"Adjust your angle of attack by 17 degrees to port and increase vigorousness by 23%. This is now acceptable".
@terrisinclair44614 ай бұрын
Also a uniform change completely the breast cups were reduced they were outrage really an out of that silver costume that she couldn't sit down in into others that we're more comfortable
@JessieGender12 жыл бұрын
Steve talking about sex on Star Trek? You coming in on my turf? *grabs my Ferengi sex energy whip* Ok, we're throwing down. Also... let me put forth... Raffi of Nine.
@alexmuller67522 жыл бұрын
until i read raffi of nine i was a bit proud of my "raven"
@IAmTheAce52 жыл бұрын
>D>D>D>D>D>D>D>D>D>D>D>D>D>D>D>D>D>D>D
@arklestudios2 жыл бұрын
If you feel left out, there's another Trek rarepair that might be worth a video of your own; T'Pol/Cutler. Tell me I'm wrong. Look at how they interact in "Two Days, Two Nights" and tell me I'm wrong, I dare you. ;)
@jondorsey20432 жыл бұрын
I KNOW! I was like, ya feeling inspired Steve? Hmm? 😂 Fortunately, we have 2 content creators who can cover the same sexy subject, and each's own unique ability and competency rises to the fore in each case. To your fans benefit. ❤
@Seal06262 жыл бұрын
I still say "Raven" for the shipname as a) callback to Seven's backstory and b) ravens are known to befriend wolves, and Fenris(as in Fenris Rangers) is a wolf.
@johndittmer84882 жыл бұрын
That romance between Seven and Chakotay just seemed very forced. There was no build up like there was between Chakotay and Janeway.
@TraceSteffen Жыл бұрын
If they hadn’t hinted at a romantic relationship be Janeway and Chakotay, I would been very comfortable with them just being platonic close friends… but I feel like they crossed over that into setting up the relationship… and then just were like nah… hard left turn right to Seven.
@dj_daem0n Жыл бұрын
It was decided out of nowhere, once Chakotay and Janeway wouldn't be a thing, that he was the closest the Voyager had to a Kirk. Let us not forget the "TIMELESS" alternate timeline where the entire crew dies using slipstream tech with the exception of Chakotay and Kim. Then years later the two of them risk everything to reset the timeline and are joined by Tessa Omond, his ridiculously attractive twentysomething paramore who is willing to possibly die, get captured, or even be erased from the timeline if they are successful just to make Chakotay happy. They revive the Doctor who doesn't understand who she is, and Kim has to point blank tell him that Chakotay is having sex with her for the doctor to get it. 100% Kirk energy.
@timhenley3602 Жыл бұрын
For some reason I wanted Seven and the Doctor (or maybe Harry) to get together...🤷🏾♂️
@trickvro2 жыл бұрын
The idea of Naomi playing matchmaker is just so adorable.
@greyzonefilm2 жыл бұрын
I've watched Voyager in it's entirety at least three times and I still had to make a quick trip to Memory Alpha because I was SURE Samantha had been killed off and you were mistaken. THAT'S how hard the writers ignored her character.
@flyq74702 жыл бұрын
I thought so too, I was like why would they set up nelix and seven as surrogate parents for Naomi if her moms still around, turns out that's exactly what they did. Feels kinda like they wasted two writing opportunities. Like Naomi doesn't have to come to terms with her moms death cuz she's fine she's just off screen, but they also just forget Samantha exists...for some reason. Instead of touching on what it's like being a single parent in deep space, millions of light-years from the spouse you thought you would be raising this child with. I'm sad now cuz that would have been a good story.
@antney77452 жыл бұрын
At least they didn't bring her back a couple of episodes from the finale just for the sake of killing her off "for realsies".
@thecommenter67732 жыл бұрын
To be fair, her last appearance (not including a time travel bit in the past), was in the episode where she may die and the main conflict was how to break the news the Naomi. I think it was also the episode where Flotter appeared (and temporarily died by evaporation). So really, I think the only reason she didn't outright die might have been because having 'the main kid character lose her mom' was too dark an idea for the execs.
@bjorn000002 жыл бұрын
Early in Seven's run, she did clearly state that she was not beholden to sexual mores, monogamy, etc. *at all*. It was a throwaway line that was actually quite effective, and between that and her perspectives on doing things for pleasure and enjoyment, it actually set up her sexuality in a way that was surprisingly effective for the show. But the subtext that's *always* lurking with Seven, even with her appearances in Picard to date, is that being assimilated is a deeply personal assault akin to long-term sexual assault. We never learn whether some body horror elements of assimilation include that as well (and we never should), but the conversation with Picard about regaining their humanity is so strongly tied to that it is impossible to ignore. Combined with her being assimilated at a young age, and for one I'm glad that they largely avoided putting Seven into a couple-I don't think the writers in the early 2000s would have been able to tell that story with respect and gravitas, to be honest.
@MissingSirius2 жыл бұрын
I really wish they'd done more with Seven and Tuvok in terms of their friendship. You knew it existed, but they didn't have enough screen time together in my opinion. They were always great.
