Falcons shocking Michael Penix Jr. pick, was this a smart move? | NFL

Falcons shocking Michael Penix Jr. pick, was this a smart move? | NFL | SPEAK

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The Atlanta Falcons drafted Michael Penix Jr. with the 8th overall pick despite signing Kirk Cousins to a $180 million contract this offseason. Emmanuel Acho, Joy Taylor, LeSean McCoy, and Dave Helman discuss if this was the right move by Atlanta.
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@SpeakOnFS1 Ай бұрын

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@terrancepotlow7712 Ай бұрын

Signing an aging quarterback for $100 guaranteed coming off an injury is the only thing wrong here.

@DerQuanDoucett Ай бұрын

Idk why ppl don’t see this

@Noliestold-np6qi Ай бұрын

You think about that before you pay him and draft a quarterback in the top of the draft.

@coreychillis9754 Ай бұрын

Yeah then then get this young man to save this white man job if he gets injured again

@YouReallyDontKnow Ай бұрын

Cousins is “aging” Michael penix is far from it

@AkonFenty1992 Ай бұрын

And drafting an injury prone player was better? Not a Falcons fan but I feel bad for them.

@allencarnes2477 Ай бұрын

If Acho thinks something is a great move then it’s definitely a bad move.

@ADUSN Ай бұрын

He's an idiot but don't put that evil on us😂💀

@luicabral942 Ай бұрын

I think you mean Shady McCoy😅😂

@coreychillis9754 Ай бұрын

It's a good move cuz think about it Kurt don't got long and he might get hurt again

@allencarnes2477 Ай бұрын

@@coreychillis9754 using that logic why would you sign him for a long term guaranteed deal then?

@allencarnes2477 Ай бұрын

@@luicabral942 no I mean both of them.

@johnpendleton9326 Ай бұрын

Picking 8th who didn't think he would be there,no one.

@sandworld1432 Ай бұрын

The only defense is that they did not expect the QB would be available at 8th pick.

@contentm3893 Ай бұрын

@@sandworld1432 No.

@justinsmith4158 Ай бұрын

Penix was always gonna be there at 8... Maybe I should be a GM, coulda saved the falcons $100MM

@johnpendleton9326 Ай бұрын

@@justinsmith4158 yes I agree

@sandworld1432 Ай бұрын

@@justinsmith4158 That is why you won’t be a GM. From GM’s personal interest, signing Kirk Cousins and drafting Penix is the only way to keep his GM’s job the longest

@TexanEagleFan Ай бұрын

Dave spitting facts they needed defense 😂😂😂

@randomupdates4013 Ай бұрын

Because Dave though a journalist and reporter, does his own homework too. He don’t just rely on assistants notes

@Rickolee Ай бұрын

YES, WE DO!!!!

@salomelopez3986 Ай бұрын

Lmao these guys dont know what they talking about🤣 thats why they want Dave in the show puts them to shame

@hb2645 Ай бұрын

Facts. Dave was cooking in this segment.

@brodgers04 Ай бұрын

QB is the most important position. None of those pass rushers were all that. Turner went 17 but they wanted the falcons to get him at 8? Come on man! That should tell you something.

@RB-.- Ай бұрын

Do Joy and Acho not understand how rookie contracts work and how expensive Kirks contract is? There is no defending this pick.

@carbon.the.christ5626 Ай бұрын

Basing it off Jordan love having one good year is the craziest part of this imo. But if they really love Pennix it halfway makes sense

@wwefanman1000 Ай бұрын

@carbon.the.christ5626 it don't even make a like of sense cause if that was the case the should have got a stop gap qb and not a 4 year long term deal it's kinda stupid

@alcozar5905 Ай бұрын

@@wwefanman1000Inly the first 2 are guaranteed.

@AJ-zt6mf Ай бұрын

yes there is yall just don't want to listen to it lmaoooo

@redsky4430 Ай бұрын

The Falcons have a limited window of time to maximize the talent that they have and cousins was the best QB available to do that. A Smith was fired because of poor QB play. Regardless of pieces, without a QB you have nothing. Drafting Penix was also a great move for the future. If Kirk gets injured or ages out they have a viable backup. He also has time to learn behind Kirk instead of getting thrown to the wolves like Ridder and Bryce Young.

@zinx3213 Ай бұрын

FS1 Producers : rock paper scissor; losers have to defend the Falcons.

@GreenlightBze Ай бұрын

Falcons made the best move .. only people that disagree are the people who never played the players all agreed

@tpipandpop4242 Ай бұрын

@@GreenlightBzeDefend your position without attacking others.

@GreenlightBze Ай бұрын

@@tpipandpop4242 tell me where did I attack him ? Don't throw rocks and run .

@thekillabum Ай бұрын

@GreenlightBze you wanted them to say publicly that their possible future starting qb was a bad pick?

@GreenlightBze Ай бұрын

@@thekillabum they stayed at 8 to get him I wholeheartedly believe they regret paying Kirk 180 but might be ok with the 30 mil dead money if he's traded in 1-2 years

@kelvinoconner1660 Ай бұрын

Aaron Rodgers was declining? He won 2 MVPs after

@Keith-yf9wq Ай бұрын

His last year in GB he didn't have one 300 yard passing game. That's why they say he was declining.

@gabiramdhanny3347 Ай бұрын

They year before he won that first back to back he was declining……. He won those back to back AFTER they drafted j love

@user-ll6zn3xv9v Ай бұрын

No SB.

