Shooting Prvi Partizan 8mm Mauser Ammo (139 Grain SP)

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4 жыл бұрын

Range testing some 8mm Mauser / 7.92x57mm hunting ammunition from Prvi Partizan. This load has a 139 grain soft point bullet. In this session I shoot for group size at 100 yards, as well as over the chronograph to check for velocity. The test rifle is an excellent condition German Kar98k Mauser from 1941.
Prvi Partizan is a Serbian manufacturer of ammunition and handloading components, based in Užice, Serbia.

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@Thorsaxe777 4 жыл бұрын

I have noticed that PPU ammo has a consistency problem, some of their stuff shoots like match ammo and then it is like PPU stands for "Poor Performance Underpowered", I still buy their ammo, cost is the main reason and they make a wide selection of calibers that are hard to find. Dave

@chanhmilner2670 4 жыл бұрын

The company purposely under powers them. Modern 8mm is .323 diameter. While 8mm mauser before 1904 i think had a bore diameter of .318. So to keep those guys from blowing up there gun they knock em down to about 2100fps.

@314299 3 жыл бұрын

I've been mostly pleased with PPU ammo, this stuff was one of theit more disappointing products. A lot of us mil-surplus shooters would be in a tough spot if it were not for the array of odd stuff they supply.

@HaroldTheSloth 4 жыл бұрын

I purchased a Yugo M48 several years ago, and the gun shop offered me some Prvi 8mm along with it. I had horrible accuracy like yourself and thought there was something wrong with my rifle. Since 8mm ammo isn’t common where I live, and wanting to give my rifle another chance, I searched for some 8mm reloading dies and some bullets to try a couple hand loads. HUGE difference, and I haven’t purchased any Prvi ammo since

@Riflechair 4 жыл бұрын

Nicest K98k ever. I'm jealous

@314299 4 жыл бұрын

It's a nice one for sure, and came with a numbers matching bayonet.

@heyyoubuddy6749 4 жыл бұрын

What a beautiful ride iPhone yeah disappointing performance from the ammo oh well at least you got the brass I love my key 31 it’s like a Swiss watch of rifles thank you for sharing and taking us to the range as always

@slapnutzracing2152 3 жыл бұрын

My cz 527 22 hornet shoots ppu stuff great 20oz bottle caps go by by at 100 yards with it . 139 grs seems light for the 7.92x57 most of the military stuff is 150gr plus so the twist on that rifle my not throw them 139s very good.

@314299 3 жыл бұрын

Yes it is on the light side and loaded rather lightly, I'm sure their heavier loads will shoot better.

@gunnerjames1056 4 жыл бұрын

What a beautiful rifle! I noticed tradeexcanada has 196 gr. PPU soft point at $27.95 right now. I'm a fan of PPU when I am trying to find obscure ammunition, and the price seems to be the most reasonable from this company. Thanks for the review.

@314299 4 жыл бұрын

I have heard that the 196 grain load shoots well.

@hoffmiermp 2 жыл бұрын

It's just the way it goes sometimes. My 43 BNZ and Yugo M98 absolutely loves the German milsurp while my Ankara Mauser responds better to the cheap fed arm stuff. I am going to reload for this cartridge and hopefully find something they all respond to equally or relatively course. I might cast some 8mm bullets later on down the road, cheaper alternative.

@314299 2 жыл бұрын

I've tried this stuff out of a few rifles and so far none of them shot it well. I'm not especially concerned with that as the fired brass is worth what I paid for the ammo and it reloads very nicely. I shoot cast bullets a lot in the 8mm Mauser, the Lyman 323470 has proven an excellent bullet for the round.

@hoffmiermp 2 жыл бұрын

@@314299 I'm definitely going to start casting for it once I get the molds. It's a phenomenal caliber imo, the 8mm mauser is a brute.

@jamespollard1670 4 жыл бұрын

Well .... you have some brass to reload .

@314299 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, worth what I paid for it just for the brass.

@sinjin6219 3 жыл бұрын

Yep, that's what I bought it for.

@modillo1986 4 жыл бұрын

Also with k98s, especially in the military configuration, the sights are for man sized targets. They were also made for the heavier bullet weights. My grandfather replaced the front and rear sights for sporter sights. Big difference in accuracy improvement. He favors the 150-170gr spirepoints

@topturretgunner 3 жыл бұрын

John Craig the battle sights of those rifles are made to be used with the milspec (pressure) ammo and not this weak low pressure stuff that is currently being offered commercially. Yeah I understand the bore diameter differences between the 1888 and 1898 contract rifles .318 and .323 diameters but a simple warning from the manufactures regarding this I would think would be sufficient. It's a shame as the 8mm Mauser round due to it's greater sectional density has great potential for use on medium to large antelope along with other large North American game. 196-198 gr fmjsp ammo loaded to 2700 fps velocities would be a great offering for this application.