@flyabusa2 жыл бұрын
When you mentioned Pathfinder, I was hoping you'd pitch a relationship between Barclay and Seven. Now THEY would be quite an interesting couple.
@arklestudios2 жыл бұрын
SF Debris agrees with that.
@MultiMackD2 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie my friend, my mind immediately went to his holodeck program from his debut TNG episode Just replacing Troi with seven
@wortrihanha57312 жыл бұрын
This is certainly a ship worthy of exploring, giving Barclay's need for a powerful, confident maternal figure to keep him stable and sane. "A nice girl" wouldn't cut it. What he needs is a power domme, and well, Seven is that character.
@Yvonmukluk2 жыл бұрын
I think SFDebris made that exact point, IIRC.
@TheSorrel2 жыл бұрын
Come on! Barklay is way out of Sevens league.
@renatocorvaro69242 жыл бұрын
It could have been so easy to pull a "born sexy yesterday" trope with Seven of Nine but they didn't and I am so proud of Voyager for that and basically nothing else. Except at least being more fun than DS9.
@71CMM2 жыл бұрын
My god, this is hilarious. Laughing out loud at the description of Seven crashing the Doctor......
@carloshenriquezimmer75432 жыл бұрын
He got me with the "making a cake"
@demian56312 жыл бұрын
That fake ad had my dying. Well played, Mr Shives! Well Played!
@mikegould65902 жыл бұрын
The "fuck him to a blue screen" line cracked me up. Nice.
@dmancluster26312 жыл бұрын
Never thought of Seven getting with Ensign Wildman, but honestly once that idea was presented to me it clicked as something that could work
@blankb.22772 жыл бұрын
Awww Samantha and Seven is a cute ship. They put that character to the side because they already had a ton of prominent adult characters, but I remember thinking she was nice. That’s a random twist I would have been okay with in late season 7 😅❤️
@berthulf2 жыл бұрын
There is no Chakoven, there is only Sevantha.
@DLZ20002 жыл бұрын
Doing literally anything with Samantha Wildman would have been good. I remember when the character first appeared that I thought it was good that characters started to get pregnant on the ship, given how long they expected to be gone. I think one of the notes Ronald D. Moore had for the show, that he talked about in his post-mortem essay was that there should have even been an order from the captain to start working on a replacement crew, since they at least expected to be a generation ship. Of course, given the nature of that order, it would be a pretty separate issue from what kinds of romantic relationships would be on the ship, especially since the idea of just one or two parents kind of goes by the wayside. It's a village raising all the kids. Therefore, a Seven/Samantha Wildman ship would be a fine suggestion.
@lorensims48462 жыл бұрын
You do realize that 'Seven of Nine' was named after the character "Rhoda" portrayed by Julie Newmar in the 1964 sitcom "My Living Doll" in which her role was that of a top secret Air Force project, a humanoid android robot, designated "AF-709". I was only seven years old. It was the very first time I saw Julie Newmar and I was completely smitten. The fact that she spent the entire first episode wearing nothing more than a towel clearly marked "AF-709" didn't hurt either. It was also the very first time I heard the term 'android' or 'computer' (she also originated the phrase "That does not compute"). I asked my dad what a computer was. He told me it was like a huge adding machine, but a whole lot more complicated. Almost a 'thinking machine.' But real computers are as big as a room. If she has one inside of her it must be almost impossibly small. I've been fascinated with computers ever since and just had to rush out and buy a Raspberry Pi as soon as it was released. The rest of the series was pretty silly, following the common sitcom formula of the day where our hero has a 'roommate' who's not a genie or a witch or a Martian but an actual robot! A few years later we finally got a Big antenna and could watch 'BatMan' like all the other kids, and there was my Julie Newmar again as CatWoman! Oh, fun fact: When the producers told her what they had in mind for her costume, she told them she had the purrfect material--she brought them the material to make the catsuit! Oh, Eartha Kitt was perrfectly excellent in the role as well, but my heart will always belong to Julie.
@lazerlord93242 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this post. Thanks!
@buckocean76162 жыл бұрын
Over a half century of being a SF and Star Trek fan, and I had never come across that info before. Much appreciated. ☮
@gozerthegozarian95002 жыл бұрын
OMG I never knew that! Thank you for posting this!
@chemmerling2 жыл бұрын
My favorite episode for seven, when I was a teen, was when she was in a uniform traveling through time. Showed she could be dressed normally. That had more appeal to me. Never thought to ship her with anyone.
@BCBaron2 жыл бұрын
I was kinda hoping the writers would've eventually worked it into her character arc that, after years of service aboard Voyager, she'd be offered a Starfleet uniform/field promotion as a way to demonstrate how everyone now viewed her as a valued and fully accepted member of the crew/family.
@Seal06262 жыл бұрын
@@BCBaron Like Deanna Troi.
@jimballard11865 ай бұрын
Seriously. I was even glad when she got out of that gray suit because of that creepy, sculpted breastplate.