@qaxcgyujm Ай бұрын

Rodgers statistically at the end of his time with McCarthy to his first year with Lafleur had declined even though they went 13-3 and got blown out by the 49ers in the NFC Championship in Lafleurs first year so the writing was on the wall maybe they should look at a future secession plan. The Packers never thought he was gonna win another 2 MVPs after they drafted Jordan. After the 2 MVPs though he had arguably his worst year since he was a first year starter so it made it easy to justify trading him.

@johanjames4663 Ай бұрын

Come on kirk won one one one playoff games in his 13 year career ....is that worth $100 million ?

@justsaying5633 Ай бұрын

I’m wit Dave 👍🏾it makes absolutely no sense to pay cousins that much money if you’re going to draft a QB first round.

@tregainsfitness4928 Ай бұрын

Right im ngl they shoulda got the pass rusher from UCLA 😂

@coreychillis9754 Ай бұрын

Yup then draft a QB who you know might get hurt again so now they need a rookie to cover for them

@daa_97 Ай бұрын

It’s easy the QB they wanted was there so they took him it’s not hard to understand if penix was off the board they don’t draft a QB he just fell in their lap idk how yall not understanding that

@kb3001 Ай бұрын

I'm a saints fan. And I hate to admit it I agree with acho falcons are thinking long term. If pennix can stay healthy they have their QB of the future. Kirk got 100 million guaranteed. That's 2 years. Pennix get 2 years, 2 more drafts to learn the NFL and get bigger and healthier. Imo

@AJ-zt6mf Ай бұрын

my god man that kirk signing was a security blanket for terry. no matter what this team has to make it to the playoffs or terry is fired. in that market kirk was the best qb available. in the interview after that pick raheem said that "hopefully we'll never draft this high again" and just listen to the way terry responded. he knows..

@carrisonvaughn1671 Ай бұрын

Herbert did start his first game he just wasn't supposed to lol

@marcusmcgraw3519 Ай бұрын

He started week 2, and it was only cuz the team doctor punctured the starting quarterback’s lung

@DerQuanDoucett Ай бұрын

@@marcusmcgraw3519that to me showed if the man upstairs got a plan, ain’t nun yu can do to stop it 😂😂

@Jaybrown223 Ай бұрын

@@marcusmcgraw3519the Dr stabbed him on purpose....

@SurveySteph Ай бұрын

I was just about to say that lol@@marcusmcgraw3519

@itsRiske11 Ай бұрын

@@Jaybrown223 Yeah usually when a doctor injects you with something, it's intentional

@alvinwitherspoon5960 Ай бұрын

I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!! The quotes alone are worth it. “Plan for the future while taking care of the present”. That’s so true on so many levels!!!!!

@willsportz Ай бұрын

Dave the only person here making sense, and he was making so much sense

@rcbrown22 Ай бұрын

Agreed 💯

@AtlNola1 Ай бұрын

Exactly! He made so much sense even shady changed his view lol

@rcbrown22 Ай бұрын

@@AtlNola1 Shady didn't change Dave's view. They simply agreed.

@AtlNola1 Ай бұрын

@@rcbrown22 nah I’m saying initially shady was saying it was a great pick. Then after more dialogue he agreed with Dave that it didn’t make sense to sign cousins , or/and draft penix . My bad if I wasn’t clear lol these comments can be confusing

@nutznchocolates56 Ай бұрын

As usual.

@kizzykappa8346 Ай бұрын

Why is acho talking about mooney and rondale moore like they are some star wrs😂

@DCxViper Ай бұрын

because he is legit stupid.. he never explains why he never lasted 4 years in the league

@quandaone3366 Ай бұрын

Mooney is a star go watch the tape

@ODJNATION Ай бұрын

They have two better receiver options in Pitts n London didn’t need stars the needed good threats

@blakegoold6943 Ай бұрын

@@quandaone3366yea log off😂

@atlfan556 Ай бұрын

Because they added them this off-season and they're just as talented as players going to be picked in draft .

@Travis89-ob5tt Ай бұрын

Michael Lombardi just destroyed the falcons GM on Pat McAfee show and it was hilarious. Even brought up how they did the same thing last year at RB drafting Robinson when Tyler Algeirs just had a great rookie year. All these luxury picks like they haven't won 21 games in 3 years.

@bendover-bs1of Ай бұрын

He went full savage it was very funny. 😆

@AtlNola1 Ай бұрын

Yep I watched it live lol Terry going to be fired if Failcons don’t at least win a playoff game

@SpaceAlley Ай бұрын

Having Robinson and Allgier won us some games too even with our bad QB play

@jefeseason4990 Ай бұрын

Getting Dallas turner would have done nothing for winning this year he’s not that good of a prospect… none of the defensive players were.

@user-bd3zy6wo7l Ай бұрын

@@jefeseason4990 nobody in the draft was good?

@Chuzo2121 Ай бұрын

Thank you dave for being the adult in the room idk what everyone else up there talking about

@quandaone3366 Ай бұрын

Y’all just hate the falcons😂😂 we got one of the best quarterbacks in the draft we not complaining but y’all is

@musiconanotherlevel Ай бұрын

@@quandaone3366 Yes. We are. This was stupid. We got one of the best quarterbacks in the draft so you think. Look at history there is most likely only 2 qbs in this draft that will be good and im pretty sure they went in the first 2 picks.

