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SDG Electronics

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Investigation into various linear LED drivers ranging from simple resistor based driver to LM317, transistor and precision Op-Amp based constant current LED drivers.
Equipment Used:
Fluke 179 DMM
Fluke 289 DMM
Fluke 87V DMM
Instek GPS-3303 PSU #ElectronicsCreators

Пікірлер: 69
@davidharms3562
@davidharms3562 Жыл бұрын
This is a fantastic video! I appreciate you giving several circuit examples, and also walking the viewer through each calculation/ equation. Incredibly helpful! Thanks!
@Reuben1024
@Reuben1024 8 жыл бұрын
really enjoyed this - no annoying excessive "showmanship" that can blight some youtube channels; factual and engaging with example circuits demonstrated. Great!!
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 8 жыл бұрын
+RDH1024 Thanks a lot :)
@jerkovicbrate
@jerkovicbrate 8 жыл бұрын
The best video for LED driving. Thanks!
@endastlur4788
@endastlur4788 7 жыл бұрын
Realy nice vid with an "easy to understand" level of in-depth explaining of the function in the different circuits. The prectical testing and showing on the board with hooked up instruments was a charm to watch. Thank you.
@apeterson23
@apeterson23 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! Learning a lot from your channel.
@krzysztofk1274
@krzysztofk1274 7 жыл бұрын
Best Video .... thank you Super film teoria + praktyka i wszystko jasno i przejrzyście
@proyectosledar
@proyectosledar 9 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Steve. thanks!!!
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 9 жыл бұрын
Proyectos LED Thanks Gaston!
@HitAndMissLab
@HitAndMissLab 9 жыл бұрын
Brilliant, it helped me so much. So well explained, no fluff, only useful details. But if you want more visitors you need to dumb it down and spice it up.
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 9 жыл бұрын
+HitAndMissLab Thanks!
@ami6packs
@ami6packs 4 жыл бұрын
Best Video on Led Driving.
@meowcula
@meowcula 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you! most instructive.
@dwDragon88
@dwDragon88 9 жыл бұрын
Great video. And I'm looking forward to the clock project and seeing more done with the GPS unit!
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 9 жыл бұрын
dwDragon88 Thanks, I'll get the clock project under way as soon as possible.
@robertcalkjr.8325
@robertcalkjr.8325 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steve.
@andymouse
@andymouse 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic tutorial.
@DanielRowe
@DanielRowe 9 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Thanks.
@thelastofthemartians
@thelastofthemartians 9 жыл бұрын
Excellent coverage...well done! I'd be interested to see how these techniques compare to using a JFET as a constant current source.
@chiraagbohra
@chiraagbohra 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@MegaInformazione
@MegaInformazione 6 жыл бұрын
Very usefull. Thanks!
@fieldsofomagh
@fieldsofomagh 9 жыл бұрын
Great detail and info
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 9 жыл бұрын
Tom OConnor Thanks!
@markusherrmann9681
@markusherrmann9681 9 жыл бұрын
Very good video. I'm looking for your upcoming projects. Very interesting.
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 9 жыл бұрын
Markus Herrmann Thanks!
@microlab8
@microlab8 9 жыл бұрын
Tip. If you want to roughly determine the forward voltage of unknown LED (no datasheet) without CC source you can assume lowest voltage - 2 V, put a resistor to drive it to about 5-10 mA, measure the LED forward voltage and use this voltage for your final calculations. The Vfw with 10 mA and 100mA will be pretty close, at least close enough for rough calculations of a resistor drive. Taking the datasheet forward voltage won't help you much because it'll vary from LED to LED and with temperature.
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 9 жыл бұрын
Microlab Good tip!
@ATLaboratory
@ATLaboratory 7 жыл бұрын
Great video, as all your vidos in your YT channel!!! :D do you plan to do some video on basic switching mode LED driver? Like somthing with or without specific IC?
@talhamehboob4720
@talhamehboob4720 4 жыл бұрын
This is excellent work. Thank You so much. I have a question, I am working on a project which involved about 12 LEDs in series and the current requirements are about 6A in stable position and about 12-15A at the starting point, which is way more than the current requirements in this video which is merely 250 mA. So, what do you suggest which Linear circuit i should be using ? Would the OP AMP circuit work for me if i adjust the Vref and Rsense to generate 6A of constant current or would it cause more than bearable heating effects ? Any help is really appreciated. Thank You.
@KennethTanFotografie
@KennethTanFotografie 6 жыл бұрын
Loved your article. It's a few years later now. There are COB leds on the market that are 100W and 200W. How could I drive those with a CC and be able to dim them? Maybe a topic for a new video?
