Septuagint, Synagogue and Symbiosis: The Jews of Hellenistic Egypt - Dr Gary A Rendsburg

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fleetwd1

fleetwd1

9 жыл бұрын

This is a short segment of a 3 hour Seminar held Friday January 16, 2015 at The Lanier Theological Library. the full seminar titled "Historical and Archaeological Evidence for the Jewish Diaspora After 722 B.C." can be viewed here:
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@richardglady3009
@richardglady3009 3 ай бұрын
What a wonderful lecture. Thank you. I really appreciate the coverage of information not found elsewhere. Thanks for posting this video.
@fleetwd1
@fleetwd1 3 ай бұрын
It is my pleasure. Gary Rendsburg is very insightful.
@reksubbn3961
@reksubbn3961 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Very enjoyable lecture. I often go straight to the comments to see whether a video is worth listening to. The negative comments usually have the opposite affect because of their obvious bias and only adds to the credibility of the speaker.
@fleetwd1
@fleetwd1 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. This was not a full lecture but one of five presentations on a Panel discussion group. I thought it excellent and have it both in the group video and this separate video by itself.
@CanadianFirearmNooB
@CanadianFirearmNooB 2 жыл бұрын
I went to sleep and woke up to Jay Leno talking about jewish occupation ...
@briennehays4233
@briennehays4233 Жыл бұрын
I have seen images from JW's showing Septuagint manuscripts that have YHWH in Hebrew. Is this accurate? It seems weird that every other word would be Greek but YHWH would be in Hebrew.
@fleetwd1
@fleetwd1 Жыл бұрын
there is no Greek equivalent, and while some have the ancient Hebrew letters some just have four dots. This stands out to alert the reader not to speak it, but to say Adoni, Lord or Ha Shem (the name).
@briennehays4233
@briennehays4233 Жыл бұрын
@@fleetwd1 Thank you. Does this give weight to the JW's argument that God's name was left out of the New Testament and shouldn't have been replaced with LORD?
@fleetwd1
@fleetwd1 Жыл бұрын
@@briennehays4233 Not everything JW say is wrong as some suppose. However in John 8:58-59 Jesus equates himself with the "I Am" of Exodus 3:14 and his opponents attempt to stone him to death for blasphemy. Jesus previously announces in John 5:43 "I have come in my Fathers name; and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you ill accept him." The NT uses YHWH texts taken from Hebrew Scriptures and applies them to both Jesus and the Father. They even restate the Shema that states there is only One God including both the Father and Jesus as the One God and One LORD. Here is a short video dealing with this. In it they refer to David Capes which I have several hours of lectures on the same issue but this short video will give you some idea of how YHWH texts were used by NT writers. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bdySp9F-u8CrpoE.html
@ibmibm691
@ibmibm691 9 ай бұрын
Were the jews forced to rewrite the bible in accordance to the wants of the greeks? The Jews never ever rewrote the Torah in Greek.
@fleetwd1
@fleetwd1 9 ай бұрын
They were not forced to rewrite the Bible. The Hebrew people had many who were fluent in Greek because it was a more universal language at the time. It also seems to have been a benefit since many New Testament authors used the Greek translations more often because it had become quite widespread by the first century AD. Torah was translated into Greek along with Psalms, Historical books and Prophets
@mitzvahgolem8366
@mitzvahgolem8366 8 жыл бұрын
Dead sea scrolls not in Greek...original Septuaginta rabbis only translated first five books "Torah" for Philo no original copy survives today. Later Origen of church rewrote a christian version called ",old testament"adding books and changing wording..Today's Tanakh matches dead sea scrolls old testament Latin Greek or English does not...especially Isaiah. Watch Tenak Talk on you tube.שלום
@mattyboyahoy2326
@mattyboyahoy2326 6 жыл бұрын
THE DEAD SEA SCROLLS ARE WRITTEN IN THE WRONG LANGUAGE, THEY MUST NOT BE AUTHENTIC, MODERN HEBREW WAS NOT EVEN USED WHEN THEY WERE SUPPOSEDLY WRITTEN
@messianic_scam
@messianic_scam 4 жыл бұрын
@@mattyboyahoy2326 what language was it written in?! So basically you are saying that there are no original dead sea scrolls survived and what you have now all fake and copies of translated original scriptures then how can they say it was written in aramic since they get rid of originals!? No im sure its true what alote of archaeologists been saying these scriptures were removed by fritz hommel from southen peninsula in the early century and tucked it in jordan him and eduard glaser did massive excavations there they stole 2500 hebrew scriptures if carter could film his tut ank amon tomb discovery in tweenties why didnt they film a big discovery as this in modern days in fifties ?! Those jews are big fat liars they say between 1946 and 1956 lol you dont know the date of big discovery as this! Carter knew
@annascott3542
@annascott3542 4 жыл бұрын
The scrolls are written Aramaic and Hebrew. Notably, those that are written in Hebrew are legible to those who are literate in contemporary Hebrew.
