Self-destructive? It could be your death drive…

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Why would living entities harbor a wish for self-destruction or even death? And if we look closer at the sufferings of existence, isn’t this longing to revert to an inorganic state quite understandable? This video explores self-destructive tendencies in light of Freud’s death drive and death itself.
Video: Self-destructive? It could be your death drive…
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00:00 - Intro
03:12 - Historical context
05:02 - A philosophy of death
11:17 - Freud's death drive
17:17 - Beyond Freud
#deathdrive #freud #sigmundfreud

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@user-uc6ez8wn9k
@user-uc6ez8wn9k 6 ай бұрын
My guy, my mental struggle is precisely why I’m watching this video
@jonathanramsey1269
@jonathanramsey1269 6 ай бұрын
Poor guy
@Tstorm-il5ih
@Tstorm-il5ih 6 ай бұрын
We all experience this. Pls hit the gym it does help. The shadow realm. Is coming soon enough. Be the best version of you for now.
@binder946
@binder946 6 ай бұрын
Improve your diet drink more water go for a nap. After that for a walk.
@reelsoon
@reelsoon 6 ай бұрын
Same lol😆
@billsheehy1
@billsheehy1 6 ай бұрын
Do something physical, work or go to a gym. Move your muscles and don’t dwell on your thoughts. You are creating your thoughts and emotions. Just observe your thoughts and don’t attach any danger to them.
@RanmVel
@RanmVel 6 ай бұрын
I tend to think isolation is a protection mechanism to avoid further hurt from or to others.
@warmblanketlover
@warmblanketlover 6 ай бұрын
classic hedgehog dilemma
@turtleanton6539
@turtleanton6539 6 ай бұрын
Yes😊😊😊
@steve3790bday
@steve3790bday 6 ай бұрын
🤝
@skemsen
@skemsen 6 ай бұрын
Hell is other people 😊
@higherlove8886
@higherlove8886 6 ай бұрын
💯
@sneakerbabeful
@sneakerbabeful 6 ай бұрын
A death drive might also be expressed as a disinterest in living. Someone who never fell in love with life, may passively lean into their death drive-to escape life.
@timbeck6726
@timbeck6726 6 ай бұрын
No emoji, my mouth is agape...WOW. I think i feel this. An eternal life force that animates without any benevolence or malvolence, a cathode effect(if you will). Ether of non agency...Thomas Ligotti vibes...
@melissabadaoui986
@melissabadaoui986 6 ай бұрын
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@abandonlife111
@abandonlife111 6 ай бұрын
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@jankeemunkey7739
@jankeemunkey7739 6 ай бұрын
@@melissabadaoui986🇵🇸🇮🇱🏳️
@jaimebm816
@jaimebm816 6 ай бұрын
You know, it is more common to see people who, after their first disappointment in love, no longer want to live, because they no longer want to feel the pain of "feeling." It hurts more to have tasted and then lost the sweet taste of life than to never have tasted it, since in the second case you can still imagine how wonderful its flavor must be and not feel the disappointment. There is a reason why we are happier when we are children.
@lovethyneibor22736
@lovethyneibor22736 6 ай бұрын
“No one recovers from the disease of being born, a deadly wound if there ever was one.” ― Emil Cioran
@Em-mr6wu
@Em-mr6wu 6 ай бұрын
I bet he hated his mother.
@lovethyneibor22736
@lovethyneibor22736 6 ай бұрын
why? @@Em-mr6wu
@repolhoazulado1028
@repolhoazulado1028 6 ай бұрын
@@lovethyneibor22736 Because this very wise thinker in the youtube comments said so. Also a psichiatrist, able to determine someones trauma only through a phrase.
@lovethyneibor22736
@lovethyneibor22736 6 ай бұрын
😀@@repolhoazulado1028
@lovethyneibor22736
@lovethyneibor22736 6 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure Cioran had good relationships with his parents despite his philosophical views about birth and life @@repolhoazulado1028
@scarlet12234
@scarlet12234 6 ай бұрын
Makes sense. When I was depressed and at my breaking point, I didn't want to die necessarily, I just didn't want to exist anymore because I was suffering so much in this existence. I'm glad I stuck it out though. Ultimately I decided to make a drastic change before killing myself, which was to leave my old life behind to travel with no money and few possessions. Many shifts in perspective happened and I was able to come back to the old life as a new, more resilient self.
@sondra1981
@sondra1981 6 ай бұрын
That’s exactly how I describe the state I’m in, I don’t want to kill myself but I don’t want to exist anymore. I’m not suicidal, I don’t dare to do such a thing but most importantly, I care way too much of the effect that would have on my children if I were to do it. sometimes I wish I could just give up and nobody would be affected by it. Ultimately, Im more grateful I have reasons to exist. My kids existence has saved my life more than they will ever know
@scarlet12234
@scarlet12234 6 ай бұрын
@@gmack. hitchhiking, busking (street musician in case you're unfamiliar with the term) for cash. It would be more appropriate to say "no savings" instead of "no money" in general. I only acquired money when I needed it.
@geekvinos
@geekvinos 6 ай бұрын
How long and where'd you go? I had a similar journey and fell in love with all that travel. This is a phase of life that can bear tremendously rich fruit.
@islandmaaan1115
@islandmaaan1115 6 ай бұрын
Youre an Alchemist. You are stronger than 99% of the rest. Just AMAZING!!!!
@scarlet12234
@scarlet12234 6 ай бұрын
@@geekvinos down to Florida once and then back and forth across the US a few times. But I spent most of my time traveling up and down the west coast. I was on the road for about 2 years. It was the longest 2 years of my life in a good way.
@irrelevant2235
@irrelevant2235 6 ай бұрын
Natalist: Nothing is better than being alive. Antinatalist: Yes, nothing IS better than being alive.
@sebastianelytron8450
@sebastianelytron8450 6 ай бұрын
I literally stood up and clapped. This is genius 👏
@DyceFreak
@DyceFreak 6 ай бұрын
@@sebastianelytron8450 It's witty, but not genius. Genius is realizing that no physical body has experienced nothingness, so they could not genuinely market the experience.
@timbeck6726
@timbeck6726 6 ай бұрын
☠🎶💥😜...yes
@Aileensuresh
@Aileensuresh 6 ай бұрын
Pls explain the difference 😭
@timbeck6726
@timbeck6726 6 ай бұрын
I'd rather feel than not, I'd rather breathe than not, I'd rather grow slowly if not at all, when i die I'll wither, not feel, rot. Find something.
@lovethyneibor22736
@lovethyneibor22736 6 ай бұрын
"And I declared that the dead, who had already died, are happier than the living, who are still alive. But better than both is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun." -Bible
@kyonlupus3951
@kyonlupus3951 6 ай бұрын
The book Ecclesiastes it's quite nihilistic, so I think that guy had a bias for a topic like this.
@lovethyneibor22736
@lovethyneibor22736 6 ай бұрын
? @@kyonlupus3951
@terrorists-are-among-us
@terrorists-are-among-us 6 ай бұрын
Reason to not have children, Islam wants world domination anyhow.
@lovethyneibor22736
@lovethyneibor22736 6 ай бұрын
? @@terrorists-are-among-us
@terrorists-are-among-us
@terrorists-are-among-us 6 ай бұрын
​@@lovethyneibor22736Islam has no issue subjugating females, Catholics are against contraception, they seek power control and spawn large families. That's population creation. While plenty of westerners prefer to not to exist in poverty or be bothered with the mess and drag kids into it, religious people will still be here making babies for their cause.
@AlphaCrucis
@AlphaCrucis 6 ай бұрын
My survival actions are not about wanting to live or avoid death, they are about avoiding suffering and to a lesser extend, obtaining pleasure.
@nehemaialord2653
@nehemaialord2653 6 ай бұрын
agree
@johnnyearp52
@johnnyearp52 6 ай бұрын
Wanting to avoid suffering leads me to thoughts of death.
@lucre113
@lucre113 3 ай бұрын
Nietzsche argued that humans do not avoid suffering, but seek it
@lucre113
@lucre113 3 ай бұрын
“…joy is only a symptom of the feeling of attained power…one does not strive for joy…joy accompanies.”
@allseeingotto2912
@allseeingotto2912 3 ай бұрын
@@lucre113it seems many women do .