@Crazael2 жыл бұрын
On the topic of Seven and the Doctor, instead of going My Fair Lady, I'd have her basically decide "relationships are hard and no one on ship is interesting enough. But sex is fun, so I'll keep doing that" and just have her occasionally hook up with various crew, including the Doctor, for a night or two.
@cardrabitt11592 жыл бұрын
Seven and Raffi’s ship name is UNDOUBTEDLY Saffi, and there is no other correct option
@Seal06262 жыл бұрын
Not even Raven?
@dhotnessmcawesome9747 Жыл бұрын
Fully agree. It's a cute name... I'd spell it Sapphi though... Just... saying. If you're going to be on the nose... Be on the nose.
@dhotnessmcawesome9747 Жыл бұрын
@@Seal0626 Look up "sapphic". Pronounced SAFIK. Saffi is... outrageiousy correct and the only valid option.
@dhotnessmcawesome9747 Жыл бұрын
I clicked on this ONLY hoping to find out what "shipping" is. Now I know. Thanks Steve. Also...Seven and Raffi's ship. USS Lesbos. What? It's a beautiful place on Earth! Deserves recognition.
@nicolasjancek2 жыл бұрын
Neelix trying to explain to Naomi that her mom and Seven are busy playing "Flotter and the Scissoring Wormholes" by themselves could've been a fun scene.
@matthew.datcher2 жыл бұрын
Steve's writing in this episode and the last one has been exactly on my comedy wavelength. I don't think I've ever heard blue screens and blue balls in the same sentence.
@bodhimind1082 жыл бұрын
That was excellent. But it was "I crashed the motherfucker",that really got me.
@jimnelson99492 жыл бұрын
And "Seven of Mine" killed me
@christopherdavis34242 жыл бұрын
Dammit, Seven and Samantha Wildman?! That would’ve been very interesting to see in the real show. Also, yes I was a teenager too when Seven was introduced on the show and yes she is very attractive, but I personally always found B’Elanna more attractive. That Tom Paris is a lucky SOB.
@kujasan2 жыл бұрын
Intentional comment BEFORE watching: When 7of9 joined Voyager, i was strictly opposed that. She seemed a desperate executive attempt of "sex sells" in my beloved trek universe. But writers and actress both proved me wrong. Voyager as a whole is a mess compared to, lets say ds9 and tng; but 7of9s story arcs are some of the best that voyager has to offer. Some of them are surprisingly deep and, dare i say it, great! I did not watch any spoilers to season2 of picard yet, but i enjoyed her addition to season 1. I would hope for more talking and less fighting in season 2, if it was up to me. edit: damn language barrier. i was not aware of the term shipping, it seems.
@nikon38222 жыл бұрын
Yeah, in Anime the Term shipping is much better known. According to your name your First language is German, so I can relate to that. I wasnt aware of the Term either, when suddenly shipping wars in a certain Anime broke out and the term became present everywhere. When I first watched Voyager I was too young to really realize her curves but I was all into the Story, a former enemy with a complete different View of existence. When I became older, her character was already established so I didnt care about it. Grüße aus Deutschland :)
@arklestudios2 жыл бұрын
I was lucky enough to have seen Jeri Ryan in something before she was on Voyager (a short-lived X-Files knock off called Dark Skies that was actually pretty good for the first 2/3rds of it's only season but then went off the rails so fast it getting cancelled was not a shock) so I knew she could act already.
@electricarchaic19 күн бұрын
Sex always sold when it comes to star trek, I wasn’t old enough when this was all live on tv to care, but bringing 7 online in hind sight seems to have balanced out voyager with all the other series. Kirk was constantly at it, tng was extremely sexy, and ds9 had Jadzia AND Kira... cough cough mirror universe ;) oh and don’t forget about Tipal however her name is spelled, but she is probably following 7’s formula.
@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын
I’ve been a Seven/Janeway shipper for about 15 years, so, I appreciate the middle of this video
@Vilamus2 жыл бұрын
I was wondering when the anti-, Voyager barbs would come :p Also, that advert for Seven of Mine is *chefs kiss*
@rastifan78632 жыл бұрын
When Seven was willing to boink Harry and he fucked it up, I actually yelled IDIOT!
@Chiscringle2 жыл бұрын
13:00 - How about this for interpersonal conflict, sexual tension, AND getting a little different about it: Seven and the Doctor are an item, and one of the things they get off on most is them becoming one person like in Body and Soul (only with a lot more mutually understood boundaries for their shared body). Some of the crew don't approve, some don't care, and some get REALLY uncomfortable when the two-in-one start looking for someone to join them when they're together. It can be like Tuvix only Janeway gets waaaaay more uncomfortable talking to them about how she needs both of them doing their jobs separately. 16:00 - The Janeway holonovel thing can go sideways when Seven goes through the entire thing, isn't very interested, and then drags Janeway through her own holonovel - being a Tertiary Adjunct of Unimatrix 01 so Janeway can learn what it was like for Seven while Seven learns human behavior from Janeway.
@BeauSmithFtl2 жыл бұрын
This has got to be your best video. I haven't laughed out loud so much at watching a video that was made about Star Trek. You've got an excellent sense of humor, Steve. This was great. Thank you.
