Short 330 and 360 - The Feederliners

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Жыл бұрын

Dia dhuit! :D
Today, we cast our eyes over a pair of airliner models that were generally never noticed when they were in mainstream service, two utilitarian designs that were built with the sole purpose of combining efficiency, ruggedness and practicality so as to serve some of the most remote regions on the planet, although looking deep into the story of these purposeful machines, the Short SD3.30 and its larger Short 660 brother did in fact prove to be among the most successful British-built airliners in history, so much so that over half of each version produced ended up in service on the highly insular American market, proving that, despite decades of failure in attempting to woo airlines of the United States, with the right mixture of circumstance and appeal to an untapped market segment, the UK aviation industry could indeed make a splash across the pond.
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@robg5958 Жыл бұрын

Excellent presentation. I am a former Short Brothers Airframe Fitter, (apprentice intake, 1980)and I worked on the 330/360 and Sherpa production lines. All three aircraft had an amazing amount of interchangeable parts and they certainly were good value for money. When the first Sherpa was handed over to the US military, no expense was spared for a huge presentation ceremony in the aircraft assembly building at Sydenham known as A.A.B. A massive stars and stripes flag was ordered, but before delivery it somehow became stained by dirty rainwater. During the presentation, the first Sherpa was positioned in front of the water damaged flag so that the cameramen present would only be able to take photos of the clean section of the flag draped behind the aircraft. It worked out well in the end. I have many happy memories of my time at Shorts. Great aviation company with a great heritage. I have always been proud to say that I was a Shorts Apprentice.

@daszieher Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing!

@sg_simulations6344 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic personal account. Thanks for sharing it.

@robg5958 Жыл бұрын

@@daszieher I am not sure if you are writing from Germany, but after I left Short Brothers in 1988, I ended up working at MBB Lemwerder near Bremen for almost six years. Lemwerder is now closed, but it was one of the best places I have ever worked at. Top quality and fantastic German efficiency!

@daszieher Жыл бұрын

@@robg5958 indeed, I am German and even work and live in Hamburg. Very nice to see that you appreciated "our" aero industry. 👍. Our in quotation marks because it, while very often depending on national support (tax money), it is "made" by the actual individuals working there. Through one of my customers I have (lose!) connections to Finkenwerder (Airbus). My first knowledge of the Short Brothers as an aircraft manufacturing company was through a book on WWII aircraft that I received as a present in sixth grade. It also featured the Short Sunderland, very impressive!

@robg5958 Жыл бұрын

@@daszieher I have happy memories of Hamburg as well. I stayed in hotel Schumann, Langenhorner Chaussee, for nine months in 1993 whilst working at Lufthansa. It's a pity that ASL Lemwerder closed as the expertise it possessed cannot be easily replaced. Unfortunately, the airlines seek only profit and they care nothing about quality. They see repairs and maintenance as a drag on their profit margins. Thankfully, I am retired now. I'm hoping to visit Germany later this year.

@IndaloMan Жыл бұрын

20 years ago I recall flying from London City to Leeds Bradford on a Shorts aircraft. It was leased to British Midland from a Caribbean airline, the forward bulkhead was decorated with palm trees, sandy beaches and beach bars. #goodolddays

@priceyA320 Жыл бұрын

The Irish Concorde. A fine machine.

@daszieher Жыл бұрын

😂 Irish Concorde, I love it! 😂

@TimSmyth23 Жыл бұрын

Offensive. It’s British, NOT Irish.

@priceyA320 Жыл бұрын

@@TimSmyth23 Belfast is in Ireland is it not?

@PriddhasPengu Жыл бұрын

@@priceyA320 It's indeed in a part (or a decent chunk) of Ireland that just so happens to fall under full British control.

@Mgaffo222 5 ай бұрын

Still Ireland@@PriddhasPengu

@daigriffiths399 Жыл бұрын

Yup - the Flying Shed. I worked in Shorts during the Millenium Bug panic in the I.T. team. Even though it had been part of Bombardier for years, it was still known as 'Shorts' in Northern Ireland. I had been fascinated by the Flying Shed for years and with the help of the Training Department I developed a full study-level simulation based on what was then Microsoft's Flight Simulator 2000. I was utterly amazed by the number of Shed pilots who used it for systems familiarisation - I had emails from (literally) all around the world! As I type this, the row of manuals that the Training Department helped 'liberate' for that exercise are on the shelf behind me. I also finished that Millenium Bug contract in legal possession of a set of rudder pedals, two control wheels, one control column and two cockpit seats from an SD-360-300.