@jrrichardson9792 Ай бұрын

@@quandaone3366💯 these couch “gms” always have something to say just laugh at them fam

@quandaone3366 Ай бұрын

@@musiconanotherlevel look at the tape and stats then come back and mpj led his team to the natty

@musiconanotherlevel Ай бұрын

@@quandaone3366 Im assuming you didn't watch the game tape of the natty. 27/51 2 tds and 1 pick. Yeah thats going to win a Superbowl. Tape doesn't look better than Kirk's in the NFL.

@BlackPresident-fw5ix Ай бұрын

Like if you here only for joy?

@robertreinecker9007 Ай бұрын

If we win, it doesn’t matter what we wasted. This is a huge security blanket.

@musiconanotherlevel Ай бұрын

WE WONT WIN WE HAVE NO PASS RUSH!!!!

@mrbilly9917 Ай бұрын

And if we don't win, fire the front office. These dude aren't smart enough

@gclay3176 Ай бұрын

Right , If the falcons are winning games this is all irrelevant

@IamBlackMagic03 Ай бұрын

That's a big IF though

@my-merethoughts5742 Ай бұрын

I'll admit that I was originally surprised by the pick, but now I understand it. When an unexpected pick becomes available...especially at QB, you scrap the original plan.

@jacobhayes8324 Ай бұрын

was it really that unexpected? They picked at 8. It is no surprise to me that a quality Qb was still on the board. It would different if they were out of the top 10.

@dysonspheretxi Ай бұрын

Who thought Penix was going top 7?

@my-merethoughts5742 Ай бұрын

@@dysonspheretxi Nobody, because ATL gave Kirk Cousins all that money. If ATL could see the future, an injured Kirk Cousins doesn't get that deal and clearly ATL would have selected Penix. Easy work!

@DadgumBatman Ай бұрын

I could understand this pick more if Penix was younger… like shady said he potentially wont even start till he’s like 26-27

@user-wh6sp6st8s Ай бұрын

26 is still very young for QBs now. By the time Penix is 26, the league will be flag.

@kevincannon9564 Ай бұрын

Ya Dave clowned everyone with that take spot on

@cowboyfan3834 Ай бұрын

The problem is they paid cousins 180 mil when they could of used that money in free agency and sign a cheap bridge qb until penix ready

@alcozar5905 Ай бұрын

No guarantee Penix would have be there.

@redsky4430 Ай бұрын

@343Films Ай бұрын

@@alcozar5905 I don't think I've seen a single mock draft that had Penix going before 8. Like not even one

@atlboy2002 Ай бұрын

@@343Filmsthat’s why they’re MOCK drafts though. It’s not an exact science. Nobody knows what’s going to happen. Also, consider that the rumor now is that Seattle, New Orleans, and Minnesota were trying to move into the top 10 to get Penix. Sometimes you gotta throw the mocks out the window and go with your gut and get your guy.

@contentm3893 Ай бұрын

@@redsky4430 How is it a great move? You think Penix is going to be good coming off the bench? The Falcons paid Kurt top money which will hurt them for 4 years. Then they have to pay Penix which isn't going to play for 3-4 years.

@Justin-oi7jt Ай бұрын

Where’s James Jones for this segment?? I guarantee you he would say this was stupid

@GreenlightBze Ай бұрын

No he wouldn't. The only people that are really disagreeing are fans and analyst. All the players kinda agree

@musiconanotherlevel Ай бұрын

@@GreenlightBze No anyone who knows anything about football or cap space knows this is dumb.

@jonathanmcentire7664 Ай бұрын

Saying the Falcons are winners in this draft tells me everything I need to know about if these dudes actually do research😂😂😂

@jumahbrady670 Ай бұрын

Facts every sports show are talking about the falcons and this topic. As a Jets fan living in Georgia it's a hot topic

@123ABC488 Ай бұрын

Facts

@MikeCalloway Ай бұрын

Because the crowd is always right right?

@quandaone3366 Ай бұрын

And how they are not winners? They got one of the best quarterbacks in the draft

@babydriver8844 Ай бұрын

You must have not seen Penix go undefeated last year

@jamesvancourt3877 Ай бұрын

Masterful move by the Falcons in my personal opinion and this is coming from a New Orleans native and Saints fan!! Joy is 1000 percent and perfectly summed up many of my thoughts on the situation! This is how you find and secure your QB situation in today's NFL!

@Jughead0912 Ай бұрын

What everyone is missing is the Falcons GM came from the Saints and was there when they missed on Pat Mahomes to be Brees predecessor. He wasn’t gonna do that again.

@thetrib1 Ай бұрын

That point is irrelevant. Kirk isn't Drew Brees. Don't sign kirk if that's what he was trying to avoid. Just go get pat mahomes

@nunyabizness6662 Ай бұрын

Umm predecessor? Do you mean successor?

@johnathan250able Ай бұрын

@@thetrib1they needed a qb for now and Kirk wanted long term money. They did what they needed to do

@thetrib1 Ай бұрын

@johnathan250able yes and the draft comes later. Been that way for a little bit now. They knew QBs would be available after the 3rd pick. Trade up and go get him if you need to. The falcons aren't a qb away from the superbowl.

@isthatdave55 Ай бұрын

@@thetrib1no there was qb needy teams prior to Atlanta's pick

@soholingo Ай бұрын

I can't believe I am agreeing with Acho. But that future Falcon graph brings the point home. Kirk is an expensive bridge QB but two years from now paying him 40 million a year will be below avg and having Penix will be seen as a smart move.