@rivenscythe2 жыл бұрын
Come for the Vulcan Fuck Fever, stay for the amazing "Seven of Mine" intro. 10/10.
@amelzon12 жыл бұрын
“Vulcan ****-fever.” Love it. Great stuff Steve.
@kevinedie41192 жыл бұрын
I never understood why they got Seven with Chakotay? WTF?
@arklestudios2 жыл бұрын
My theory? The three biggest shipping contingents in the Voyager fandom around that time were Seven/Janeway, Janeway/Chakotay, and Seven/EMH. SO one day the writers got together and said, "what can we do to piss off all three groups at once?"
@broodjebamibal2 жыл бұрын
From rumors it was to piss off Chakotey's actor. Dude sorta wanted off the show so kept asking for more money/favors every season and didn't always get along with 7's actress so they paired them up out of spite. Again rumors.
@Vilamus2 жыл бұрын
I think Steve's joke about that is accurate.
@alanpennie80132 жыл бұрын
It was remarkably random. I suppose they thought it would be a happy ending for Seven. She'd have a guide to life on Earth.
@Alnarra2 жыл бұрын
IIRC It's some kind of behind the scenes pettyness with one of the producers that resulted in that.
@Afhall1232 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I always thought that it would make sense for Seven to join Tom and B'elanna as a throuple. As a person with Borg implants she would have the strength and regenerative abilities to withstand anrgy, half-Klingon sex and give Tom some chance for his bruises and bones to set. And also, someone who he can cry in the arms of with only a minimum of contempt from, as Seven might think this is all normal.
@MichaelHaneline2 жыл бұрын
I always found the idea of Seven hooking up with anyone a bit of an ethical quandary. She went into the Collective when she was like, 8 years old, iirc? When she’s first liberated, a huge part of her arc is that she obviously lacks any of that emotional development of someone her biological age. She seems to be an example of the “born sexy yesterday” trope, to an extent. Is she really able to give full sexual consent? As time goes on and she develops that emotional maturity, a sexual relationship seems more ethical, but where is the point that it became okay?
@alanpennie80132 жыл бұрын
It may be that Harry was actually emotionally perceptive if he grasped this.
@Robot_Eva2 жыл бұрын
I guess it really comes down to just how much personality and experience a borg drone has after disconnection from the collective. If they remember everything from the hivemind up till that point, including others perspectives, id say theres a case for being more mature from the offset. But if its just their individual experience retained, then itd result in being much less mature
@davidl65582 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I think Seven is an example of the "born sexy yesterday" trope. While the show does give some attention to educating and acclimating Seven, it's mostly in the context of exiting the Collective and not catching her up in terms of age. Pairing her up with anyone within the show's run and especially anyone with positions of authority seems like a bad idea.
@MrJerks932 жыл бұрын
I don't feel that her portrayal was anywhere close to an developmentally stunted individual. Inexperienced yes, but not deficient. To me it was no different than someone from a restrictive family going away to college and experiencing things directly that they had only read about before. From this line of thinking, the Doctor was even younger. If you don't think he's sexy you obviously haven't seen him as a naked cowboy. ;)
@beesbeesingtonvi6142 жыл бұрын
Calling it now, that's gonna show up in a comment response video
@legendswarble28452 жыл бұрын
I know Seven is bi but she has such strong wlw energy to me. My favorite ships of her are always with other women. I look forward to seeing where her thing with Rafi goes
@MrSexybeast1822 жыл бұрын
21:36 You missed a great opportunity: "I wasn't too sure about the pairing of Seven and Samantha, or Sevantha, as I've just decided *their collective* shall be known"
@EclecticFruit6 ай бұрын
I missed that and it's awesome!
@sutematsu Жыл бұрын
I cannot believe what a great ship we landed on. I'm an old time M/M shipper, but this the first F/F ship that felt both right and obvious as soon as I heard it. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
@bestnumberever732 жыл бұрын
I love the idea of Sevantha, but when I heard "Seven of Mine", I instinctively booed at my screen. Loudly.
@neiladam28322 жыл бұрын
This video made me laugh out loud more than anything you’ve ever done before. Kudos Mr Shives. 😊👍
@kamalalsb72922 жыл бұрын
What's kinda cool is that shipping, Fanzines and Fanfiction started with the Star Trek Fandom in the late 60's. Kirk and Spock are the OG's in that department, AND in the sense of being (probably?) the first instance of two heterosexual men being shipped together. All of this stuff STARTED with Trek, and then just branched out into fandom as a whole years later.
