Fun Fact: I have a similar policy in regards to the mormons that knock on my door early Sunday morning.

what the kws do is right ? poor laws enable poachers to get away scot free

What can we do to help?

VICE What are you suggesting, leaving the elephant die? They tried education, they set borders for the park but people only think about the money. They kill elephant for personal gain

kill the human. protect the animals !!!

so true I hate to say it but chances are he rip dued to this video smh unreal

@Sir Man Yes We can. We can access it almost from any part of our country.

Totally agree, VICE did not investigate the motives of killing or kidnapping. The reporter only trying to put all blame on the old fat guy.

I agree. Vice told a very simplistic narrative here. The journalist missed many crucial points.

let's all just appreciate how high quality bingo's comment was (read it again)

thank you. as a kenyan this really irked me.

Well said. #gorillarape

Arming people gives them power and authority, that's why it's so important to check and recheck the guys you're putting in those groups. If they're going to so unforgiving in their approach of shoot first they should at least put up better barriers and markers to let people know they're entering an area where they could be shot.

@NEGUS MBARKA Leakey answered the questions honestly. why was the KWS targeting certain people, were they suspected poachers?

Feel ya there, bud. An anti poacher group somehow wound up on my various feeds and recruits actively from all over. I considered going but decided to try and get a better idea of the situation first. Seems like a lot of poor locals trying to eat and few rich killers trying to sell. Im not willing to shoot a guy in his back yard for trying to feed his family. Peace and love from Canmore, Alberta

@@MtnTow That truly is where the conundrum lies: How do you judge a man with hungry children, when a solution to his problem is a single desperate act? I challenge anyone to be subjected to the test, and see what side they come out on. On the other hand: There are only so many elephant, rhino, gorilla, etc. left. Once they’re gone, they’re gone. The root of the problem lies with the black market itself. Ancient Asian Medicine, with no scientific facts to support it, is what drives this loss and suffering. More money than sense. Gluttony, vanity, and GREED. Gorilla hands, elephant ivory, rhino horn, leopard testicles, or whatever. As long as there’s a market for these things, it will only become more lucrative as the supply dwindles. They won’t stop until they have killed the very last one of any species, because that one brings the biggest payday. Anyone caught dealing in endangered species deserves a death sentence, IMOP. There’s plenty of humans on the planet. Very few of the endangered species left. We haven’t earned the right to be considered special. We’ve abused our apex status.

these guys carry guns and machetes if they swing/shoot you're well within your right to defend yourself they destroy species for nothing but chinese herbal medicine juju

Because you recognize people by their faces and NOT from the back of their heads Duh!!

good interviewer btw

No, not really. Very suggestive from the get go. Just because teary eyed Fatima says her Mohamed was a "business man" and SURELY no poacher don't mean shit. The music, the intonation, the line of questioning, all packed with an underlying sense of direction. Trying to guide the viewer towards a specific opinion, instead of reporting factually. And Vice missing the reality check at the end: "Is there a human cost to poaching" - "Of course there is" There always is when two armed parties with opposing interests meet. Ever heard of Nagasaki?

Wow Goldencheese... I totally did not get that impression from the video at all. it is the job of journalist to tell the story of both sides. Obviously because of the world's support of it, the KWS's side of the story has been heard for over 20 years. I do not see how they reported anything that wasn't factual. I came out at the end of this with the same opinion I had before, that we definitely need to protect our wildlife not just for the sake of the animals but because the ivory trade funds terrorist groups. I also believe "shoot to kill policies" always lead to corruption and that the arresting of poachers is always the better outcome. Not only do you gain the ability to get information that may lead to more poachers, but it also takes the burden of killing someone off the shoulders of those who are protecting wildlife and places it correctly in the hands of the judicial systems. If you believe in someone's guilt to the point you are willing to take their life, then you should have no issue proving that guilt in a court of law. If you want to execute him for that crime, I'm ok with that, but lets not turn our protectors, into killers because killing someone, regardless if you feel justified in doing so, eats at person soul and ultimately corrupts. Also, if you want to maintain credibility, maybe you don't compare this to Nagasaki. I find it ironic how you say "vice missed the reality check at the end" when it seems you missed the reality check of the opposing viewpoints to your own beliefs and therefore classify them as not being factual yet you presented no proof to show they are lying. If you have no evidence to show they lied and Vice isn't showing any evidence that factually proves they are telling the truth then logically, the position only position to take is one that is open to these allegations yet skeptical of their credibility. Vice did a fair job of presenting it that way. Don't be scurred of opposing views, I promise ya, they'll only ever reaffirm your beliefs or prove them wrong, either way you'll be better for it.

no, more like sensationalism at its best. This documentary swept over a broad range of problems affecting kenya including a very quickly expanding human population, corruption at its highest in the judiciary system, human wildlife conflict which leads to animosty between local communities and inter-ethnic racism. They also did not have much show time with rangers in the area. Though I am not a massive fan of the Kenya Wildlife Service this kind of sensationalism "lets put someone crying in front of a camera" crap designed to pull heartstrings brings away from the fact that 10s of thousands of people die in Africa alone trying to protect wildlife that is quickly diminishing due to human ignorance and greed.