@scoobydooby6180
@scoobydooby6180 6 ай бұрын
I use to be very happy go lucky. Then I began getting deep into smoking weed at 22 and drinking. I’ve never been the same. I’m no longer happy nor lucky. I’ve just screwed my life up time and time over in the last 5 years. So many mistakes financially, physically, and socially. I’m about to be 11 months sober but the damage is done. I’ve dug a real deep hole and I fear never making it out. I had a bright future. I really fucked up. Please, don’t do drugs. Being strong and healthy is the best thing you can do for yourself. The rest will follow if you take care of your health and then maybe we wouldn’t wonder if we would be better off dead. Exercise, read, eat your vitamins and say your prayers.
@scoobydooby6180
@scoobydooby6180 6 ай бұрын
@willcross5512 I started smoking weed at 17 but it got out of control from 22-27. Made a lot of bad decisions and got behind in life. I was born and raised in the hood and feel ashamed that I haven’t been able to get out. Gang violence all around. I’m 5’10 but last year got way over weight. I blew up to 250 lbs. In a short amount of time. I’m now 190 but I have stretch marks all over. Everywhere. The ones on my stomach hurt me the most because even if I ever get back into shape, get all cut and lean then I’ll still have these ugly stretch marks on my abs. Not to mention everywhere else. I can’t even look at my arms or thighs without getting depressed and anxious because I can’t help but to be reminded about the mistake I made of gaining so much weight. I feel so unattractive. I know it’s vain but still. Before I felt like I could get any women in the world even if it wasn’t true. I guess you can say I’m a pretty handsome guy but now I feel hideous since I’m out of shape and have stretch marks everywhere. Im broke as shit. In huge debt with high interest rates. No car. Live with my parents but my dad hates me. Siblings not too fond of me anymore either. My mom, idk, she’s my mom but I know it’s not like before anymore. I have periodontal disease because I failed to take care of my oral health during the last 5 years of going off the rails smoking every day and eating like shit. Idk man I know I still have a lot to be grateful for and I listen to and read lots of motivational inspirational things but I’m just so ashamed of who I am and what I’ve become. It’s so embarrassing. I use to be an athlete. Lean. Responsible. But I just got out of control with the drugs and partying and haven’t amounted to anything so far. I have a bachelors. But haven’t really done shit with it. I’m going to be 28 at the end of the year and just feel like a fucking loser. Thank you for your insight though. It means a lot. You have definitely been through the ringer. I just feel like I’ve fucked myself up way too much at this point. It’s like I’ve said game over because I’m no longer physically attractive. The stretch marks really traumatized me and I fear never recovering from that. In all honestly that’s what bugs me the most and I know it’s pathetic. I’m balding a bit too. But nothing too crazy yet. But yeah I feel I threw my 20s away and my looks are gone too cus my skin is all fucked up.
@Flails
@Flails 6 ай бұрын
@@scoobydooby6180the only way is up my brother. We all start somewhere, its time to start. For better or for worse. Make a change. You will thank yourself later, trust me. Work out, get fresh air, read. Who cares what anybody thinks…I know it sounds cliche but its very true. This change will be for you and only you. Head up chest out one day at a time. You’ve got this, I believe in you.
@higherlove8886
@higherlove8886 6 ай бұрын
I spent most of my life being self destructive. I've stopped, but it is a struggle to be kind to myself. So odd. Now I try to do things that will have a positive impact when I'm no longer here. Such as planting trees.
@Vapourwear
@Vapourwear 6 ай бұрын
How is that being kind to yourself? It’s the equivalent of sending flowers to your own funeral attendees. Nice and all, but not really for you.
@higherlove8886
@higherlove8886 6 ай бұрын
@@Vapourwear I do things that are kind to myself such as not drinking alcohol, respecting myself, spending time in nature, prioritizing sleep, etc. Doing things that will benefit others and the planet helps me because it adds meaning to my life .
@jacekmiksza505
@jacekmiksza505 6 ай бұрын
@@higherlove8886 That is called conscious evolution.Your are breaking free from your "little-big me" identification and expanding and including all around : others, animals, plants ...
@Vapourwear
@Vapourwear 6 ай бұрын
@@higherlove8886 Sou desu ne
@MattAngiono
@MattAngiono 6 ай бұрын
​@@higherlove8886this is great! It really makes a difference for others! I try as well. Even just smiling at people especially those who need it (homeless, or look angry, etc) I think the best thing for us all is to adopt veganism. Think of the holocaust that happens every minute to innocent animals. We could stop that! And the byproduct would be feeling much nicer towards each other, knowing we aren't responsible for such harm to conscious creatures. And think of how many trees we could plant then! Like 80%of land use is for farming animals. All that land could become forest and homes for many wild animals! People often just feel better in this diet too! The only downside is being aware and trying to convince others it's a worthy endeavor. It can be depressing how people treat you for just wanting less suffering to happen to innocent animals (we are often the most hated people in the planet). Still, I will never stop advocating because I truly believe it the next step in our awakening! On a different note, I also think having a creative pursuit is highly important. It's the opposite of self destructive! I paint, do photography, and play music just for myself. They make me much happier!
@spacecadet7037
@spacecadet7037 2 ай бұрын
as someone who dealt with self destructive habits for way too long + mental illness. ive come to a point where i feel like i enjoy in self destructive habits and making myself feel like shit. which is why i even watched this but hey, this was quite enlightening
@lovethyneibor22736
@lovethyneibor22736 6 ай бұрын
“To bear children into this world is like carrying wood to a burning house.” ― Peter Wessel Zapffe
@melissabadaoui986
@melissabadaoui986 6 ай бұрын
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@yesjo1456
@yesjo1456 6 ай бұрын
sounds like a morbid joke lol
@abandonlife111
@abandonlife111 6 ай бұрын
@@melissabadaoui986 spammer
@michaellewis483
@michaellewis483 6 ай бұрын
Well how else are you going to rebuild it after it burns down?
@poorianesaiy6298
@poorianesaiy6298 6 ай бұрын
​@@melissabadaoui986💩💩☣️
@curtisbryce5096
@curtisbryce5096 6 ай бұрын
The death drive is a subconscious drive to return to the one consciousness that is the center of all things.
@JohnSmith-fo5cx
@JohnSmith-fo5cx 6 ай бұрын
proof?
@curtisbryce5096
@curtisbryce5096 6 ай бұрын
@@JohnSmith-fo5cx Jesus H. Christ, proof of an eternal consciousness that permeates all things and is all? What a pillock. Go and read every religious text ever written. That's your PROOF. What an idiotic comment.
@jsun1993
@jsun1993 6 ай бұрын
@@JohnSmith-fo5cxbruh, are you serious? Source: he made it up
@Leispada
@Leispada 6 ай бұрын
yes, this might well be
@skemsen
@skemsen 6 ай бұрын
@@JohnSmith-fo5cx You can’t disprove a negative claim regarding metaphysics. People who lean on materialist science for some reason don’t disregard all of science in physics because science can’t prove that there was nothing before the Big Bang. But I would suggest watching some of philosopher Bernardo Kastrups videos/discussions here on YT. He makes logical arguments for the world being mental instead of actual physical stuff.
@bontasliviu300
@bontasliviu300 6 ай бұрын
Anyone who climbed high up on a mountain or building has at one time or another an idea or feeling of: "how about you jump from here" or "what will happen if you jump". In my experience and of others whom i talked about it, this happens not only when you feel down or depressed but also when youre feeling good. did anyone here experienced this?
@thereisnosanctuary6184
@thereisnosanctuary6184 6 ай бұрын
Call of the Void
@Jackmonkey66666hghinnv
@Jackmonkey66666hghinnv 6 ай бұрын
Interesting thought I haven’t ever quite thought “how about I jump” but I’ve always been petrified of heights and especially standing near balconies or railings because I’ve always had a weird feeling of not being able to trust myself to not slip off/have a weird urge to get closer to the ledge and lean my body over and fall to my death the closer I am to them and or if I touch a rail or balcony rail I start to get stressed and feel like either I’m going to get pushed over by someone or do it to myself and my body completely takes control over everything while my brain is stuck thinking wtf dont jump idiot? lol so I just avoid being anywhere near them now
@coolbreeze5683
@coolbreeze5683 6 ай бұрын
I've experienced this. My boyfriend at the time had the keys to give him access to the roof of his 16 storey apartment building since he was on the board. We went up there to enjoy the views and he got on his stomach and lay near the edge to briefly look down at the street below. He asked if I was ok with laying next to him. I refused to go near the edge. I told him I would find a way to jump or roll off the edge if I stood that close. The urge was strong for some reason. My life was and still is great. Have good family, friends and relationship. I'm happy, financially doing well, enjoy my job, never had depression. Yet...I have that curiosity of what will happen next? Dr. Edith Eva Eger's story described surviving the Holocaust due to her drive to live through curiosity. Wondering what was still in store for her life. For me, this curiosity is sometimes linked to the opposite. More about knowing so much about this life and wondering what comes after it.