@Stephen-Fox2 жыл бұрын
100% with you that modern fandom - including the current version of fanfic, fanzines, etc, started with the women who really enjoyed TOS and wanted to write there own stuff within that universe, some of them started writing romance and only really had three fully developed characters to play with there, and one of them was Bones who... Yeah, doesn't really work as well with either Kirk or Spock than Spock and Kirk do together. Because as much as TOS rightfully gets credit for having more representation than most shows of the time... The show only really fully developed Kirk, Spock and McCoy, and I am not saying the rest of this to dismiss how much modern fandom owes to the women in early Trek fandom. But I'd argue fanfic - and to a lesser extent shipping (and the example I'm going to use actually demonstrates both) - is a return to how we, as humans, have traditionally engaged with stories in the era of copyright. After all, originally, Maid Marion and Robin Hood were from entirely separate bits of folklore that eventually people started intertwining together and it's that intermingled version where Robin and Marion get together that's survived - In modern terminology, a crossover slash fic of the original two folklore figures. (Before we get onto Shakespeare and how much of his plays are reworkings and retellings - fanfic, in other words - of older stories, or Disney and how many of their films could be considered fanfic of traditional fairytales. Or how The Divine Comedy is blatantly Dante's self insert Bible fanfic)
@carloshenriquezimmer75432 жыл бұрын
The first instance of two heterosexual men being shipped together, that I know was Sherlock Holmes and Jhon Watson, back in the days of the original publications. It was a short series of tales, from a "erotic" penny dreadfull magazine. They investigate a series of murders, related to a book of "romantic poetry between gentlemen". While reading that book, for clues, they start to have "awakening emotions"... They don't go all the way with one another, but them both admit to themselves about theyr feelings, and become saddened for not beying able to tell each other about it, and decide to continue beying professional partners, and keeping theyr feelings hidden. It ends, with them both thinking "if only I could muster the strenght to tell him...." The best part is that the way the tales were written does not disturb the continuity of the books (the originals). It is just a short case that takes a week or so to solve, and they mention facts from other books. Also, they went back to the "will they, wont they" after the fact. The question that I have is: DOES IT MAKES IT CANNON?
@matthewhearn99102 жыл бұрын
I love how this just became a rant about your problems with My Fair Lady halfway through.
@braedan512 жыл бұрын
Oh God - Seven of Mine...that's gold based on the title alone!
@Zahgurym2 жыл бұрын
Also a great Warp 11 song. Lol
@DaveonGrave2 жыл бұрын
Samantha's husband wouldn't have to go through a divorce if he already had her declared legally dead after Voyager had disappeared for several years.
@AlMcpherson792 жыл бұрын
Seven/Samantha has been written in a complete four-part story covering season four through seven and is amazing. it partially tackles a lot of episodes, tackles the issue of how the borg episodes really made the borg a badly-written villain that got dumber with each appearance and making it literal canon in the story... and also includes reference to some comic adventures including a crossover with Doctor Who, where the borg teamed up with the Cybermen or something and the latter left a virus behind because the cybermen dont want the borg, trek's version of the cybermen, to win.
@heypeopleitsmatt2 жыл бұрын
Link the fanfic fam, I'm so down to read this ^_^
@kevinkarnes40672 жыл бұрын
Written where? ✌&❤
@kevinkarnes40672 жыл бұрын
Also, the Borg and the Cybermen together? That makes sense. The Borg were a rip-off of them. So, of course they would try some kind of mash-up. Like trying to justify everything or whatever. 🙄smh ✌&❤
@arklestudios2 жыл бұрын
As the author of that story, thank you for your kind words. :)
@krme56842 жыл бұрын
That sounds awesome where can I find this?
@samanthads99032 жыл бұрын
Aw, man! See, I'm a filthy Seven/B'Elanna shipper. They're clearly a match made in the same quality of hell that the Voyager writers' room is.
@meghanobrien30452 жыл бұрын
They always did seem like opposite sides of the same coin
@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын
I’ve always been on the Janeway/Seven side but yk what I can totally see it for B’Elanna too. Especially that energy when she’s annoyed at Seven for messing with the ship systems.
@robinburt57352 жыл бұрын
I had to google what shipping was. It all makes perfect sense now. "Shipping (derived from the word relationship) is the desire by followers of a fandom for two or more people, either real-life people or fictional characters (in film, literature, television series, etc.) to be in a romantic and/or sexual relationship."
@robinburt57352 жыл бұрын
Also your erotic fan fic about Seven and the Doctor is horrendous haha, but i like the Janeway option :)
@patrickking31242 жыл бұрын
Its the movement of people or cargo by ocean going vessel.
@peterjf77232 жыл бұрын
Thanks for saving me from having to look up the meaning of shipping. I had not come across the term before watching this video.
@DLZ20002 жыл бұрын
I remember when the term first emerged to describe fans who paired Mulder and Scully. I had to double-check, because I was trying to remember if it really was as early as I thought.
@Tim3.142 жыл бұрын
Hi, Doreen! If you ask some of your friends who like writing fan fic, like your roommate Nancy or that kid Kamala from Jersey City, I'm sure they can tell you all about shipping! 😊
@matthewstarkie42542 жыл бұрын
"..talking about movies they know because of Tom Paris." made me unintentionally snort 😂
@literaterose67312 жыл бұрын
The “riding like an Appaloosa” (paraphrase, sorry) line made laugh so hard it interrupted my feeding the cat. He didn’t appreciate it, but I commend you-that is some gold star humor! This whole vid is a fabulous snarky piece, well done.
