“Hitler rose to power because of cancel culture” is really not a take I was expecting to hear today

Duplee: "Kick was made because Twitch was too restrictive" Fantano: "How lenient does Twitch need to be for there to not be a Kick?" Duplee: "You're misinterpreting my point on purpose" When confronted with the absurdity of his own logic he has to shift the goalposts.

He has admitted that he isn't educated on any of these topics but he's standing his ground so hard for no reason and he just keeps digging himself deeper into this hole

Anthony Fantano unrelentingly scolds a child for an hour and twenty eight minutes | NOT CLICKBAIT

Separate the Melon from the WaterMelon

“I think we’re on the same side here” Fantano vigorously shakes head 😂😂😂

“I am not a fence-sitter” also “this is how I sit on the fence.” All in one breath. Amazing.

"if Twitch didn't crack down on CP, Kick wouldn't exist" is everything I need to know about everyone on Kick or supports Kick.

This guy makes Los Pollos seem like a veteran debater with great arguments

Fantano: It’s weird that you think the reaction that happened wasn’t the one I intended. Other guy: What you intended doesn’t matter. It’s what ends up happening in the end. Master class in not listening

Debates with the No. 1 Drake stan are funny.. Duplee on the other hand is incredibly painful.

this guys point basically boiled down to "nazis may be bad but have you ever thought of being nice to them?" as if all hitler needed was a hug and he wouldn't have done what he had done

I don't think he understands that when there are malicious people with the intent to harm you, there is no "meeting them in the middle" - they aren't interested in your wellbeing and it's not worth trying to reason with them, you can't tolerate their intolerance I'm sure someone in chat mentioned it at some point, but I think it's called the paradox of tolerance

Fantano: "People in the chat are cringing at what you're saying" Duplee: "I dont care what people think" Bro you're in this debate because of what people said to you on Twitter, you absolutely care what people think, that's literally why you are here lol

If you're in a burning building and one person is saying "we gotta run for the door" and the other is saying "we need to run further into the building," the middle ground would be just deciding to stand there

the mlk bit especially pisses me off because the man quite literally DID stop just being nice and later on in his life and career up until his assassination was increasingly more and more supportive of more proactive civil rights efforts and even admitted that sometimes you have to actually fight for whats right and not just protest about it. this idea that the people doing the oppressing can talk how they want and literally oppress people, the idea that racists can be racist, but the victims of these things are the people who's tone you feel the need to concern yourself with, is absolutely idiotic

this guys whole argument is literally just “disagreeing bad”

duplee: "i'm not advocating for middle position" duplee for the last hour: "I'M TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO MEET IN THE MIDDLE"

The way Fantano eyes bugged out of his head when in the last like 15 seconds Duplee says “maybe some other time we can debate some other topics” 😭

Duplee: I don’t care what people think. Also Duplee: why do people have to roll their eyes when I praise Kanye and Jordan Peterson 😢

This guy was not prepared for this discussion, anthony was coming in swinging

6:51 I'm going to quote Natalie from Contrapoints here because this part reminds me a lot of what she was talking about "Deradicalization is a valid strategy. But it cannot be the only strategy, and it must not be the primary strategy. Because we're not going to defeat racism by telling Black people to be a little nicer to racists."

Duplee seems like the kind of guy who would, unironically, say “well, you know, if there were no laws then there would be no law-breakers” and think he’s making a good point

Moral of the story: if you’re willing to have hot takes or be a video essayist, learn how to debate so that someday, you’re not going to be made a fool of

This is a hilariously frustrating conversation. Anthony will make a salient and well-spoken point, then Duplee says "I understand where you're coming from, but I completely disagree." and then he will proceed to not explain at all why he disagrees and instead bring up some completely random and unrelated topic. I'm 19 mintues in and this has happened at least 4 times now 😭

The Kick example is hilarious because it's the typical libertarian idealist cycle: let's make a platform just like Twitch but without the censorship; oh fuck people are spamming slurs and saying the most heinous shit live, let's put a few rules I guess; oh fuck some people are showing copyright material now, let's put a rule about that too; oh fuck... etc. etc. And in 5 years or so Kick will be either dead or have the same set of TOS as Twitch, because it's needed to run a normal platform.