@SoloAdvocate
@SoloAdvocate 6 ай бұрын
I think you can expand on this as a natural Human drive we have. We are self destructive by nature if you look at Humans as a whole. A specific "group" of people will oftentimes bring Humanity down as a whole in the aims to increase the standing of their "group" over others. The best example would be either of the World Wars and some of the worst results, nuclear armament. By all intents and purposes self destruction is the most likely future of Humanity unless we can overcome what at least seems to be in our very nature. Edit: This comment was before I watched the video btw
@timothyirwin8974
@timothyirwin8974 6 ай бұрын
@@Jackmonkey66666hghinnv Same here and a few others I know. I thought originally that it was a latent feeling from when we were tree dwellers jumping tree to tree as I am drawn to the edge but also fear it. Just going to the roof of a tall building provokes all sorts of contradictory feelings and impulses. Had an office on the 22nd floor. Kept the blinds closed almost always. To see another person on the top of another building doing some maintenance without a tether was too much. Old pictures of people working in perilous conditions on skyscrapers with little or no safety precautions taken is too much to look at and it gets worse with age. I would be paralyzed in certain situations.
@lorititus5781
@lorititus5781 5 ай бұрын
Hearing that there were philosophers that saw things the way I see them is refreshing. I never wanted kids because I could see how much suffering life has to offer
@je-sus-6910
@je-sus-6910 4 ай бұрын
We don’t need ur children
@TheRealZombieWizard
@TheRealZombieWizard 4 ай бұрын
Correct why bring in new life when the world is garbage anyway, humanity had it’s time and we failed.
@pissedpajamas5718
@pissedpajamas5718 4 ай бұрын
@@TheRealZombieWizardsaying we failed implies that that there was a way of not failing or a ‘right’ way to exist. Life is not an assignment, there’s no failing
@Paradox1012
@Paradox1012 4 ай бұрын
To desire the absence of suffering is to desire the destruction of all things, everything is connected through a bond of both suffering of the soul and elation of the soul. Even if you wish to deny the world, the world will never deny you. Your flesh and bones will return to nothingness , the cycle, sure. But the universe is always moving , changing therefore if we bring that to its absolute conclusion you will still contribute to "suffering" by simply being, you WILL always come back and be *something* after all, so it makes no difference. But you harp to much on this side of the coin, life and death the natural and unatural, thanatos and Eros are something you must acquire in balance. Together. If you are weighed down by one side or the other, it will only perpeuate a cycle that continues to affect *you* (the royal YOU) even after your death, placing you into a cycle for eons you might not even be aware of. So to chose the future of humanity is only natural. And the future is something you cannot disassociate from.
@TheFracturedfuture
@TheFracturedfuture 4 ай бұрын
​@@Paradox1012If your parents wouldn't have had you then you wouldn't be you. Sure your energy would have become something else but it would not be you. So when people decide not to have children they are still sparring them the pointless suffering.
@mountainjay
@mountainjay 4 ай бұрын
"This video is not intended to be helpful or anything like that." Perfect, that's exactly what I'm looking for.
@Spartan-Of-Truth
@Spartan-Of-Truth 23 күн бұрын
😂
@andi330
@andi330 16 күн бұрын
Same here
@JaceReboot
@JaceReboot 6 ай бұрын
As one with mental illness I have one main theory with Death Drive… some of us lack the innate lust for life, be it by some genetic deficiency or environmental trauma. And I can’t help but feel like maybe we use the Death Drive to actually find that lacking lust or desire for life. When ya exist in a feeling of nonexistence, meaningless or numbness akin to a walking corpse… well maybe becoming aware of mortality, actually embracing one’s ability to die through intimate dances with danger, one finds a true desire to live. I mean dead things can’t die, and if ya feel as though ya are living death then ya can’t truly engage with nor enjoy and embrace life as a living creature. But awareness of one’s ability to die forces one to accept their status as living and perhaps ignites to desire to preserve that… just ponderings based on my own experience and perhaps full of shit but worth noting
@80neptune
@80neptune 6 ай бұрын
I imagine that when I'm dying, I will be happy and relieved that the horrors of life will evaporate along with my own existence.
@nothanks9503
@nothanks9503 3 ай бұрын
Reminds me of my theory that heaven and hell exist in the last moments of life
@alextomlinson
@alextomlinson Ай бұрын
@@nothanks9503wonder if that results from whether one has a good conscience or a bad conscience 🤔
@nothanks9503
@nothanks9503 Ай бұрын
@@alextomlinson yeah like final moment when you look back at your life will you think to yourself “I did good” or “I could have done better”
@alextomlinson
@alextomlinson 29 күн бұрын
@@nothanks9503 Everyone can do better I suppose. It's probably whether you did good or bad. Maybe the subjective ego goes away and you're left to confront who you really are objectively with out any defences. No repression, no amnesia, no justifications, no dissociation.
@nothanks9503
@nothanks9503 29 күн бұрын
@@alextomlinson Yeah I mean you don’t need the defense strategies anymore if you’re dying
@Kyrgizion
@Kyrgizion 6 ай бұрын
I'm currently going through a major crisis and this video did more to help me and clear up some things than the last four and a half hours of several self-help and psychology videos.
@donhosmer8159
@donhosmer8159 6 ай бұрын
My first step Was accepting that I am not the first person to go through this And they made it So why can't I
@jaredthomas9584
@jaredthomas9584 6 ай бұрын
Good luck with your struggles, and know that you aren't alone. Being able to express yourself, to yourself, or other people is a great help.
@lerros8008
@lerros8008 6 ай бұрын
They're filling market interest
@adrianbenedictmendoza6818
@adrianbenedictmendoza6818 5 ай бұрын
I'm with you! We struggle collectively, we must acknowledge that. But dont worry, this is just the cocoon state of metamorphosis.. darkness incubates growth of the soul! You will transcend!
@lucre113
@lucre113 3 ай бұрын
How are you doing?
@allrise3056
@allrise3056 6 ай бұрын
“Oh, yeah. Life goes on… long after the ‘thrill’ of livin’ is gone.” -John Cougar
@anju8376
@anju8376 6 ай бұрын
yes i think self isolation is a manifestation of death drive…i found my peace with death a long time ago when i watched my dad, my only secure attachment, die when i was 12. he taught me to make peace with his dying while he himself was making peace with it. i have never been afraid of death, but since pandemic i have embraced it more as a good thing that i look forward to, and its no coincidence ive been self isolating. i dont honestly enjoy life, but i try to make the best of it as long as i have to be here.
@thereisnosanctuary6184
@thereisnosanctuary6184 6 ай бұрын
Sorry
@oldmanhendo7183
@oldmanhendo7183 6 ай бұрын
I feel the exact same way. I really never enjoyed life much tbh. But these days, I absolutely hate it. Nothing in this world brings me any happiness anymore
@lobiaking8318
@lobiaking8318 6 ай бұрын
@@oldmanhendo7183 Same here ! How do you get going?
@oldmanhendo7183
@oldmanhendo7183 6 ай бұрын
@@lobiaking8318 I’m trying lately just to really get into some of my hobbies. It’s the only thing that at least brings me a little excitement
@1GTX1
@1GTX1 6 ай бұрын
I watched a movie about a virus and was more disturbed by it than being in hospital because of covid, having lung inflammation and problems breathing. There was a dead body on the floor next to bathroom, people seemed to be mad at the guy for being dead. Nurses were smoking 🚬 in some room on the floor (Eastern Europe).We would close window because it was cold, they would open it every time. They gave me wrong medication, i didn't care. It was so silly.
@sondra1981
@sondra1981 6 ай бұрын
If I am alone, no one can abandon me. My fear of abandonment is so deeply ingrained in me that I overlook the real dangers in order to avoid it
@NIL0S
@NIL0S 3 ай бұрын
It's not so much abandonment for me, as much it's disappointment. To be disappointed, to disappoint others. Alone, I can only be disappointed in myself. I can deal with that.
@Respect2theFallen
@Respect2theFallen 2 ай бұрын
I feel both of you. I avoided relationships alot as a kid for fear of hurting them and being hurt. I prefer to be by myself alot but if people have similar interests I can tolerate being around them but not for a long time.