@wyattsteel411
@wyattsteel411 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, there are actually some Dead Sea Scrolls/Judean desert scrolls in Greek and Latin alongside Hebrew and Aramaic, which you'd know if you cared to research their actual content. No, the Septuagint Torah was not made for Philo (Assuming you're talking about the Alexandrian Jew) - he lived roughly 2 centuries after the Torah was translated. Emmanuel Tov has said that the Masoretic Text goes all the way back to about the 3rd century BCE, making it parallel with the Septuagint. Because where were many different versions of Scripture floating around (as evidenced by the Dead Sea Scrolls, Philo's and Josephus' retellings, the aforementioned MT and LXX), we ought to consider all sources, no? With the Dead Sea Scrolls, there are some cases where they agree with the Samaritan Pentateuch, the Septuagint, the Latin Vulgate, etc., or where they provide new readings entirely (ex. an entire new paragraph at the end of 1 Samuel 10, that provides a better transition to chapter 11 with more context.) To say they only 100% agree with the MT is false. Ultimately, no one source is better than any other in my opinion, and we should use all of them to create modern editions of the Hebrew Bible. The Dead Sea Scrolls, the Masoretic Text, the Samaritan Pentateuch, the Septuagint, the Peshitta, the Latin Vulgate, etc.
@raymack8767
@raymack8767 3 жыл бұрын
@@mattyboyahoy2326 The Masoretic Text (MT) was an alteration of significant portions of the Square Hebrew Old Testament that began early (noted by the Talmud and Mishnah showing conflicting texts, contradictions, and multiple, competing rabbis making alterations) though Jews also used the Septuagint (translated from Square Hebrew in the mid third century BC), and older than the MT; The MT are hardly original scriptures and not a BC text; see Jeremiah 8:8 (Septuagint). Paleo Hebrew, used from the 12th to 6th century BC (around 2,000 years older than the MT), gave way to Square Hebrew (around 1,300 years older than the MT), which then eventually gave way to Greek, as evidenced by the Septuagint, which is around 1,000 years than the MT. The Septuagint predates Christianity, used when Greek became the lingua franca, and its use in synagogues by Jews around the Mediterranean was substantiam. Paleo Hebrew, Square Hebrew, and the Septuagint (LXX) within the Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS) preserve the originals, and overwhelmingly disagree with the MT in numerous instances. The Septuagint predates Christianity and scrolls from it are found within the Dead Sea Scrolls. 1.) Exodus 1:5 in the DSS Square Hebrew agrees with the Septuagint against the MT (and KJV) that all the souls from Jacob were 75, not 70. 2.) The older Square Hebrew in the DSS, the Samaritan Pentateuch, Aramaic Targums, etc, agrees with the Septuagint against the MT (and KJV) for Deut. 32:8-9 in using Sons/angels of God and not sons of Israel. 3.) The Square Hebrew in the DSS for Deuteronomy 32:43 lines up with the Septuagint against the MT (and KJV) saying the angels are to worship messiah. 4.) The Septuagint for 1 and 2 Samuel are backed up by 3 DSS and the MT is known among scholars as botching 1 and 2 Samuel badly. 5.) The MT wrongly has Saul becoming king at age one and ruling for two years. 6.) The MT actually left out an entire line from a Psalm that the Square Hebrew and the Septuagint preserved, thus the so-called masters of vowel memorization not only forgot vowels but also consonants. 