"My point is not 'no boundaries', it's just that I don't think people should ever react negatively out loud about anything or anyone to others because it might upset people who like them"

i can't get over how insanely cowardly duplee's being with the constant backpedaling and shifting of the goalpost every time anthony even tries to address the implications of his arguments. every time he gets caught implying something heinous and terrible, it's "but that's not what i'm saying" or "but that's not what i meant". if you're going to advocate for your own ideas you should, at the very least, have the backbone to actually stand for them instead of cowering away into a corner or trying to change your own argument retroactively to make yourself not look bad. also him saying he's not a fencesitting centrist and then spending the entire god damn conversation fencesitting makes me feel like i'm going to die tomorrow

"cringe title" "those words did come out of my mouth, but-", dude isn't standing by anything he's ever said, and shows up so unprepared, he can't even articulate his own point. "think-piece but you can't think" is right

Kid is looking for a fight. Fantano calmly explains himself. Kid stumbling over his own words and contradicts himself. Fantano tries to use an analogy. Kid is confused and misses the point entirely.

this debate really encapsulates the phrase “if you stand for nothing, you’ll fall for anything” it didn’t really seem like any of duplee’s opinions here had any solid ground whatsoever, he seemed to be on the verbal backfoot for the entire hour and a half

I don’t want to “come to an agreement” with bigots. The hell is this kid on about.

I find it funny that Kanye fans hate Fantano but want him to still review Kanye’s albums

Anthony's facial expressions make this entire damn conversation

Anthony demonstrating the patience of a saint while cooking this guy.

This guy really showed up with a "You're part of the problem," Anthony says "Elaborate," and this guy just goes into rant mode never once explaining what he even means. This is the epitome of don't write checks your ass can't cash.

his point literally boiled down to “don’t call things bad, please”

My man Duplee went from a Fantano reposter to arguing with him live on stream. Dreams really do come true

Duplee saying that Joe Biden is a leftist really shows how little he knows about politics. And the fact that he thinks liberalism is somehow leftist, when liberalism is the literal staple of the right-wing economic system (free market, no government involvement, personal wealth is great, less taxes). Both Donald Trump and Joe Biden are economically liberal, Trump being slightly more extreme, what matters is where they stand ideologically. And even still, Trump is an extreme right wing conservative, and Biden is moderatly conservative when you look at the rest of the world. There is no left wing party in the US, there is extremist consevatives, and then there's moderate liberals, both being on the right in the political spectrum. I've heard this argument from so many people who know next to nothing about politics and it pissed me off enough here to write this long ass comment. Do your research before trying to step into a political sphere where you have nothing to say. He also keeps saying that people like Fantano aren't being productive, when he literally has no productive point and keeps asking what we should do to prevent polarisation, but gives no realalistic examples because he doesn't know better. He should just shut up for now, do research and make actual informed descicions, instead of fence sitting and holding hands with both the antisemites and the frustrated leftists, saying things like "Hey guys, can't we just try and meet each other in the middle". My brother in Christ read ONE book, please. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk

Fantano: "I've literally seen him... advocate for the deaths of people he deems unreasonable" "You kinda do the same thing dont you?" (By calling nazis bad.) Brilliant.

duplee: don't criticise me it hurts my feelings

I love how these kids say fantano is a snowflake, yet they can’t hold their own in a conversation

This guy is way too concerned with common ground. Like, common ground is nice but it means nothing if it's at the cost of just handwaving away the issue. He should worry more about understanding the issues at hand before he tries playing referee.

Duplee spends an hour and a half playing mental gymnastics with himself saying a whole lot of nothing. "One of the hardest things for a centrist to answer is what do they believe." They say let's meet in the middle without defining what that middle is.

the lesson is don't make flimsy arguments about Melon if you're not ready to back it up. dude shook so fast.

