Serbu RN-50 Failure: A Closer Look

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Backyard Ballistics

Backyard Ballistics

Күн бұрын

On my last video I've gotten lots of valid questions regarding the accident that happened to Scott from Kentucky Ballistics, consisting of the catastrophic failure of a Serbu RN-50 50BMG rifle.
In this second video I'm answering some of your questions, and investigating alternative failure scenarios, like barrel obstruction, metal fatigue and more.
Link to the analysis of the effects of case-barrel friction on bolt thrust: www.varmintal.com/a243z.htm
Link to the R93 video I got a bit of footage from:
• German Police Sniper B...
Link to Kentucky Ballistics original video:
• My 50 Cal Exploded

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@nathanplunkett4641
@nathanplunkett4641 3 жыл бұрын
You would make an incredible firearms engineering teacher. You're quite articulate and intelligent.
@impeccablystubby5959
@impeccablystubby5959 3 жыл бұрын
Really though, everything he says makes complete sense and with each tangent he goes he reinforces and expands the last, like piecing together a puzzle in thousands of minds
@ThomasWilliams-zo7ke
@ThomasWilliams-zo7ke 3 жыл бұрын
I think his accent is fooling you, I swear I saw this man working the register at Walmart
@judahchrist7741
@judahchrist7741 3 жыл бұрын
Do you know who is consider a criminal according to Biden opinion...? Police is a criminal... Criminal is police...why...? Because police protect people's right and the criminal protect dictatorship's right.
@judahchrist7741
@judahchrist7741 3 жыл бұрын
KAMALA HARRIS DOESN'T BLACK ENOUGHT TO BE BLACK = SHE IS NOT BLACK...☻☻☻ = ❌❌❌
@judahchrist7741
@judahchrist7741 3 жыл бұрын
IRAN+CHINA+RUSSIA=FOE HIDDEN...🇮🇷+🇨🇳+🇷🇺=FOE HIDDEN...🐒💩💩💩👎
@MarcJaxon
@MarcJaxon 3 жыл бұрын
Mark Serbu will be doing a full investigation once he recieves the parts and casing. Ian (Forgotten Weapons) also did a very good breakdown of catastrophic failures just a couple days ago. I want to thank YOU and everyone doing their best to figure out exactly what happened and how this can be rectified in the future.
@petermuller3995
@petermuller3995 3 жыл бұрын
"Mark Serbu will be doing a full investigation" XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
@MarcJaxon
@MarcJaxon 3 жыл бұрын
@@petermuller3995 I'm not really sure why this is funny...do tell.
@Stigstigster
@Stigstigster 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarcJaxon I think some people are worried that Mr Serbu will go "Right, checked it all out, gun was fine, very strong, definitely dodgy ammo!" and then scrap the bits. I'm not saying he'd do that and I honestly don't think he's that kind of person but that's what some people are concerned about. Like when the police investigate themselves.
@MarcJaxon
@MarcJaxon 3 жыл бұрын
@@Stigstigster and I get that. It is a rational concern. But I wasn't trying to suggest that Mark will be all alone in his creepy little design dungeon laughing maniacally while trying to formulate an "out" to save his ass.
@joshbryan8028
@joshbryan8028 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarcJaxon it's funny because mr serbu obviously has a vested interest in it not being his fault. For him to do the investigation on this would be like having the accused also act as the jury in his own court case
@thetman0068
@thetman0068 3 жыл бұрын
The way the whole of the internet’s gun gurus have come around this incident to investigate and offer their opinion based on their expertise is as heartwarming as it is frightening. It goes to show how seriously close to the long dirt nap KB came, but that we may all learn and educate from the incident brings joy and hope to my heart.
@thegettokidZz
@thegettokidZz 3 жыл бұрын
he's practically a living medical miracle from what it sounds like. You can die under a half a minute from a lacerated jugular im pretty sure.
@tubeguy4066
@tubeguy4066 3 жыл бұрын
The RN-50 has probably already blown up before and killed someone and no one knows since it wasn't a big youtuber
@TwinTurboLsx
@TwinTurboLsx 3 жыл бұрын
lets keep it real, its being exploited as a reason to make videos that they know will get a lot of views. maybe a couple are doing because they genuinely care, but most is just money. lol
@abonynge
@abonynge 3 жыл бұрын
The SLAP cartridge was designed for the Marine Corps to use in tank machine guns. It is not permitted to be fired through the M107 due to "hazards". This cartridge is dangerous to fire from anything other than a M2. I do not understand why nobody is talking about this. It needs to be said that people should not put SLAP cartridges into their rifles.
@DinnerForkTongue
@DinnerForkTongue 3 жыл бұрын
@@thegettokidZz That's if it's fully severed. Scott's was just cut, like a leaky break on a hose.
@prasad530
@prasad530 3 жыл бұрын
The professionalism and even-handedness of your presentation is commendable.
@brianmerati4643
@brianmerati4643 3 жыл бұрын
And a sweet accent.
@simplemann101
@simplemann101 3 жыл бұрын
It is only rivaled by the cogency of your comment. Written linguistics is a lost art on youtube comments, bravo my friend.
@prasad530
@prasad530 3 жыл бұрын
@@simplemann101 Not only is it a lost art, there is a broad contingent of KZfaq users that will actively mock comments containing words with more than one syllable. Anti-intellectualism is the bane of modern existence.