@sunnydays405 Ай бұрын

I was agreeing with Acho until I realized they could have just gotten a cheaper bridge QB. If you know Kirk is not the guy to get you to the superbowl and you're at the very least interested in drafting a QB this year or next year, why not get a much cheaper option like Jacoby Brissett like Dave said? This is an overpriced hedge bet imo.

@soholingo Ай бұрын

@@sunnydays405 Atlanta's offense was ready so Atlanta got the best QB available for about $45 million/year. Daniel Jones is getting $40mil/year so that's not a bad price. You are set at QB for now. Then draft happens and the 2nd best QB for the next two years falls to Atlanta at the 8th pick, Atlanta has to take Penix, and then sort out the details later. I think it is a brilliant move by Atlanta to get Penix. And I am thinking he is going to be playing this year as I don't see how Kirk is going to last the entire season. But time will be the final judge if it was a good pick or not...

@redsky4430 Ай бұрын

Exactly

@gclay3176 Ай бұрын

@@sunnydays405there’s levels to bridge QBs .. Kirk is a bridge QB who will win a lot of regular season games … again ppl are also skipping over the fact that Penix wasn’t suppose to be available

@deepwaterwalk Ай бұрын

All these idiots are concerned about the money the Falcons spent. It's not your money! Don't worry about the cost. If Kirk balls out and the Falcons make the playoffs, and even have some success in the playoffs the next two seasons... awesome. Money well spent. But the training and the sitting behind a seasoned veteran is not being considered strongly enough. It's valuable for Penix. Then he comes in and balls out and the Falcons don't skip a beat! It's logical.

@JDmix123 Ай бұрын

It’s always about the money, it’s all called market caps

@jetmoetion Ай бұрын

Wow! You nailed it out of the park! Very logical comments!

@twindragon5668 Ай бұрын

If they were drafting a QB for the future, why was it Penix and not McCarthy? Penix is 24 years old and is already fully developed to play now. McCarthy is more talented, is 21 years old and needs to sit and learn before being in a starting role. By the time Cousin’s contract ends Penix will be 28 years old and if Penix starts before Kirk’s contract ends they’ll still be paying Kirk alot of money. I can understand drafting a QB to sit under Kirk, even though Atlanta NEEDS help on defense, but why was it Penix out of the 3 still available?

@savexvimediateam1430 Ай бұрын

We prolly keep cousin 2 seasons

@savexvimediateam1430 Ай бұрын

And it’s insurance too . Ima fan, it’s confusing … but defense went late last night & we can find some one with our other picks we have a lot this year

@twindragon5668 Ай бұрын

@@savexvimediateam1430 even then Penix will be 26 years old and you’ll still need to pay Kirk a lot of money to cut him after 2 seasons or to sit him on the bench

@carbon.the.christ5626 Ай бұрын

How could they have known they could get Pennix though? Folks not acknowledging that. They could've waited and missed out on Kirk,and walked away without a QB they liked.

@gnarlieybrown4214 Ай бұрын

Bro I can't believe this is a real question😂😂 JJ should've never been ranked over penix 😂😂 penix passed for more yards than jj's ENTIRE CAREER in one season👀👀 tf do y'all see in jj is The question

@hennehn Ай бұрын

Oh and everyone acts like Penix isn’t injury prone. He has had 4 season ending injuries just in collegiate football! Acho is a gotdam nut!

@DerQuanDoucett Ай бұрын

Bro hasn’t gotten hurt since 2021. It’s safe to say he might have gotten over the injury bug

@johnathan250able Ай бұрын

I wouldn’t call that injury prone though. Bad luck maybe because of the kind of injuries. No small knickknacks or anything so i think he’ll be fine

@DerQuanDoucett Ай бұрын

@@johnathan250able he hasn’t gotten hurt since 2021 also so he definitely should be fine

@marcelstewart9156 Ай бұрын

@@DerQuanDoucettI means he was behind the best Oline in college that helps also

@DerQuanDoucett Ай бұрын

@@marcelstewart9156 they where good but they wasn’t the best

@SpokenThoughts_3900 Ай бұрын

Its crazy that Shady can control the panel😅 lol

@YourJamaicanChief Ай бұрын

He’s shady why not

@rolio9775 Ай бұрын

@@YourJamaicanChief wtf that supposed to mean?

@brianwright4696 Ай бұрын

Atlanta is dumb no matter who plays. Duh

@DerQuanDoucett Ай бұрын

@@YourJamaicanChiefyu said that like he Eric Dickerson 😂

@DerQuanDoucett Ай бұрын

@sleepycroc man don’t do that 😂😂😂😂

@Belsfc9999 Ай бұрын

Their whole argument is based on this supposed seamless transition from Kirk to penix, where as a more likely scenario is that this is very messy situation where you have 2 qb’s who should be starting creating unnecessary pressure on the other, like come on guys

@jaazerwebster4162 Ай бұрын

Not necessarily. If Kirk is good, that means they’re winning games and in contention. In that context, managing having another good quarterback is a good problem to have and will be able to deal with that fine. And if both are proving to be good, you can always trade one to a team looking for a good qb.