@forrestry 4 жыл бұрын

Always have shot 7x57mm 139 grain BTSP loaded with the Lee Loader. Good stuff.

@314299 4 жыл бұрын

A 139 grain projectile makes a lot more sense in a 7mm than it does in an 8mm.

@forrestry 4 жыл бұрын

@@314299 Never having shot an 8x57 I'll have to agree out of pure ignorance. Lol.

@bigtrev761 Жыл бұрын

🇦🇺😎👍Hey mate I shot 2 groups with a varmint ss T3x using a 20 power scope in 6.5x55 and got 3/4 groups at 100 yards. My 30/30 didn’t like it and my 243 didn’t either…Also my 7.62x39 Howa varmint 4-12x40 scope got 1 1/4 at a 100… Perhaps I need to shoot more or modify triggers etc to improve but that’s my results big fella….All using PPU factory ammo

@314299 Жыл бұрын

PPU is much like Federal, Winchester, etc in that some of their loads perform well in some rifles and poorly in others. This 139 grain 8mm load is probably the worst performing PPU load I have used in this rifle, but other loads, like their 182 grain 7.62x54R has been an excellent performer in most of the rifles I have tried it in. In the end you have to try a particular load to see how it agrees with your particular rifle.

@slowhand1198 4 жыл бұрын

Short bearing surface probably didn't help, and as you said, low speed to boot. If I had a few more boxes, I'd be tempted to pull the bullets, and dump in some more powder to see if it helped any. Probably not, would be my guess.

@davidfriesen9512 3 жыл бұрын

Hi 314299. Maybe the powder charges weren't the same. And maybe the twist rate of the rifling is for heavier bullets. Maybe the bullets were .318 and not .323. Just speculating. If you do some hand loads I'm sure you can make an accurate and powerful loading. 😎👍

@314299 3 жыл бұрын

If you are curious as to what is in this stuff I did a video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l697Zt2Wv824YaM.html Bullets are .322", so a little small but certainly not .318" small.

@jmartin9059 3 жыл бұрын

*Try Sellier & Bellot for full power 7,92x57 JS or 8x57 IS/JS mm ammo. IS or JS ? That 'letter' was actually a German Gothic font 'I' mistaken by Americans and or British as a 'J'....when forward observers {or spies} were seeing what the enemy had.*

@314299 3 жыл бұрын

I'm not a fan of S&B ammo. If I were looking for factory 8x57 ammo at the moment I would pick a different PPU loading, they have other loads with 175, 185, 196 and 198 grain bullets.

@garymcdonald6529 4 жыл бұрын

When I used Privi with a Hakim the round was way high but the reworked Russian from Canada ammo was on target. I had to turn my gas up to get the surplus to eject. I actually think the Privi was hotter just the the rifle felt when fired.

@pokiebaron1 4 жыл бұрын

I know a number of the videos are re-uploaded. I was wondering if you could post the original post date in the description? There have been a couple of times when I've looked for ammo featured in your videos, only to realize some of the old surplus stuff has dried up. Thanks!

@keystonecountryboy 4 жыл бұрын

I have 196grn prvi I have not shot...I load 150 grn hornady spitzers and 4064, i like their brass, I also reform 30/O6 brass to 8mm also

@314299 4 жыл бұрын

Privi ammo is generally quite decent, this particular loading is a bit of an oddball, but it only cost me $5 a box so it was worth it just for the brass.

@roleymarx3811 4 жыл бұрын

Was there much fouling in the barrel between groups? And I agree with slowhand11, may be the short bearing surface for the light bullet. Thank you for the video.

@topturretgunner 3 жыл бұрын

That stuff is definitely loaded under pressure. Not something at all that I would ever consider for hunting. Thus far the best commercial offering that I've seen is the Sellior & Bellot 196-198 gr offerings. These seem to be loaded at fairly close to milspec pressures. Most commercial 8mm loadings are loaded at low pressures I'm told to avoid civil liability If the .323 bore ammo is accidently loaded in the older .318 bore 1888 contract rifles. This may cause a dangerous pressure spike causing catastrophic failure. Sadly though this practice has made for ammo that performs at ANEMIC 30-30 levels and really underserves and does no justice to the 8mm Mauser 1898 contract rifles with the .323 bore. The 8mm Mauser remains a popular hunting rifle in Europe it's truly a shame that American ammo manufactures cannot seem to come to grips with issuing a warning about the dangers of using .323 diameter ammo in the .318 bore rifles and thus give us some decent offerings in 8mm Mauser ammo rather than the ANEMIC, WEAK crap that they currently offer.