@simplemann101
@simplemann101 3 жыл бұрын
@@prasad530 The lust to fit in is indefatigable, and as such it's not worth posting most times. But again thank you for taking the time to be concise, your comment was spot on.
@Kompressor594
@Kompressor594 3 жыл бұрын
You can see that he is a professional
@14768
@14768 3 жыл бұрын
Man, this is single handedly the most intelligent and well made gun video I have ever seen on KZfaq. Definitely earned a sub from me. I don't think most viewers really understand your level of knowledge on mechanical and material properties.
@doraran2138
@doraran2138 3 жыл бұрын
This guy is a professional, well trained and educated in ballistics, chemistry, physics, engineering and metallurgy. Sadly, many YT gun channels are Fudds and Bubbas blowing up tannerite, thinkin' they know everthin' about guns. BTW there are other good channels like Forgotten Weapons, C and Rsenal, Mark Novak, but none with this guy's expertise.
@MrSmitty6969
@MrSmitty6969 3 жыл бұрын
Na, you need to watch TIBORASAURUSREX'S VIDEO !!!!!
@PNWLeviathanFPV
@PNWLeviathanFPV 3 жыл бұрын
I was going to post nearly this exact thing. As a certified gunsmith, i totally agree with what you stated and couldnt say better myself. Dude is top shelf info for free and isnt boring with his delivery.
@BloPsy__
@BloPsy__ 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrSmitty6969 Nah, not really. All was said here.
@theeternalklansmanmaestro5039
@theeternalklansmanmaestro5039 3 жыл бұрын
the knowledge is basic mechanical engineering stuff.
@yop_cholo
@yop_cholo 3 жыл бұрын
It reminds me of the kind of investigation that starts after an aircraft crashes. The more details you can understand, the more improvements you can implement to prevent future crashes. Good job.
@tomupchurch4911
@tomupchurch4911 3 жыл бұрын
Well put... so now we can call this pilot error?
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын
@@tomupchurch4911 I'm leaning more towards "counterfeit parts", personally. Though it was definitely "Pilot error" to load the last round after the much bigger than usual muzzle flash from the previous SLAP.
@grimreaper6112
@grimreaper6112 3 жыл бұрын
made in china fried rice stuck in the barrel.
@FunnyHaHa420
@FunnyHaHa420 3 жыл бұрын
@@grimreaper6112 Serbu isn't from China, it's from the U.S.A.
@aaronhiggs
@aaronhiggs 3 жыл бұрын
@@FunnyHaHa420 made in Tampa Florida. He’s next to my best friends dad’s ac shop. Super nice and attentive guy. Met Mark when I picked up my RN50 at a gun show. I can’t think of a more passionate gunsmith I’ve ever met. He’s one of us, just way smarter. Lol
@OmegaPaladin144
@OmegaPaladin144 3 жыл бұрын
I work in incident investigation as part of my job. This kind of calm, thorough approach is what we aspire to maintain. I hope that Mr. Serbu collaborates with you on this topic and we see an actual root cause analysis.
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын
Mark Serbu did comment on the previous video and said that the two of them needed to talk (in a good way).
@therogers4432
@therogers4432 3 жыл бұрын
@OmegaPaladin this channel is without doubt one of the finest on KZfaq for exactly these reasons, and is one of only a handful that leaves me feeling slightly less stupid than I was before I watched their latest video...
@spencerbrotherson9061
@spencerbrotherson9061 3 жыл бұрын
I love that you address the importance of the location of the obstruction. You're the first person I've seen covering this that has made that distinction. People keep talking about the muzzle brake, but that's a complete red herring. The smaller version of the SLAP round was abandoned because of the tendency of the sabots to fragment in the bore resulting in the penetrator kicking to one side and hanging up in the rifling. It was less common in the larger .50 rounds, and when fired from the M2 it didn't destroy the weapon when it did, so they decided it was safe enough to push into production and use (I think the USMC did the testing on these, but don't quote me on that). If the polymer had gotten brittle from age or the round was loaded too hot, there's a good chance this is what caused the obstruction. It should be easy to tell when someone runs a scope down the bore because that tungsten penetrator would have torn a chunk of the rifling up if it made contact and hung, even briefly.
@charlesdelair61
@charlesdelair61 3 жыл бұрын
As a physicist with a long history of interest in firearms, I can certainly recognize a great gun channel when I see one. Instantly hit the Subscribe button! Thanks for your time and effort on this subject! I look forward to learning a lot here...
@Gay_actor_Michael_Douglas
@Gay_actor_Michael_Douglas 3 жыл бұрын
What do you think happened?
@kwisatzhaderach9087
@kwisatzhaderach9087 3 жыл бұрын
​@@Gay_actor_Michael_Douglas If you scroll up, a mechanical engineer, with expertise in firearms ballistics gives a detailed analysis on what he thinks might have happened.
@RomboutVersluijs
@RomboutVersluijs 2 жыл бұрын
@@kwisatzhaderach9087 kinda vague, there tons and tons of comments.. up?!
@kwisatzhaderach9087
@kwisatzhaderach9087 2 жыл бұрын
@@RomboutVersluijs the video itself (sarcasm)
@huntezslayer389
@huntezslayer389 Жыл бұрын
@@kwisatzhaderach9087 thanks to zoomer humor. im basically blind to simple sarcasm 🤣
@Tazer120
@Tazer120 3 жыл бұрын
The amount of knowledge that you are able impart on viewers is fantastic. Thanks for the video.