“That was definitely me making fun of your video” I lost it in traffic- boys getting bodied

Duplee: I’m not a centrist, I have an ideology 2 seconds later: I like to meet people in the middle

"when do things go too far?" great question. if you are LGBTQ and/or black, you understand that some people are arbitrarily against you, and your life could depend on it. some people don't feel their lives depend on nothing but themselves. I wonder why

He talked himself in circles just to say that Fantano shouldn’t say confrontational things to people that love confrontational people like Kanye and Trump.

The problem with people like this is they don't even understand the point they're trying to make. They've spent almost no time thinking about why they have an opinion and use the counterpoint of someone else to try and figure out what they actually believe. It's a product of modern culture and says a lot about society (especially in North America) as a whole.

“We can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist.” ―James Baldwin

“Chronically online fanboy debates a rational adult human” would be a great alternative title

the more time i spend on the internet, the more i realize anyone who understands 0 about politics and is generally an idiot will always call standing up for what’s right “political correctness” lmao

Duplee has clearly never heard of the phrase “When you give an inch, they’ll take a mile”, Twitch is not to blame for a fucking predator looking elsewhere to be a predator

Truly sad sight to see, two bald men arguing instead of standing together in solidarity, the real polarization no one is mentioning 😢

Fantano: "Destiny called for the death of people he didn't agree with" Duplee: "Well ok, but you kind of do the same thing right?" Fantano: *blank stare* LMAO

Fantano: "fuck nazis" Duplee: "No you're wrong for saying that, that's not productive" Thats basically what the whole conversation boils down to

He’s worried about being unproductive but he comes into this talk completely unprepared and just asks the dumb “what can we do” instead of offering anything valuable. He just wanted to have the shallow “we should all understand each other and not be mean talk.

We went from "separate art from the artist" to "separate Hitler from holocaust" real quick

"I'm stopping you before you harm yourself, because self-harm is against TOS on Twitch"😆

I can't imagine having as much patience as Fantano talking to Duplee.

This guy talks like a “centrist” commentary dude who eventually goes on to become a far right ideologue lol

Imagine thinking that Alex Jones was simply filling a demand and not manufacturing the demand for the most part

Everybody think they a genius till they gotta debate the melon

Remember, the real divisiveness is calling out Ye, not Ye pulling a Jordan Peterson and using his music to legetamize his radical stances.🙄 What a silly argument

"They wouldn't have leaked actual cp if Twitch hadn't been so aggressive in their pursuit of justice" Bro had me stun locked after hearing that💀

Love when Fantano becomes a debate bro. My favorite type of melon

Mr Duplee looks like an actor in a teen drama movie portraying someone with anger issues who is about to snap at any moment

I'm only 27 min in and I know Duplee cannot recover from how badly he's lost this one. He's all in the middle and not taking a stand.

This dude is 100000% what MLK talked about in his thoughts on the white moderate. Lets just appease people who have nothing to contribute because "we need to see both sides" and care about people's feelings Dude is a very good example of the problems of letting white dudes who have zero context and zero study become figures on rap culture smh

You know Duplee is gonna be full red pill in about five years

People outside of the US talking about our political discourse is always hilarious.

This guy basically doesnt like getting dunked on for being dumb. Thats his whole thing. People should stop telling him bad things because of what he thinks.

His argument boils down to “we should be nicer with people we disagree with” which on its face sounds reasonable but I don’t think being nice to bigots will change their mind like he thinks. It’s just tolerating hate and opening the door for more people to get away with it. With MLK, he was more nonviolent than some like Malcom X, but MLK was assassinated anyway. So regardless of how you treat bigots they will still despise you and hurt you

Can't believe this guy spent an hour of his life saying "We should be nicer to bigots so they'll maybe change their minds" like grow up dude. Imagine making this argument to someone who's actually harmed by Kanye's dumb hateful rhetoric. Like imagine him saying this to a Jewish person "You should be nice to Kanye dude" get real

1:19:30: great point here. Would much rather be on the right side of history than be the most likable person to all walks of life.

