdown
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Thanks so much!
@cedrickterrick
@cedrickterrick 11 ай бұрын
17:50 And that's exactly how they could bring back Steve anytime they want.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Ikr? Wouldn't that be wild!
@24_Bricks
@24_Bricks 10 ай бұрын
This sounds really interesting! Would love to win the contest and get it
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 10 ай бұрын
Best of luck!
@thunder6434
@thunder6434 11 ай бұрын
Something that I only just thought off about the blip while watching this video is that, if a zoo or farm of animals like ostriches were to shut down during the blip because of the poor economy, once the animals came back there would have been too much to deal with before they begin breeding, causing massive invasive populations in quickly-breeding animals throughout the world.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Great point...imagine if a zoo was shut down during 5 year blip and suddenly the lions, tigers and bears (oh my!) all returned with no cages. Yikes!
@rayputnam8172
@rayputnam8172 11 ай бұрын
At the beginning of endgame you can hear the birds slowly disappearing in the background during the scene with Hawkeye
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Oh wow! You’re right… Thanks for mentioning that!
@MasterDSuomi
@MasterDSuomi 11 ай бұрын
This was a good video. I will wait personally to read this until it comes to librarys in Finland.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
I think you'll enjoy the book when you do read it. And I'd love to visit Finland one day. I hear it's a beautiful country!
@MasterDSuomi
@MasterDSuomi 11 ай бұрын
@@AbitofEverything4U That is true. Finland is a really beautiful country
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Nice! So cool to hear from MCU fans from around the world!
@Herokalla
@Herokalla 8 ай бұрын
I'm ready for this video
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 8 ай бұрын
Hope you enjoyed the vid...I thought the Scott Lang book was alot of fun to read and I enjoyed making the vid!
@Herokalla
@Herokalla 8 ай бұрын
@@AbitofEverything4U I definitely think I should buy the timeline book but I haven't decided yet
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, the timeline book was pretty amazing. I did a long vid on it, if you want to learn how its laid out and what's in it. I'm really glad I got it. Marvel did a fantastic job with it!
@onftbb
@onftbb 11 ай бұрын
The MCU time travel has always been a ridiculous mess, but I think your understanding of it is the most accurate.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, they did indeed make it overly confusing. But I love the idea that time travel won't allow you to go back and re-write the past. Ms. Marvel was a closed loop generated by a magical bangle so it was a very special situation, but via the quantum realm you can't go back and re-write things. I wonder if the timeline book will finally make it all clear. We can only hope!
@Jansenbaker
@Jansenbaker 11 ай бұрын
​​​@@AbitofEverything4U What about the Time Stone (In What If) and The TVA? Those are controllable "Go to a specific point and explore" type of time travel. I think The Quantum Realm is the method for people that can't use those other things, and somehow Kang has more control of it to seemingly have power over events, if Hope's flashback is accurate. Edit: Just remembered the TVA is built by a Kang. But still, the Time-platform-looking things used in the Quantumania Post-credit scene point to technology that doesn't seem to require going through the Quantum realm, and the Yellow doors of the TVA don't act like going through the QR.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
@@Jansenbaker Yes, I think you are right...the method of time travel determines if you create a branch or not. I completely agree.
@Jansenbaker
@Jansenbaker 11 ай бұрын
@@AbitofEverything4U Oh rats, I got Janet and Hope mixed up.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
@@JansenbakerNo problem at all...I still followed your main point.
@isabelroberts2062
@isabelroberts2062 6 ай бұрын
you ever heard about the wakanda files? just like LOFTLG, it's a book that's in-universe. although this one is written by shuri. the book is a technological exploration of the avengers and beyond. some editions even have special pages that can only be read under blacklight! would love a vid on it if possible.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 6 ай бұрын
I agree...it might be fun to do a vid on that book. I read it awhile back and thought it was really cool!
@ryangarner7721
@ryangarner7721 9 ай бұрын
I’m just assuming “alternate timeline” means they are traveling there, and thus creating a TVA-approved branch (no dangerous versions of Kang/HWR/Loki SHOULD pop up or something like that idk). Because yes, a multiverse exists on the sacred timeline, but these were SO CLOSE to the sacred timeline, I think the alternate timelines were created by them being there if that works/makes sense.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 9 ай бұрын
Yeah, I agree...I think that could work. Good theory!