@goopyjoe
@goopyjoe 3 жыл бұрын
This is the best video I've seen on this topic so far. Well done!
@SirOtterman
@SirOtterman 3 жыл бұрын
Your extremely professional & unbiased review of the incident is very endearing. Definitely earned a subscriber
@maledetto1221
@maledetto1221 3 жыл бұрын
"This can happen also on expensive guns, like the Blaser r93" Thanks, now I'm afraid of handloading my Blaser ahahahah
@poppaganja3793
@poppaganja3793 3 жыл бұрын
I bought a bunch a reloads amd they all different sizes dose anyone know if that's bad ?
@maledetto1221
@maledetto1221 3 жыл бұрын
@@poppaganja3793 if the only difference is how much the ball protrudes it's normal, different ball shapes and weight can cause that. If the brass is different then it's a whole different problem
@ChucksSEADnDEAD
@ChucksSEADnDEAD 3 жыл бұрын
@@poppaganja3793 Inconsistent seating depth? Depending on how inconsistent it is it could be safe, my hang up is that if the loader didn't even bother to seat them to consistent depth I'd be worried about what else could be inconsistent. Honestly I would look for the ones that are seated the deepest and if there's too much of a different don't fire those. Bullets pushed too deep can cause overpressure.
@ChucksSEADnDEAD
@ChucksSEADnDEAD 3 жыл бұрын
@@bart5246 The difference between rounds would be visually noticeable just handling them, not to mention who would reload an American projectile in a Soviet case that happened to be sabotaged?
@petermuller3995
@petermuller3995 3 жыл бұрын
Blasers are a meme.
@irchrisb
@irchrisb 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the detailed explanation, especially about how threads fail.
@loc4725
@loc4725 3 жыл бұрын
You should definitely create a channel on firearms physics, modes of failure, engineering etc. You clearly have the aptitude and judging from the comments, a very interested audience.
@donaldnewman5596
@donaldnewman5596 3 жыл бұрын
Hai fatto una presentazione meravigliosa. Grazie per il tuo duro lavoro e impegno.
@patrickvolk7031
@patrickvolk7031 3 жыл бұрын
Very well presented. I work in safety (railroad), and was trying to look at this from a chain-of-failure point of view. Not a mechanical engineer, but your explanation is enough for me to understand the elastic, plastic, and shear things that I was pondering. When things fail, you look for friction, deformation, and mass to try and control the wayward force. Your mass statement was an "aha" for me. Much slower, but much heavier projectiles, but the science is the same. Keep up the good work!
@landomt8138
@landomt8138 3 жыл бұрын
I thought I’d be over my head in the science jargon but you’re very good at explaining simply and concisely! You really deserve more subs!
@knobjob2839
@knobjob2839 3 жыл бұрын
TiborasuarusRex also did a video where he goes more in depth about sabot rounds and muzzle breaks. Where there doesn't have to be a visible obstruction to cause a catastrophic failure, among other hypotheses. Great video! I love how the gun community is coming together to figure all this out. You guys are great.
@carlmanns9232
@carlmanns9232 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing description, best and most intelligent one i have heard so far. I hope Scott has a speedy recovery and the T-res leaves him alone while he recovers.
@JTelli786
@JTelli786 3 жыл бұрын
I seriously love the amount of attention within the guntuber community. Within a few days of Kentucky Ballistics video multiple guntubers released analysis videos, including our lord and savior Gun Jesus.
@MrTruckerf
@MrTruckerf 3 жыл бұрын
Amen!
@camojoe83
@camojoe83 3 жыл бұрын
Lots of clicks to be had.
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын
Better to be a living warning than a dead one!
@suprememasteroftheuniverse
@suprememasteroftheuniverse 3 жыл бұрын
They're just hyping up the trend and making easy money with their lame excuses. You should be ashamed for disrespecting Christianity and the life of innocent who will lose their lives because of a failed design of a man who should be arrested. You will make the left win this war.
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын
@@suprememasteroftheuniverse what in the fuck are you on? The RN50 is safe for normal ammunition, 55kpsi. .50bmg proof loads are 65kpsi, and every RN50 shipped is tested with one, by Mark Serbu himself, with his shoulder behind the gun so if it were to blow up Mark Serbu would be dead. The threads stripping off the cap that make the round that blew up KB's gun _at least_ 85kpsi, if not more. While there most definitely is someone at fault for this, it's not Serbu.
@andreiandrei8240
@andreiandrei8240 3 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to say thanks for all the great knowledge you share with us. It's great to see such great gun related content coming from elsewhere then the US and, I have tu say, you have great laws in Italy regarding firearm, atleast compared to Romania :)
@jic1
@jic1 3 жыл бұрын
Other good firearms content from outside the US: Bloke on the Range capandball Polenar Tactical The Armourer's Bench Royal Armouries
@davepatterson7518
@davepatterson7518 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a thoughtful and quite informed hypothesis. Your suggestions and insights are appreciated.
@brucebergstresser3973
@brucebergstresser3973 3 жыл бұрын
Young man, your apparent knowledge in this area is not only amazing, it is helpful. Thank you for taking the time to make this very instructional video. bbb
@sinisterthoughts2896
@sinisterthoughts2896 3 жыл бұрын
By the way, your viewership is creeping up quite nicely. I'm happy to see it. I've been here since 5,000? Maybe less. Keep up the fantastic work!
