I mostly tested them both from a desktop amplifier and the difference in power was around 1 or 2 hours. I've used my HD600 and the 6XX with my phone and didn't really find them THAT bad. Glad you're enjoying the 58X!

How is the soundstage with gaming? I play mostly FPS

@@robertckassow8445 Soundstage is much less important for FPS than imaging. Imaging is excellent. Wide soundstage makes positional cues very hard to distinguish, intimate presentation with excellent imaging is what you want and what both the 6xx and 58x excel at.

@@jasonfranciosa Are you running any Amp / DAC with your HD58X? If so, what are you using? I plan on buying either a Mayflower O2 or Mayflower ARC. Main reasoning is so I can boost the treble on the 58X and use them to their full potential. Many individual, within their reviews have said they if I do get an DAC to go for the HD6XX? However, I am one about looks and sound. The color is bad with the HD6XX and I'm not sure if the enhanced treble would be best with fps. I'm new to all this, lol

@@robertckassow8445 for gaming the AKG 702, 701, 7xx 100%. The soundstage and imaging is pin point for gaming and best out there for gaming

How to do that? Sorry, it's a silly question but I feel like trying it.

go watch Z review on youtube on the 58x, he removed the foam

I've tried this and I actually prefer them with the foam.

@@DjSubstar I prefered it (most music) with the foam But metal music "seemed" better without.

@@lolallahu628 I own a pair and you dont even need to take the ear pads off to take the back off

My thoughts exactly. Close to being an all-rounder, but not quite.

Thanks my dude!

which K.Guss if I may ask?

Yeah, definitely agree that the K7XX are not the best HP for the price out there. But that SS and relaxed sound sig makes them an absolute keeper for anything that isn't music! Still though, I doubt I'd use mine for music anymore lol

Sounds like what I use my Phillips sph9500s for. Too harsh for music but great clarity for movies and gaming... and super comfortable. My 58x are my go to music phones.

AKG 7xx needs a good amp. It is a headphone that sounds COMPLETELY different when properly amped. Contrary to common beliefs that 7xx does not need much powerful amp due to its low impedance, it is its low sensibility that requires more amount of current to bring its full potential. 7xx has a unique characteristic that has not so high or low resistance(62ohms), and not so high or low sensibility(105dB/V) which makes it relatively difficult to drive. Amps should be able to produce at least 100mW @ 300 ohms or 1Watt @ 32 ohms to properly feed K7xx. When I first fed K7xx with Fiio E17k, I was so disappointed with its tinny and thin sounds this cans produced. Especially with treble being so harsh. It was clear evidence that K7xx was under amped. When I upgraded the amp with a much more powerful one, the difference was a night and day. It added so much body to all frequencies which made the sound so much richer and fuller.

lol I just used my s9 plus. Thanks though!

I’m shocked to learn that's all from your s9 plus! Excellent sq! Great comparison review as well by the way!

@@chuckolatte600 i think he was being sarcastic

I've found some pretty cheap yet capable portable dac/amps to balance that out, but yeah, it looks to be the case from everything I've seen.

@@BoricuaBoy88 no need. With the Galaxy S10, you can customize the amp in the settings

@@trojen2429 what i think @boricuaboy88 means is that in order to run the 6xx's you will need a DAC/amp since they are 300ohm headphones and a regular phone would not be able to give it the power they need to function properly. The 58x's are 150ohm and could be powered properly by a phone or a ps4 / xbox controller which makes it great if u wanna game or plug em into your phone n jam out if you go out.

Build You Up I basically agree with you. I did get an HD58X because I thought it played nicer with my phone. But HD 600 with my stereo is magical

@@trojen2429 wait how??? I have an s10+, can you tell me how I can fiddle with the amp settings?

That's just branding applied by Massdrop (or now Drop) to differentiate between the original product and their iteration of it).

Sorry, didn't get to try this when I had them. My issue with them wasn't really the sound signature, it was more about the better quality the 6xx had to offer for a difference of $50 USD.

I wouldn’t recommend it because the highs are already some of the highest in the Sennheiser lineup. Unless you’re that type of person i guess, & don’t care for the bass

Don't you break the foam whiel removing it? if you can just slide it in right away after you teste them a bit without foam it will be dope

JUST removing that foam covering the diver does nothing to the sound. Solderdudes review has a download that shows it does nothing.

True but the purpose of these Headphones is the low bass -no soundstage-warm highs , there are so many other models that have wide soundstage and more highs . If you need something like that go with 990PRO and not the HD58X . Every Open back headphone can get different sound with different foam materials , I have placed or change foams to many of them and the more thick the foam is the more bass u have but that changes all the freq.