@jonahnichols1
@jonahnichols1 11 ай бұрын
Now that we have the book, I want the Ant-Man podcast that was referenced in Ms. Marvel, just put Paul Rudd into a recording studio and let him run wild as Scott!
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Totally need that...c'mon Marvel...give us that Podcast!
@angel0217
@angel0217 11 ай бұрын
It's so weird that the first piece of canon that acknowledges Sam Wilson as Captain America post-TFATWS it's this book about another character published more than two years after the series. Meanwhile no hint in the actual content of the movies and shows that Wilson is actively doing anything Captain America related.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Oh wow...that's a really good point! Can't wait for CA 4 to finally come out!
@isaacazocar3155
@isaacazocar3155 11 ай бұрын
Great video as always! I really enjoyed the breakdown! So, after doing some math, I believe the book to have been published in late-March 2025. If Clint and Bruce asked Scott to write in maybe late-November-early-December 2023, he'd begin writing right away and maybe be done by May-June 2024? Google says it's at minimum 9 months from the moment a book it's finished until its publication, so that would make sense. Then the book tour would start in mid-March 2025 and by early-May, where we see the book tour is "continuing"! Also, I do hope Ant-Man is set in October 2015...
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
I love your timeline for the writing, publishing and touring with the book. That makes alot of sense. As for Ant-Man, I admit that I like it better in the summer as it seems it only spanned a few weeks. But you've piqued my curiosity. What makes you hope for an October setting? And thank so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!
@xiongrey19
@xiongrey19 11 ай бұрын
I dont know how to fully reconcile everything we have heard about time travel in the MCU. So much is conflicting 😢. Best i understand(read:head canon until i hear more definitively): Each timeline can branch smaller timelines (a lá Superior Strange's timeline manipulation in What If) where there are certain immutable events pivotal to that timeline(s). If a branch becomes different enough and robust enough to start branching out more timelines then that branch becomes a Major Timeline. Possibly the with the Major Change that originally created that branch becoming immutable for that branch (because smaller branches depend on the major branch). So Superior Strange kept creating minor Branches and since none of them became a Major Branch they were all still mostly connected (enough for the Ancient One to utilize) and all dependant on the Lynchpin for that Major Branch: Christine's Death. So thats my theory: Until a branch is importantant enough to become a Major Branch, theyre still largely connected so the timelines the Avengers went to are likely new minor branches of 616 (maybe 616-a, 616-b, etc). And thats why multiverse hopping is so dangerous, each Major Branch has different Lynchpins. Anyway, thats how im interpreting it all untill we get more. Hopefully from Loki2.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
I really like that explanation… And I agree, Marvel has not really explained things very clearly. It almost seems like the Ant-man book made it a little more confusing… Even though it did clear up that they did not go into the past of their own timeline, so that was a win. Anyway, great theory… Thanks so much for sharing it!
@Nageto004
@Nageto004 11 ай бұрын
Wouldn't the book had to have been released prior to Hawkeye so that the general public would be aware of his presence at the Alt-2012 Battle of New York? Thus allowing the writer to add him in.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
I wondered about that...but considering that musicals have to be written and rehearsed well in advance, I'm going to assume that it was written in early 2024. So, whoever wrote that musical did it in consultation with the Avengers and thus heard stories about Ant-Man's role in the time heist well before the book came out. But that's just my fun head canon to explain how on earth Ant-man showed up in the musical.
@KrazyStylez09
@KrazyStylez09 11 ай бұрын
Steve went to the alternate timelines, put the stones back and then when to his own timeline to peggy instead of returning in 5 seconds , he had always had returned but in 1945.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
I do hope the timeline book answers that question once and for all. You are right, Scott doesn't touch on Captain America's time travel to see Peggy, so that is still left open to interpretation.
@brobs0463
@brobs0463 11 ай бұрын
I have a theory that when ‘time was pulled through Scott’ in endgame he was actually returned to the body of a younger version of himself. This is the only explanation for how Paul Rudd still looks so young 😁
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Niiiiiiice! That explains how it seems he drank from the fountain of youth!
@c_lettuce
@c_lettuce 11 ай бұрын
27:19 that part is actually so sad 😭
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
I know… That chapter really got me. It was very well written. It was a great way to honor Natasha‘s legacy!