Exactly what I was thinking dude. It felt more like epic conversation involving Anthony Hopkins (the Oldtard in the video) and Jimmi Simpson (the interviewer) from WestWorld.

@NEGUS MBARKA wow it's 2019 and the amount of racism in your comment is disgusting!

Leakey answered the questions honestly. why was the KWS targeting certain people, were they suspected poachers? Probably. That wasn't explained

ElevatedLife801 🤣 just because he cried on camera it doesn’t mean he gets sympathy.His brother was a poacher and paid the price.

Brandon Saunders singing*

Tell the journalists family that. What was his crime trying to find out the truth about a corrupt organization in his own country. Hey but fuck it right there's 7.5 billion people out there it's fine .I hope they close your funeral with that statement

What do they sign?

@@Itistabaccobro amen to dat 🙏 if anyone ever get a reincarnation, id like to see this man's live swapped with the kenyan journalist.

@@rrrigil on a pickle lol

Charles Lostinique ikr he became so salty😂😂

well i mean obviously there is a human price to pay for animal conservation. they speak of KWS members killed every year in fire fights with poachers. (there was no mention of how many poachers were killed, nor does this expound upon the REASONS people poach ((likely: poverty, lack of education, lack of opportunity, and maybe just a straight up desire to feed their fucking family)) the question was meant to be provocative and if you dont analyze it then vice just takes you for a ride in whatever direction they want. The only conclusions that can be drawn from this video *IN MY OPINION* should be 1. KWS has a loose shoot to kill policy that, when in the hands of one or two irresponsible members, can likely cause death of innocent civilians. 2. Many members (whos specific backgrounds and sources of income are not well expressed) of local villages have gone missing, most seemingly without any thorough investigation. what else can we draw from this? idk. i wish i knew.

Awesome intro for a Hollywood detective movie.

AS A REPORTER, YOUR JOB IS TO TELL THE "COMPLETE STORY" AND NOT TO TAKE SIDES. AND RIGHT AWAY YOU CAN TELL THE REPORTER IS EMOTIONALY INVESTED ON THE PEOPLE VS. KWS. HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT THINGS FROM BOTH PARTYS PERSPECTIVE BUT IT WAS SLOPPY AND ONE SIDED PISS POOR EXCUSE FOR A DOCUMENTARY.LEAKY IS RIGHT ON TWO THINGS:1) NO HUMAN LIFE IS ABOVE NATURE.2) THAT REPORTER IS AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT.THE REPORTER IS NOT ONLY RUDE AND UNPROFESSIONAL, BUT ALSO COMPLETELY ONE SIDED. YOU CAN TELL HE IS OUT ON A WITCH HUNT, THIS IDIOT, BASING HIS STORY ON UNVERIFIED TESTIMONIES. AS A REPORTER, YOU HAVE TO BE OBJECTIVE ENOUGH TO LOOK AT BOTH SIDES. IN THIS DOCUMENTARY, HE ONLY ADVOCATED FOR THE PEOPLE WHO COULD HAVE BEEN ATTACKED BY ANY REBEL FORCE OR THUG GROUP (AND THERE ARE MANY IN AFRICA) UNDER THE DISGUISE OF KWS. I'M NOT SAYING KWS IS COMPLETELY INNOCENT, I'M SAYING THE NUMBERS COULD EASILY BE BLOWN UP BY UNSUBSTANTIATED REPORTS. PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE IN AFRICA ALL THE TIME, AND WHEN IN DOUBT, PIN THE BLAME ON THE KWS ALL THE TIME WHY DONT YOU.ALL I CAN SAY TO THE PIECE OF SHIT REPORTER WHO DID THIS PIECE IS DO YOUR FUCKING ASSIGNMENT AND NOT GET EMOTIONALLY INVESTED IN PEOPLES STORY YOU BUFFOON. YOURE ALL OVER THIS PIECE, YOUR HAND PRINTS ARE ALL OVER THIS DOCUMENTARY. Btw, if youre gonna ask the wife of the missing person, if her husband is a poacher, OF COURSE SHES GONNA SAY NO!

special forces thank you.