@jhonnyginting8985
@jhonnyginting8985 5 жыл бұрын
Dimming them with pwm bro
@MrRHenares
@MrRHenares 8 жыл бұрын
Very nice. Any chance you could do a follow up video explaining the challenges of driving the opamp cc circuit directly through pwm? You hinted not going all the way down to off to get faster response times. Could you expand on that? Thanks!
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 8 жыл бұрын
I'll see what I can in a future video. Thanks
@SuperBrainAK
@SuperBrainAK 8 жыл бұрын
great tutorial, I am currently using an LM317 on the base of a transistor with its emitter on a 1ohn resistor, this allows me to set a regulated voltage over the base and resistor (with a 1.2v drop using standard diodes so it can be set to 0mA) that I can easily adjust to set the current through the collector. I have even gone so far as to make it into a current source using an LM337 and PNP transistor. what are your thoughts on this type of regulator? I know vB-E is not constant but it does the job fairly well for what I do (slowly charging Li-ion cells from near 0v) I would appreciate your feedback thanks, will have a video of my inverted version up in a couple of days (before I was just using a 5v reg and voltage divider) ... wait this is the same as your dual transistor version is it not? what exactly does the small transistor do then? as the voltage at the collector stops the base current flow.
@FAIZANKHAN-ug4xr
@FAIZANKHAN-ug4xr 6 жыл бұрын
Hello Sir, Your videos are very helpful. I have a question, How can i make my boost converter which is a constant Voltage Source to Constant current Source boost converter?
@gnomishworks
@gnomishworks 9 жыл бұрын
Great video! Keep up the good work. I have a question about 7 Segment displays. On a Common Anode 7 Segment display the number of segments varies from 0 to 8 including the decimal point on each Anode (Digit). Based on my understanding of the unit I have each segment LED drops 2v and is up to 25mA. Therefore in a 4 digit display the load can vary from 0mA to 800mA. Also you are switching the load around 240 times a second minimum (240 / 4 digits = 60hz). It gets worst if you try and drive 8 digits. My question is.. Which way would you drive this setup to ensure each segment never receives more than say 20mA given that the Common Anodes would have to use a PNP BJT or Pchannel Mosfet on the high side?
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 9 жыл бұрын
gnomishworks Hi, the same rules apply. You need to limit the current for each LED or each series string of LEDs. If you have a common anode display, you'd put your current limiting device on the cathodes and if you have a common cathode display you'd put your current limiting device on the anodes. The current limiting device can be one of the types explained in this video. The transistor on the common anode or common cathode is purely enabling/disabling that digit and shouldn't have any effect.
@BeaWaves
@BeaWaves 2 жыл бұрын
Helpful, Please what is the maximum current OP-AMP linear Current Source can drive without dissipating much heat?
@adilmalik7066
@adilmalik7066 9 жыл бұрын
nice work! very informative. Can you make a possible future video covering frequency compensation for opamps? I like you opamp current source and i was doing something similar a few days ago using a NPN transistor. What i noticed was that if i plug in my Load to the current source, the load saw the full positive voltage rail for about 20us until current regulation kicked in. Is this normal and/or acceptable? If not what can u do to improve this?
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 9 жыл бұрын
Adil Malim Depending on your design this is a likely characteristic and may affect your transient response. The easiest thing to do is assess the circuit under no load conditions as this will give you a clue as to why it supplies full supply voltage to your load. You may need to look for an op-amp with higher slew rate, but beware of the circuit oscillating. I'll try to cover some detail in a future video. Thanks
@amratsingh5206
@amratsingh5206 4 жыл бұрын
In the last circuit, can I PWM the vref from the micro controller at 3khz frequency, will the circuit keep up with roll off set at 1.5khz?
@power-max
@power-max 9 жыл бұрын
Wondent linear regulators also be more economical when the LED draws so little current, that the quiescent current of a switching buck becomes a significant factor in the efficiency? I guess this is assuming that buck regulators have higher quiescent current than linear... I suppose in that case a really high value resistor would be best.
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 9 жыл бұрын
Power Max Absolutely. In most circumstances, a typical DC-DC is only going to benefit for mid-power LEDs and above.
@yarindam
@yarindam 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Steve, thank you for your lucid explanation of the circuits. I have a question. When would it not be appropriate to use a opamp based current source to run 20 watt LEDs over a dc-dc constant current circuit with inductor
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 4 жыл бұрын
Usually when the efficiency becomes too low and the heat dissipation becomes a problem you'd use a DC-DC converter instead
@yarindam
@yarindam 4 жыл бұрын
@@sdgelectronics thank you so much.