@ariesthe12th
@ariesthe12th 11 ай бұрын
Since you can't reach the same timeline twice, how do you return the stones if you can't go back to the place you stole them from. Wouldn't you just be creating a new timeline where you returned the stones, leaving the timelines you took them from screwed? I honestly thought Tony's time/space GPS is what gave the Avengers the ability to slide across (616 or 19999) whatever. Ya know, just the one timeline. Lol I love that movie.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Great question. So my understanding is that you create a branch only if you go into the past. But if you jump to a timeline in the same timeframe where you last left it, then it doesn't branch. So, the Avengers were in October, 2023 and then jumped back to 2012/2013/2014/1970, creating several alternate timelines. They then jumped back to their home timeline in October, 2023. Later, Steve jumped back to the spots in the alternate 2012/2013/2014/1970 timelines right after the Avengers had taken the stones. He was able to return the stones at that point. He then jumped back to the 1940's and created a branch where he lived his life out. Then he jumped back to present day 2023 once again, seemingly doing it w/o needing to use the time platform in this case (likely he learned of some new tech in his branched timeline). That's how it seems to work. The only difference with how the book described it is that they weren't creating branches but were literally jumping to other timelines. But since both Loki and What If show that branching occurs when a new decision is made, I think Scott just described it in an odd fashion, but was still explaining branching. Anyway, just my take on it. Really hope the timeline book resolves it once and for all.
@luke2max
@luke2max 11 ай бұрын
I'm so close to getting this book it's a slow process I'm so busy 😂
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
I think you'll enjoy it!
@e-scope
@e-scope 11 ай бұрын
I will not rest until we get a Paul Rudd audiobook
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Wait...so watching my video about the book isn't as good as an actual audio book? Well, now that I wrote that out, I know my answer. Hopefully we get the audiobook soon!
@timtyson3910
@timtyson3910 11 ай бұрын
I'm kinda surprised he didn't give any perspective from the people who got dusted, would of been interesting
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Interesting...I hadn't thought of that, but yeah, it would be pretty cool. In a way, we got that experience with Yelena, which was the first time we saw someone vanish and then re-appear. I loved that scene in Hawkeye. So well done. But I agree, to have someone really talk about how it felt would be cool!
@biggestnerdalive8476
@biggestnerdalive8476 11 ай бұрын
I hope there is an audiobook version
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
I agree...we really need an audio version!
@captainjakemerica4579
@captainjakemerica4579 11 ай бұрын
Both the MCU lore and Scott Lang's self help sounds interesting
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, it was a very fun book to read!
@captainjakemerica4579
@captainjakemerica4579 11 ай бұрын
Well I placed a hold on it might local library can't wait to read it hopefully I get to read it pretty quickly
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Fantastic!
@theorycraftingmachine2876
@theorycraftingmachine2876 11 ай бұрын
This makes me think that Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania takes place in October 2026, so that means Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 which is during August 2026 happens before!
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yes, I do have to wonder if making Cassie's b-day in October will move QM. However, the biggest timeline hint in QM is that at that book reading, we see July 24th on the posters. So even if her b-day is in October, QM might still work in July as Scott was celebrating her b-day in the epilogue to make up for the missed b-days. So it wasn't her actual b-day in the movie. Definitely alot to consider for that movie's placement!
@matthewk122
@matthewk122 11 ай бұрын
Hope they make agent of shield canon
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I get worried alot about that. Would be great if Feige would give us the official word one way or another on that!
@oldmangrizzz
@oldmangrizzz 11 ай бұрын
pre video watching comment: I'm not sure which I'm more stoked for..… more paul rudd brilliance, more scott lang brilliance, or both tbh 😁🤣#defwannaread
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Agreed...both are good reasons to read the book!
@natsohigh5552
@natsohigh5552 11 ай бұрын
I still think things like social media would have still been up and running during the 5 year blip. So the Endgame battle could still have been witnessed by civilians and their accounts spread online. Leading to people like Kamala becoming fangirls/boys of some of the heroes.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, I would agree that social media would still be around even during the blip. But I suspect no one recorded the battle as it happened at Avengers HQ which seemed to be off the beaten path and it happened so suddenly. So if someone had been nearby, they might have recorded it, but I suspect they didn't have a chance as it happened so quickly. Also with all the carnage of the battle, it would have been very dangerous to record it, most likely. So I suspect that's why Hulk and Hawkeye asked Scott to write the book. But just my theories on it. Anyway, really appreciate you watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Thanks so much!
@jasonreidy6893
@jasonreidy6893 11 ай бұрын
I wonder if in the timeline book will they mention when Scott was asked to write the book and when he wrote it
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
I really hope so. That would be very cool if they do that!
