About a 1000 years ago there was a fight between the literalists , the lawyers , and the philosophers/theologians. The lawyers defended the literalists against the philosophers and won , at least they won in that they were the last standing and left in power. The law was given, who therefore needed *reason* to reflect upon it, all you need is obedience to it, forever. This is the difference between the west and Islam, the primacy of reason vs the primacy of will. This trap, requires reason to escape and denying the use of reason is the trap.

Mia Khalifa good luck!

this guy is saying that i have no education because i live in a third world country . i wonder in wich world he lives , because i speak 3 language and i have studied 18 years and i have a Master degree in Statistics and Applied economics :D

Don't let calm and peaceful deceive you like it say's in the Quran!!!!!

Where does it say "don't let CALM and PEACEFUL deceive you" in the Quran? i think you confusing the Quran with the bible.

The atheist wanted to play on the rule that we may as well grant rationality for the purposes of discussion. The Muslim did not agree to this rule and played on HIS term/rule that: 'you can't just grant rationality; you have to explain it'. The atheist RELUCTANTLY agreed to this, and then applied the same rule back to the Muslim.

Word salad. More dressing please.

+Anser Mateen I agree that was my take as well , Mills( I think that is his name) seemed to really want to talk and not play the games , I really thought Mo was almost unaware he kept falling into a sophistic script, I'm not sure he really understands whats going wrong even at the end of the long video. I like Mo normally but was unimpressed here. +Abu Musa *"Learn what?"* You don;t need to quote Mills to understand Mo's problems were twofold. The manner Mo tried to build his justification would be circular, a formal fallacy . It went something like this for simplicity. I claim my memory is reliable "*How do you justify that ?"* Well I remember god and he can ensures it is "*How do know your memory of god is reliable ?"* I well my memory is reliable because god ensures it is Round and round you go, or you don't .The alternatives are.... 1) you concede that you cannot establish certitude for it, so you accept you have to assume it. I assume in my Naturalistic worldview my memory is reliable and does not get tinkered with by such things as diabolical banana spirits. The odd thing is, a theist claims their deity does exactly this kind of tinkering , "hardening hearts" and the like, I have no idea how theists really can assume the reliability of such things as their memories given their worldview. Especailly the Sunni's who have a traditional view like Al-Ghazzali. 2) You pretend your circular account, your story somehow is not bad logic and you jump up and down and threaten to cry if people you try tricking with it , for some reason you deny your aware of, don't believe it. Firmly putting fingers in ears shouting my way works your way don't la la. Basically become an arsehole to irk your interlocutor and make a mental note to yourself to only play with those who don't know they are being played.

***** You have no idea what they are talking about do you ? Do you understand what the implications of Solipsism are?

***** *"Dude, when you make the mistake of talking to me,"* Yeah getting the impression its a mistake *"I dont give a rats ass!! But you are going to help me understand it..."* Why if you don't care? You can 't even be consistent being an ass, why should I imagine any conversation is going to be better than this ?

tdsdave I can see that you are someone who could actually follow the debate and understand the concepts being discussed. I like your first comment here, it lays out the two options quite neatly. Sometimes it is good to explain things properly because some people do understand, even though some others seem to like repeating their ignorance on every single video....

Anser Mateen shut the fuck up and keep your personal 100% belief to yourself. He spoke a load of shit of things that made no sense at all. What a moron you are.

I tell you didn't understand the conversation!! The Atheists IQ is far high for YOU! and Mohammed. Mohammed answers were very circular! Mohammed always starts conversations all polite and courteous and seems like he's interested in your point of view, but when people disagree with his point of view he gets passive-aggressive and starts being intellectually dishonest. so it is Mohammed fault!!

Because you Muslims are always INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST!! That's why!! You're doing it by writing this comment.

@@tylali That’s a very large generalization, don’t you think you’re being intellectually dishonest and ignorant by making this statement?

How was the Atheist ignorant? Explain how? I bet you can't!! I've seen Mohammed Hijab laughing in people face on a regular basis!! How BIAS you are!! Intellectual Dishonesty my friend.

as a former atheist and current muslim i understand both of them. The real difference is the athiest doesnt realize he has no answer for rationality and that rationality is self evident since you have to use rationality to prove itself. The muslim guy is saying that in islam the source of rationality is the uncreated creator and hes given man the natural disposition to be rational (understand the process of cause and effect.). The main hold up for the atheist is he has no comprehension of why the uncreated creator must rationally exist so to him its just an irrational storyline.

Gunther pico sound like someone has been reading Robert Morey book lol haha

Gunther pico you thick shit go and read a book before posting absolute vomit.

Muhammad is a narcissist, a pedophile, a mass murderer, a terrorist, a misogynist, a lecher, a cult leader, a madman a rapist, a torturer, an assassin and a looter me you

Gunther pico all issues that are an epidemic in your society according to British and American facts. not in Islam. Thank you for being caught as a liar.

In quran Allah gave him permission to have sex with any one he wanted ,with or without consent ( 33.50) including little underage girls (65.4) and hadiths describes his sex encounters which included sex with young widows right after beheading their husbands, oral sex with his young wives, and all night sex orgies with his young and lovely wives ( which numbered 11). As a matter of fact hadiths indicate that he even died while having passionate sex apparently from a heart failure during orgasm ( he was making love to teenage Ayesha in his very weak state during a prolonged debilitating sickness at age 63 me you

The nonsense is that you can't recognize nonsense. Very easy to see the Muslim only cares about his dogmatic belief.

