I think he's assuming a similar skill set among players - so, can Secret Hitler identify one team which is slightly better than another team? no. But, can Secret Hitler identify one team which is hugely better than another team? yes, of course, a skilled team is always going to beat noobs. I do agree that Avalon is very deterministic - if you remember all the votes and cards, you can identify everyone.

It largely comes down to acting. Especially in convincing noobs. Balancing making a good, sound case without sounding phoney.

the rules/game is simple enough you could recreate it using index cards and some cardboard, if you're really desperate. the only trick is finding friends. Try to do it, it's one of my favorite games to play with friends, with strangers, with experienced gamers, and people who don't play many board games at all. it really is a fantastic game.

Secrethitler.io you can register and play. Warning though that players there are HIGHLY competitive. Make one wrong move and you might be accused of throwing game.

I went to a camp and we had like 7-8 people play including some councillors and we all had a blast, We played 3 games and 2 games fascists won and 1 game where the liberals won. This is a must play board game!

also you need 7+ if you want the fascists to be secret from Hitler which imo would be more fun

If you killed 2 liberals, you don't have to vote against the combo. The fascists have a majority, so just elect yourself. Why risk the upturn?

the roles are neat, and fit in for a game like salem (or werewolf) but i don't think they would add to secret hitler.

im not saying they would it was just an example of another good role game

He said he doesn't like Werewolf.

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I'm pretty sure it is. It is exactly how he talks and sounds.

Ryan N it seems to me that having 12 fascist cards created too many circumstances where liberals were forced to draw hands of 3 fascist policies and started suspecting each other incorrectly all the time. By bumping it down to 11 total, that began to happen less often and a better balance was found.

Yeah, the guy's reasoning in the talk was just "I played with 12 and it was bad" and we have no idea if this was extensive playtesting or just a game or two. I feel like there's a real mathematical explanation, and would like to know what it is!

I've got a good guess. With 6:12, then you have 6 full rounds before re-shuffling AND that means all cards are drawn, which makes it way harder for fascists to lie about the card count. With 6:11, that means you can only play 5 rounds before re-shuffling AND two cards aren't drawn, so it leaves some doubt. Were those last two cards really both liberal and everyone had been telling the truth? Or were they both fascist and we've all been horribly lied to? It basically makes it so that you have to find the fascists in other ways besides just keeping track of what cards were claimed by who - which is more fun, IMO.

Good thinking. I wonder if that card-counting thing occurred in their playtests. Maybe there are multiple reasons, too.

Mr. Wakefield they do now

Are you talking about among us?

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Link ?

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It is not literally a copy of that whatsoever. Did you play the game?

its totally different. much better than warewolf actually..

@@jordandwiggins1026 he is that one guy who thinks every social deduction game with a traitor mechanic is a copy from werewolf lmao, let alone the fact that this is better too.

No not really just don't like it when developers of games I like show such an ideological bias to compare Trump to Hitler (secret Hitler, Secret Trump). Kinda ruins my expectation for providers of a service to remain neutral on most things

Sam Roper at what point are people supposed to stop expressing opinions? As soon as they make or publish a thing? Even if that thing has explicitly political overtones? also, that is an exceptionally strange expectation

Not really how is it strange? Also if you think the political views of hitler could be held in the public sphere without consequence you are sorely mistaken. I'd prefer it if producers of products didn't try to alienate people by showing a preference for either side of the political spectrum.

Sam Roper i usually agree that non-political should avoid politics (it's just tacky), but comparing trump to hitler is stupid. hitler had principles.

TweEkc, when they have a stage given to them for an unrelated reason to the political discussion.

The most important part was that he hangs out at the Cards Against Humanity office. Marketing is more important than the product sometimes, this is one of the cases.

this definitely is, because the product is a rip-off

Eh, its not a rip off. We took many of the mechanics and made some changes to make what we thought was a more fun game. Don Eskridge has played it with us and is fine with it, so I feel pretty good about it.

Come on Michael don't take these comments seriously, we're just shooting the shit.

Just because something's derivative doesn't mean that it lacks merit, or doesn't stand on it's own. Cards Against Humanity is derivative of Apples to Apples, but both games give completely different experiences when you play them. It's easy to steal ideas, but really difficult to steal them in a way that captures, transforms, or improves upon the magic of the original. Like, there's the GDC lecture The Importance of Nothing where Jim Brown talks about how successful the original Unreal Tournament multiplayer map Facing Worlds was, but then details how every attempt to recreate the map in sequels always ended up sucking and lacking what was fun about the original map - and they were the ones who had the idea in the first place. It takes creativity and vision to look at an already established game, pick out what works and what can be tweak and improved and reframed into a better game. Even aesthetic changes are important; the stakes of getting into a bureaucratic fight against Hitler is much more higher than some abstract fantasy or sci-fi world.

Do you have any other socials? I'm interested in your concept, but I kind of despise instagram :)