Seeing is not Believing - Ali Dawah vs Agnostic | Speakers Corner Part 2

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Abu Zarrar

Abu Zarrar

7 жыл бұрын

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Part 2 of the disscussion between Ali Dawah & Agnostics.
Part 1 • Seeing is not Believin...

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@user-ee6vs2vm1n
@user-ee6vs2vm1n 7 жыл бұрын
Is there a continuation for this? It's an interesting conversation Thank you
@duniabhy3199
@duniabhy3199 7 жыл бұрын
Tissue HAS a designer! Ya'll need to watch more "how it's made"!
@steevencoogan8754
@steevencoogan8754 7 жыл бұрын
LOL the beanie guy I have no knowledge. Yes right because you reject the fact that your mind can make sense of it.
@beefie1976
@beefie1976 7 жыл бұрын
Ali simple reasoning 19:54 if there was more than one God there would be chaos. so they has to be one God . Like there is no chaos in this world
@saidaberka3114
@saidaberka3114 7 жыл бұрын
I think the answer to the agnostic was that Allah is the God of all creation whether this world or others so in that case, his question would be unvalid. I believe he thinks Allah is the God of only the world we live in
@fellowcruz
@fellowcruz 7 жыл бұрын
Saida Berka Just stating that Allah is basically creator of all creation doesn't help. You have to prove it in some way. We don't know Allah in any way apart from constructing His existence purely by logic. Just saying that it says in Quran also doesn't help as we first have to prove His attributes, then go into His revelation otherwise it will be circular reasoning. All we know is that there is this creation - and max we can say that there may be a creator for this. We can't say anything apart from that. There very well can be other creations created by other un -created Gods we have no knowledge of. Logically you have to agree with that possibility.
@richardschroepfer5357
@richardschroepfer5357 7 жыл бұрын
Clearly allah is not the God of the Bible. We Christans & muslims worship diffrent gods. Ours is the Creator of the Universe, your is a wimp. The way to the Father is through the Son. The Holy Trininty is three persons in One God, Why is that so hard to understand? Why would allah have a sex fiend, a thief, a murderer as his holy prophet? What kind of a god is that? Not one I'd respect.
@KharismaAnkh
@KharismaAnkh 7 жыл бұрын
i thought jay smith already going back to america..... guess not
@fellowcruz
@fellowcruz 7 жыл бұрын
I can see Ali Dawah carefully avoiding a good question that 'logically' one can conclude that there could be more than 1 God/Allah. The agnostic guy was saying we can't use the laws and logic of this universe to prove anything which goes on in the realm where God exist as it is claimed to be outside the known world - where God can exist without having a creator Himself. That world follows no laws/logic of this world so saying if there are 2 Gods it would be chaos. That law is from this world, and you really can't use it in realm outside known universe as we don't know about anything of that realm and can't even claim to know about it. He didn't had any answer to it so he moved on to the other topic about proving quran is true or not.
@hamedkakar1411
@hamedkakar1411 7 жыл бұрын
Fee Crux to be God you need characteristics and attributes that are unique to god and no one other than god can have those attributes or characteristics. For example god is All Powerful. If god wasn't all powerful then he can't be god. If there were two God's how can they both be all powerful? For two entities to be all powerful is an impossibility as one has to be more powerful than the other. Then you pose the question which one is more powerful? So there always has to be that one uncreated creator who is all powerful and all knowledgable who is God. There can never be more than one as logic then disappears.
@fellowcruz
@fellowcruz 7 жыл бұрын
Hamed Kakar that's a totally false argument. God is defined to be all powerful only by reasoning that a creator of something has to be more powerful than the thing he/she has created based on human logic. So at the very least He's supposed to be 'More' powerful than His creation. He doesn't need to be 'All' powerful. By the way, even the above statement is not logically true and has holes in it. Human beings are not more powerful than the things we create. We can't fly ourselves but our airplanes can fly. Our cameras see 360 degree see in dark, we can't etc. But I'm happy to ignore the logic of God being All powerful based on human logic n reasoning. Your argument false apart on the grounds exposed by the agnostic that- in the realm where an entity can exist without being created (which is an impossibility in our universe) you can have other impossibilities. We can't assume any laws or logic of ours in that world at all. It could be full of impossibilities and hence can have presence of two or more Gods both being 'more' powerful than their individual creations. I'll end with - that's the problem with explaining God's existence with purely logic devoid of any factual knowledge of Him. You can prove him by logic n also disprove Him by that. There are very few things in this world we 'know' exist purely by logic,mostly there are some facts associated with them for them to be universally accepted that they exist.
@rafeedafnan7944
@rafeedafnan7944 6 жыл бұрын
Being more powerful than everything else naturally means Most powerful, and by logic there can only be 1 Most Powerful... the same applies to knowledge/truth and existence. Pure Logic doesn't necessarily prove something, it gives the probabilistic reasoning... as in to say this makes much more sense than anything else or that this is the only best possible explanation... and if we go against the best possible explanations/what makes more sense/consciousness then we'd just be lying to ourselves.. And beside simply using logic, Islam can actually be proved in more than one ways.. but probabilistic reasoning should suffice.. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bcphaaahvNaRn58.html
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