Thanks!

That’s the machine I wanted to buy but there wasn’t enough coin in the budget so ended up going with a used 200 Iv st Those machines are pricey new but seem like awesome machines

Hi am Geoffrey KARANJA from Nairobi. Which software best

@@turbocityenterprisekaranja5434 Hi Geoffrey. Software for what to do?

@@renetr6771 you use mastercam?

@@christophercolumbus8944 Hello Chris Col, no we sometimes use alphacam (but im not in this, at the moment). Our machines have Mazatrol "Matrix" or higher, so for the most operations you don't need a cam system. We use it only for freeforms, the is programmed on the machines. Faster, and easier to change if needet. The most things are also easy to programm on older controllsytems like 640mt pro.

@@renetr6771 i agree with you i rarely use EIA but if i do it's a pain i am looking for a post processor specifically for mazak

About 5-6 months ago I made two videos called “Lathe tool tip comp 1 and 2. Check those out if you haven’t already.

@@EdgePrecision Will do, Peter! Thanks for posting those.

With the Insta 360 X3 camera that is all done in post. The camera takes a spherical video in all directions. You select the view angle and zoom afterwards.

The small ones yes but he has one of the bigger e series they are like the new i series with a true y acis

@@ianagos4276 I thought that might have been the case but I wasn't 100% because I haven't used one of the e series before.

@@hdfanboy yea I had a mk4 and I just bought another mk4 and they are really just fancy live tool lathes with only 4” of y axis stroke.

you can set whether you want to use tool offsets or tool data by default- it is in the parameters menu on the control. Check the machine and user parameters and change the bits accordingly

Yes in the Insta 360 app.

I have seen videos of this kind of turning. I do like the idea but. You see most machines are setup to turn in the X axis. So all the offsets are usually in the X and Z axis. Though my machine does have wear offsets in the Y axis for a turning tool. So the setup of the tool would be the problem and generating the code to do it. I did once try to bore in the Y axis once and couldn’t really get it to work on my machine. You see my machine only has -10.0 mm of X axis travel. So if I have a bore or c-bore with a flat bottom face that goes to center if the bar is any larger than 5/8” I can’t face to center in the X axis. So I thought I will do it in the Y axis. Because I have over 12” of travel in both directions plus and minus in Y. But I couldn’t for some reason get the machine to turn in the Y axis. But I didn’t spend a lot of time on it because I had to get a job done. Maybe I could get Esprit support to rig up something in the machine post file to output cod for this. This is another problem even if you have a turning cycle in the cam software positioned in the Y axis. It will still output code as if it was the X axis. So the post would have to be configured to do it as well. I could manually program it I suppose. So it looks good but how to efficiently do it is a problem.

@@EdgePrecision yes, I admit I had not really thought about the other factors. Happy new year

No I don't use it. The machine even has a laser toolsetter. But it never functioned sense I have owned the machine. I can see the laser beam in a piece of white paper but it wont detect a tool. Something is wrong with the receiver end I guess. The tool eye is for lathe tools and the laser is for milling tools. The tool eye is so much trouble to use in its deployed position, that I find it easier to manually touch off tools. I would like the laser toolsetter but I just don't want to spend the money to make it work. I kind of like to touch tools off manually because the display gives me a verification of their location when doing so.

I see later in the video that it seems to be some sort of persistent tool center point control in mazatrol... Wish my life was that easy

Rotating the coordinate system applies more to milling tools. You could do it on a turning operation I suppose. But normally you wouldn’t because the center of the turning spindle is always in the same place. But for milling tools yes when the B axis is rotated. Except for true 5 axis cuts then it isn’t rotated.

@@EdgePrecision so on your control if I had a turning tool and I did "G0 X0 Y0 Z0 B0; G01 B-45.;" Would it only the B axis move or would it hold the tip of the tool stationary while doing so? What about "G0 X0 Y0 Z0 B0; G01 X0 Y0 Z0 B-45.;"?

You need to look at Esprit TNG. The simulation and the post are perfect for my machine. And yes you can use the Mazatrol tool data just like I show in this video.