@schmingledwarf48972 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget about the season 7 episode “Body and soul” where the doctor literally had inhabited and controlled Seven’s body. You know he was thinking to himself the whole time “oh boy, the things I could do here!” Little holographic pervert
@blankb.22772 жыл бұрын
I really love Seven and Janeway as characters separately. It annoyed me the show kept trying to hook them up with the most boring character on the show. Brannon Braga once said he purposely made Chakotay underdeveloped/underwritten because the actor annoyed him. It was weird they kept trying to put him with the two female characters the show cared the most about.
@alanpennie80132 жыл бұрын
Good grief! Hard to decide whether Berman or Braga was more of a douche.
@pjlusk77742 жыл бұрын
I mean, they did this with Kira on DS9, too. Both of her pre-Odo love interests suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked. Shakaar was better than Bariel, who was so serene it was honestly kinda creepy. That said, Shakaar was played by the actor who also played Dr. Crusher's Ghost Candle For Fucking, soooooooo...
@kristinab38382 жыл бұрын
Brannon Braga must have hated a lot of actors on Voyager if that's the excuse he's using for under developing Chakotay. What excuse does he have for the rest of the cast that weren't the Doctor and Seven?
@TheDawnofVanlife2 жыл бұрын
@@kristinab3838 Boom!!
@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын
@@kristinab3838 apparently he pissed them off by asking for more money each year and starting to do the bare minimum of lines, but that’s just bc he was trying to get fired, so in a way staying on but having nothing to do on the show is an apt purgatory
@erf3176 Жыл бұрын
My ship for Seven would be Vorik... the Vulcan that tried to get it on with B'elanna. Seven had limited emotional range and got along with Tuvok because she had an appreciation for his unemotional style. Vorik was a Vulcan who could share some of that with her. But he was actually more open to human stuff than Tuvok. He socialized with the humans of the crew w/o being forced like Tuvok. So he's a nice in between Vulcan detachment but more accepting of humanity. By the time the show ends, Vorik is about three years away from his next pon farr. For his first one, he waited until the last minute to make his move on B'elanna. Logic would dictate that he starts making plans a lot earlier for his next one. He could have been trying to lock Seven down during the last two seasons. When his next Pon Farr rolled around he'd be ready.
@mikakestudios58912 жыл бұрын
The romcom ad sent me. You laid out the mental gymnastics of shipping fix-its with the pettiness of someone who has spent more time on wattpad than they are willing to admit.
@JustinGrays2 жыл бұрын
Growing up, I wanted to see a relationship between Kim & Seven develop, partially because I could see so much of myself in him. I could see Seven helping Tuvok during Pon Farr, because of their mutual respect and friendship. Samantha Wildman was wildly underutilized in the series - that always bugged me.
@seancorbett16952 жыл бұрын
Holy shit man. I've had to pause this a dozen or so times to catch my breath. This one has made me laugh so hard I'm crying! THUMBS UP!
@hopehilton2 жыл бұрын
The second Janeway premise is adorable.
@madmadge253210 ай бұрын
Bro, you should be on the writing staff for everything Star Trek. I'm serious, yours are better than the original ideas.
@arklestudios2 жыл бұрын
Chakotay didn't have no hobbies. He just had a different one every episode. Probably determined by dice roll.
@vesuvanprincess2 жыл бұрын
"Seven of Mine" > < my heart melted, you're really good at shipping it turns out.
@akosut2 жыл бұрын
I assume you're aware that George Bernard Shaw, who wrote the play that My Fair Lady is based on, never wanted Eliza and Higgins to end up together, and in his original version of the play, they do not, for exactly the reasons you state. But theaters kept staging the play with a "happy ending" that Shaw never wrote. He hated it, but audiences ate it up, and that's the version that got adapted into the musical.
@mrbojangles81332 жыл бұрын
Naomi: Flotter, can I ask you a hypothetical question Flotter: that is always a good idea
@TheChadOlson2 жыл бұрын
"...collectively known..." Well played sir. Well played.
@reedcockrell8126 Жыл бұрын
"Seven of Mine" should be a Hallmark movie!
@Tempest20052 жыл бұрын
I feel like Steve underestimated how many of his fans will suggest Voyager videos. :p
@oddchild12 жыл бұрын
The added imaginary legal minutiae is brilliant; & makes sense in universe. Also for fan fiction sake let's add the detail that Samantha's ex husband had to get this sketchy Ferengi divorce because she had been declared dead & he had already remarried but the sudden revelation of her survival had thrown the legality of said marriage into a legal limbo.
@MisterKerr2 жыл бұрын
I paused the video right before the reveal of the last potential ship to think of which crew members hadn't been covered yet, and for a brief, terrifying moment, all I could think was, "Don't say Neelix don't say Neelix don't say Neelix don't say Neelix...."
@DarthAzabrush2 жыл бұрын
Seeing as the Intrepid Class is (on paper at least) a science vessel I was kind of confused that Samantha wasn't one of the senior staff. After all in pretty much every episode with something sciencey happening in the main plot there's Samantha in her little alcove on the bridge spouting technobabble.