OR...you could say it's a great excuse to get the 6XX/600/650

To me, the HD600 are simply the best out of the HD6x0 line. But yes, they are quite similar to the 58X. Only go for the HD600 if you can sell your HD58X at a decent price/repurpose them.

You will lose bass. Some say the 58's sound better- but better is subjective. Not enough difference to change.

@@chuckolatte600 interesting . Not many preferred the 600 over the 6xx or 650

That's a tough one. None of these REALLY excel at fps gaming, but if anything the k7xx would be best due to its wide soundstage. They're all great though, and I would consider your music preferences as a priority, unless fps gaming is more important to you.

chuckolatte ok but can i use it with my Goxlr it will give perfect power becouse i dont like to buy and amp and dac only i like to use Goxlr Thanks brother Now i will pay hd58x and k7xx 🤣 But im worry about the power if I connect them to goxlr

chuckolatte yes only the important for footsteps directions in Rainbow six seige so which is better for that brother ?

@@user-yk2wb2zo8xProbably. Doesn't state what the output is on Amazon, but at that price, I'd expect to at least be competent.

chuckolatte i paird akg k7xx and Hd58x from ebay with 200$ used like new for together but i hope they will work perfectly with my Goxlr or my sound blaster E5

Yeah, particularly since the upgraded cable is balanced XLR. As far as I remember, it gave the 6xx a little extra sparkle in the highs (without introducing extra sibilance) and controlled the low end to be cleaner yet still juicy. IF you have the 6xx, I strongly recommend running them balanced.

What amp are you using, now you got me interested in using XLR cables.

The Aune X7S. It's a really awesome amp considering it offers very clean audio, balanced audio, and offers preouts. Two downsides to it: 1. The preouts don't mute when you have a headphone plugged in (meaning if you have speakers connected to them, you'd have to turn them off manually to only use the headphones). 2. While it is balanced audio (and does make a difference over 1/4 inch in most cases), it is not "TRUE" balanced because it does not offer balanced XLR inputs for your DAC (which btw, should also be balanced to receive "true" balanced audio. Not really worth going that extra mile, which makes the X7S so attractive. I.e., if you're using the 6xx, running them balanced is a no-brainer. GO FOR IT.

Yes absolutely 100%

Sell the 58x 100%

Teh 58x and 6xx have a similar sound. Although I think I'd prefer the 6xx, I wouldn't upgrade just for that. Wait for a more substantial upgrade

I still prefer the 6XX over the 58X but it depends on whether you buy them new/used. Just know that the 6XX has a more euphonic sound as opposed to the 58X's more "stale" sound. Not as bad as I made them sound though lol. 58X has better bass extension.

Mmm more of a sidegrade in quality. The main difference lies in the sound signature. The 58x offer a warmer response than the 560s but the 560s have a cleaner sound to them

A lot. Accuracy, detail, smoothness, quality

@@chuckolatte600 thanks for the reply

I upgraded to the 58x from the 9500 and DAMN was it worth it!!! They're what I expected the SHP9500 to sound like.

Nah, I just think the 58x would be easier to power. I've tried using both through my s9 plus -- both sounded decent, but the difference between them in terms of quality converged a bit.

Don't believe chuckolatte's reply, he's a liar. I have the 58X, and I had the hd600 for a very long time, the 58X is better than both the 600 & 650, trust me. New driver, custom tuned, superb sound. The 6XX is terrible

Wow Axel you sound like an expert, why don't you make KZfaq videos and let us see and hear your professional opinion.

Andrew McCorkell 😂 Yes, Axle and I have differing opinions on the 6XX

@@MrFarre90 your comparing a 6xx with a 600 dollar amp to a 58x alone...... Idk what to say to your analogy.

For more vocal detail? Yep! For clarity? I think Sundara might be the better choice here...

open-back > closed-back for gaming

58x of course

Hd58x and get a creative labs gaming dac for 7.1 surround

Wow that's interesting, my opinion is an exact 180 degrees from yours lol

Yeah, I kinda forgot to do that since it was only a rumor at the time. Don't have them anymore.

The HD600 are my preference between the two, but they might be too similar to the HD58X to be considered an "upgrade". So if you're looking for the more "different" option go with the Sundara

@@chuckolatte600 Excellent, thanks!

