agreed. just goes to show the range of possibilities when kitbashing you can end up with something like this, on the other end you can end up with a Curry.

Would of been great to see these ships kick-ass the Borg, at Wolf 359 as well!!

@@venomgeekmedia9886 or, Yeager🙄🙄

@@venomgeekmedia9886 In my personal opinion Centaur is 210m and before someone say anything. It saucer is noticeably different, so it is not direct Excelsior kitbash. Furthermore there is also STO ship know as Georgiou class what is quite similar in look from range. It is post-TMP Era version of Walker and it fit more in size category of 380m (as side note unknow yet by name shit of similar design show up in Lower Decks, so Georgiou may be potentially cannon). Star Trek lack smaller ships anyway.

@@venomgeekmedia9886 don't forget the fan series hero ship class that came from this ; the Aries class of Star Trek Axanar. I love that design . You should do a show on that.

I agree with you. The Yeager class looks like what it is, a kit bash. The Centaur makes sense and fits into the Star Trek universe. A shared design philosophy and shared components for ease of manufacture.

Dont remind me of the yeager class

Venom should totally make a video on the Yeager-class. Im with Spacedock, I love that ship.

@@sagesheahan6732 I’m with you it totally looks like a warships

It's actually my ship but they did spell it wrong ;)

@@IIISentorIII oh ok

Where’s the navigational deflector???

It deflects cosmic rays and micrometeors with _cool factor._

"Charlie don't Surf!"

Charlie likes to swing for the fences.

It makes sense resource wise it's cheaper and it can be used for multiple roles and maintain alot easier than its generations gem

It is a standard naval problem. Do you build battleships, cruisers, or destroyers? You need a lot of different hulls to address all of the missions that need to be addressed. So if you can have X battleships, 2X cruisers, or 3X destroyers, even if the firepower is 6X for battleships, 3X for cruisers, and X for destroyers, you frequently have to compromise and build cruisers and destroyers when you want battleships.

I find it interesting why non of the 21st, or 22nd, century ships were around when Constitution Enterprise was in service....but, we see these very old ships battling-out the Dominion. Even if the upgrades were made, sure in the universe the structural frame work must of been getting weaker....no matter how much weilding, and extra structural supports were added on. The refitted Constitution Enterprise wasn't able to get back into service, after the battle with Khan that was it. I know it is way easier to build the older starships, but the materials that retrofitted these ships could of been made for the newer, stronger ships. 40 years for a starship was good enough, but pushing almost 100....in a battle.....I just don't think that is cool, no wonder why so many Mirandas were destroyed....even Excelsiors took quite the blow.

@@Ithinkiwill66 tech plateaus and better refit programs.

That's because Charlie needed to get back to his Angels....for the Sacrifice.

absolutely right and in fairness DS9 does a better job of illustrating this tradition as Sisko spends the first half a Commander. and both Worf and Dax takes command of the defiant whilst being a Commander/ Lieutenant Commander.

But, maybe the commander got killed, and Starfleet just randomly picked Charlie....even if the Lt. Cmmd. could of been the director of the ship.....what are the odds anyhow, a tough captain that never wanted to back down, and with a ship capable of moving faster in a battle....the odds are all layed-out in the crew's favor! The chances of the crew to get back home in one peace, perhaps just doubled!

I would guess Starfleet probably has more 06 Captains as a % of the overall Starfleet than the USN because they don’t have to worry about a budget. 06s make significantly more than an O4.

Venom, do the Ares from Axanar! THAT will ruffle some feathers haha

@@richjordan6461 CBS would have a cow... >_< I like it! ^~^

I almost forgot....I think the Constellation class ships had the forward shuttle bays too, eh?

@@Ithinkiwill66 Ah, I forgot about the Constellation. I believe the Akira and Steamrunner had one too.

The Saber and Akira class both have forward facing shuttle bays. Possibly the Steamrunner though I'm not sure. In the case of the Akira, it also has rear shuttle bays, so is in theory a through carrier. Oh, and the D'deridex has forward facing shuttle bays

glad you agree.

brits together strong

so the bridge is one of those parts which is inconsistent and yes there are examples of it having a Miranda bridge and the windows being scaled smaller. but personally the Nacelles are the primary measure for me.