@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын
she was meant to be at the start, but they forgot about her
@DarthAzabrush Жыл бұрын
@@kaitlyn__L To be fair one of the main problems with writing Star Trek is that even just focusing on the senior staff means juggling dozens of equally strong personalities.
@JonBerry5552 жыл бұрын
For the last one, I think some tragedy is need, enter the Dominion and that's how Samantha and her husband's marriage would end; literally have him be killed in the Dominion War. I say this, because I feel like emotions stemming from loose rather than anger could serve the potential story to be told better. Seven lost her parents in a violent manner, so it could help them connect, having a similar, but different loose occur for Samantha (BUT do NOT hurt Naomi - plus we need someone to get it going).
@arklestudios2 жыл бұрын
If I remember right it's canon that Samantha's husband had a shop on the promenade on DS9, so he could've died as part of the Resistance when the Dominion occupied the station in early Season 6.
@RedXlV Жыл бұрын
@@arklestudios As far as I know, canon doesn't specify the circumstances behind Greskrendtregk being on DS9, just that Janeway met him there once. It's possible he was just there to see his wife off before her deployment. Though if he lives there, that actually does make a lot more sense because nobody actually expected Voyager to be on a years-long deployment. From their perspective, they'd expect to Samantha to be able to just come see him again whenever her next leave comes up, so Greskrendtregk taking a trip to DS9 to see her off (instead of just doing so when she got on a shuttle to leave Earth, Ktaris, or whichever colony they might have their home on) would've been pretty extravagant. So bottom line, it's very plausible for Greskrendtregk to have still been on DS9 when the Dominion occupation rolled in, and also plausible for the husband of a Starfleet officer to aid the resistance rather than just sitting back and taking it.
@cantantenoel2 жыл бұрын
This is my new Seven ship, I’m not even joking
@arklestudios2 жыл бұрын
Between Sevmantha and Shaynor (Mass Effect fandom for those unfamiliar with the ship name) I seem to be drawn to ships where one partner is named Samantha. Not sure where that comes from, I don't know if I've ever known a Samantha in real life let alone one who left an impact on my psyche. Edit: Oh, BTW I was a bit surprised to learn there's a segment of the fandom that would've liked to see Lt. Chapman come back and him and Seven to continue.
@StarkRG2 жыл бұрын
My alternative Seven relationship: Tom and B'Elanna. During the episode where aliens are doing invisible experiments on the crew and B'Elanna and Tom are going at it like rabbits, an orgy breaks out and the couple are introduced to the commanding yet tender styles of an ex-Borg. Afterwards B'Elanna realizes that, although she loves Tom she finds his lovemaking nice but ultimately unsatisfying and broaches the subject to him. He isn't sure, but agrees to a trial if Seven is amenable. Seven, for her part, hs been feeling awkward after the experience, not knowing how to reconcile the event with continuing to treat Tom and B'Elanna as mere crewmates. The relationship between the three grows beyond sex with each complementing the others. Seven feels like she can be more open with B'Elanna than anyone has been and they have long talks together. Tom and Seven's relationship is less close, though they both do love each other and are seen consoling each other when B'Elanna is missing on the crashed Delta Flier. The Unimatrix story arc gets a bit rough at times with Seven's feelings for her ex returning, but the three of them talk it over and B'Ellana still volunteers to be assimilated because she wants to help Seven. Tom is more accepting of this reasoning than he is in the real episode. The Borg didn't have any use for reproductive organs so Seven can never get pregnant, even so, she is ecstatic when B'Elanna gets pregnant. Seven is better able to talk B'Elanna out of genetically altering the fetus. Happily ever after. Or something, I dunno, I don't think I could be a romance writer.
@cl87332 жыл бұрын
"Vulcan fuck fever" that got me to the floor. 😂🤣😂🤣😂
@TahoeNevada Жыл бұрын
I love how Tim Russ (Tuvok) was also in Space Balls and said the iconic line, “We ain’t found shit!”
@moonkey2712 Жыл бұрын
My god Steve, you are such an evil genius! The folks who write star trek need to hire you
@jondorsey20432 жыл бұрын
Cool, so now, i won't ever be able to watch the episodes featuring Flodder again and not think of this. Thanks Steve. 😲
@Inscriptions372 жыл бұрын
So glad I'm not the only person who was confused by the fact that none of Voyager's former-Maquis crew members seemed to face any legal consequences when they reached Earth. I've always thought the series finale should've been a quieter, more dramatic episode finally resolving THAT conflict (and promoting Harry!), but I guess I shouldn't have expected anything better or more nuanced than what we actually got. Same goes for the whole "Sevantha" idea, which would've been great.
@ianmckee47262 жыл бұрын
With the war on, and the rest of the Maquis dead or already locked up, id imagine it wasnt worth the effort to try the what, dozen or so Maquis that made it back, espically if they were willing to stay "in starfleet". More bodies to fight the Dominion is better than comitting the resources to lock them up after all. Heck, Chakotay may have wound up with a Miranda class and a wing of fighters crewed by all the Maquis that stsrfleet had already locked up by the end of the war.