AKG for sure, but you can get audiotechnica 700x for much cheaper and it will be almost as good for gaming, but musically 700x isnt great

I'd definitely recommend the k7xx for gaming rather than either sennheisers. The k7xx have a wider soundstage and more comfortable sound signature, so you won't hear any peaks in the sound. You won't go wrong with either though.

@@chuckolatte600 Do they( K7XX ) need an external DAC to drive or just plugging them in to my Onboard audio card should be fine ?

I'd definitely recommend an external DAC to get the best out of them. If need be however, use them off onboard while you're able to get an amp@@themountainguy

@@chuckolatte600 thank you , and also can you suggest him a portable DAC , I wasn't able to find a good one

Most of the reviewers say that its easier to run the HD 58X easily using your smartphones even without a DAC , but the HD 6XX definitely needs an AMP

@@themountainguy I see. If thats the case, which one should I get? Fiio A5 (>150mW @300ohm) or Topping NX4 (114mW @300ohm) or Creative Sound Blaster E5 for portability. I might get the HD 6XX in the future so might as well get an AMP that could support it.

@@Keane-fh2pc I had the similar query and after much of research and asking in few forums , many suggested me to buy these Massdrop O2 + SDAC DAC/Amp the drop is not yet available but it would be back anytime. This can drive most of your headphones.

@@themountainguy Thanks for the suggestion but this is a desktop AMP right? If possible I would love a portable ones as I do listen to my headphone while doing other stuffs at home.

True. However, the LG quad dac will ALMOST give the 6XX their entire power. You can totally just use the 6XX with your LG phone, then plug into a desktop amp for the absolute 100% experience.@@themountainguy

Björn Nordin I know you want his answer, but I'll give you some advice: don't get balanced. There have been plenty of tests showing that there is almost no difference between balance and unbalanced connections on short runs. If, say you use a small studio room and you keep your pc and setup out in another room, then you should go balanced because over long distance unbalanced cables pick up electrical interference. And even then, you'd might not notice a difference. Balanced doesn't add resolution, it just lowers interference. There's plenty of unbalanced cables that have extremely low interference as well and for a lot cheaper than balanced cables. BUT, the aune x7s does have a powerful balanced output and if you need something like that it's a good option. I suspect that a lot of people conflate the difference between high power and low power with balanced outputs because that balanced outputs are traditionally more powerful than their unbalanced counterparts. So, of course, they think the difference is in the balanced configuration as opposed to their headphones just finally being driven properly. You can look up the graphs, and I recommend that you do, as you'll find that the distortion is almost identical and definitely escapes our hearing ability. The Placebo might help your experience tho

Thx for the reply, it was kind of what i was looking for actually. I understand that there should be some benefits to get balanced cables for interferens problems, but my hopes where that i should gain a massive jump in sound quality also. Ahh well, i save a few on the dac/amp section and perhaps move on to some Beyer DT 1990 instead. Again, thank you for the answer and have a nice day.

Sorry, kinda late but here's my input! I own the x7s but not the x1s. From what I've heard about the x1s, it's a really good DAC, but kind of a weak amp. Therefore, I believe the x7s may be worth the money for you. To my ears, running them balanced had little to no effect on sound quality with the 58x. If it's about the interference, go balanced. If not, I'd rather spend on a Schiit amp for a similar price.

chuckolatte btw there's a simple mod that you can do to the headphones that will make them sound very similar to the 660s. so basiclly you'll have a 660s for a margin of the price.

And if I'm not mistaken the 660s sounds better than the 6xx so....ya

They might be a little more dynamic and comfortable than the HD560s, but I feel the HD560s have the better sound signature

I don't know if I'd say the 58X is "more balanced", but I'd definitely agree that the 58X has more musicality. If music is your concern however, I'd honestly go for the 6XX. Both are great though.

@@chuckolatte600 k I'll save 50 bucks and get the 58x. Don't you mean 6xx has more musicality?

Yeah actually, I'd recommend the 6xx over the 58x in the majority of cases

So here's the beauty of the 600 and 6XX...although you may achieve a loud enough volume on your setup and may sound great, it will scale with better equipment for sure. So you can get them for this setup and be satisfied, but the day you decide to upgrade to a desktop setup (use balanced plz), you definitely won't regret it . They become an entirely new HP.

Attach antlion audio modmic or an external mic always works for me

Agreed, either use a modmic or use an external mic (look up info on which should work better for your setup and arrangement).