@arthurmee Жыл бұрын

I was always fascinated by the quirky but ultimately utilitarian appearance of the 360s flying in and out of Exeter airport. Miss them now.

@stephenjenkins10 Жыл бұрын

I used to enjoy my flights back from Belfast City airport up to Glasgow, with Logan Air, when I was a student at The University of Strathclyde. As the SD360 wasn’t pressurised they flew lower than other aircraft, usually at about 10,000 feet I think. This meant that when you crossed the Irish Sea to Scotland, the plane would turn left, up along the Firth of Clyde, along the Ayrshire coast to Glasgow. As we were so low, compared to pressurised aircraft, you got a great view along the coast up into Glasgow.

@SimonWallwork Жыл бұрын

That was me, that was.

@MrArgus11111 Жыл бұрын

I really enjoy this channel. I'm learning quite a lot about British and European aerospace and trains and cars from you, Ruairidh. Thank you! This information is hard to collate as an American and you do the job nicely.

@theoldar Жыл бұрын

I flew in a Shorts from State College to Philadelphia in 1984. It was very loud, but the views from the low altitude cruising altitude were great!

@stevenr2463 Жыл бұрын

Very informtative, thank you. I frequently flew on Shorts to and from Guernsey, Channel Islands, in the 1980s and 90s. Never realised that they were not pressurised?

@flemmingsorensen5470 Жыл бұрын

Great video - as always 👍

@Looter92 Жыл бұрын

The notorious Edmonton City Centre Airport!

@one42chrisp Жыл бұрын

YXD, gone but not forgotten!

@egpx Жыл бұрын

Ah, the Shed! A curious beast, pootling about at 10,000ft or below. I controlled a few of them in my time, mainly Loganair examples heading to the Highlands and Islands. Flew in a few too. As a passenger it was quite a decent aircraft for the role it filled. Positively capacious compared with the competition. It will always be a Shed to me though because a) it looked like one and b)it flew like one!

@paleoph6168 Жыл бұрын

So this is the aircraft James May got his pilot's lisence for - his shed. It's an inconspicuous one, I'll give you that.

@cellpat2686 9 ай бұрын

a) 😄😄😄 b) 😄😄😄

@AIRLINERVIDEOS Жыл бұрын

Superb video! Loved the Shorts 360! I remember being sat watching British Midland Shorts 360s flying in and out of East Midlands Airport as a kid. Together with noisy DC-9s!

@donalfinn4205 Жыл бұрын

‘I remember being sat?..

@camclark7046 Жыл бұрын

Wonderful coverage of a unique and versatile aircraft. I had the opportunity to fly on a Short 330 with launch customer Time Air. I think it was 1979. As an aside there is a smalll but non-zero chance that an updated 360 will see a production run in the future. It all depends on demand and as noted, this plane filled a niche for short haul services into rugged airfields for a plane bigger than the DHC-6 Twin Otter.

@davidchant5550 Жыл бұрын

Wonderful presentation. I remember back as a trainee aircraft mechanic in the late cold Autumn of 1985, hopping aboard a 330 from Luton to Isle of Man night postal run, sitting on the mail bags. What a great utility and rugged aeroplane. Seriously easy to load and unload. Happy memories.

@arturo468 4 ай бұрын

I flew these for Gill Airways back in the 1990s. Great fun and also some challenging flights during winter over the north sea to Denmark.

@jospi2 Жыл бұрын

One interesting detail is that the fuselage due to its shape generates part of the lift.

@johnnunn8688 Жыл бұрын

I’m not going to Google it but yes, looks like it’s possible.

@cellpat2686 9 ай бұрын

Ain't that something. 😄

@Mancozeb100 Жыл бұрын

Flew the Aer Lingus route Dublin-Liverpool in 360s. Taking off from Speke Airport, on the return journey, the ascent seemed so slow, it often looked to me, like we were going to slide backwards into the Mersey !

@markparry63 Жыл бұрын

It's Liverpool Airport, Speke was the old RAF Speke station.

@Mancozeb100 Жыл бұрын

@@markparry63 Is it not the same place ? - RAF Speke became Speke Airport became Liverpool Airport became Liverpool John Lennon Airport… ?? Speke is not that big surely?

@markparry63 Жыл бұрын

@@Mancozeb100 same site yes, but like Manchester Airport isnt called Ringway anymore neither is Liverpool Airport called Speke.