@AaronWood-zy3mj Ай бұрын

Media after the Giants just paid Daniel Jones $160 million: "The Giants need to draft a quarterback at 6" Media after the Falcons drafted a quarterback at 8 and paid $100 million for Kirk: "The Falcons shouldn't draft a quarterback at 8"

@thetrib1 Ай бұрын

The issue with the pick is not penix. And it isnt kirk cousins. They are not the problem. It's the falcons. Win now means win now. When spending a top 10 pick on a back up you're telling your team we're looking towards the future. You're also telling kirk you're on the clock and you probably wont finish the deal you just signed. You're also telling your 24 year old rookie qb with superstar talent that he cant make a mark in this league until he's like 27 or 28. This is so dumb

@tajayaeanderson4848 Ай бұрын

But think about it, Kirk been in the league 12 years and you’ve only seen one playoff win. He will make sure we win in regular season but we’re giving him 2 years to prove hisself if not then we move on to penix because our roster is ready!

@thetrib1 Ай бұрын

@@tajayaeanderson4848 "but think about it, kirk been in the league 12 years and you've only seen one playoff win." TELL THAT TO THE TEAM THAT PAID HIM 100 MIL GUARANTEED AFTER COMING OFF AN INJURY WHILE KNOWING THEY HAD THE 8TH PICK!!!!!!!!!!!!! he's been in the league. there's no more proving that needs to be done. this move shouldn't be to see how much better kirk can get. it's supposed to be the thing that pushes the team over the top cause every other need is addressed(that part hasn't happened yet).

@YoungGuwop Ай бұрын

People not even realizing that the fact falcons just signed a QB the other teams probably thought they wouldn’t pick a QB which is why he fell to them

@my-merethoughts5742 Ай бұрын

Great point. 🎯

@sunnydays405 Ай бұрын

People thought Falcons management wasn't insane enough to draft for a position they paid at least 100 M's for, and they were wrong. Not really a flex by the Falcons

@redsky4430 Ай бұрын

Boom!

@saulsquinones5142 Ай бұрын

Echo, you're not making any sense. they wasted a first round pick on a player that not going to play for three years, especially you paying a player first round money to sit for 3 years, that ridiculous seriously

@prapra15777 Ай бұрын

2 years

@prapra15777 Ай бұрын

It's been done before twice with Rodgers and love

@user-qp6wm4bg1i Ай бұрын

Acho is clueless. The issue isn't the Penix pick, per se, it's the Penix pick coupled with the Cousins signing. The move makes ZERO sense. If they wanted to go this route, they should have signed Jacoby Brissettt (or fill in the blank) for one year - not Cousins for four.

@carbon.the.christ5626 Ай бұрын

They didn't know Pennix would be on the board. You could've not signed Kirk,waited til the draft and ended up with nothing.

@ThirdThinker Ай бұрын

@carbon.the.christ5626 If you wanted Penix, then you trade up to get him. Sitting around and pray that a team doesn't get your player is how you lose in the draft. Chiefs did it with Mahomes, Bears did it with Tribusky. We understand Tribusky didn't work out, but Mahomes did.

@masonr5677 Ай бұрын

No you are clueless lol 😆 Falcons knew cousins was never long term he’s a bridge quarterback he always was

@ThirdThinker Ай бұрын

@@masonr5677You don't pay bridge quarterbacks 180M. That's for franchising level players. They could have traded gotten Gardner Minshew and have sit Penix for a year. Of course Falcons choose the dumbest and most expensive way to do business.

@user-qp6wm4bg1i Ай бұрын

@@masonr5677 "never long term" - they literally just signed him to a long-term (4 years) deal, genius. That's my point. Do the world a favor and don't breed.

@jctslice Ай бұрын

What if neither works out ? We've seen that too. Look at the Redskins in 2012. Drafted RG3 and Kirk Cousins in 2012. Neither got a 2nd contract, both guys ended up leaving, and you got no playoff wins out of either. That's the scenario people haven't brought up that I know of

@my-merethoughts5742 Ай бұрын

How bout Joe Montana and Steve Young? That worked out well.

@jctslice Ай бұрын

@@my-merethoughts5742 the problem is the Falcons don't have the type of roster to support both those guys & what you're banking on with that example is that one of these guys becomes a Top3 QB ever and the other becomes a Top15ish or so qb ever. That's highly unlikely

@my-merethoughts5742 Ай бұрын

@@jctslice Actually...I'm expecting a lot less, which makes this situation more feasible.

@blanejohnson9045 Ай бұрын

“Didn’t expect penix to be there” ??? At 8?? Hahahaha

@thetrib1 Ай бұрын

Yeah it doesn't make much sense. And also they would've been the next team after the top 3 that were looking for a QB. They would have the best chance after the top 3 to get a QB. Whether that's trading up from 8(the closest distance out of every other team) or waiting till 8.

@AJ-zt6mf Ай бұрын

its been reported that 3 teams were trying to trade into the top 10 to get him...