Ok so I have experience with TWO of the three on your list. Given your needs, I'd recommend the 6XX first, the K7XX second, the 58X third, and the 4XX fourth. Here's why: 1. To me, the 6XX sound the best out of all these (especially music). They also have the best build quality out of the four. I used my 6XX for gaming and listen to music. They don't have a MASSIVE soundstage, but they are quite accurate which makes them awesome for FPS games IMO. As far as their bass goes, I enjoyed it. What other people mean by saying that their bass isn't that good is just that it isn't massive and pounding. It does extend relatively deep though. I listened to all sorts of music with them though--no problems and still enjoyed EDM on them. Also, these are best for vocals. I think you'd be fine with no big bass since it makes the overall sound smoother, richer, and more detailed. 2. I recommend the K7XX because to me they sound similar to the 58X but offer "better" build quality and MUCH BETTER comfort. Keep in mind, you'll need an amp for all of these except for the 58X. Massive soundstage so perfect for games, has a tiny extra bump in the subbass which you'll definitely benefit from for EDM. 3. The 58X still sound really good, but build quality is not as good as on the 6XX and are not as comfortable as the K7XX. However, if you are never planning on getting an amp (which I STRONGLY recommend getting for 99% of headphones out there), you may want to consider these. 4. I've heard decent things about the 4XX's sound but TERRIBLE things about their build quality. Automatic plan Z right there, I'd rather go for any of these other three. Hope this helps, man!

@@chuckolatte600 thank you soooooo much! However I've heard that the k7xx is less forgiving for lesser quality audio but I've also heard that the hd6xx is harder to drive with say your phone or even a good amp. I've also heard that the build quality specifically wires inside of the cans of the k7xx are quite fragile. So long as none of those bad things are true I will be quite happy and I agree with what you said about the he4xx I will knock that off my list. Also out of those two which is the better one for 3D sound? It comes in to use a lot for gaming but surprisingly also comes in to use quite a bit for music I've noticed. Also if you don't mind I've had a little trouble identifying exactly what part of my songs are sub-bass, probably because I'm only listening to my music currently Through My hyperx Cloud Core 1 headset, which has great audio don't get me wrong but it's nowhere near clear enough to hear the difference between mids and bases in some cases hence why I'm upgrading. EDIT:I also don't know what this "Sennheiser veil" is either

1. I don't find the K7XX to be so unforgiving. I've had mine for about a year and a half now and I use them for pretty much everything except for gaming (just because I prefer to use my hd600 for gaming with music). 2. I've used the 6XX with my phone. It's doable and I don't think you'd complain but I DEFINITELY would suggest getting an amp for them asap. BTW I've found the K7XX to be a little harder to drive than the 6XX, if not just as hard. 3. As far as 3D sound goes, it really depends. K7XX have a wider soundstage (the sounds feel more like they're around you rather than right next to you), but 6XX have a more accurate soundstage (easier to pinpoint enemies' location in games). At that point, it's just a matter of choice between wide vs. accurate. 4. Sub-bass isn't something you hear, it's more something you feel. The rumble, per se. 5. Sennheiser veil is perceived by some to be a bit of a roll-off in the highs which removes some abrasiveness but also detail. I've heard this veil in the 6XX but didn't found it to lose detail. It just made the headphone a smoother listen. Don't worry about that veil, just understand that the 6XX are slightly darker and warmer than the K7XX. Hope it helps!

@@chuckolatte600 thank you so much man I think I'm going to go with the hd6xx because I do prefer a tighter more accurate and clear sound

Wise choice, my man. I would too! I seriously doubt you'll be disappointed--ESPECIALLY for their price and price-to-performance ratio.

If we're talking bigger bass and better extension, the 58X. BUT, if we're talking about quality, the 6XX do when powered efficiently.

@@chuckolatte600 how does the bass response of K7XX compare against these two ?

@@bandhanjha8563 It is pretty deep, but not as much. Bass quality is better on either Sennheiser, if I recall correctly,.

Haven't heard the K712 pro yet, not sure. If I had to guess though, I'd say you are better off switching to a Sundara instead. Or an HD600/6XX.

I've personally never been to an audio shop (because the city I live in isn't cool that way), so I'm not sure what that experience is like. However, I do believe that if you want to get the full picture of what the 6xx sound like, you definitely need to power them with at LEAST a budget amp.

I would say the 58X with the foam removed would be better.

Thanks for your advice. However, I have ordered the HD6XX because it was in stock, and I believe it is the right choice for me right now.