@stuckgrenadepin.225
@stuckgrenadepin.225 3 жыл бұрын
I first saw his channel after KB’s accident and along with many others have been plugging his channel.
@jetsonIFY
@jetsonIFY 3 жыл бұрын
This is by far the best information I have heard on this incident in the last two days. Well done sir!
@RafblackVIX
@RafblackVIX 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the engineering theoretical background you are giving! Keep up the good work
@marloc2019
@marloc2019 3 жыл бұрын
The informative content of your work is simply awesome!
@silencerbear9347
@silencerbear9347 3 жыл бұрын
Just found your channel. Your ability to articulate these concepts is outstanding. I know what im doing the next few hours. Thanks!!
@Sig320
@Sig320 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been reloading ammunition for a long time and I would bet a lot of money on that round being over powdered or and extremely over crimp.
@CHOPMOP10
@CHOPMOP10 3 жыл бұрын
It was ......that rifle worked perfectly fine
@memeier9894
@memeier9894 3 жыл бұрын
@@CHOPMOP10 other than not having a design that if/when it fails doesnt send shrapnel and a 2 lb cap right into your face/neck area... its perfect.
@reaperreaper5098
@reaperreaper5098 3 жыл бұрын
@@memeier9894 That's pretty much a possibility with EVERY design. A high enough over pressure event can easily turn the bolt into a projectile and/or shrapnelize the gun.
@memeier9894
@memeier9894 3 жыл бұрын
@@reaperreaper5098 with enough pressure sure, but a given volume can only produce so much pressure, and it should be designed in such a way that even if it fails catastrophically, it should do so in a manner that does the least amount of harm possible. In my opinion two little locking ears whizzing past your head and an end cap hitting you in the eye at mach 5 isn't it... I don't blame the rifle for failing, the ammo in my opinion is the culprit, but I do fault the manufacturer for the way in which it was designed or not designed to fail in.
@PatGilliland
@PatGilliland 3 жыл бұрын
Insightful and informed commentary on a horrible accident, thank you.
@justforkicks4499
@justforkicks4499 3 жыл бұрын
This is an impressive inspection with quality engineering references. Props to you bud.
@deejayimm
@deejayimm 3 жыл бұрын
His RN50 had a beefed-up barrel. I wonder if in a standard rifle, overpressure from a sabot WOULD HAVE caused a barrel rupture, but with his having the heavy barrel sent to him by serbu, the barrel was no longer the weak point, and instead it was the threads on the breach?
@jic1
@jic1 3 жыл бұрын
Scott successfully shot an API round just prior to the accident, so I can't see any likely way there could have been a barrel obstruction when he took the last shot.
@tonyparlak9413
@tonyparlak9413 3 жыл бұрын
Mark Serbu mentioned that you guys should talk (see comment on your last video). Have you had a chance to talk to him yet?
@brettthewilder2338
@brettthewilder2338 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine deciding you should talk to a physicist after you design and build a firearm.
@Freakingstang
@Freakingstang 3 жыл бұрын
@me Me they were surplus rounds. Why do you have to go around spouting off information that’s not correct. You’re assuming a lot....
@conorstewart2214
@conorstewart2214 3 жыл бұрын
@@Freakingstang They were sold as surplus rounds, who knows if they had been modified or reloaded or how old they were.
@StelarTheroc
@StelarTheroc 3 жыл бұрын
Wow I m impress of your professionalism of your analysis. Thanks
@thispandaispurple
@thispandaispurple 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and informed video! Thank you for this! I own a Serbu RN-50 and watching all the youtube gun nuts doing their expert takes and telling me that my gun is in fact still safe has been a big relief!
@bruizey7319
@bruizey7319 3 жыл бұрын
Tibosaurus rex pointed out that slap rounds should not be used with any sort of muzzle brake - which was obviously fitted to Scott's rifle. Scott also mentioned that the muzzle flare appeared to be larger in the round he shot before the failure. Seems to be a line of investigation worth pursuing.
@suprememasteroftheuniverse
@suprememasteroftheuniverse 3 жыл бұрын
You're lying to defend a criminal who should get life in prison. You're Serbu's accomplices and also deserve to be arrested. The KZfaq gun community is a completely shame shamelessly jumping in this trend to make easy money making up excuses. Scott used a slap round. He's guilty. Serbu's guilty of his failed totally unsafe design. He said in a video that 50% was not enough safety and would like two or three times pressure resistance. Also Scott told him what kind of ammunition he would use and Serbu sent him a modified rn50. I hope he ends up in jail and all these channels are banned. You instead of saying the truth are trying to hide behind lies to not lose your fake jobs on KZfaq. That's absurd and unmanly. The left will win the war against gun rights and gun channels will finally be banned. Congratulations. Sadly leftists were right about most you in the end.
@PolarisIII
@PolarisIII 3 жыл бұрын
@@suprememasteroftheuniverse you're grasping so hard at straws that don't exist.
@tadferd4340
@tadferd4340 3 жыл бұрын
The sabot obstruction was covered in this video as unlikely.
@tadferd4340
@tadferd4340 3 жыл бұрын
@@suprememasteroftheuniverse Dude, you're insane. Sincerely, a socialist.