@sondra1981
@sondra1981 2 ай бұрын
@@NIL0S yes !! That too! My fears of abandonment actually begin with Disappointment… My negative core beliefs are: -I’m a disappointment -Disappointment leads to being abandoned, either emotionally or physically. So, Eventually I will disappoint a person in my life that I’ve attached to. I’m not a clingy attachment style, I’m mostly an anxious and somewhat avoidant attachment style, so in play it cool but inside the fear of loss is equivalent to fear of death almost. And that disappointment will make them like/love me less (emotionally abandoning me) and then leave me one day. So now I isolate myself to just avoid all that inevitable pain.. but on the conscious level, I know all of that is not true and that the real danger is my isolation but my subconscious and core beliefs have hijacked the drivers seat, driving us over the cliffs thinking it’s keeping me safe lol and im trying to regain some control
@trulymental7651
@trulymental7651 6 ай бұрын
Top vid, cheers. I am 61, have no teeth, mainly from gritting them. I can only say, smile while you still have teeth. If you don't suffer you don't learn, ignorance is bliss. I kind of relate to Icarus as 'bipolar'. I never listen to sad music it is torture. But I am entirely self destructive, have anger for the outside world for being so dumb and not seeing what I see and completely isolate myself so I don't get hurt or hurt anyone else. Thoughts can be very dangerous, I look at it like a trai, a train of thought. Get off the bad thought train and get a new one add good thoughts to the engine. Good luck everyone, all I know is if you can laugh about it, whatever it is, even maniacally, 😅, it makes it better, as do trees and sunshine. Take care of your brains they were good enough to watch this, so you are sound 😊
@WorkingMan1177
@WorkingMan1177 6 ай бұрын
I’m no expert but I think a lack of self love gives rise to self sabotage. I’m sure other things do too, but a lack of self love definitely does in my experience. I also believe that Unresolved inner pain drives us to self medicate or self isolate, or both. It also causes us to “go back” and revisit painful, negative feelings. These feelings, often generated by past trauma don’t just “go away.” They must be allowed to be, acknowledged, observed and accepted. In my experience, when I practice that, I find that eventually that pain and those uncomfortable feelings simply pass by/float away. Much like a cloud does. I’m learning not to go “chasing clouds!” Namaste. 🙏
@minkorrh
@minkorrh 6 ай бұрын
I think your introspection is laudable, and is many steps past lying on a couch with someone asking about your mother. What you said here affirms what I've thought for many years.
@evadebruijn
@evadebruijn 6 ай бұрын
​@@minkorrhBeing in therapy and self acceptance are not necessarily mutually exclusive. It depends whether the motivation is self loathing or self care.
@NicholasRees-ic8jx
@NicholasRees-ic8jx 6 ай бұрын
I don't think love--even self love--is something good in and of itself. There are many things about each of us that we ought to hate. I can't for the life of me understand how you could possibly have complete self-love and not be victim of complacency. The minute you have only self love and have shed all self hatred is the minute that you actually are dead. I don't want anyone to die, but I don't see why you would have nothing but self love and then have any motivation to do anything but sit there and rot. Without acknowledging your deficiencies, there can be no motivation for improvement--or becoming more than what you are. If you're not becoming more--improving, then how can you possibly be in a state of enjoying who you are--who you are to become? There cannot be self love without self hatred--not because hatred makes you appreciate love, but instead because you're limiting the potential of who you might become.
@WorkingMan1177
@WorkingMan1177 6 ай бұрын
@@NicholasRees-ic8jx I personally believe unconditional, gracious love is a much healthier motivator. I certainly wouldn’t hate my child for their shortcomings. That doesn’t mean I don’t acknowledge their shortcomings and immaturity, I do. Same for myself. But with, patience, kindness and acceptance of the present condition. Self Love doesn’t motivate me to go into denial or complacency, it motivates me to keep growing and have some joy during the process. ✌️
@NicholasRees-ic8jx
@NicholasRees-ic8jx 6 ай бұрын
@@WorkingMan1177 Why would your child have a desire to change if you didn't express your dissatisfaction with their behavior? I'm not saying that you got to beat your child for doing something wrong--far from it. However, I see no reason to express love for something that you clearly have disgust for. If you see a shortcoming, then that is literally something that you do not like--and it ought to be expressed. That's not unconditional love--far from it. As I see it, the idea of unconditional love is nonsensical and inherently self-refuting, and I don't see how you're doing anything except asserting that self love is a greater motivator. Wishing something to be true does not make it true.
@sophiapde9369
@sophiapde9369 6 ай бұрын
What Freud said about the ' death drive' is true for all humans, be you rich or poor. I find the concept both easy to understand but complex at the same time. What really come to my mind is Pink Floyd 's " comfortably numb" .Thanks Einzelganger, hope you are doing good.
@lorenzog7811
@lorenzog7811 6 ай бұрын
I'll tell you one thing. Life is much better rich
@melissabadaoui986
@melissabadaoui986 6 ай бұрын
💚🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
@daddy6757
@daddy6757 6 ай бұрын
@@lorenzog7811 Yes, if the rich are a psychopath. I personally won't be able to bare the weight of guilt, knowing I exploit, scam, and manipulate people to get rich. Probably will down in alcoholism.
@lorenzog7811
@lorenzog7811 6 ай бұрын
@@daddy6757 ill take the money thanks. This world is a shit hole might as well enjoy it with money. Without it youre nothing but a slave. Not my fault "God" made it this horrible way
@marcomongke3116
@marcomongke3116 6 ай бұрын
Ah there is a reason Roger Waters, freely and fearlessly express his opinion.
@kendrickjahn1261
@kendrickjahn1261 6 ай бұрын
I'm not sure about this death drive, but throughout my entire life, from a child on, I've often struggled and had thoughts like, "Not being here would be better." I had a hard time understanding people's optimism for life, even now. Guess they have mostly that life drive. But for me, I feel like truly analyzing the world for what it is as a whole leads to the conclusion that pains do outweigh pleasures, as Schopenhauer recognized. And most of our pleasures are shortlived from moment to moment, or even lead to deeper pain, which always reaffirms my conclusions. I think optimistic people often shy away from the sheer pain of existence as a defense mechanism. It's overbearing for them to look at the ugliness of existence. So they talk themselves into "bubbly talk."
@juliewilderman8782
@juliewilderman8782 3 ай бұрын
Rose colored glasses……
@RayneNikole
@RayneNikole 3 ай бұрын
I look into systemic corruption and psychology every day. It's certainly baffling how many people have their heads buried in the sand ignoring atrocities or People that buy happiness with random consumerism. People are isolated and don't trust in each other. But we are physical beings, not some consciousness separate from everything. Our emotions dictate our logic just as our logic dictates emotions. Sometimes all I see is a burning fire that is our world's past and future. It's hard to even coax myself to do anything. Yet even with all the pain in the world, when I'm working with community, taking care of myself mentally and physically ECT I find life worth living. I don't believe in a god. But I still think the miracle of life is worth trying to preserve. Life doesn't have meaning and we're slaves to our condition. But that doesn't mean we can't make our own meanings and try to be more conscious and do what we can
@remissiveslave
@remissiveslave Ай бұрын
100% feel that.
@remissiveslave
@remissiveslave Ай бұрын
​@@RayneNikolevery valid points
@CarefulHowYouStep
@CarefulHowYouStep 6 ай бұрын
i think a part not being discussed is the programming that comes along with trauma. it trains, or programs you to believe something traumatic is normal
@pruettstephen1413
@pruettstephen1413 6 ай бұрын
For a complimentary perspective I might recommend a Jungian psychoanalyst writer named Donald Kalsched who has written two brilliant insightful books related to early life trauma. His first book is The Inner World of Trauma Archetypal Defense of the Personal Spirit. It explores how early life trauma can act in unconscious ways that thwart our ability to manifest a healthy inner world leading to addiction, depression and yes the death wish. It does this through a self care system that though it may have aided us in early life it becomes a tyrannical inner presence that has seemingly its own life force. Anyway I highly recommend it for those wondering why they keep repeating the same destructive patterns their whole life. Be forewarned that sometimes greater truth brings greater frustration. It's one thing to know something intellectually and quite another to bring it down to an emotional level as I feel sure many of you know.❤
@evadebruijn
@evadebruijn 6 ай бұрын
🙏 thnx for sharing 👍
@Mantras-and-Mystics
@Mantras-and-Mystics 4 ай бұрын
Does the book also give advice on how to get over it and start actually living life? Thanks. 💙
@user-fq4yz5ek3r
@user-fq4yz5ek3r 6 ай бұрын
Artie Shopenhaur cracks me up. He's my favorite. In his old age when he finally achieved some noteriety,a young admirer came to visit. He asked Artie," If it's so miserable,why do you endure it?". He replied,"Because it's so fascinating!".