@ahumanbeingfromtheearth15022 жыл бұрын
@@ianmckee4726 actually the war had been over for about 2ish years by the time voyager got back.
@jamesdaly832 жыл бұрын
If he wasn't killed off, post-meld Suder could have been an interesting pairing with Seven. Even not sexual it could have been interesting seeing them both pursue and discover their humanity together.
@athane83582 жыл бұрын
IIRC, Jeri Ryan and Robert Beltran wanted Seven and Chakotay to start showing signs of that relationship growing. In the last few episodes the idea was set up but produces told them explicitly "No, absolutely not! Not even subtext!" then in the last episode "Okay, now kiss" The producers really said "We can't end this show with character development"
@veronicaklinger30062 жыл бұрын
Chakotay's bachground in anthropology was established early in the series and then just kind of forgotten. Kind of like Samantha Wildeman actually...
@BaldMikeS2 жыл бұрын
Sevantha was the best you could do? Wildseven is right there! Or if you're more adventurous, Seven Gone Wild.
@harjutapa2 жыл бұрын
I really really wish they hadn't screwed up the Doctor/Seven pairing. They had actual chemistry during that episode, and the writers chose to throw that away for a cheap emotional beat.
@electricarchaic19 күн бұрын
Yeah except for it feels inappropriate, it could have worked if the doctors mentoring of seven never happened I suppose. The techno tangle would have been interesting no doubt.
@SuspiciousKoala2 жыл бұрын
"There you go. You f*cking nerds." You know, Steve, you don't gotta call me out like that, lol.
@danieltilson405310 ай бұрын
The explanation for 7 taking the lead with Janeway is both realistic, and hilarious.
@mutopis2 жыл бұрын
"Seven of Mine", and this is how VOY got an eight season.
@Zoroasterisk2 жыл бұрын
Happy birthday Brian
@TananBaboo2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, Garret Wang was named one of the 50 most beautiful people by People magazine back in ‘97.
@BCBaron2 жыл бұрын
Seven could've done a lot worse
@goldthunder25292 жыл бұрын
Holy crap, when I started this video I was actually thinking Samantha Wildman and 7 would have been an interesting pairing. Well, actually I was thinking "that little-girl-with-the-horns-on-her-forehead's mom" I had forgotten both character's actual names, but I agree with Brian(Bryan?!) Damn... That ending tho... Lol...
@jessewilley5312 жыл бұрын
You forget that Seven and The Doctor had a kid together.
@johnpotts83082 жыл бұрын
Weren't the Maquis (or at least those on Voyager) all pardoned at some point (I think this was a result of the Dominion War)? I don't think Chakotay would need to spend any brig time on getting home. PS. I have no trouble believing Ferengi Lawyers would be happy to initiate one-sided divorce proceedings. For the right amount of Latinum, of course.
@jaymartin82732 жыл бұрын
I don't think it was ever said outright, more implied than anything else
@AtodaK2 жыл бұрын
Nice. I particularly enjoyed the last story. It had a great ending. I'm down for it.
@docmccrimmon4489 Жыл бұрын
Actually, I believe that in US (and likely Federation) law, a divorce can be filed due to estrangement. Such as one spouse being stuck on the other side of the Galaxy for YEARS with no contact. Heck, he could have just assumed she was dead long before then and moved on without the need for divorce due to her being presumed dead. Which I believe many people assumed of the Voyager crew after their disappearance.
@anvalisok2 жыл бұрын
Love the TV's Frank reference. You are always bringing the deep MST3k references.
@doctorshell71182 жыл бұрын
It’s hilarious to think of New Zealand as the Federation penal colony. Samantha is also married.
@LAJ-47FC92 жыл бұрын
This video took an unexpected turn that I didn't think I'd love half as much as I do.
@OkiePackerFan102 жыл бұрын
I've always felt that Data & 7 is the Best Ship. They could've explored new found humanity together for a lifetime. And were shortchanged a TNG/DS9/VOY Teamup Story that felt Necessary!!
@paulmiller78382 жыл бұрын
OK, we need to go back in time and get a Seven of Mine spin off series.
@Hammahlovesyou2 жыл бұрын
I never understood the attraction to her myself, but definitely identified with some of the stories about her that could be taken as an analogy for some of the struggles I've had with my autism brain 😅
@TechGroupF430i2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you mentioned that whole thing with Seven and Harry first. Feels like it would've been a crime otherwise. And to grossly oversimplify whether or not it would've worked, we have seen a similar dynamic in another franchise. The medium that brought them together is different, but relationship-wise it worked out nicely.
@c.h.41262 жыл бұрын
Seven and Harry have something else in common... 8472. Seven hates them because they slaughtered Borg. And Harry isn't comfortable around them because they almost devoured him alive....
@tunafarrell20672 жыл бұрын
Seven of Mine ..... pure gold
@monicaenns99672 жыл бұрын
A possible Samantha/Seven previous conection; Seven had to mommy those borg kids for a bit. She'd need some parenting advise. Going to an actual mom (instead of a Captain or Uncle) would make sooo much sense!