Yes, you wallie, and its not only me but you as well. You just keep on believing in flying horses and that satan hides in your nose at night. Peace.

damian s​ oh so you have an issue with the unseen? Oh good lord you must know all about everything then? OK explain why you believe you came from an ape when now they're are telling you yes the very bloody scientists are saying ok uhhh perhaps not and WE don't know. Also while you're at it explain why in a world of GOD a flying horse or anything can't exist? Also as for Satan hiding anywhere on a world again of God Satan getting rights till a day of judgement is he able to do things that he asks God permission for? Explain the Paranormal? I'm waiting for your reply. And please don't make me recomment my questions by answering nothing I ask. I'll do that continously to show your lack of intelligence. Begin.

me you YES!!!! my dear Muslim friend. Yes, I DO have a problem with the unseen and you, as a "rational" thinking human being, should have too. I bet you dont believe in the Tooth Fairy, do you? Yet from your response, I gathered, you actually believe in flying horses. Creatures like that ONLY exist in FAIRYTALES!!! If you still insist it can be real then you need to DEMONSTRATE it. Now, regarding the theory of evolution, please name the scientists who claim that we dont know where we came from. Please backup your claim, then we will talk. Now about satan, you clearly deviating from what I said. I know its embarrassing but please let me elaborate on the subject more. Sahih al-Bukhari 3295, satan hides in your knows at night Sahih al-Bukhari 1144, satan urinates in your ears Sahih al-Bukhari, Number 1231, Sunan an-Nasai, Number 671, satan farts when he hears the call to prayer There is more where that came from, which is your own Muslim sources. You have to be really simple to believe that nonsense. I guess its the same as flying horses, what do you think? Moreover, you asked me to explain the paranormal. You wouldnt ask me to explain if you knew what the word actually means. So I shall leave that with you. Why dont you do a bit of reading rather than watch them idiots talk nonsense. Finally, I never claimed I know everything as you can clearly see from my previous response. However, you hit it on the nail where you said: "maybe we dont know" and I agree. Fortunately, through science we now know a lot more, so just embrace the knowlege the western world has given you. Come out the darkness my friend, think for yourself. After all, you have a brain, dont you?

damian s +me you YES!!!! my dear Muslim friend. Yes, I DO have a problem with the unseen and you, as a "rational" thinking human being, should have too. I bet you dont believe in the Tooth Fairy, do you? Is there evidence for a tooth fairy? Don't you silly FAIRY TALES. Yet from your response, I gathered, you actually believe in flying horses. DO BIRDS FLY DO WE KNOW ANYTHING OF THE UNSEEN? IN A WORLD OF GOD CAN A GOD DO THOSE THINGS? Creatures like that ONLY exist in FAIRYTALES!!! You BELIEVE something came from nothing and that's you're reply about that? Don't make me laugh. If you still insist it can be real then you need to DEMONSTRATE it. I have evidence to prove it but first Demonstrate how something came from nothing Now, regarding the theory of evolution, please name the scientists who claim that we dont know where we came from. Please backup your claim, then we will talk. IT SEEMS YOU HAVEN'T STUDIED EVOLUTION IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR PROOF OF THIS THERES ENDLESS INFO IN EVERY MAJOR SCIENTIFIC WORKS I SUGGEST YOY STUDY IT. HOWS ABOUT YOU GOOGLE IT OR KZfaq IT AS A STARTING POINT. JUST TO CLARIFY NO SCIENTISTS HAVE EVER CLAIMED OR CAN PROVE EVOLUTION AS FACT EVER IRS JUST A THEORY AS IT REMAINS ALSO IN SCHOOLS IN THE WEST THEY'VE REMOVED THE TEACHING YOU CAME FROM THE OCEAN AS A FISH. IF YOU HAVE PROOF THEN DO PLEASE SEND Now about satan, you clearly deviating from what I said. I know its embarrassing but please let me elaborate on the subject more. Sahih al-Bukhari 3295, satan hides in your knows at night Sahih al-Bukhari 1144, satan urinates in your ears Sahih al-Bukhari, Number 1231, Sunan an-Nasai, Number 671, satan farts when he hears the call to prayer Lol are you having a laugh your using hadiths? Tell me how much of that have you studied? There is more where that came from, which is your own Muslim sources. You have to be really simple to believe that nonsense. I guess its the same as flying horses, what do you think? I think you're thick as a plank. Moreover, you asked me to explain the paranormal. You wouldnt ask me to explain if you knew what the word actually means. So I shall leave that with you. Why dont you do a bit of reading rather than watch them idiots talk nonsense. Thank you for your idiotic reply. Finally, I never claimed I know everything as you can clearly see from my previous response. However, you hit it on the nail where you said: "maybe we dont know" and I agree. Fortunately, through science we now know a lot more, so just embrace the knowlege the western world has given you. I suggest you read things properly replying with some of what I said makes you look like a fool. Come out the darkness my friend, think for yourself. After all, you have a brain, dont you? Grow up get an education and stop listening to morons.

EPrimo M clearly you wasn't listening to the video he never said what you just posted why do you lie for?

Lies are for the weak and I don't need to lie. You might not agree with my comment which fair enough, but I don't take anything out because everything he says is to back up his beliefs. See that he barely listen to what the other guy has to say, because his got an agenda and he follows the same lines every debate. He even tries to make analogy between Quran and science which is far beyond the same thing. Science destroys the Quran.

EPrimo M​​ so you're weak. Science is in line with islam. Thank you. Here's some crap you probably believe in. Not even science says you evolved from apes today they've changed there minds. Amazing isn't it?

me you You so mad! You must be one of those brainwashed religious who spent his life memorising this book to believe that, lol. I don't know where on earth you have the idea that Quran have made any right assumption in science. It is full of mistakes and I challenge you to show me 'clearly' anything in the Quran related to science.

EPrimo M challenge accepted. First have you read the quran from beginning to end? No offence I do not want to to chat with a moron who's going to make a claim and hasn't read the book in question. We will begin once you answer.