@@EdgePrecision I’ll need to look into getting tng I know the regular esprit was not cheap at all. Not sure if they will allow me to use tng or if I’d need to buy another license. Not sure I could swing another license for how useless their support team was and sending a bad post

Thanks I will keep all that in mind.

OK with both methods. You first index the B to the 45 degrees that it will turn at, and be in the turning mode. Then with the tool setter. First get the tool page on that tools offset. Then touch off one axis. Lets say the X first. When it probes it it appears nothing happened. But just probe the Z after that. Then it will calculate the A and B dimensions automatically. Or you may have to push the calculate soft key and push enter. (I don't do it this way but I think that's what you do). To manually do it (This is the way I do it). If you already have a turned face and diameter on a piece of stock in the machine and have the Z zero set to that face. Bring the tool up to that face very carefully so it is just touching it. Note the Z number on the position display. Then carefully jog the tool so it is just touching your turned diameter. Then jog the Z back to the Z number you noted for the face. Now the projected point of the tool is setting on the face and the diameter. DON'T MOVE THE TOOL FROM THIS POSITION UNTIL YOUR DONE!!! Now go to the tools offset. At the bottom when you put the cursor on the A dimension there should be these soft keys at the bottom. Teach X Teach Z and Calculate. Select the Teach X. It will say enter the distance from center. This is the radius of the diameter you touched the tool on. Enter that it will appear like nothing happened but it jumped and high lighted the teach Z soft key. But the cursor didn't move to the B dimension. Don't worry that's normal. Now it is asking you to enter the distance from the chuck face in Z for the Z. (If you don't know that number. (It will change depending on where your G54 Z zero is set). But you have set the Z zero in G54 to That Face. Enter Zero. The highlight will move to the calculate soft key. Just push enter again. It will fill in the A and B dimensions on the offset. THEY ARE NOT CORRECT YET!!! Go to your position display note the Z position (YOU HAVEN'T MOVED THE TOOL!!!) wright it down. This will be the distance to the Chuck face but its negative and you want to use a positive distance for the calculation of Z.) Go back to the tool offset. REMEMBER YOU HAVEN'T MOVED THE TOOL!!!! Repeat what you just did but when it comes to entering the distance to the chuck face for Z enter the positive distance you wrote down for the Z position earlier. Then when it highlights the calculate soft key push enter. Now it will fill in the A and B dimensions correctly. Go to your position display it should be at correct for the X diameter and be on Z zero. Now the tool is set after you enter the radius size. That's a long explanation maybe I should make a video on this. Hope this helps.

@@EdgePrecision Thanks 👍

In theory that is possible, but I have never done it before.

Yes I do like it for this kind of video. It saves a lot of time shooting the video over a conventual camera. I can just set the camera in one place and not be concerned with the framing of the clips. Then after do it all in the post edit.

@@EdgePrecision Thanks

If you mean turning parts off center. Yes, that’s one of the reasons I have a 4-jaw chuck on the machine. I mostly do oilfield type parts. It is very common for them to have two different centerlines.

Hey Amberas, if you can do 5-axis synchron-machining depends on the buyed options for this machine(u can buy more options from mazak). U can see what options are "installed"- there is a screen under ..mh.. not sure "maintenance/options" or so. The i-serie is really impressive, not so stable like the old mark III or mark IV, but really fast and really free in all axes.

@@renetr6771 Thanks! I will have to check that out. It's a mark IV with Matrix; really looking forward to see what she can do!

@@SchweinungHD Oh man, i love the mark IV, it ever was my favourite integrex-machine. I had a mark IV 300 ST (Subspindel and lower turret). Had a lot of power on the both turning spindels and also on the millspindel. If u use mastercam, its not so important which controller-software runs on it, but the mazatrol is also great for programming fast and precisely in all axis. Matrix is much more powerfull as the old 640-Fusion, give it a chance, u will love it. We only use cam-software for freeforms and 5-axis simultan, becaue in mazatrol, u are really really fast, and it makes easier to change details of the programm later. Best of it is the ranking number for tools. Cant explain it exaclty because my english-skills are limited.