@BloPsy__
@BloPsy__ 3 жыл бұрын
It was explained at 4:44 that it would not blow the cap off.
@Lucas12v
@Lucas12v 3 жыл бұрын
This was an excellent video. I feel like you may have been too kind regarding the lack of fail safe design but i understand why you were. I'll definitely be watching more videos from this channel.
@septicwhelk3654
@septicwhelk3654 3 жыл бұрын
A fail safe 50BMG have you any idea how much that would weight ?
@jic1
@jic1 3 жыл бұрын
@@septicwhelk3654 Adding emergency gas vents shouldn't add to the weight, if anything it might slightly reduce it.
@Lucas12v
@Lucas12v 3 жыл бұрын
@@septicwhelk3654 Serbu himself makes a 50 with an enclosed receiver that probably would have failed in a more safe way. Not zero risk of course, but probably less stuff hitting the shooter.
@innercityprepper
@innercityprepper 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful explanation of all of the aspects.
@dynomike11
@dynomike11 3 жыл бұрын
Very clear, well explained evaluation of the incident - just subscribed!
@rydplrs71
@rydplrs71 3 жыл бұрын
You said interrupted threads just as I was thinking of them. Thank you for being one of the minority voices that brings facts, reason and understanding to the discussion. There’s to many youtubers who stayed at a holiday inn express and know exactly what happened with the same evidence as you b
@TheNightrider88
@TheNightrider88 3 жыл бұрын
For some reason I'm happy to hear that muzzle brake and sabots had nothing to do with failure.
@REXOB9
@REXOB9 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your engineering expertise on this issue.
@upholdthesecond92
@upholdthesecond92 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you posting. I enjoyed your engineering perspective on the subject.
@chickenfishhybrid44
@chickenfishhybrid44 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, can't believe I didn't even think about the fact that most barrels are threaded into receivers or held on with a barrel nut as an example of why this method is sufficient lmao.
@ctrlaltdebug
@ctrlaltdebug 3 жыл бұрын
Threads are still more vulnerable to wear and damage from constant use. Cross threading can damage the first thread and grit can gradually erode. You don't unscrew and rescrew your barrel each time you fire. Suppressors for example have been moving to lugged quick connect systems away from threads partly for this issue.
@chickenfishhybrid44
@chickenfishhybrid44 3 жыл бұрын
@@ctrlaltdebug yes that's true about not unscrewing your barrel, still think it proves the base concept. Cross threading? You're doing it all by hand.. to cross thread it and cause serious damage you're going to have to ignore lots of warning and use alot of force to cause serious damage on threads that size. obviously if the threads become damaged that changes things.. Just like if a barrel extension or bolt lug becomes damaged in any other design.. sure there's wear on the threads just from normal use, but it's also a single shot .50, not something people are generally putting thousands of rounds through a year, especially not the person that bought the lowest cost .50 on the market. Threading on the end of most firearm nuzzles are alot smaller and would be more prone to damage or cross threading. Also, tri lug mount suppressors or accessories in general have been around for at least like 40 years, if there was such inherent issues with direct thread cans I'd think they'd be alot further along in phasing it out by now. The main advantage I think most people see from lugged or quick connect type cans is obviously the speed of taking them on and off but also not having to worrying about them walking off.
@robertmurdock9750
@robertmurdock9750 3 жыл бұрын
It's different with the barrel because the cartridge is in the barrel (or chamber) the chamber expands as the cartridge ignites tightening the barrel in the receiver making the joint more secure, plus the barrel is torqued into the receiver to begin with, not so with the breach cap on the firearm in question.
@brettthewilder2338
@brettthewilder2338 3 жыл бұрын
But it’s literally not. As correctly stated in the video it’s not that threads aren’t sufficient it’s that the placement of threads needs to be correct.
@smithwesson3771
@smithwesson3771 3 жыл бұрын
Jeez this guy is underrated by far!
@mooseman684
@mooseman684 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent Video and explanation of threads , strength , and gun design. Thank You !
@thomasa5619
@thomasa5619 3 жыл бұрын
Just found your channel and watched like 30 videos. Love your work
@user-fb8pv1tg9k
@user-fb8pv1tg9k 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for going over this failure/explosion/incident Scott is a very important person to me because of his videos being there during dark times in my life I don’t know what would have happened if GOD FORBID his life was lost i hope he gets some sort of cash reward and is recovering great I see the importance in firearm safety even the little stuff like eye protection now as well so THANK YOU for looking into this
@tbthedozer
@tbthedozer 3 жыл бұрын
The metal ears that help ensure the cap is fully seated also were ripped off by the force from the cartridge. They looked pretty stout, I wonder how much additional energy is required to destroy those too.
@ericsmith5919
@ericsmith5919 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know the metric conversion, but in imperial units it's approximately 1 fuckton ± 1 shitload.
@ericsmith5919
@ericsmith5919 3 жыл бұрын
@@mattmurphy7030 Check any reloading manual and you'll see that there's a world of difference between a "normal looking" cartridge and a "normal acting" cartridge. Throw pistol powder into a .50 BMG case for example, and I defy you to find a gun that WOULDN'T explode from attempting to fire it. The difference between a cartridge and a grenade comes down to some fairly tiny details that an inattentive or inexperienced reloader can easily fuck up. There's a common warning in the reloading community that you should never, under any circumstances, fire a cartridge unless it came A: directly from an ammunition factory, or B: from your own reloading bench. I don't want to blame Scott for what happened, but if you make a habit of firing oddball rounds that you bought from "some guy," there's a good chance one of your guns will eventually blow up in your hands.