@juliusvalentinas
@juliusvalentinas 6 жыл бұрын
So you can PWM drive LM317? Any examples? I would like to drive LM338 using arduino to change led brightness and avoid having pot on 338 circuit. That is because the pot has to be wire wound else it dies, and these are expensive. Also digital control is way better.
@noyamaster
@noyamaster 8 жыл бұрын
Hi this is a very clear and great Video ! one question that I have is, For the example 2, if I have a series of LED that I want to use, lets say 3 LEDs, with your example 3.3 v, that means that the voltage that I need after the resistor is going to be 9.9 V ?
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 8 жыл бұрын
Yes that's right
@noyamaster
@noyamaster 8 жыл бұрын
+SDG Electronics thnaks for the quick response. Can I use a dimmer with this configuration ?
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 8 жыл бұрын
***** The best thing would be to use a PWM controller. You can get these very cheaply on eBay and the likes.
@HitAndMissLab
@HitAndMissLab 9 жыл бұрын
Can you possibly remember what were the Rgate, R, C, Rsense values you used. And what was the MOSFET and op-amp, and Vcc and Vref? I want to learn from this circuit and it would help my confidence if I started from something that works.
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 9 жыл бұрын
+HitAndMissLab Hi, sorry I missed your comment before. I'll take a look at my notes when I get chance and let you know.
@Roy_Tellason
@Roy_Tellason 4 жыл бұрын
@@sdgelectronics I too would like this information, since you don't mention values in the video.
@microlab8
@microlab8 9 жыл бұрын
About the last schematic. I've had hard times stabilizing opamp current source. It's stable on the DMM, but when I probe with the scope it is quite noisy. Precision current source without stability is useless. I would like to see a video with using different opamps and different methods of smoothing the current. From "scullcom electronics" channel I got a response that I should use high slew rate (is that the same as high frequency opamp?). I haven't tried that yet. So you can add this somewhere in the list of video ideas.
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 9 жыл бұрын
Microlab Ok, I'll see if I can think of how to present such a topic. A high slew rate op-amp may exacerbate the issue - it really depends on the circuit in question. Really you need to analyse the poles and zeros in the circuit to determine the stability of the circuit overall - this will tell you what you need to compensate.
@microlab8
@microlab8 9 жыл бұрын
If you make a video (or series of videos) of such analysis they will go straight into my favorites.
@dreiundelfzig6452
@dreiundelfzig6452 3 жыл бұрын
Regarding 4th proposal: What exactly would be the requirements of such a driving op-amp? Especially when lower currents downto 200µA are desired? Have you got an go to IC? When simulating with the LM324 for example, I really only get garbage...
@kennmossman8701
@kennmossman8701 3 жыл бұрын
try a JFET op-amp or high-impedance op-amp
@pavlou14
@pavlou14 8 жыл бұрын
Hello, i bought recently 100 pcs of 3w led neutral white. And i am wondering how to make a driver (dimmable) but also a power supply for about 120W, about 40 leds. Thank you.
@noyamaster
@noyamaster 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Pavlou14 I need to do the same, did you came out with the solution ?
@pavlou14
@pavlou14 8 жыл бұрын
hello, yes i manage to make something that it is working well. What is your problem?
@2awesome292
@2awesome292 8 жыл бұрын
Which method is the most efficient dimmable led driver circuit?
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 8 жыл бұрын
+2Awesome The switched mode constant current driver. I have a video coming soon which shows how to implement this circuit.
@2awesome292
@2awesome292 8 жыл бұрын
SDG Electronics hmm, when? How come 99% of the info i find ends up being PWM or linear?
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 8 жыл бұрын
2Awesome Those are the only two topologies for dimming LEDs, unless I misunderstood. If your driver isn't using a linear driver, by definition it must use a PWM controller.
@2awesome292
@2awesome292 8 жыл бұрын
SDG Electronics Well I guess more of the nondimmable linear drivers that are like max 70% efficient(unless very close voltage). I was/am trying to find more info on the dimmable constant current driver rather than PWM or simple linear drivers that are just a resistor in series with the led
@RicardoPenders
@RicardoPenders 4 жыл бұрын
I use the LM317 (NOT IN CONSTANT CURRENT MODE) to drive my LEDs and a computer fan together, the LEDs however have a joule thief in between the power supply and the LEDs and I'm doing that for a long time without any issues, that's why I don't get it why the LM317 is used in constant current mode to drive some LEDs... You'll lose the function of the variable voltage which is the reason that I built the variable voltage regulator with the LM317 in the first place and also the ability to drive multiple loads at the same time where one device needs a bit more voltage than the other so why would you change that to a constant current driver?
@kennmossman8701
@kennmossman8701 4 жыл бұрын
joule theif is not very efficient and gives low current
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