Julian Kozłowski You know what's up 👍

You almost got it right. Some of the soldiers are from other parts of Kenya but most likely, majority are Christians and some of the soldiers and rangers carrying out the killings are Muslims. The problem is between Kenyan state and Muslim people and not Kenyan “Christians” vs Kenyan Muslims and the extrajudicial killings started recently, in the last 10 years. In daily relations in Kenya, religion is not even factor and there are no religious tensions at all in Kenya. What we have is an increasingly criminal and predatory state. Democracy has ushered in more thuggery and criminality into the political system. Any criminal can contest and win power and criminals know only one way to solve problems. The previous Kenyan president, Moi, was dictator, probably illiterate but he was a man with more decorum than the democratically elected criminals now governing the country.

Julian Kozłowski that is absolute bullshit. Rangers living in the park are community reservists who are drawn from the communities that live in the area. No one tribe makes up the rangers unless the area only has one tribe.

thank you. some of thes people have no clue what they are talking about. the rangers are drawn from local communities mostly. they know the lay of the land and every foxhole a poacher could hide in. this was a bs documentary

@Julian I would like to respect your opinion but you are talking out of your ass. first you invented a whole new conflict,'religious' that bs... as a Kenyan I know thats not true and it never crosses our mind especially in wildlife conservation. probably if it was al-shaabab then religion does play a big role, but in wildlife? thats just ignorant and absurd

Vice comment sections are always a cesspool. It gets old fast.

Stereotypes exist for a reason.

Actually it does.

Actually it doesn't.

You know something...FUCK YOU I'm white and we "white people" have plenty of fucking issues and problems as well.....I'm man enough to admit my "white faults" Face facts....there are DIFFERENT traits within these human types...and some of these traits are totALLY fucked up. Uhhhhh How about EXAMINING Africa?? Look how much senseless tribal retarded butchering and violence goes on there... Look at cities like Chicago and Baltimore in the US? Coincidence? NO .........something about how we as groups are wired.... FUCKING DEAL With it and stop pretending we're all the "same"....fucking bullshit

this is shallow and bullshit reporting, no depth at all

He looks like he belongs in a psych ward

Welcome to the club. No different in America. There is a reason it's hidden or more importantly a reason you didn't know. Stop looking at your phone and create relationships and friendships with other people from other areas in your country.

Trump is president, so cancer already won this war. Hope more people like you can survive for future generations.

D Davey so it’s okay for the poachers to go in the reserve hunt down the rhino and shoot it and take the horn off. But like u said they are very poor people so a majority of poachers can not afford guns and ammo. So these low life piece of shits hunt the rhinos and they start hacking at there face has they are screaming in pain and terror because they don’t have good eyesight and the babies are screaming for there mothers. And they hack off half the face and they are still alive and dying slowly while there babies are trying to get comfort from there mother. And the elephants are poisoned, shot but alive and they hack into there face to remove the tusk. I have been hungry and homeless and no we don’t all get free food or help in America. You are on ur own if u r single with no kids. And I live In the city, there is no where to go fishing or hunting for small animals to eat. At least in Africa you can live off the land. Like every other villager in Africa. You can farm and grow food. One key thing I would kill to eat the animal. The piece of shits take the horn and waste the rest. And u let them roam for days to die slowly. And then there babies die a slow death from no food or water. Evil is in Africa and I applaud the shoot to kill policy and the capture of people who poached a animal and was tracked down and taken to pay for the crime. It’s murder. No animal deserves to die like that. We have our rules in America in parts of the country u can hunt deer, bear and small creatures. And fish. Certain times of the year and cannot kill females and babies, only males and can only kill a certain amount a year. You have to use all the parts of the animal except the bowels and stomach. We do not have any extinct animals we hunt and eat.

I personally think it is absurd for those tusks to be burned. Not to mention for all we know, this will were tusks from elephants which died naturally and they have just been collecting them over the decades, as they had stated the collection was from, and used the excuse of poaching to kill off other tribes they were against due to the mixing of Muslim culture into their area and families. This was much like the ivory being chipped in a wood chipper in New York years ago, except the ivory that was chipped up were carvings and statues and rare art of antiquity and different dynasties. They destroyed thw world's heritage. And so they burned the ivory. And regardless of how their death occurred, they are sending a clear message they honor the idea of conservation....but just don't value the animals and the products that come from them at the same time. It can't be that way. I'm quite sure any foreigner would rather they have used the ivory tusks to make small trinkets or sculptures or jewelry etc, and raised money for the communities around the park, or fuck, even the national park itself....that would have been much more respectful than burning the ivory. No matter what bs story they tried to attach to the tusks

How do you know they were poachers. Did you know them? that's also not the only crimes they committed (conventionally glossing over firing into protesters). Beside its not part of their mandate to go into villages, their job is to protect the reserve not enter villages.