@314299 3 жыл бұрын

These would probably be OK for hunting small deer, and I suspect that's what they were loaded for. These are certainly not PPU's best load, they do offer several other 8mm Mauser/7.9x57 loads that have much more powder.

@aussieshootandhuntadventur4973 4 жыл бұрын

Twist rate better suited to heavier bullets 198grain . My 1904/39 does same on light bullets

@314299 4 жыл бұрын

I have fired hand loaded 8mm Mauser with 125 grain bullets that shot much better than this stuff, but mine were much higher velocity. I think these are just loaded too lightly.

@warfightersupremsstreamgro2273 4 жыл бұрын

Wow your underrated but still no dislikes and 70 likes

@chanhmilner2670 4 жыл бұрын

PPU purposely underpowers their round. Modern 8mm has a bore diameter of .323, whereas the Gewehr 88 had a bore diameter of .318, so to help keep them from blowing their guns up because they dont know what they are doing.

@314299 4 жыл бұрын

That's a popular theory, however PPU also loads 8x57mm with 175, 185, 196, 198 and 250 bullets. All of these loads use .323" bullets and all are quite a lot more powerful than this light 139 grain load. I think this 139 grain load was made for European hunters who are after smaller breeds of deer where the full power is not required and would be unpleasant in a light sporting rifle.

@chanhmilner2670 4 жыл бұрын

@@314299 yes they load full power rounds also. Kind of hard to find on the shelves in america though, at least in my area. Also i missed that your were shooting only 139gr.

@mckwilly 4 жыл бұрын

Curious if your better groups were with a heavier bullet ? I've got some 168 and 180 loaded up for next range day, with my sporter Mauser

@enolwlfe 2 жыл бұрын

Them bullets are to light for that casing , seems like, I seen heavier bullets out of the 8mm Mauser group way better.

@314299 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, they are lighter than normal, most 8mm ammo has bullet weights of 150 or more grains.

@bigingo4269 4 жыл бұрын

which is the best ammunition for the Kar98k

@yevgenz 4 жыл бұрын

Is Mauser K98 bolt smoother than Mosin? You seem to be working it so easily, and I have never shot one.

@314299 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, the Mauser is a smoother operating action than the Mosin.

@garymoore3159 3 жыл бұрын

Why is loaded 8x57 factory loaded ammo so abysmal? Handloading brings out it's best attributes. It is certainly an equal if not a better of a 30-06. Problem is the confusion on the J, JS and whatever subspecies and factories loading the the LCD. Killed lots of game and Tommies.

@314299 3 жыл бұрын

Lots of good full power loads for the 8x57 from the European companies, this PPU load is an odd example of a weak one. I suspect north American made 8mm Mauser was loaded down because 8x57 will fit and chamber in a 30/06.

@garymoore3159 3 жыл бұрын

@@314299 Load your own. Even the cheapest of loaders will put you head and shoulders over any European ammo.

@byerboys2607 4 жыл бұрын

The privi ammo is a great source of brass tho not the best shooting fac. Loads but makes fine reloading brass just food for thought

@314299 4 жыл бұрын

I have had good luck with some of their loads, their 182 grain FMJ 7.62x54R is very accurate stuff. These 139 8mm are the worst shooting PPU product I've come across. I think the bullet is just too light.

@byerboys2607 4 жыл бұрын

@@314299 my thoughts aswell I shoot skuds of privi 7.62x54r and it's pretty darn good

@cory8791 4 жыл бұрын

Zig zagging down the barrel?

@777anarchist 4 жыл бұрын

Undersized bullets?

@314299 4 жыл бұрын

Surprisingly they are not undersize, they are .323"

@gatlingbert 4 жыл бұрын

The PPU 8x57 IS 198 grain is more powerful

@314299 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, quite a lot more powerful.

@thehoneybadger8089 3 жыл бұрын

A 30-30 would give better performance.

@314299 3 жыл бұрын

And more recoil as well.

@long-zw8gr 3 жыл бұрын

m48 is the most accurate with 12.7gr heavy grain ammunition due to the tube twisting step, all below that is poor precision and poor groups

@314299 3 жыл бұрын

I've shot a fair bit of hand loaded ammo in 8mm Mauser that used the 125 grain Sierra bullet, it was plenty accurate but the velocity was considerably higher than this 139 grain PPU ammo.

@bigtrev761 Жыл бұрын

🇦🇺😎👍

@314299 Жыл бұрын

Thanks.