@ericsmith5919
@ericsmith5919 3 жыл бұрын
@@mattmurphy7030 I'm honestly not sure where else the shrapnel was supposed to go. Your face is right next to a gun when it fires, and if all that pressure can't go forward then "backward" is pretty much the only option left. I suppose the top of the chamber could be designed as the weakest point, but that would probably cause its own safety issues
@lalli8152
@lalli8152 3 жыл бұрын
I think Serbu mentioned it was estimated they can hold 20k psi of pressure together before shearing off like that
@hardycoffman6896
@hardycoffman6896 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the analysis!
@lukuscarter3563
@lukuscarter3563 3 жыл бұрын
You definitely got my sub. Interesting analysis to say the least.
@marekhlavackovi3677
@marekhlavackovi3677 3 жыл бұрын
Love this kind of technical analysis/gun failure analysis videos!! I know you made one in the past but no more after that (except this incident). was it not successful enough? Or why else not make more?
@jamesab722
@jamesab722 3 жыл бұрын
Everybody's talkin' 'bout the threads of the cap, but what about those EARS?! The cap flippin sheared those things right off the gun!
@Hikari_Sakurai
@Hikari_Sakurai 3 жыл бұрын
I said this in Serbu's video that they should make them longer so if something like this happens it won't shear them off like that.
@sebastiend.5335
@sebastiend.5335 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for another great video. Greetings from the Netherlands
@chadh3441
@chadh3441 3 жыл бұрын
Well, according to the formula that's used to determine psi load bearing limitations in relation to thread diameter, pitch, angle, and depth, the load bearing limit is 160000 psi. So, by knowing the average pressure produced by a standard .50 cal round, its suffice to say that Serbu's design is rated at almost 3 times higher than what standard . 50cal rounds produce. I'm not sure if any firearm made could withstand that much overpressure. 160,000 pounds per square inch is just such an insane amount of pressure and is almost impossible to even fathom just how much that is!
@AdamAus85
@AdamAus85 3 жыл бұрын
Hey man, appreciated your humour in the last video. Too many painful bastards in this world. Cheers from Australia.
@snazzyarchitect
@snazzyarchitect 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant review , and interrupted threads is a good idea. But I'm wary of anything that doesn't have a fixed hunk of metal between the bolt and my face lol...
@beardly0121
@beardly0121 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I mean if you got money to buy a .50bmg rifle why not get either the bfg50 or the one I'd prefer which is the Armalite AR50? They're like a thousand bucks more which is a hell of a lot less than any hospital bill!
@Kaboomf
@Kaboomf 3 жыл бұрын
Done right, interrupted threads can also serve as gas vent holes pointing in a safe direction. When in the locked position, the milled-away portion of the threads line up to form wide open channels forward. Make these line up with relief cuts on the barrel so any leaked gas can safely vent forward away from the shooter, and Bob's year auntie. Of course, interrupted threads have less engagement area so you need a longer thread section for the same strength. Also, unlike a simple threaded cap these would need careful fitting so they close up with full engagement at the correct headspace, the current design is self headspacing and automatically corrects for wear or ammo variables by always screwing down to zero headspace. Thus, going to interrupted threads would increase cost and possibly reduce accuracy.
@jic1
@jic1 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kaboomf If I recall correctly what Mark Serbu said about why he didn't use interrupted threads, the two main issues were machining the threads themselves (apparently much more difficult than it seems), and more importantly adding an effective out-of-battery safety.
@ammotoretail4745
@ammotoretail4745 3 жыл бұрын
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@edvineyard1143
@edvineyard1143 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and well-stated evaluation of the event.
@forrestwardener
@forrestwardener 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your vids.
@jdjk7
@jdjk7 3 жыл бұрын
This was actually really interesting to watch.
@isaaccisa
@isaaccisa 3 жыл бұрын
One thing I noticed in the design that I haven't heard anybody comment on are the locking ears. If they were longer (or even extended back to the end of the lower) they would probably have not sheared off, and wouldn't have created the shrapnel that nearly killed Scott.
@alex4alexn
@alex4alexn 3 жыл бұрын
That cap came off like a rocket....those locking ears would have to be a thick as a roll of dimes to contain that cap, just my two cents, cheers
@weeksey49
@weeksey49 3 жыл бұрын
great points
@joehall3459
@joehall3459 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video
@justcuzimjordan9477
@justcuzimjordan9477 3 жыл бұрын
Very insightful. Thank you
@purdysanchez
@purdysanchez 3 жыл бұрын
You should start a segment where you just do videos on these sorts of topics
@wrbowcalifyrobertson5087
@wrbowcalifyrobertson5087 3 жыл бұрын
The cap tabs that sheared off could be beefed up or designed to deflect cap upwards maybe.
@Jaggedhalo66
@Jaggedhalo66 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video and explanation.
@chrislang5659
@chrislang5659 3 жыл бұрын
What a great analogy!