I think both are equally open, but if you're looking for the more fun of the two, go with the 58X (although the only extra "fun" part for me was the low end). I still prefer the 6xx out of the two. Their sound seems a bit clearer to my ears (although the warmer of the two) Either way, can't go wrong with either!

Thanks. I bought the HD6XX a couple of days ago. Really looking forward to hearing it. I also have a Massdrop O2 amp and Topping D10 DAC coming soon.

Nice, let me know how they sound!

I'd say they were right about the same. I noticed no significant amount of discrepancy between each leak level.

Hmm, haven't heard about that mod. I think it's just the drivers themselves--they're excellent HPs, but they're not QUITE at the level of HD600/HD6XX

Many say that mod makes it sound identical to the 600. Maybe cutting and removing only half the foam per ear cup will be the best of both worlds. The foam traps some bass.

@@MOAB-UT Hmmm

IMO, definitely the case. The advantages the 6xx have on the k7xx are that extra resolution, better imaging, and more accurate soundstage. Plus, that juicier sound signature makes most music extra enjoyable.

Yeah, thanks for pointing that out man! I agree with you, definitely a thing to consider. He didn't ask about that though, so I didn't mention it in my response.

I have the O2+SDAC to run the K7XX and it's great for $150. Thanks for the replies.

@@chuckolatte600 Hey so should I consider the 58X as well? You said the 58X and K7XX were similar in terms of sound signature

Honestly, considering every single factor I believe you may be better off with the K7XX. Yeah, they're similar in sound signature to my ears. However, I feel like the K7XX are more comfortable. If they are STRICTLY for music (or practically strictly), go for the 58X or the 6XX (I recommend the 6XX over the 58X). If they are for all purposes, go with the K7XX.

About as much as most open back HPs, honestly. As long as you take care of them, you should be fine though.

Smoothest, I'd say K7XX. Most enjoyable though, I'd say it's a coin toss between 58X and 6XX

@@chuckolatte600 Thank you for the quick answer. I think I'll go for the 58X since it is only 160$.

Nice choice! @@trixniisama

Definitely not. The 580 and 58X are VERY different headphones.

They say the HD 58X Jubilee are VERY similar to the HD 660S, but as you may find they are so much more cheap it doesn't even make sense!

@@picapica201 thats a complete lie. the HD 660s have a completly different driver than all of the 600 line.

@@xevus2959 But I wasn't talking about 660S vs 600 series at all? And I didn't mean the driver itself, I was talking in terms of the sound signature. And in that sense, 58X are indeed reported to sound similar to 660S, alas the latter having better quality etc. As far as I know, the 58X driver is of the type and quality found in the HD 590 line of headphones, if this matters to anyone.

@@picapica201 people say the hd660s doesn't need an amp to drive soI bought a zen dac v2 and they still sound underwhelming asf for $500. there's a gap in the middle where if you do an attack with a long sword in monster hunter rise, you don't hear the ground slam. My $120 philips sound better not because it's bassy or because it's V-shaped but because it performs overall way better than the HD660s in games. I'm not talking about competitive games with hearing footsteps and what not. I'm talking about the different sounds i can hear like the soundtrack or ambient sounds in Zelda Botw for example. I think testing headphones with video games are a much easier way to test out the headphones performance over just listening to music. Its still funny how a $120 headphone beats a $500 one in almost every test i threw at it both in games, movies and music. The only thing I did notice that was better on the HD660s was in Zelda botw, you can hear which direction the wind is blowing as I pan the camera around so that's one detail it wins over the Fidelio X2HR.

I had used its stock cable, but I got an aftermarket balanced cable to test it out balanced.

chuckolatte Can you please help me with something? I got a pair of HD 6xx which Im thinking to sell and get the HD 58x. The reason for it is that I cant afford an expensive amp/dac. My headphones work great but I want to get the best performance out of them. Is the Dac-x6 good for the hd 6xx?

@@shilo.5087 It'll definitely improve your audio experience, for sure. What's good with the HD600 line is that they never really stop scaling with better gear (to my ears). So the x6 will be better than no dac/amp, but you'll have an even further improved sound to look forward to the day you are able to upgrade your gear. TL;DR: keep the 6XX

chuckolatte I cant really see myself getting better equipment in the next 5 years, Im a broke high-school student and will probably be sent to the army for like 2 years and a half. Which is better, the Massdrop O2 or the Dac X6? The x6 is very cheap and is indeed an amp and a dac, so Im thinking of getting it.

@@shilo.5087 Well, the O2 dac/amp is indeed the better choice, but the X6 should also do you well. If you can afford the 02, go for it.