@thetrib1 Ай бұрын

@@AJ-zt6mf and guess what? The falcons were already in that top ten. The team with the best assets to trade up for someone like Penix was the falcons. There is no good justification for what they did

@AJ-zt6mf Ай бұрын

@@thetrib1 so let me get this straight... there is no justification for trying to win now and later? after going through mariota, heinicke and ridder? the biggest gripe with this team was that they weren't taking the qb position seriously, and when they do, and show they have a plan now its a problem??? lmfao yall got it

@blanejohnson9045 Ай бұрын

@@AJ-zt6mf there’s too many holes in the roster. They over corrected and now they lost out on a quality edge rusher. Do you understand the concept of over correction? Or nah

@marcusmcgraw3519 Ай бұрын

I was so let down by Joy’s take. I was hoping she would set them straight with common sense but she threw a curveball

@alexamerling79 Ай бұрын

I find it baffling that they didn't even tell Kirk about it lol But as a Bears fan, I'm not complaining that they passed on Odunze since we ended up with him :)

@jpm.06 Ай бұрын

This was actually a really great video which explained both sides very well, and it's easy to understand. Good job guys! I actually quite like the pick but that's just me.

@jeremiahmorris60 Ай бұрын

If i was in charge Kirk Cousins money would've gone to signing Tee Higgins assuming a trade could get done with the Bengals

@DerQuanDoucett Ай бұрын

Imagine if the pulled that move off and still drafted penix 💀.

@onthemarc81 Ай бұрын

They weren't about to let tee Higgins go

@DerQuanDoucett Ай бұрын

@@onthemarc81 for the right price yu never know

@UncannyMarvelous Ай бұрын

I like the pick however at the same time i want to see Penix Jr start and play.

@coreychillis9754 Ай бұрын

They wanna mold him more cuz they know Kurt gonna get hurt again

@tomvan6008 Ай бұрын

@@coreychillis9754 outside of the one injury Cousins has been healthy for years.

@Jaybrown223 Ай бұрын

@@tomvan6008so that means he was just incompetent in the playoffs...

@nicstone3141 Ай бұрын

@@Jaybrown223 As he has been since HS Im from Michigan seen it with my own eyes

@Jaybrown223 Ай бұрын

@@nicstone3141 i believe you bro...i actually liked kirk when he was in Washington.

@Gamma_Labs Ай бұрын

People who bring up what kirk has done are missing the point. If kirk isnt good or youre worried about his injury then why pay him knowing you wanted penix? You made dinner reservations to two different restaurants at 8pm and already paid for both.

@GreenlightBze Ай бұрын

He's 36.. coming off ACL.. only won 1 playoff game .

@OurAncestors94 Ай бұрын

I dont understand why ppl don't understand what the falcons are doing....the falcons did not sign kirk cousins with the belief he's their future they got home because ticket sales,they have Bijan Robinson and Kyle Pitts unhappy, they will lose games but still be exciting to watch while also grooming a qb for a future...even if kirk balls out the next year or two you can easily trade him to a desperate team or a team looking for a bridge quarterback...

@kinggkongg9694 Ай бұрын

Having a real journalist like Dave balances the show out, send JJ back to the bench we don’t need all players but joys melons are always a pleasant sight

@Skyfall22 Ай бұрын

James is the best one. Get rid of Ocho and Shady.

@IamBlackMagic03 Ай бұрын

Nah james has good balanced takes. So to me shady can go. He has some terrible takes. Can't get rid of joy because I'm sure they like having a female talk sports and she's easy on the eyes. Can't get rid of acho because he's kinda the host. So shady can go and I would be fine but keep james

@aSTROnomical_8 Ай бұрын

I hate that as an eagles fan I like Dave as much as I do but I enjoy Dave commentary

@davidmacwilliamson5570 Ай бұрын

Hence forth like the Candy "Now and Later" Arr Arr. LOL!!!!

@henrylowery3297 Ай бұрын

Those who knew anything about this draft didn't expect Penix to go before 8.

@wizlb Ай бұрын

Sean Payton, was considered a good mood getting rid of Russell Wilson because of his big contract, if kurt doesn’t live up to expectations, why can’t Atlanta do the same thing and already have a quarterback waiting

@52delvon Ай бұрын

No trade clause

@nunyabizness6662 Ай бұрын

The Broncos are still paying Russell Wilson. His contract is terrible for the Broncos.

@Newyork305_ Ай бұрын

Sean Peyton destroyed broncos salary cap like he did the saints. He terrible decision making puts the teams in bad place. Acho is not a good analyst

@user-hm6pe3is4e Ай бұрын

@@52delvonthey can just cut him if he's not getting it done.

@52delvon Ай бұрын

@@user-hm6pe3is4e they can but at the cost of their salary cap it just won’t look good if he’s cut and they still have to eat 100mil

@Wicked_RotF30 Ай бұрын

Love joy rocking that hairstyle would look great black as well.

@my-merethoughts5742 Ай бұрын

I thought the same thing.

@georgeroberts506 Ай бұрын

They sign 180 million dollar QB coming off injury when they could’ve gotten one of the best pass rushers in the draft

@GarageDoorSports Ай бұрын

Acho’s arguing that Raheem Morris being a defensive coach is sufficient enough to cover for the lack of defensive talent is weird. Certainly could’ve used an edge rusher or even added to the OLine depth OR snatched Odunze to pair with London lol

@maximuskeene8572 Ай бұрын

the move was dumb given that the falcons signed $180 million away to kirk (with a lot of it guaranteed). either kirk looks bad off an acl tear and being "old" which leads the falcons to move forward with penix, costing atl this massive contract or kirk looks like kirk and plays well in a weak division, making the playoffs and keeping a not-so-young rookie on the bench. you lose something regardless of how the season goes

@GreenlightBze Ай бұрын

They can easily front load his guarantees and he could be traded in 2 years I think both of them will be good

@user-bd3zy6wo7l Ай бұрын

Acho is a fool. Drafting pennix when they could have drafted a position guy doesn't help the team immediately...he's not making sense. I'm not criticizing the pick but he's using circular logic

@GreenlightBze Ай бұрын

You will be the same guy that wont admit you were wrong when it all works out.