"horrible that he had a platform to collect pictures on teensagers...but" is the wildest fuckin thing I've heard in a long time... GG's on keeping it together, Melon

Maybe this fight wasn't fair because Fantano has much more media experience and doesn't have brain rot, but jesus... this guy got bodied. Felt like bullying.

That ending was brutal. His final thoughts were a Scooby-Doo running sound effect for three minutes. Then he got dunked on without realizing it, then he begged for a crumb before oozing through a grate in the floor.

All I can say Anthony has more patience than I could ever have

This Duplee guy seems somewhat well-intentioned, just not very well-informed. He thinks radicalization results from cultural polarization and unwillingness to meet people where they’re at in public discourse, when radicalization really roots from economic disillusionment and the exploitation of that suffering by demagogues who scapegoat marginalized groups. He almost gets it at one point too. He’s just got normie brain, never encountered a materialist analysis

Can’t separate art from the artist if the artist doesn’t separate themself from the art.

It seems impossible to separate the art from the artist the more famous the artist is, because that artist has made their art synonymous with the persona they had to sell to get their art in the spotlight in the first place. No matter how separated the subject matter of the piece itself is, if youre familiar with the artist's opinions or actions outside of it, that shit is going to change the perspective.

Anthony was pretty fundamental in establishing mainstream online music discourse, now he has to debate sympathizing idiots who think that admitting ignorance is somehow a noble endeavor.

"Im not saying that! Im saying [exact same thing]" -this guy

But he made

This was exhaustinggggg. Really salute Anthonys patience with this dude lmao

Dude couldn't debate his way out of a drive thru, this was really painful. "Hold on I'm not finished--" but doesn't have a great point to finish to begin with. "That's not what I'm saying--" but says the same thing just in another way. "What about--" my guy you can try all you want but those points aren't valid either. Things also need to be based in some semblance of truth, and nearly everyone else that he brings up is a notorious liar / manipulator / etc. "I get what you're saying but--" no, no you don't.

All this over a TERRIBLE album

His views on how Hitler rose to power are insane.

I can’t believe Fantano lended his time to this kid who would fail an 8th grade debate class

New jesse pinkman and walter white dropped

The brother is misguided because he cannot understand nuance at all lmao. He thinks nuance is just saying all sides are both good and bad instead of seeing the gradients lmao. This debatebro generation is cooked because their role models are all cooked too goddamn

oh the other guy was so wholly unprepared. Homie got fucking wrecked. Only 10 minutes in and fantano’s little passive aggressive sarcastic remarks are giving me life

Never heard of Duplee til today. I can see the central raw point of what he wants to get at, but dude’s biggest problem here is that he takes the “pragmatism and logic only” stance of pseudo neutrality so hard that he doesn’t provide a form of combating poison in any way that would, by his own standard, be “conducive and effective.” It’s the epitome of an edgy teenager thinking they’re ahead because they don’t get caught up in their emotions or whatever, and any degree of contextualizing pathos is “polarizing and illogical.”

Drinking game: Take a shot every time you hear polarization

34:31 When he said that Anthony "kinda does the same thing" i.e advocates for murder I fucking lost it. Duplee's whole argument was a flaming pile of garbage.

When Fantano goes into a debate knowing he is going to body the opposing view point….chef’s kiss

I don’t understand why these people think no one is allowed to criticize them ever for their opinions. At what point are we allowed to say “hey you’re a shitty person and I don’t like you for this reason”? Why is Jordan Peterson allowed to endlessly criticize and dehumanize trans people but no one is allowed to criticize him in return? No one is saying he’s not allowed to speak, we’re saying we’re allowed to criticize you, and that’s OUR freedom of speech at work. And NO ONE is entitled to a platform, literally no one: you have a right to free speech, you don’t have a right to a platform or an audience or immunity from criticism.

It's annoying how he keeps asking for Anthony to let him speak and then just interrupts Anthony whenever Anthony tries to finish a point.