@dannygoblin5579
@dannygoblin5579 4 ай бұрын
TRUE!!! 👏
@mr.jamster8414
@mr.jamster8414 2 ай бұрын
Rule of Boring seems to apply to this world lmao
@mikehowe2768
@mikehowe2768 6 ай бұрын
I grew up in and out of prison drug addict. Ed got clean and relapse, many times and got my life back together. I don’t think one little video is going to send me over the edge.
@suziwong86
@suziwong86 6 ай бұрын
As someone who struggles with the whole living thing. This made me feel so much better and would go as far as saying cheered me up. This explained something I have always felt but could never put into words
@Chervenushka
@Chervenushka 4 ай бұрын
Me too I guess. I suppose it is also a topic of taboo. Telling someone that you would prefer to not exist often often raises concerns with people. They try to convince you that there is so much to live for.
@Mtmonaghan
@Mtmonaghan 3 ай бұрын
It is actually fear of death. Everyone is anxious about their own certain death. They flee it, in to everyday banality, where one is to busy to be concerned. Death is a basic transcendental structure of your Being, humans are the only creatures in the universe that knows some day they must die. Wishing for it is a bit more structurally consistent than covering it up. But your thrown in to feeling the way you do, a throwness you can not get before. So accept your structured condition and choose from the way you feel it, don’t try to flee from it.
@Mtmonaghan
@Mtmonaghan 3 ай бұрын
The public thinks it will never die. The language we share reflects this fleeing of death. So thinking about death, which involves the use of language is often an aversion of it. Feel your own death and within that mood choose what life you want to live.
@renendell
@renendell 6 ай бұрын
As with all things profound, the intellect complicates as well as elucidates. People aren't designed. Rather we are the emergent consequence of a number of "successful" systems. It makes total sense to want to live, to fight for your life but simultaneously feel so weary that you'd be happy if it were all over. People are not rational actors
@evadebruijn
@evadebruijn 6 ай бұрын
I love the quotation marks with successful 😄👍
@mary-joypugh3143
@mary-joypugh3143 6 ай бұрын
This makes so much sense to me. I absolutely think biology has a part to play in it as well--think of all the animal species that are programmed to destroy themselves or their mates after certain events have transpired. I also think this drive has to be much more prominant in some humans than others, otherwise it wouldnt be so controversial. Fascinating. Im always looking for reasons to explain why i seem to want to die all the time 😃
@garden_3130
@garden_3130 6 ай бұрын
How interesting.
@adrianbenedictmendoza6818
@adrianbenedictmendoza6818 5 ай бұрын
Biology actually is a kind of simulation or game, everything is interconnected through relationship of life and death..Ouroboros, preservation of life, chaos is a human perception. A story, game woven in cosmic entertainment industry
@stormsa-coming4315
@stormsa-coming4315 4 ай бұрын
I do not want to die all the time but there is a part of me that enjoys flirting with disaster. In putting myself in dangerous situations, throwing caution to the wind and saying '"f it", there is something truly badass and exhilarating about it. I've come close to death a few times and in those final seconds before either death or miracle, I felt a strange sense of calm and a kind of acceptance. That being said, I do have a slight fear of death at other times but this could relate more to the "unknown" aspect of it.
@caiosugi
@caiosugi 3 ай бұрын
Began smoking 10 years ago as a plan to shorten my existence and can't abandon that plan even though I know things changed for the better because it is still not worth existing.
@lancerussell755
@lancerussell755 3 ай бұрын
Damn, thats ruff.. yall need help, life is not that hard..
@bobbydigital8056
@bobbydigital8056 Ай бұрын
​​@@lancerussell755You don't get it bro, it's also not that rewarding. Life = snore. Not to mention the fact that you have no idea what other people have been through. Your privilege is showing.
@lancerussell755
@lancerussell755 Ай бұрын
@@bobbydigital8056 Everyone alive is privileged
@OGreenWorId
@OGreenWorId Ай бұрын
@@lancerussell755Maybe yours isn’t. Congrats.
@OGreenWorId
@OGreenWorId Ай бұрын
@@bobbydigital8056It’s no use explaining something to someone who can’t see.
@killyourego1185
@killyourego1185 6 ай бұрын
For me, it's past traumas, guilt, shame, they're powerfully negative feelings to live with. I've struggled all my adult life with substance abuse, trying to numb out the overactive thinking dwelling on past mistakes. Even though I've learned from my mistakes and have let many things go, you can never forget them. It's not that I want to be dead, but a part of me is ready to move on to the other side. The one thing that has helped me the most is the experiences I've had with psychedelics, something that has shown me that there is much more going on beyond the reality we are currently existing in. Specifically my breakthrough experience on dmt.
@dionkhoboka6455
@dionkhoboka6455 6 ай бұрын
it's understandable ,I'm also going through the same thing......But then you've made it this far ,Somehow ,someway your still here ......I also don't want death/pain but then I get to make myself relive the pain ,but we're still here ,still living ,and maybe that's enough.
@killyourego1185
@killyourego1185 6 ай бұрын
@@dionkhoboka6455 Word bro. I do believe it's a necessary struggle to find our way back. If you're a metaphysical thinker like myself, then we are meant to have this raw material experience in survival mode. Cursed with the potential to feel every ugly thing that happens. But there's light on the other side, that's what keeps me going forward.
@guilhermepicolloduarte8110
@guilhermepicolloduarte8110 6 ай бұрын
​@@killyourego1185Why bother? Suicide is the way for me
@oldmanhendo7183
@oldmanhendo7183 6 ай бұрын
@@killyourego1185would you mind sharing a bit about what you learned in your DMT experience? You don’t have TK give every detail but maybe just the main lessons/themes? Thank you!
@mr.puddles5246
@mr.puddles5246 4 ай бұрын
​@killyourego1185 though I've always wanted to sample ayahuasca, the absence of inheritance has necessitated heavy workloads to sustain my flesh. My mind is wounded though. And it must be healed. For now, i have arrived at the conclusion that I will live as best I can and embrace death as my friend at the end.
@yearofthegarden
@yearofthegarden 6 ай бұрын
I ponder this concept a lot, as I go through bouts of low emotion due to my circumstance and the ways I've suffered to get ahead but ultimately lost all my progress multiple times into my late 30's due to reasons out of my control. A lot of my friends have self deleted, and the only reason I havn't is because of my religious upbringing and physical appearance that has granted me access to a lot of women. I've never considered self deletion as a means of ending my suffering, but I do often wish that I could just not exist. A mantra I keep close to me that always revamps my enthusiasm is the concept of how unlikely it is that I were to be born in this era. Being 36, I got to witness all of modern's technological advancement, and in that same time I've observed the cultural family structure unravel to the point where I know for certain that in 20 years the family structure will become a government who controls it's herd of dumbed down citizens. For this I want to make it as far as I can, so I can share the information I've watched to those born to a new form of society with lack of historical reference. Mental toughness is hard, no matter how down you get, you always have to BELIEVE, not think, but know for certain, that you will make it up again, even if you don't have the answers now, you simply have to put one foot infront of the other every day, until opportunities show up for you to take advantage of. Also life sometimes just isn't fair and you have to accept that you might just die in a car crash before you achieve your goals, and that's how it goes.
@clubadv
@clubadv Ай бұрын
Well I hope you don't feel this way at age 50 as I do now. Never desired self deletion until about now.
@user-fo9xl1gb8h
@user-fo9xl1gb8h 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for your video. Being alone in a negative sense relating to the death drive scenario for me, is when I am not present, and get involved with thinking that is irrational. This happened a lot when I was left alone as a kid, for hours. It was and is now a very negative state, which I don’t wish to continue. I notice it as it is coming on, and get out of it by working out, being around others, cleaning the house and being kind towards myself.
@Eringobragh2024
@Eringobragh2024 6 ай бұрын
I'm exactly the same, friend. Consistent routine and habits staves off the existential dread.
@vonrelevanz1963
@vonrelevanz1963 3 ай бұрын
It's a gift to be young and in good health; to be devoid of pain , both physically and mentally. Losing that makes one wish for death. 'If the game isn't fun any more, switch it off.'
@Dee-iy9uq
@Dee-iy9uq 2 ай бұрын
Your comment reminds me of a quote I saw that read “ A man can die at 25 and won’t be buried until he’s 75.” It signifies that life ends quick long before death arrives. The only thing that’s living between that gap is the death drive through habitual escapism.
@user-dm3hs6sn1t
@user-dm3hs6sn1t 6 ай бұрын
As a miserable man I can assure you that I'm a pain seeker, of course, but I also seek those painful moments through some pleasure such as drugs and stuff. So, with that in mind I don't see two different aspects of human behavior, hedonism and self destruction, I just see one and it's the same thing.