@jonathancarrillo2705 Ай бұрын

This crew got me agreeing with Dave of all people

@BamXBam97 Ай бұрын

Literally the only teams that actually needed a qb before atl was. Chicago, Washington, New England, & New York (maybe) and we knew the first 3 weren’t going penix and New York has so much invested in jones they probably wouldn’t go that route either and the chargers have Herbert and titans have Levis so you could assume that penix would absolutely be there at 8. It wasn’t a shock he was available it was a shock he was taken there

@TexanEagleFan Ай бұрын

But they have defensive needs more than QB though 😂😂😂

@brandonwalker9383 Ай бұрын

Can you point to a team last season that lost because they didn’t have one pass rusher?

@shonuf5152 Ай бұрын

Got several picks to address that.

@tregainsfitness4928 Ай бұрын

@@brandonwalker9383 A team always needs a solid pass rusher can you name one on the Falcons 😂 dont say Grady Jarrett he's a D tackle

@jumahbrady670 Ай бұрын

@@shonuf5152facts they drafted defense with every pick so far

@AJ-zt6mf Ай бұрын

thats true, but this is a very talented qb draft class. they have no clue if they'll lose a first next year, don't know about '26. you have a chance to take one of the better quarterbacks from this talented draft class who some would say would be a number 1 qb in other classes. with kirk you are not drafting in the top 10 again to get one of the best quarterbacks. vikings had the problem last year with trying to trade up to get anthony richardson. you do not know when's the next time you could get the opportunity to be in this type of situation again so im not mad for them taking the qb.

@SpokenThoughts_3900 Ай бұрын

Shady thinks that basic common sense means that you can give a good take 😂😮😅. Shady gets a pass, and im trying to see why???

@allencarnes2477 Ай бұрын

Shady is that guy in the barber shop who talks a lot but is never actually saying anything.

@user-qp6wm4bg1i Ай бұрын

I think he took one too many blows to the helmet.

@PlayoffP69 Ай бұрын

Cause he has 2 super bowls. Which he didn’t even sniff the field💀

@Saberwolves84 Ай бұрын

Apparently all that matters is QB just draft QB’s who needs lineman, wrs, or defensive players?

@Outermindmedia Ай бұрын

Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love each sat for three years. Mahomes sat for one year. Cousins can start for three years while Penix learns. They can trade Cousins heading into year four and start Penix, depending on how far they go into Super Bowl contention. If Penix shows promise, the Falcons can pick up Penix's fifth-year option and work on his massive second contract.

@lonnellgrigsby1367 Ай бұрын

I love the move it always works out for the Green Bay packers this way. Kirk Cousins might not be healthy anyway

@randomupdates4013 Ай бұрын

Bring back Dave PERMANENTLY . Less generalities, can even talk positional scheme. Does stats homework and humble. Lately seems more and more Joy phoning it in. Like she got coached to be sassy, compared to first weeks she actually provided more context. More herself not a character before 🎉

@jonathancruz7848 Ай бұрын

Shady hates him . I like Dave too , and Dave makes it known that he knows shady don’t like him . Gotta be awkward lol

@rcbrown22 Ай бұрын

Agreed 💯

@randomupdates4013 Ай бұрын

@@jonathancruz7848weird I like both shady and Dave, partly cause their cowboys vs eagles talk is entertaining…. but actually substantive without Dave just pushing cowboys on everyone. He’s pretty objective for a journalist covering them a decade in Dallas

@jaybreezy1274 Ай бұрын

Is there any valid reason for why shady doesn’t like Dave? I don’t understand how anyone can dislike Dave

@alana.9668 Ай бұрын

David sucks. Period.

@jermainekillings7070 Ай бұрын

That GM got some big nuts to make that pick. Did y’all see the owner talking to him last night? 😂😂😂 I was scared for him

@jumahbrady670 Ай бұрын

Exacty. Arthur blank wanted cousins but the GM and coach wanted Penix

@tylerbradford427 Ай бұрын

Shady compares Kirk to Dak, and if Dallas re upped dak for 180 and drafted a qb top 10 he’d be rolling on the floor

@sansarim2498 Ай бұрын

People keep talking about the first round but forgot there 7round,in a draft you can get your QB off the future now and make up for it in the 2nd and 3rd round and so on,most gem or in those round anyway I like the move

@user-ci9qi5do5p Ай бұрын

Paying someone guaranteed money for 2 years and not giving any help for Cousins this season...ok Atlanta...will try to win a Superbowl in 2 years 😊

@GreenlightBze Ай бұрын

They have help . Plus the draft isn't over at the 1st round

@Belsfc9999 Ай бұрын

Best case scenario with this pick is they wasted 100 million dollars, that’s why it’s horrendous

@greg02p Ай бұрын

We need Dave up here more often! Seems to be the only real journalist.

@McRaeJim Ай бұрын

Arthur Blank woke up this morning and said "my GM did what with my money"

@ChuloVeniVidiVici Ай бұрын

*Plot Twist* This has Arthur Blank hands all over it, Arthur Blank has the final say on most acquisitions.

@alcozar5905 Ай бұрын

Who in the flying F expects Cousins to finish 2 years. It’s not 200 million it’s 90 million guaranteed. I love the pick.