7.) Psalm 40:6: a messianic proof text for the Incarnation: The MT (and KJV): Thou hast dug out my ears. The Septuagint: A body thou hast prepared for me. 8.) Concerning another messianic psalm, Psalm 22:16, the DSS Square Hebrew agree with the Septuagint and KJV against the MT. 9.) Baruch, Sirach, Tobit, and Psalm 151 are written in Hebrew in the DSS. 10.) ▪︎The chronologies of Genesis 5, 11 of the Paleo Hebrew and the Septuagint line up against the MT. ▪︎Literary sources before 100 AD that agree with the LXX: 2 Esdras, Josephus and Philo (30/70 AD) did not use the Septuagint to come to their conclusion that lines up with the Septuagint, etc. ▪︎Eupolemus, the Jewish 2nd century BC historian's chronology, comes close to aligning with the Paleo Hebrew and Septuagint and not the MT. ▪︎Jewish Demetrius the Chronicler's (3rd century BC) chronology comes very close to the Paleo Hebrew and Septuagint and against the MT. Justin Martyr said the Jews in his time period were altering their scriptures. ▪︎biblearchaeology.org/research/biblical-chronologies/4349-mt-sp-or-lxx-deciphering-a-chronological-and-textual-conundrum-in-genesis-5 Since synagogues around the Mediterranean used Septuagint and Square Hebrew, even in Palestine, Greek was the lingua franca, Jesus grew up near Sepphoris where Hebrew and Greek were both spoken and where Joseph could ply his trade, Christ quoted the scriptures, spoke to the Syrophoenician woman, and Mark/Luke were written to Romans/Greeks, some will be hard-pressed to prove Jesus used only Hebrew. Concerning key messianic scriptures, Catholics, Copts, Orthodox, and Protestants see that the leaven of the rabbis and then the Masoretes seemed to target scriptures that point to Jesus Christ. (Matthew 16:6). The Paleo Hebrew, Square Hebrew, and the Septuagint all agree with each other against the MT far more than they disagree, thus the starting point is to sideline the MT. There are dozens and dozens of instances where the Paleo Hebrew, Square Hebrew, and the Septuagint agree against the MT: By the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses let every word be established. Deut. 19:15; 2 Cor. 13:1. Given that Septuagint scrolls were found with Paleo Hebrew and Square Hebrew scrolls in the DSS, one would again be hard-pressed to prove that Christians composed the Septuagint. Ultimately, given 1-10, to deny the Septuagint is to deny the DSS because before there was a Septuagint, the Paleo Hebrew and Square Hebrew scriptures in 1-10 and Gen. 5 and 11 declared these things before the Septuagint ever came into being.
@samwdc11
@samwdc11 8 жыл бұрын
wait what? the oldest torah is written in greek? wowowowowow, but he is one sided, your prophets never existed, it's an astrotheolgy book
@canadiankewldude
@canadiankewldude 6 жыл бұрын
I hope you have continued your research, thus discovering the fact that the "astrotheology book" issue, is a misleading hoax.
@opensourceteam
@opensourceteam 4 жыл бұрын
Sam Khalaf juvenile is a kind way to describe how you come across
@messianic_scam
@messianic_scam 4 жыл бұрын
@@canadiankewldude Greek has nothing to do with Judaism or hebrews you lying peopl you gonna tell us next time that Alexander real name was menachem
@messianic_scam
@messianic_scam 4 жыл бұрын
@@opensourceteam There was no such thing as Hellenic jews of Egypt
@littonkai562
@littonkai562 4 жыл бұрын
bed you need to read more.
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