@@venomgeekmedia9886 except in this case are not straight up Excelsior nacelles bolted on the ship. The nacelles are composed of modified bottom pieces of the Excelsior nacelles from the kit that the parts are taken. You actually required to Excelsior model kits to construct one of these ships. And as far as the windows scaling is concerned we're not talking about different reconstructions of the model we're talking about the actual model as it was built. Centaur was built with the intention that it be roughly the same size as a Miranda Class Starship. Much in the same way that the Ryan Church 2009 Enterprise was built with the intention that it be roughly the same size as the TMP Probert Enterprise, not the 800-meter long monstrosity the JJ Abrams wanted in the end. In a lot of ways this makes sense if you consider that in the time between the end of the 23rd century and 2350 the volume of space that Starfleet had to patrol and control more than quadrupled and so other Starships would be needed that were easy to build and were evolutionary, not revolutionary. The centaur design is a natural evolution of the standard Miranda design providing similar size, Firepower, and the enhanced Warp Geometry of the next generation of ships. As a destroyer Design centaur fits very neatly between Miranda and saber.

yeah nowadays i tend to augment it with my own stuff. but it never matches the likes of Euderion and Jetfreak.

Better than Yeager class....or, should I say "Yuck" class?

@@Ithinkiwill66 you are right sr cadet jejej

Lore reloaded is racist

Lore reloaded is dumb

We saw the saber a few times

@@MrGunlover12 really? What episodes? My memory might be shoddy

Saber was used, check out Sacrifice of Angels, you see a few there. I read somewhere the Norway model was lost/destroyed or something like that which is why it wasn't used in DS9. Maybe someone can confirm....

@@pt29999 I heard the same. The model got lost. The reason why it was never seen in a battle again. Only in Fan Fics.

Im actually kitbashing an Ambassador equivalent to the Miranda/Centaur/Nebula

@@nathanielmeade5731 and I like the idea of that being the Wambundu-class, myself. Probably based on this design: www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/heavyfrigate_pellucidar.jpg

I think she was intended to be. But because of how painful excelsiors development was. They didn't start work on the centaur till the 2290s by which time the need disappeared

Oddly enough I have a video precisely on that matter next week.

@@venomgeekmedia9886 awesome, looking forward to it. Thanks for the heads up.

@@venomgeekmedia9886 sorry for the double comment, but I just had a thought. I don't know if Drachinafel or Sacred Cow Shipyards would have any interest but that would make for an awesome collaboration with their historic/modern naval knowledge.

@@speedcreep2605 i can tell you. one of them does ;)

@@speedcreep2605 you should watch one of his older videos kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p5ehea-nrsixm2g.html

reminds me of the ww2 Jagdpanzers

ship like the centuar and miranda are kinda like the STUGs or Tank destroyers for me. a simplified cheaper model that was arguably just as effective as the parent design in most scenarios.

yes if you were to use that for scale. but given that the majority of parts are from the excelsior. scaling it according to that makes more sense to me.

either in the torpedo pod or the dorsal superstructure.

definitely worth watching

is that a Yu-Gi-Oh reference? been a while since i've played any card or tabletop. :(

@@venomgeekmedia9886 nah not a reference. sometimes i make custorm cards, like and image of a centaur class flipped upside down. it still looks good when flipped.

yeah so the centaur goes into service almost 10 years later because of the problems of transwarp drive. when thats abandoned and the excelsior is fitted with a conventional engine. they then have to try and incorporate it into the centaur, but it wasn't designed to take that engine, so they have to modify it to fit. and that in turn compromises the engines reliability. when it comes to redrawing the warp scale, i would say it was necessitated by excelsior achieving high speeds with the conventional engine. and they probably made the switch officially at the start of the 24th century.

Your “jag-you-are” pronunciation of jaguar is better then ours i have to admit. Jag Gr.3 fantastic fighter bomber btw!

well i'm sorry for using the correct pronunciation