@GloryBlazer
@GloryBlazer 6 ай бұрын
This sounds really profound.
@sunnyquinn3888
@sunnyquinn3888 6 ай бұрын
Where a lot of people get it wrong is assuming that all pleasures are in service of things that support life. Some things like drug abuse can actually be more likely to lead to death, but they give pleasure just the same. It's not even as simple as that. Some things simultaneously lead to life and death. On the individual level, the most pleasurable foods to eat are often "junk foods," which provide some nutrients necessary for life (caloric energy if nothing else), but at the same time when frequently consumed can lead to disease and death from excess sugars, fats, etc. On the level of life as a species, reproduction (or simply sexual gratification) has its risks, especially for women. It sometimes happens that in trying to bring one new individual into the world, a preexisting individual is taken out of it (often taking the new-person-to-be out with her).
@NicholasRees-ic8jx
@NicholasRees-ic8jx 6 ай бұрын
I think you're incredibly correct. Hedonism isn't enjoying life, its denying it.
@brindlekintales
@brindlekintales 4 ай бұрын
Okay, William S. Burroughs.
@br4tb4by
@br4tb4by 3 ай бұрын
My death drive is so strong. I just realized that the reason I went through so much trauma is that I gave up on myself and felt like it doesn’t matter because I’m already broken. You can say that my need for validation has led me to places I wouldn’t go with a gun😂 I’m doing much better now, I feel like I cracked the code to letting go of trauma.
@jayf.6600
@jayf.6600 6 ай бұрын
this has given me so much clarity. thank you for all your work and effort.
@ralphfraz
@ralphfraz 6 ай бұрын
Shoutout to however produced this. The background track is PERFECT for the subject matter and is at a perfect level where it draws you in and enhances the experience by making the content more engaging while avoiding being obnoxious and distracting. Tik tok content creators, THIS is how you do it
@nicholastreadwell3195
@nicholastreadwell3195 6 ай бұрын
I can really relate to thinking birth is negative. Life forced upon us and forced to continue
@craftyspirits2306
@craftyspirits2306 6 ай бұрын
I appreciate this video. Rather than attempting to discuss solutions & teach lessons for how to be better, taking the time to discuss destructive tendencies satisfies my desire for life saving truth & facing my shadow despite it's efforts to stay locked up. To have this topic laid out like this is masterful; not that I expect anything less from this wonderful channel.
@jaredthomas9584
@jaredthomas9584 6 ай бұрын
How do you personally cope with a darker part of yourself that wants to express itself in socially unacceptable ways? Currently struggling with this myself
@craigcolbourn8351
@craigcolbourn8351 6 ай бұрын
This video is one of the most amazing pieces of work! Excellent insight! Very few people discuss this concept.👍🏻
6 ай бұрын
Thank you :)
@movementencouragedfitness5945
@movementencouragedfitness5945 6 ай бұрын
It’s crazy that freuds thoughts are so relevant today. How he talks about listening to a sad song. I also relate to addiction and going back to things I say I hate over and over. Like two entities live within me simultaneously.
@jolodojo
@jolodojo 6 ай бұрын
I do not think there is a death drive, because the ones that are the most active in expressing the behavior you associate with death drive are also the ones that fear death the most. The longing to end the suffering is to me a much more plausibele explanation. And every addiction provides a relief to that anxiety, at least initially.
@SarcasticSplendor
@SarcasticSplendor 5 ай бұрын
This is the comment I was looking for. *There is no such thing as Death Drive* . As for those people who choose to isolate themselves from others, many of them remain their own best friends. Nothing to do at all with wanting to end their lives.
@christophergregory2413
@christophergregory2413 3 ай бұрын
Feeling peaceful at having found this message so kindly articulated and presented. Thank you.
@haianhpham3961
@haianhpham3961 6 ай бұрын
To me death drive is the symptom of spiritual suffering. Just like how our body projects its issues out by showing abnormal conditions, our consciousness and spiritual form would give similar signals to alert you that something is wrong. Try to get to the bottom of your addictions and harmful behaviours, you'll understand what's wrong with you mentally. And yes, sometimes death drive don't mess with you, it instead pushes you into situations where others can hurt you/or you hurt others and be punished for the actions. It's like you're constantly in a mind game with your own consciousness, and the only way to win is to lose.
@hannahherbold9611
@hannahherbold9611 6 ай бұрын
Oh, man! This study really helps me! I'm amazed. I am at the juncture between wanting to live well and wanting oblivion. I like that you pose both as valid. Thank you for the video. It's already helping me. It will continue to affect me. My conclusion right now is that I want to want to enjoy my life. It'll take real effort to cultivate a good life again, but, for now, it's the opportunity before me! Thank you again for your thorough exploration of the crucial matters of thought, feeling, and decision.
@danked6731
@danked6731 3 ай бұрын
There is something beautiful knowing you didn't ask to come into this world but you and you alone have the choice to end it all......
@amandaeubank425
@amandaeubank425 6 ай бұрын
This is making me fret so deeply within ❤ fr I just truly appreciate this narrative perspective! Smile😊
@florintanase-vo6mv
@florintanase-vo6mv 6 ай бұрын
What Freud observed in those soldiers is called PTSD. There's also this thing called Complex PTSD. In CPTSD you don't have visual flashbacks you have emotional flashbacks. Just a smell or the tone in someone's voice can put you in a depressed, anxious, fearful, disgusted... state and you have now ideea what just happened or where that came from. It's a complex topic .... Pete Walker (if I remember correctly) wrote an amazing book about it.
@evadebruijn
@evadebruijn 6 ай бұрын
Yes, Pete Walker is his name, the title is CPTSD from surviving to thriving. He has a disclaimer somewhere in the book that thriving is not in the cards for everyone, no matter how hard they work on healing. So I guess it is back to acceptance again? I'm still not sure what I truly think/feel about the quote but it intrigues me: Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Other highly recommended authors on cptsd are Judith Herman (iirc she was the first) Bessel Vanderkolk and Gabor Mate. ✌️
@dee5298
@dee5298 6 ай бұрын
The David Benatar quote about fearing children suffering in their life is pretty spot on for me. It has kept me up regularly since my first child was born. All a parent can do is make their childhood good and try to raise children able to survive the trials ahead, ideally in a healthy way. I am also trying to raise them to not have my inherent recklessness.
@acatfrompoland5230
@acatfrompoland5230 4 ай бұрын
Teaching them about the probable pain love can bring is important
@catharinepizzarello4784
@catharinepizzarello4784 3 ай бұрын
I have this drive very powerfully. It is held tightly to my curiosity. Insatiable hunger for knowledge. This is why I can't go just yet. I am so fortunate to exist at this time when I can explore, learn and create with this device I hold in my hand. Death is always here, smiling and offering her hand. I smile back.
@J_McPhearsom
@J_McPhearsom 3 ай бұрын
Yes! True for me as well. I’ll spare you my long, painful backstory, but the only reason I keep deciding to “be here” really comes down to being curious what tomorrow looks like. I’ve learned to “weaponize” that curiousity against the SI and ramifications of major chronic medical burdens. Even if tomorrow comes and is as miserable as the last, holding out curiosity from what the next day may bring regardless. It’s one thing I can say to those younger than me to urge them to hang in there. Life can throw some terrible curveballs, but there are also good people out there willing to help “lift you up” if you ask for help. One woman (a stranger then) unexpectedly helped me out and was incredibly generous to me, at a time when I thought it was all over, and she helped “prove” to me that, in darkest times, it was worth it to hold on and be curious for better days and chance for something new, relief from physical & mental pain, or another fleeting moment of contentment. Today, I’m happy to have connected with your comment about the effect of curiosity on this mentality, and that I’m not alone in that sentiment. Even if I don’t choose to end things, my incurable brain & spine tumor might any day w/o warning. With the pain and symptoms it can be hard to be grateful to still be alive sometimes, but curiosity, that comes much easier. ❤
@fadeshade
@fadeshade 6 ай бұрын
I love this channel, always gives me something to think about. I imagine the "call of the void" might fit quite nicely within the definition of a death drive. Might even be one of the better examples, because it's one of the few times you have a chance to consciously recognize your own thought patterns. It's always a weird shock to the psycho-system that makes me think "why do I think that?"
@metamorphoton
@metamorphoton 6 ай бұрын
Our brains/bodies have not evolved to respond functionally to intense, prolonged painful stimulus like one is exposed to in war, military occupation, or genocide. We are stunting our collective development with these sorts of violences and we (and all other life) lose precious steps for becoming better than we currently are. An end to war, an end to polarization across various demographics, an end to constant extraction of the earth - these are necessary for our sustained life. I hope we collectively understand this as soon as possible.