@@renetr6771 No problem, english is not my first language either! I've used 640 now for 2 years, but this Integrex has Matrix. Very fast and efficient to program most jobs. But my boss and I agree that I should learn to use this machine with Mastercam a lot more too, but they haven't really learned to use Mastercam for mill-turn. So I'm trying to find videos for using Mastercam for mill-turn

@@SchweinungHD When i can ask, what is your 1 language? Of course, the possibilities of an integrex with a cam-system are endless, but matrix has some genius features that your cam system does not have, or it needs to go back to your cam and let out a new g-code for this. I try to explain.. ahm.. u can say the machine, to use tools in a specific ranking. so if u have at some places in the programm where the 10mm endmill is changed in.. u can say the matrix, it should doing all the operations with 10mm endmill at the same time. It sounds not that great, but if u use a lot of subprogramms, u can tell it to do that over all your subprogramms. That saves a lot of time. Maybe i can resolve some of your questions to cam on integrex too.

I touch the tools off to the same reference point. It could be done on the part (If you know the location of any where that you know the location.) what is being done is measuring the length of the tool from the spindle face. This could even be done with a tool setter on the bench. Depending on the job I normally set the Z offset with the Haimer probe that has been calibrated for its length in it's offset. So this is done to the same spindle face as the tool offsets. Or it could be done with the Renishaw spindle probe. The only reason I may (I don't always it depends on the setup) set the Z offset with the Haimer probe is if the parts are varying in location. On this job I did not face these tubes to length so the lengths were not all the same. So I set the Z offset on every part just to be safe. This isn't necessary on all setups.

@@EdgePrecision thank you for taking the time to answer this, been working on trying to get g54 offsets setup with our Integrex 200iii w/ pro control. If you think of it in your next video, can you show how you setup tools using the control? thanks again

@@EdgePrecision Hi, is it ok to email you? I had problems w/ the tool changer, that i just recently got fixed, now im back to trying to get the g54 offsets to work. I wrote up how its working on my machine, which seems a little different than what you experience...

@@sbtl8888 Yes If I can help. Put something in the description so I know its you. Otherwise I might delete the email. . peter.edge.pre@gmail.com

The wear offsets don’t change, just the overall offset changes when touching off a tool. It’s just the way it works. So the wear offsets would have to be manually changed. So you do have to keep track of that. Sometimes this is good and sometimes not. It kind of depends which way the wear was set. On my machine I don’t use the tool probe so I just automatically set the wear when touching off a new tool.

Yes you can make programs at the control. In fact on any control that allows you to edit a program. You can also make a new program at the control. On this control you can make a Mazatrol program in that format. Or manually enter a G code program, if you understand that format.

@@EdgePrecision ok. Mori has caps for programming at control. I run a mori 2500y and do all programs at machine cause I don’t have a seat for mastercam for that machine. Going to try to use the seat for the new mori mill turn we bought. I think I can use the lathe side on mill turn and use it for the y axis lathe