@jumahbrady670 Ай бұрын

Facts 💯

@kalvinbaber5484 Ай бұрын

Fantastic move by Falcons, as a Lions fan, i don't want the NfC getting better 😂

@Keith_No_Sweat Ай бұрын

We paid 180 MIL to win now........ If he don't work towards that in 2 yrs he traded. And yall go look at the tape on Trice I don't think we missed on Turner

@randomupdates4013 Ай бұрын

FS1 in general? Joy talks in generalities, can’t talk scheme or break down plays. Skip Bayless? Bruh you don’t have to make yourself only white dude on Undisputed. Hire Max Kellerman 😆

@sonseed7541 Ай бұрын

U BEGGED FOR DAVE AND NOW HES HERE YOO

@FaceFamous Ай бұрын

SAS can't talk scheme either and he "talks" football

@randomupdates4013 Ай бұрын

@@FaceFamousthat’s espn standards lol

@carbon.the.christ5626 Ай бұрын

You think viewers want to hear about schemes😅?

@randomupdates4013 Ай бұрын

@@carbon.the.christ5626 yeah I want to hear some substance with the banter. Makes the debate shows more fun. Actually prime undisputed with Shannon and Skip was good because it grew in that way. Even Skip had to prep more from the challenge, to hang lol

@nutznchocolates56 Ай бұрын

Excellent move especially for Penix. He gets a chance to apprentice under a veteran leader. Love it.

@rooseveltdarbey9493 Ай бұрын

But the issue is Penix is already 24 years old, and I think he has the talent to start immediately.

@keonjohnson4319 Ай бұрын

How,he already been in college for two teams for six years,no way he wants to sit for 2yr or 3

@percyvaughan Ай бұрын

Expensive insurance. Neither love or hate the move. But I understand. It really would have been interesting if Dallas drafted Penix.

@heberhernandez2879 Ай бұрын

I think this conversation is the reason why NFL is great. Because In other sports it’s draft than free agency

@jamiljohnson9766 Ай бұрын

That defense is going to give up 38 points per game go Atlanta 😂

@williecarswelljr7518 Ай бұрын

This doesn't help Kirk Cousins he needs help now and I'm not a Falcons fan

@carlevans1645 Ай бұрын

Bro got a rock arm he’s a beast real talk in he got time to learn ❤

@chrissatake6158 Ай бұрын

The only justification I see in this pick is if they see greatness in Penix. If they do and it pans out nobody will complain.

@bentipp9539 Ай бұрын

Dave said exactly what I was going to say so that’s that

@thomasedmunds2512 Ай бұрын

Dave is a great football mind. Thinking the same thing and not focusing on talking points. He needs his own show!

@yurp7643 Ай бұрын

No he isn’t ! He’s just conservative like the cowboys . He’s a dak homer too ! That’s why he feel so connected to cousins .. cousins ain’t that guy . 1 playoff win , less than .500 record in career against teams over .500 .

@jrrichardson9792 Ай бұрын

😂😂😂 foh it’s just an opinion of his

@gremlinrag8000 Ай бұрын

Dave's got a good point. Unless Falcons think there's a 20% to win the super bowl, which let's be honest they'll be lucky to win a playoff game let alone get there

@JuggernautX10 Ай бұрын

Dave nailed this one! Everything he said was facts. Mooney is a good receiver but they still could have gotten Odunze opposite London or traded back and still got top defense like Dave suggested

@TexanEagleFan Ай бұрын

Brandon Weeden started at 29 and was trash also it shortens his career 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

@my-merethoughts5742 Ай бұрын

How old was Aaron Rodgers when he started?

@thetarheel2010j Ай бұрын

We need more of Dave… Joy it’s a $35 million cap hit to move off of Kirk after 1 year…

@MrFreakazoid23 Ай бұрын

To Achos blackjack analogy, the Falcons had 17 and still hit when the dealer was showing a 3. You either have the 17 with Kirk after paying him 100 mill guaranteed and still choose to hit when the dealer is showing 3 (Penix).

@ro229time3 Ай бұрын

My falcons had 17-19 turnovers last years with a bad O-line. Kirk just needs to do his job.

@WordsWithWoody Ай бұрын

What if you lose now and later? 🤔

@nukumbafrazier2722 Ай бұрын

This was brilliant by the falcons. This keeps offensive players happy. Thw wins will keep fans happy. And tge future looks bright. Great job. Gamble big win big.

@tedfio1tedfio1 Ай бұрын

The Falcons and these 3 are nuts!

@gfweis Ай бұрын

"The roster essentially was set..." Huh? The Falcons pass rush was pathetic last year. Taking Penix has a sky-high opportunity cost. The Falcons gave up getting a 1st-round-quality pass rusher.

@B18MONSTRO Ай бұрын

Dave on point this take!

@charlest.folsomjr.3934 Ай бұрын

Acho got it right this time !!!!!!!!!!!!

@darrylmostella8238 Ай бұрын

Drafting penix was not the bad move but it just highlights how bad signing Kirk was lol

@JamesSmiley Ай бұрын

14:30. Ocho shows a few mins earlier a graph showing QBs play to older ages (but saying that to back up Penix), then says Cousins is not the future bc of “age”. …end though Cousins’ age perfectly fit to it the first graphic about “older QBs”. Ocho tries but me usually makes no logical sense.