@tobyjuanbaloney
@tobyjuanbaloney 6 ай бұрын
I needed to hear this today. Thanks!
@bopshi
@bopshi 6 ай бұрын
This video was fantastic, I needed this, thank you ❤. I feel like I understand this wholly
@user-xd5js4wb4d
@user-xd5js4wb4d 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for this. I have new understanding about why it is so hard to be human. It is the pervasive tension that makes me want to be inert. I will look into the thinkers you mention here. I am a big Schopenhauer fan already. What a grump!
@michaelchristian64
@michaelchristian64 6 ай бұрын
I have been contemplating this concept in my entire career of self-destructive behaviors. I called it microsuicide dan then found out it was a real terminology used.
@adamandsteve13
@adamandsteve13 6 ай бұрын
I think most of those philosophers were depressed. During my depressive episodes i think life is suffering, i'd be glad to not exist. But during my happy episodes i enjoy life, even the most simple things
@shasmi93
@shasmi93 5 ай бұрын
That is why 99% of philosophers and therapist even study the fields. They are super depressed, and they want to figure out why and how to change it.
@charlesmenzies8153
@charlesmenzies8153 6 ай бұрын
This is the most meaningful video I ever heard...... We are all trying to escape from realty
@TheGreyGhost_of43rd
@TheGreyGhost_of43rd 6 ай бұрын
Beautiful video ❤ love the upbeat atmosphere you bring out
@nicolebogda1482
@nicolebogda1482 6 ай бұрын
Always believed that every human has a death wish, whether they realize it or not. It is beyond consciousness. The story of Icarus was always one of my favorites~
@evadebruijn
@evadebruijn 6 ай бұрын
To me it feels like homesickness, to a place I don't know where it is or even whether it even exists, but a homesick type feeling nonetheless.
@oldmanhendo7183
@oldmanhendo7183 6 ай бұрын
@@evadebruijnI agree 100%. Homesick is the best way to put it. I always felt the exact same way. I hope there’s a real “place” we all came from, but there could just be nothing after this 🤷‍♂️
@daheikkinen
@daheikkinen 6 ай бұрын
Well this didn’t help my depression. *takes a drink 🥃
@SofaKingShit
@SofaKingShit 6 ай бұрын
😟+💊=😀!
@runswithraptors
@runswithraptors 6 ай бұрын
Alcohol causes depression, careful
@MattAngiono
@MattAngiono 6 ай бұрын
Go for a walk in nature! Or exercise, but that might be hard with a beer in your hand, although my friends and I do it far too often
@antonibertolacci7030
@antonibertolacci7030 6 ай бұрын
Alcohol is great until it’s all over ,depression the next day , for me anyway !
@cobyrudell5595
@cobyrudell5595 3 ай бұрын
I have been offline for a year and a bit now only have KZfaq to stay somewhat in the loop. I went through a stage where being alone was very difficult and I craved attention couldn’t be on my own. But as time passed I found some beautiful and comfort being alone, being with my thoughts understanding and realising who my true friends are and building strong relationships with the people around me. It’s okay to be alone pain is apart of the process of being the best version of you. Make sure you reach out if you need help good luck and lots of love.
@Scapegrace74
@Scapegrace74 6 ай бұрын
"Life sucks and then you die."
@Zyndall
@Zyndall 2 ай бұрын
I thought it was "life's a bitch and then you die that's why I get high cuz ya never know when ya gonna go" "that buck that a bottle could struck the lotto"
@TheLacedaemonian300
@TheLacedaemonian300 6 ай бұрын
One concept that always comes to mind when speaking on the subject of death is that of Ernest Becker, and The Denial of Death. I'm wondering how the two concepts of death drive and death denial can work within the same frame of metaphysics. Has anyone talked about that? Great video, it's going to have me thinking for many hours to come!
@happygolucky1320
@happygolucky1320 6 ай бұрын
Was thinking the same. Please share if you make any progress regarding this question.
@Johny40Se7en
@Johny40Se7en 6 ай бұрын
Denial of Death is often the tandem of an amazing high you get from seeking thrills. Just knowing when to stop is what's crucial! Some just don't, or they're bad at weighing out the pros and cons 😅😝
@melissabadaoui986
@melissabadaoui986 6 ай бұрын
💚🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
@jaredthomas9584
@jaredthomas9584 6 ай бұрын
@@Johny40Se7en Can you give a negative example of this? The not being able to weigh out the pros and cons
@Johny40Se7en
@Johny40Se7en 6 ай бұрын
@@jaredthomas9584 Being impulsive when it comes to anything. Prime example being something as simple as gambling, taking a narcotic, it's like people say to themselves "Oh, I'll only do it once", or "It's nothing major", then they get a little high, and it becomes addiction to them, where they're haemorrhaging money, or life...
@carbon1479
@carbon1479 6 ай бұрын
5:41 - Terror management runs very deep. In this context, even just in childhood, having responsibilities of any kind is already a ward against the death drive. To see yourself as the guardian of your own well being and seeing your own well being as your responsibility, also a massive protection from it. All of these systems end up in confusion though if one finds themselves in a place where death would be preferable, especially in mid-life and even early adulthood. This is where people put such a distance on it, not only based on fear of death but death = failure, failure = bad, failure = status destruction, all of that rolls up.
@minkorrh
@minkorrh 6 ай бұрын
This is quite pertinent. As a 55 year old man, I have a penchant for beer which only has manifested itself within the past 4 years, since my mother died, Dad was 9 years prior. I can drink 6-8 hi test beers per night (6-8% abv), even on a workday, and have often wondered if I'm doing it on purpose, as I know the results and issue that come with excessive alcohol consump[tion. This is a daily occurrence, and It needs to stop.
@shasmi93
@shasmi93 5 ай бұрын
Bro. I’d stop. I was a severe alcoholic for 15 years…. 15-30 years old too, so my body was in its prime. It was the nastiest disease and one of the most MISERABLE ways a human can exist. I wouldn’t wish alcoholism on my very worst enemy. You will either die and quick, or have to get sober. Both are extremely painful. I’d pick ANY other drug than alcohol to abuse… just so you know.
@allseeingotto2912
@allseeingotto2912 3 ай бұрын
I went through a hellish time when my wife and I divorced, she alienated my kids from me and took every measure she could to destroy me ,it would’ve been so easy just to buy alcohol and get wasted , but I chose to buy a new gravel bike and get fitter than ever , that’s the best middle finger to her and the system.
@TheGeenat
@TheGeenat 3 ай бұрын
From one recovering addict to (it sounds like) another, thank you for this video and the example of addiction as a possible manifestation of the death drive. I never knew there was literature on the matter, but it’s something that I personally noted throughout my life, particularly in addiction, but also preceding the use of drugs. I wasn’t usually suicidal exactly, but I always had a drive towards death. It’s with me still at 40, but it’s less noticeable.
@MasterFlores35
@MasterFlores35 6 ай бұрын
Amazing essay Einzelgänger. Not a topic I particularly agree with but never the less it was beautiful to listen to. 🤙🏼💙
@ingifreisson1546
@ingifreisson1546 6 ай бұрын
thank you for your videos. Always so accurate
@melissabadaoui986
@melissabadaoui986 6 ай бұрын
💚🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
@joeo4008
@joeo4008 6 ай бұрын
Wow..just...Wow!, literally the most important video I have ever witnessed on KZfaq. It looks at our shadows deepest spark of thought. Is this 'game' worth it in this moment? A question so unsettling most never dare to Glace at it, let alone analyze that which is in all of us. Respect!😮
@MattAngiono
@MattAngiono 6 ай бұрын
It's a question worth answering! Overcome your fear of death and you can truly be alive in this finite experience! Samurai used to meditate on their death every day. I think that's how they lived so fearlessly!
@joeo4008
@joeo4008 6 ай бұрын
​@@MattAngiono, I truly agree, if You go deep enough into it _ you find only freedom and a joy for a real unfettered life. It's hard to explain to certain people's but having death as a true friend makes every day a gift! That's the real brain scrambler...but we learn from dichotomy, that's a key, and if you want to know life... know it's twin. 🤠
@mikavinci
@mikavinci 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for another amazing video 🙏🏼
@nihilisticinquisition7150
@nihilisticinquisition7150 6 ай бұрын
“But at the bottom, the immanent philosopher sees in the entire universe only the deepest longing for absolute annihilation, and it is as if he clearly hears the call that permeates all spheres of heaven: Redemption! Redemption! Death to our life! and the comforting answer: you will all find annihilation and be redeemed!” ― Philipp Mainländer, Die Philosophie der Erlösung
@stiqula
@stiqula 6 ай бұрын
The death drive isn't real. Evolutionarily it can't exist. Instead, this phenomenon you're describing is simply still the pleasure drive. It only takes on this extreme from when one's life is so terrible there is no pleasure, then death seems like the ultimate step to finding peace at last. Also, in the case of masochism, look up the definition. It's seeking PLEASURE from pain. Same as listening to sad music. You're feeling something. Sadness yes, but you are still feeling one of the great aspects of life: Feelings... Which you clearly value more than numbness or else you would not listen to feel them.