@KrazyStylez09
@KrazyStylez09 11 ай бұрын
I think you can jump into your own time, thats what kang does , goes back in time not jump to other timelines. Tony didnt want to change things because of morgan. It would change like days of future past. Suddenly they would have returned to 2023 where there might be 2023 versions of them that never went back in time to save time. And everyone else wouldnt have blipped for 5 years. They wouldnt be able to go back to their past 2023. The past becomes present and the future becomes past.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yup, I do agree that I feel Kang can jump backwards in time w/o creating a branch, as he has very advanced tech. But I don't think the Avengers could do it via the quantum realm. That's why Hulk gave his speech about it being impossible to change the past. Instead, by going into the past via the quantum realm it then creates a branched timeline. It's similar to the branching we saw in Loki via the nexus events and in What If when a new decision is made. At least that what it seems like. I do hope the timeline book will really nail it all down once and for all.
@lakuseq
@lakuseq 11 ай бұрын
35:02 I wonder how would your channel look like in the MCU. Do you post videos like: "When does The Battle of Earth happen in the Real Life Timeline?"?
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
LOL...now that would be fun to see!
@icedog1588
@icedog1588 11 ай бұрын
Does Scott say anything about the Guardians in this book? I’d imagine he’d comment on Nebula calling him an idiot in the landing zone and Rocket asking if he wants to go to space!
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Good question...surprisingly he doesn't discuss them. I am surprised in hindsight that he didn't mention them, but he did seem more focused on the time heist itself and not on the conversations beforehand.
@InjusticeJosh
@InjusticeJosh 11 ай бұрын
If there’s not a mention of his podcast or an interview from that podcast in the book that’s a real shame.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Sadly, no mention of the podcast...but I suspect he started that up after the success of the book. We know it was out there before Ms. Marvel's show, but not sure when it started. Maybe the timeline book will tell us for sure!
@SuperCeleste007
@SuperCeleste007 11 ай бұрын
Somethings going to happen to big green soon about his monster self from the Pass coming back
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yep...I agree!
@Celebok
@Celebok 11 ай бұрын
Maybe Dr. Strange skimmed the book while astral-projecting himself in his sleep.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
LOL! Yep, I can totally see that happening.
@omas1178
@omas1178 11 ай бұрын
do we know what exact day endgame takes place? Because we're coming up to that date soon
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
The wiki places Hulk's snap on October 17th, 2023. So we're getting very close to everyone coming home!
@WeldoYT
@WeldoYT 11 ай бұрын
heard decent things about this book
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's not going to win any Pulitzer prizes, but I thought it was a very fun read!
@marvelsubmarine
@marvelsubmarine 11 ай бұрын
22:24 I dont mean to overstep, I love your work, but I think that is what he meant. I got the book but haven't read it yet. I made a video on tiktok about Tony's bday discrepancy, that's what's missing from your timeline. You thought it was an error in your other video, but it wasn't . This explains his confusion in Endgame with his mom's pregnancy.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Interesting...The reason I was thinking he was born 5/29/1970 is due to the Avengers deleted scene that shows his birthday. So it therefore seemed Endgame was correct and IM 3 wasn't. What year are you thinking he was born? Thanks so much for bringing this up. I really appreciate it!
@marvelsubmarine
@marvelsubmarine 10 ай бұрын
@@AbitofEverything4U i have been trying to figure that out for the longest time and have no concrete timeframe. I'm not caught up on your videos yet so if you've answered this , please disregard. But would you consider that the movies may not have occured in the same timeline - or time frame?
@marvelsubmarine
@marvelsubmarine 10 ай бұрын
for example, the Russos said Cap created a branch timeline by staying with Peggy...so Civil War and Winter Soldier cannot be part of the regular continuity. in Multiverse of Madness we learn dreams are us living our multiversal lives right? So is it possible the Tony we meet in the beginning of Infinity war who just had a "dream" about Morgan a different Tony? and then...theres Phase 4....Shang Chi and Cap 1 are not in the same timeline.
@marvelsubmarine
@marvelsubmarine 10 ай бұрын
i get REALLY nerdy with thtis kind of stuff, apologies for how long this is, but there are signiificant time disparities that might be explained by the timeline it's in .