@peteraugust5295
@peteraugust5295 3 жыл бұрын
This video is 13/11 for sure! Thanks so much for this and thanks for this incredible analysis of the case friction topic. I really wonder how you became a ballistician though. Where do you start? Where do you obtain the knowledge? Is there schools for it? Because honestly, I am a mechanical Engineer and I know some qualified gun makers but most of the in depth ballistics knowledge is neither part of the first nor the latter. Would be really curious on how to get into the position you are in, just in case I start to hate my job one day haha
@LoremIpsum1970
@LoremIpsum1970 3 жыл бұрын
@Backyard Ballistics as Mark reached out to you in the comments to the last video, have you got in touch with him on this?
@patrickr2686
@patrickr2686 3 жыл бұрын
I'd also like to know
@davidv.3135
@davidv.3135 3 жыл бұрын
Great insight! Thanks!
@misterbacon4933
@misterbacon4933 3 жыл бұрын
You are very precise with your logic!
@19UnoUno
@19UnoUno 3 жыл бұрын
If Ian is "Gun Jesus", "Backyard Ballistics" is "Gun Einstein". Great vid.
@suprememasteroftheuniverse
@suprememasteroftheuniverse 3 жыл бұрын
That's blasphemy. You should have more respect.
@elburropeligroso4689
@elburropeligroso4689 3 жыл бұрын
I hope Mark remakes the RN-50 with some sort of interrupted thread breech like are used in artillery guns.
@Phoenix_Atlas
@Phoenix_Atlas 3 жыл бұрын
That would be a lot more expensive and I'm sure the rifle is designed the way it is to be cheap for a .50
@elburropeligroso4689
@elburropeligroso4689 3 жыл бұрын
@@Phoenix_Atlas it would not be that much more expensive. All it would really do for that type of breech is add a couple more turning operations on the lathe and maybe another milling operation. Besides, I think it would be worth the extra $200-300 per gun to incorporate that kind of safety measure, especially after having such a public display of the inherent weakness of the screw on breech.
@JohnDoe-nf7up
@JohnDoe-nf7up 3 жыл бұрын
@@elburropeligroso4689 the inherent weakness that is rated at 20000psi over what the caliber should top out at
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын
@@elburropeligroso4689 a weakness that appeared at over 50% the maximum rated pressure of a .50bmg cartridge.
@camojoe83
@camojoe83 3 жыл бұрын
I hope he recalls all of them.
@parkerlayfield4812
@parkerlayfield4812 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative! One thing to consider as well are the “ears” that were located behind the cap that were sheared off as well
@GetMeThere1
@GetMeThere1 3 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video on this topic. I'm so glad you have spoken up about this. I'm ALSO glad I watched this because you mention the SIG Blaser action. I own the "Tactical II" version of that rifle/action -- with 338 LM and 300 WM barrels; after your video, LOL, I am going to consider selling that rifle!
@sinisterthoughts2896
@sinisterthoughts2896 3 жыл бұрын
Just use good ammo. It would require irresponsibly over pressured rounds to have it fail. That said, do what makes you feel comfortable, no one can blame you for that.
@jonadolfsson7777
@jonadolfsson7777 3 жыл бұрын
@@sinisterthoughts2896 That is what Blaser claims. However, I personally know a guy with failed lugs. He only managed to fire a few factory loads before they let go.
@PaulVerhoeven2
@PaulVerhoeven2 3 жыл бұрын
Good video. Where did you get the graph at 5:04?
@Mike_858
@Mike_858 3 жыл бұрын
That's from quickload, a program for reloading ammunition.
@BolinFoto
@BolinFoto 3 жыл бұрын
The difference between a "Couch Forensic Investigator" and a "Professional Forensic Investigator" is that the Professional accepts the right answer even if it's a boring and uninteresting one and the Couch Forensic Investigator never accepts the right answer if it's not fantastic enough. Good video of course the threads failed from overpressure.
@jugganaut33
@jugganaut33 3 жыл бұрын
The difference between a couch forensic investigator and a ‘professional’ is the guy on the couch attacks the problem in his personal time because they’re passionate about it the process and quest for knowledge; the ‘professional’ just does it for money. You’re shitting (unnecessarily) on a lot of self made billionaires who began their careers as enthusiasts and for that you’re a POS.
@sinisterthoughts2896
@sinisterthoughts2896 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the insights.
@akashmukherjee2405
@akashmukherjee2405 3 жыл бұрын
You're a great engineer and explainer
@PavewayJDAM
@PavewayJDAM 3 жыл бұрын
Amazed how the gun community can come together, without emotion and diagnosing a problem, and find a solution in a civilized manner. Gives credence to the old saying 'A polite society is an armed society'
@nooblangpoo
@nooblangpoo 3 жыл бұрын
This only increases my knowledge on how to make homemade guns more reliable and safer.
@SEAKPhotog
@SEAKPhotog 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff. Thanks!
@jonathanrogers9961
@jonathanrogers9961 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative. thank you!
@jasontrewin123
@jasontrewin123 3 жыл бұрын
Scott is lucky to be alive. Maybe due quality of rifle or his skill. He’s lucky to be alive (ammo has to be the issue). Good content and presentation
@tubeguy4066
@tubeguy4066 3 жыл бұрын
@I need more constructive outlets its cheap for a reason
@OttoTheWeim
@OttoTheWeim 3 жыл бұрын
This is a much more scientific evaluation and much better than Trex was postulating with the slap sabot plastic build up.
@usptact
@usptact 3 жыл бұрын
Great presentation!
@ekim000
@ekim000 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, this was fascinating.