I use Mazatrol tool definitions/tool data on my machine so I will describe that. On the Mazatrol running an EIA program on a Integrex. To give a example. Lets say you want to change to tool 3B and lets say it is a turning tool. Notice the B destination. The tooloffset page in the Mazatrol uses A,B,C,D exct. for the tool assignments on it's offset pages (If you are using Mazatrol tool data). But in EIA there is no such command, in order to access this you give the command of M06 T3.02 (My example tool 3B). You will notice there is no offset data here the .02 is for the B offset of tool 3. This will change to tool 3B in the control. The rest of the offset information is set in the Mazatrol control offset window for tool 3B (Our example). So there you set the tool type. If it is a lathe tool you would set the clamp orientation of the B axis spindle and the A and B dimension of the turning tool on that tools window. Just as if you are running a Mazatrol program. There is a issue with running tip comp that is a little hard to explain in this comment. But most turning doesn't require this. The actual orientation of the tool while turning is in the G-Code of the program. The B axis rotation and movements. This has to coincide with your tool data you set for the tool to turn in the codes location. For instance if you are turning a OD with B at 90 degrees toward the chuck. Then the tool clamp/orientation has to face the turning insert toward that direction with B at 90 degrees. If you posistion the B correct and the tool is correct everything thing else works like a normal lathe. Here is a example of cod run on my machine for a finish turn with tool 6B (6.02). *********************************************************************************** N2 (FINISH OD) T6.02 T43 M6 (#6.02 FINISH OD) [This Is Changing To Tool 6B and calling too 43] G90 G53 X15.35 Y-12.5 G90 G53 Z25. G10.9 X1 [Turning mode] M202 M238 G97 S208 R1 M203 [Spindle gear speed and turn on turning spindle right hand rotation] G54 [Fixture offset] M108 G0 B90. [The B axis rotation] M107 G92 S500 R1 G96 S150 R1 M203 G43 P1 H6 Z1. M51 [Calling the tools offset very similar (It knows its tool 6B because it is in the spindle) to a milling tool and moving to Z and the coolant thru the spindle] I think this is roughing a thread relief then finish turning the OD. Insert for this tool is a VBMT 332? or 331? (Cant remember old program) ********************************************** Everything below here is the movement cod X6.75 Y0. Z-1.5361 X3.9021 G1 G95 X3.895 Z-1.5326 F.006 X3.8669 Z-1.5466 Z-1.7669 X3.895 G0 X3.9069 Z-1.5466 G1 X3.8669 X3.8387 Z-1.5607 Z-1.7669 X3.8669 G0 X3.8787 Z-1.5607 G1 X3.8387 X3.8106 Z-1.5748 Z-1.7669 X3.8387 G0 X3.8506 Z-1.5748 G1 X3.8106 X3.7825 Z-1.5888 Z-1.7669 X3.8106 G0 X3.8225 Z-1.5888 G1 X3.7825 X3.7544 Z-1.6029 Z-1.7669 X3.7825 G0 X3.7944 Z-1.6029 G1 X3.7544 X3.7262 Z-1.617 Z-1.7669 X3.7544 G0 X3.7662 Z-1.617 G1 X3.7262 X3.6981 Z-1.631 Z-1.7641 G2 G18 X3.7247 Z-1.767 I.0119 K.0231 G1 X3.7263 Z-1.7669 G0 X3.7381 Z-1.631 G1 X3.6981 X3.6852 Z-1.6375 G2 X3.67 Z-1.6568 I.0184 K-.0184 G1 X3.6701 Z-1.7424 G2 X3.6981 Z-1.7641 I.026 K.0014 G1 X3.7027 Z-1.7597 G0 X6.75 Z1. (FINISH OD) Z.05 X2.888 G1 X2.7148 F.004 G2 X2.888 Z0. I.0866 K.05 G1 X3.538 G3 X3.569 Z-.0042 I0. K-.031 G1 X3.844 Z-.0835 G3 X3.875 Z-.1104 I-.0155 K-.0268 G1 Z-1.5185 G3 X3.8568 Z-1.5404 I-.031 K0. G1 X3.667 Z-1.6353 G2 X3.65 Z-1.6569 I.0205 K-.0205 G1 X3.6501 Z-1.6579 Z-1.7425 G2 X3.7038 Z-1.7699 I.029 K.0015 G1 X4.568 Z-1.77 G3 X4.6118 Z-1.7791 I0. K-.031 G1 X4.8207 Z-1.8835 X4.8914 Z-1.8482 G0 X6.75 Z1. M9 G53 X15.35 Y-12.5 G53 Z25. M1 I don't know if this helps or is more confusing. This is hard to explain in a comment. Le me know if you have further questions.

@@EdgePrecision thanks no this was very helpful but if i write M6 it opens the chuck but it does want to start working oddly enough so id have to keep it simple and write T1010 tool number 10 offset 10

@@christophercolumbus8944 I can’t imagen why a M6 would open a chuck on any machine.

Not knowing what machine and it what axis or orientation you want to mill the hex your question is not possible to answer.

@@EdgePrecision 5 axis integrex

@@EdgePrecision 0 degree

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