@petey611
@petey611 6 ай бұрын
It's a false sense of having "control", sad things will happen but at least this (listening to sad music) I can control
@Vapourwear
@Vapourwear 6 ай бұрын
Why can’t it exist exactly? Being fittest may mean dying at the right time. Apoptosis keeps you alive by killing the individual cell. It makes perfect evolutionary sense that a death drive may exist in a larger organism.
@mary-joypugh3143
@mary-joypugh3143 6 ай бұрын
You are mistaken that evolutionarily it can't exist--it absolutely can, and does. I suggest you look into the sizeable research that exists on animal species with self-destruction built into their genetics.
@krampusthunderstick3729
@krampusthunderstick3729 3 ай бұрын
You don't know what you're talking about.
@hazelbarnstar9731
@hazelbarnstar9731 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the heads up. I’ll check it out when I’m feeling better
@markovmily6950
@markovmily6950 6 ай бұрын
Nice vid. The thing you missed about death is fundamentally, that death does not bring relief. One does not *feel* the absence of pain, and with that, peace and relief. People have the tendency to imagine a weight falling off of them, as if to be released from their burdens. However death does not give this release. You may simply suffer until you are gone.
@TheMightyHammer
@TheMightyHammer 6 ай бұрын
What’s always kept me optimistic about living is the fact that I am conscious, I can think, and I can feel. I can wonder about life and reality’s many curious quirks. If I am dead, I can’t do any of those things. Who’s to say I wouldn’t wish to go back to living once I am dead, should I be given the chance to have that wish? I am young, so I look forward to a long and memorable life. Internal and external expectations of me are slowly killing me though. Wish me good fortune and health.
@brindlekintales
@brindlekintales 4 ай бұрын
> Who’s to say I wouldn’t wish to go back to living once I am dead To a rotten world like this?
@TheMightyHammer
@TheMightyHammer 4 ай бұрын
@@brindlekintales I’m sorry to hear that’s been your experience so far
@theunbreaking
@theunbreaking 6 ай бұрын
I’ve just been learning about the death drive. It’s so fascinating.
@supremereader7614
@supremereader7614 6 ай бұрын
That was a beautiful video. You make some of the best videos on youtube. I wonder if it is ethical to bring life into this world also, but at least your video brought me joy.
@gonnfishy2987
@gonnfishy2987 2 ай бұрын
Needed to see this video! I have had an overwhelming death-drive since i had my first recollections. Don’t know why. All i remember from early childhood was boredom and a wish to make myself not exist. 😀 it explains everything about my life since…
@Ripkittymi
@Ripkittymi 6 ай бұрын
I see death as something that is beautiful. Everything is a cycle.
@proprietarycurez8463
@proprietarycurez8463 6 ай бұрын
You might be a psychopath.
@MattAngiono
@MattAngiono 6 ай бұрын
I go back and forth on this... Even that's a cycle lol
@G-G9
@G-G9 6 ай бұрын
Boom, you drop the bomb of loneliness and social isolation right at the end. I was feeling all smug and detached. Surely my circumstance is the result of measures beyond my control. But now I’m going to have to review my choices
@tappytibbon927
@tappytibbon927 6 ай бұрын
This was my introduction to your content. Technology is too invasive, and this was recommended to me. I'm 40 and I struggle pretty hard with drugs and alcohol, I'm rather blasted currently to be honest. Nonetheless I'm commenting that with what I already told you about myself, that this did seem to naturally resonate with me. I'll be sure to catch more of your vids, thank you.
@beastoftalvar
@beastoftalvar 4 ай бұрын
Really good my friend. Love your content. And I think you are right with a lot of things. To put it simpler: why do people go to sleep? Because it allows them to escape their consciousness for a little while. And death does so too, ultimately.
@derbucherwurm
@derbucherwurm 6 ай бұрын
I have depression so this is a great video for me!
@rogergr5019
@rogergr5019 6 ай бұрын
When I have depression episodes I realize that I live in reality again. People that never have trouble with it live in dream world chasin hedonism. But at some point we all realize what life is about: suffering.
@MattAngiono
@MattAngiono 6 ай бұрын
I have in the past... The main solutions for me are nature, creativity (art or music), and exercise. You can even mix them together! Just try to think outside your box. The Tao de Ching is immensely helpful with that IMHO Cheers
@acatfrompoland5230
@acatfrompoland5230 4 ай бұрын
Suffering through depression myself for a while, but I was able to ignore it after I got into a relationship which I can only explain as extremely blissful. Well either way no matter how good my partner was, I never changed and my mental state and it ruined the relationship; causing its end. Even though I had so much, I still developed self destructive behavior. My depression is back and at an all time high, currently figuring out if I am weak enough to admit that I am not able to endure life’s smallest challenges.
@iamnama999
@iamnama999 6 ай бұрын
my uncle literally just drank himself to death yesterday. interesting timing for this video.
@thatguy4087
@thatguy4087 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for the heads up I’ll watch the rest of the video different day
@noahderstand
@noahderstand 6 ай бұрын
Went to a metaphysical therapist once who opened me to the concept of being happy for sad and sad for happy. It explains itself if you think about it as a subconscious drive. That there be fulfillment at the prospect of pain and destruction as well as feeling bereft when the joys of life come. She meant it was a curse.
@krampusthunderstick3729
@krampusthunderstick3729 3 ай бұрын
No, it doesn't explain itself if you think about it as a subconscious drive.
@noahderstand
@noahderstand 3 ай бұрын
@@krampusthunderstick3729 that's all the information you can offer, maybe it's not a subconscious drive but what else is under the surface making us act in ways we're not aware. Only on the subconscious can happy be made sad.
@thesilenceofthesnowinsumme1463
@thesilenceofthesnowinsumme1463 6 ай бұрын
Very good one 👏👏👏 definitely super interesting.
@graywilliams_77.
@graywilliams_77. 5 ай бұрын
Understanding personal finances and investing will most likely lead to greater financial independence. By being knowledgeable about money and investing, individuals can make informed decisions about how to save, spend, and invest their money. A trader made over $350k in this recession influenced market..
@user-xp6sc6su9c
@user-xp6sc6su9c 5 ай бұрын
Please who is the consultant that assist you with your investment and if you don't mind, how do I get in touch with this person..
@user-xp6sc6su9c
@user-xp6sc6su9c 5 ай бұрын
I am going to look her up, I have about $81k i want to start with, might be small but it's better than nothing though. Since the 08 crash is playing out again..
@Michael-fs9kt
@Michael-fs9kt 5 ай бұрын
Yes, now that you have explained it, I can see the return in investing in investing in a good coffin.
@Michael-fs9kt
@Michael-fs9kt 5 ай бұрын
The guy's talking about death and you guys are talking about investments. If you guys invest wisely, you can get time time off in purgatory for your sins....
@boschi33
@boschi33 6 ай бұрын
At 6:13 your remarks reminded me of Camus' concept of the acceptance of the absurd. The absurd is also described as the meaningless existence (or something like that). Death, according to your description, is also a place without meaning, value, goal, worries, etc. The question that arises for me is whether the acceptance of the absurd according to Camus is related to the acceptance of death or even to a death wish. I'd be curious to hear what you have to say about that. Great video, as always :)
@arcvertigo
@arcvertigo 6 ай бұрын
can you share the source of making this video? or is it just the book Freud published? or perhaps there's other book? and how do you compile it? thank you so much
@ShangaelThunda222
@ShangaelThunda222 6 ай бұрын
Thanatos.... from a whisper to a scream, his words get louder every day.
@scubasteve743
@scubasteve743 6 ай бұрын
Perhaps feeling pain is better than not feeling at all
@n2bfw884
@n2bfw884 4 ай бұрын
Excellent video. Thank you.
@alexforrest4551
@alexforrest4551 6 ай бұрын
Good videos again and again. Thank you my friend ❤
@Sloffytoffy
@Sloffytoffy 6 ай бұрын
"Why do you keep banging your head against the wall?" "It feels good when i stop."
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