@christopherscott6435
@christopherscott6435 3 жыл бұрын
I'd have to say that some clown tumbled that slap ammo for days to get the corrosion off of it and turned the powder into a superfine powder and increased the burn rate 10 fold. He probably bought them off gunbroker.
@MJPilote
@MJPilote 3 жыл бұрын
Or there was some moisture and uncontrollable pressure rise that ignite the whole charge at once, not burning controlled manner like it should but exploded.
@MrT13
@MrT13 3 жыл бұрын
Or these are 100% homemade with a lathe made penatrator. Homemade poly sabot that’s super clear and has no precuts. A shiny new case. And no crimp on it. Or link marks. Like every single original slap ever made. With who knows what powder in it. Being shot through a weird couple threads screw cap gun with a breach held together by a hollow thin pin.
@MrT13
@MrT13 3 жыл бұрын
@@mattmurphy7030 cause it was lol. But apparently if you go on mark surbu video blaming the ammo he just says cap is good for xxxxxxxxxxxxx amount of psi. Well 4 threads and a couple thin trunnions with a hollow pin was sorta left out.
@MrT13
@MrT13 3 жыл бұрын
@@mattmurphy7030 and the fact that your definitely not supposed to shoot sabots through brakes. Didn’t mention that either.
@MrT13
@MrT13 3 жыл бұрын
@@mattmurphy7030 I mean I do feel bad for them both. One the one hand a good personality blew himself up with an extremely dangerous gun. On the other hand some good personality guy blew himself up with one of my extremely under failure guns... but I’m not going to allow ppls ignorance about a cap gun held together with 4 threads and a hollow pin. Or the extremely well known aspect of shooting any type of non complete metal projectile through a brake. Those things swell up as soon as it leaves the crown. And hit the brake. That’s why they don’t issue these to portable systems. They are only made and used on links in non brake 50s. Ppl can deny the brake all they want but it’s all right there. In big red letters in the manual.
@ZeroBoostBuick
@ZeroBoostBuick 3 жыл бұрын
Your English is better than many American born folk !
@stevebettany8778
@stevebettany8778 3 жыл бұрын
That is not hard
@Hawkido
@Hawkido 3 жыл бұрын
LOL, Arky here and I am ashamed that I have to agree.
@RobertELee420
@RobertELee420 3 жыл бұрын
@@stevebettany8778 All you have to do is not say LIKE every other word.....
@ethanbrule7865
@ethanbrule7865 3 жыл бұрын
great video, very knowledgeable. Thank you
@somebloke13
@somebloke13 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video 👍
@andrewnewton9137
@andrewnewton9137 3 жыл бұрын
Could it have been caused if the round was a re-load using a thinned case, hot load and over crimping of the neck?
@Batonix80
@Batonix80 3 жыл бұрын
That might be a possibility, these factors would certainly contribute, making it more likely to fail. but it also depends on the chamber dimensions and headspace of that particular firearm because these factors determine how and where would the brass case stretch and flow.
@user-cr4sc1ht9t
@user-cr4sc1ht9t 3 жыл бұрын
Biggest problem by far is gun did not fail safe
@RezaQin
@RezaQin 3 жыл бұрын
Don't shoot too hot, not manufactured, and experimental rounds through any of your guns. Basically, a way overloaded handload.
@maledetto1221
@maledetto1221 3 жыл бұрын
Plus very old rounds that are available only between others private owners and not reliable sellers
@luxnova8211
@luxnova8211 3 жыл бұрын
WHAAAT, you mean to say that I can't load a 1oz slug in a 12 guage, use as much pistol powder that will fit in the shell, and shoot it safely? What kind of world do we live in. On another note, anyone looking to buy a broken 870, the barrel was weak and blew up on me. Also, anyone know any good prostetic manufactures for right hands.
@LangstonDev
@LangstonDev 3 жыл бұрын
@@luxnova8211 🤣
@winniethepoohandeeyore2
@winniethepoohandeeyore2 3 жыл бұрын
@@luxnova8211 lol
@fookyu1621
@fookyu1621 3 жыл бұрын
Seriously though most through evaluation of the situation and the most removed from the event. You sir are an excellent detective.... id convict on your presentation regardless
@ch0cchip704
@ch0cchip704 3 жыл бұрын
I can only say that was brilliant very well explained
@randomargument972
@randomargument972 3 жыл бұрын
Idea for a reason: 1st. someone tampered with propellant 2nd. propellant degraded into smaller faster burning charge 3rd. booby trapped I want your opinion plz on 2nd explanation, can old ammo become dangerous overtime to shoot? Propellant goes into smaller bits, faster burning and more pressure creating??
@hobofactory
@hobofactory 3 жыл бұрын
Allegedly #2 is why Turkish 8mm surplus ammo is unsafe to shoot. Ian did a video on it.
@randomargument972
@randomargument972 3 жыл бұрын
@@hobofactory what's the video called? :)))
@jic1
@jic1 3 жыл бұрын
@@randomargument972 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d9ueqbCbyLC0eI0.html
@f0rumrr
@f0rumrr 3 жыл бұрын
Ive seen a lot of videos about this incident, and think the biggest lesson to be learned is. Be careful where you get your ammo from.
@billysouth4698
@billysouth4698 3 жыл бұрын
Solid analysis!
@marvindebot3264
@marvindebot3264 3 жыл бұрын
Very well said sir, subscribed.
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