Exactly

Well said

5yrs later this is too true. The damage done to the environment is more concerning than someone who disappears.

Antony N. word, you spoke the truth!

We have the facts. Good. Whats the best way forward?

No doubt westerns are exploiting Kenya in some shady way for natural resources like minerals, systematically the economy of the Kenya has been kept poor.

Omkar Chandra its not just westerners but tribalist corrupt government which doesnt give a crap about northern half of country. They treat many tribes as second class citizens, sometimes they even consider the native tribes in north to be foreigner, they have attempted to deport turkanas from kenya to South Sudan, the same goes with the native Somali tribes who they assume to be refugee from neighbouring somalia and refuse to give them citizenship even though there family has been nomads in kenya for centuries. Also same stories with borana tribes who they have attempted to remove them to ethiopia despite them living in kenya for hundreds of years if not thousands. They don't issue citizenships to the northerners so they dont even know sometimes which pokot/turkana nomad is actually from kenya or south sudan, so they just treat them as foreigners. And use that as an excuse to treat them like second class.

Alfonso chopi Civil servants should earn maximum of 5000 USD and minimum of 300 USD per month. Public and religious jobs are about bettering society not getting rich, how are Kenyans so comfortable with these leaders flaunting their wealth when people are literally starving to death?

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he organised a protest against the KWS

I can recognize the police but I’m not a criminal ..

KURIA NJUGUNA simple and effective answer.These idiots don’t get the simple answer 🤦‍♂️

Dude! I live near a forest. School going kids are raped, killed or infected with aids in the name of conservation. It's easier for you to say in a distance while ignoring the corruption and ignorance in the country. The rangers are compensated for arresting or killing people.

Those people live there idiot

it already did :) Far cry 2

and it did

Nope that's central Africa. Do your research

he may have the power to do what he can regarding ranger behaviour, but investigations murder and kidnappings are a police matter

Tf and that mean you can shoot a crowd of people? Eh excuse me?

way too many humans on the planet anyway. this place would be better with fewer of us on it.

I think what Duterte is doing is great. I was in Philippines not too long ago visiting friends who let me know I could walk anywhere at any time because of what Duterte was doing who they had democratically elected. They said before Duterte they would have to have their men personally escort their women everywhere, especially at night as rapes were common. Now not so much. America does not have a shoot to kill policy with drug dealings. How has that been working out?

Its the policy my dear

Matias Lopez learn english

Link_ 82 Its for others people. Not for me.

Baiiooo...please follow up on the kws..check out dwst videos

Alec yeeeeah, i get that feeling from time to time too.....then they do some bullshit piece and I remember "oh, that's right...there will be a few good pieces swimming around in a sea of bullshit" you have to plumb the depths to find decent content and you will be covered in bullshit when you're done. it can be a dangerous venture if you happen to not be inoculated against bullshit, I might add.....

bobsagget823 is a good example of a person not being inoculated against bullshit..... ignorance acts a bit like termites, so it's easy to see how far they've spread and how well they have dined. ;-)

Paul

it means the death of those elephants will not help sustain organized murder of their kind ... its the best you can do.

seem like stupid plan , will it not make ivory even more demanded and therefore expensive?

but every tom dick and harry will think it's ok to kill elephants to get ivory and sell them for a few bucks.Hope your kid's kids get to see an elephant in the wild someday

What do you suggest glue it back?

It's like when they crushed very beautiful hand carved ivory in New York. Some people spent hundreds of hours carving shit just for it to be crushed and the prices were astronomical. I believe they should have put it all in a museum along with a bunch of information about them going extinct and why you shouldn't purchase it

I agree with the chairman though. The reporter went too far trying to shove things beyond his responsibility down the chairman's throat.

The name is actually pronounced salaad

IN GOD WE TRUST as long as poachers die, we are good. I've seen many animals die and it needs to die

fuck Richard Leakey....he thinks we still live under British colony..fuck him..legend ni mimi

Richard Leakey ni mshenzi

+IN GOD WE TRUST So what's your limit? How many times will you let someone pester you with the same stupid question before you tell them to fuck off?

he lives in turkana county in a desert surrounded by wildlife with hes aircrafts armed and a shoot to kill order from the govt

victor kuchiki You live in that fucking banana Republic?

Hahahaaa,uuuuwi!!

You sound futuristic and science fiction fanatic.