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 10 ай бұрын
​@@marvelsubmarineYou definitely don't need to apologize for being too nerdy on this YT channel. I am a total nerd, so I love hearing all these ideas. I will say that in general, I think Feige's strategy is to make stories as straight-forward as possible. Not that he doesn't like mysteries, but he doesn't want them to be too complicated. So I would be surprised if the main MCU movies aren't all on the same timeline. In fact, with the new timeline book coming out, it seems to be confirming that. However, I do think we will start to see this change as we go further into Phase 5. I am still wondering if the end of Quantumania has some timeline strangeness going on, but I suspect that we may start seeing things happening in other universes, so that in Secret Wars they can all come together for Battleworld. Anyway, long answer, but my guess is that everything up to this point is all in the main 616, other than Steve traveling to a new timeline in Endgame and potentially Scott Lang coming back to a new timeline after Quantumania. Let me know what you think. Thanks for the awesome dialogue on this. Love it!
@jalengy7629
@jalengy7629 11 ай бұрын
Kate knows who Hawkeye is in Hawkeye so I think it’s out there now just not the location of his home and stuff like that
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Good point! Yeah, perhaps it was dumped to the internet as a result of the end of Winter Soldier?
@jalengy7629
@jalengy7629 11 ай бұрын
@@AbitofEverything4U that makes it make more sense to me, but winter soldier is before age of ultron and that’s when we find out about him having a house off the records so I just hope that that happened after winter soldier. Which I think it did and is mentioned if I remember correctly.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
@@jalengy7629 yeah, I wonder if his house was not even on the SHIELD files… As we learned in secret invasion, fury actually had things they were even off the SHIELD books. So hopefully, Hawkeye’s secret address was not dumped to the Internet as a result of Winter soldier.
@jfdrive
@jfdrive 11 ай бұрын
But wouldn't the avengers going back in time and "branching" their own timelines by being there just create an alternate timeline in that point forward? In that way both the Russos and the writers would be correct. So Scott and the gang would go back to their own timeline which would become paralel to their original timeline at the point they arrived.
@lucagz6481
@lucagz6481 11 ай бұрын
I don't think you automatically create a branch by arriving in the past (or the future). You need to create a variation of some sort. If it's something little, you can basically create a little strand in the flow of time that carries on. If you create a relevant variation, you will potentially create a Branch.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yes, I think what you described is exactly what happened. And for most of the time lines, they were clipped when Steve returned the stones… But by going back to the 1940s and creating a new timeline he was able to live his life out of that. That’s basically what the Russo’s are describing. Marcus and McFeely feel that Steve was able to go back into the main 616 timeline and live out his life there. That’s what I don’t agree with. Hopefully they’ll give us a special presentation at some point that shows how he returns of the stones, and then we will have our answers. Anyway, excellent commentary. Thank you so much for watching the video and leaving your thoughts!
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
@@lucagz6481 I guess in my mind, it seems next to impossible to make any change, no matter how small. It doesn’t have to be a big change to still result in a massive ripple effect. The farther back in time you go, the simplest change could have massive repercussions. So I think the only way Hulk’s statement can be true is if you simply can’t go into your own past. But that’s just my interpretation… I realize not everyone agrees with that. It would be great if the timeline book answered it once, and for all. Fingers crossed!
@TheDukeCountyGaBoy01
@TheDukeCountyGaBoy01 11 ай бұрын
The ants took it 😂😂 the picture
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Those are some smart ants!
@TheDukeCountyGaBoy01
@TheDukeCountyGaBoy01 11 ай бұрын
@@AbitofEverything4U Hank pym must of trained them well
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Indeed he did!
@anaandrade1073
@anaandrade1073 11 ай бұрын
If the book is published in early 2025, does that mean the podcast mentioned in Ms Marvel came after? It would make sense.
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Great point...yes, I suspect that after the success of the book that Scott started to do podcasts as well. Nice call!
@Gapy66
@Gapy66 11 ай бұрын
Are you gonna breakdown the art book for spider verse
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
That's a cool idea. I may need to do that!
@SuperCeleste007
@SuperCeleste007 11 ай бұрын
But technically, also, the Avengers knew she died after Clint came back alone
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Good point...yes, the Avengers knew for sure. I'm glad that after the book came out, the rest of the world knows of her sacrifice as well!
@SuperCeleste007
@SuperCeleste007 11 ай бұрын
So I believe that they asked Scott to write it in November 2023
@AbitofEverything4U
@AbitofEverything4U 11 ай бұрын
Yep, I think that's a very good assumption!
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