@Mancozeb100 Жыл бұрын

@@markparry63 Liverpool Airport is in Speke though - it’s the same location - maybe I should have said, the airport in Speke. It wasn’t called John Lennon Airport until the 2000s - it was in the early ‘90s when I flew there - and I’m sure it had a Speke Airport sign - if not indeed, Speke International Airport, over the entrance of the, then, new building ! I understand that the RAF had been there too. There was an older runway just to the east of the current runway - assuming that was one of the earlier RAF runways?

@markparry63 Жыл бұрын

@@Mancozeb100 I grew up in Speke and it has never been called Speke International. Always Liverpool Airport since I was a lad in the late 60s. The older runway was the EAF one that airlines used until the new runway was built. Lots of Vickers Viscounts, Vanguards, Dan Air DH Comets, then the Logan Air and others with the Short aircraft. BA used to operate Jetstream aircraft to Belfast in the early 80s. When the new runway was built the old hangars to the west of the field were used for general aviation until the new facility by Dungeon Lane was built. Older people used to still say Speke but the airport hasn't used that name for many decades.

@propman3523 11 ай бұрын

Excellent presentation. I enjoy seeing a daily Short 360, which operates KMKE-KMSN (my home)-KMEM and return.

@TheHylianBatman Жыл бұрын

That thing is so goofy! I love it a lot!

@carlszymanski5812 Жыл бұрын

Commonly known as the ' Flying shed '

@michaelmorley7719 Жыл бұрын

I first saw a 330 around 1980 when my father took a trip on Allegheny Commuter out of Youngstown. For as small as it was, it made a lot of noise.

@zanelindsay1267 Жыл бұрын

I had never heard of this airplane but it's an interesting story, Thanks for sharing! A minor trivial point at 10:04 - - Americans don't pronounce the second "c" in "Connecticut".

@FastAsFunk Жыл бұрын

Excellent video. Love Short bothers aircraft.

@ManxAndy 11 ай бұрын

Shorts 330 & 360 were the mainstay of the main airline serving the Isle of Man 🇮🇲 back in the 80s, known as the flying skips …. Basic , crude but totally reliable…..they were superseded by a fleet of ATPs …which were limousine’s in comparison 👍🇮🇲😉

@SimonWallwork Жыл бұрын

It flew better than it looked. My first job in aviation was as an F/O with Loganair on the 3-60. She flew great. Edit to add- We had G-LEGS, G-WACK, G-ISLE, G-BVMY (a -300), G-BLGB (goes bang), G-BKMX & G-BMAR.

@KarmaFlight 11 ай бұрын

I flew the C-23 Sherpa in Iraq in 2006-07 with I Company, 185th TAC. Thanks for making the video.

@michaeloreilly657 Жыл бұрын

Ahead of its time. Boeing and NASA will spend billions on similarly designed wings.

@Yormsane 11 ай бұрын

Back in the 90s, these would operate out of Leeds Bradford Airport, in the service of Gill Airways. I think they flew from there to Edinburgh, but my memory may be a bit hazy by now.

@modelmanfrank 10 ай бұрын

There is a Short 360 at Sebring airport. It is here till it finds another owner

@threeparots1 Жыл бұрын

I dint realize Time Air launched a version of this. Rework done in Calgary too. The new Dehavilland Canada does some work around the Calgary, possibly converting Canadair 215 into turboprop either in or next to the old Field aviation building. shortly lives on building wings for the A220 in a very creative design. Neat stuff and nice review. These Shorts aircraft did get use out of YVR for quite some time.

@jonrolfson1686 Жыл бұрын

Working in Thailand in the late eighties and early nineties often entailed travel to some of the kingdom’s smaller towns. Those journeys were usually by road, but the occasional need to swap out with a co-worker who was already in place meant air travel. Thai Airways Shorts 330 aircraft proved to be a great way to travel to those smaller towns. As an additional benefit, the small airliner’s generously sized windows provided a great view as the altitude-limited unpressurized craft crossed the countryside.

@nopenotme6369 Жыл бұрын

I always liked the astedics of the type even though I’ve heard it’s a challenge to land in crosswinds.

@williamerazo3921 Жыл бұрын

All over the Caribbean islands for American Eagle

@sg_simulations6344 Жыл бұрын

Reduced noise? Haha, easily the loudest aircraft I've ever flown on! 😂

@DaveSCameron Жыл бұрын

Same here! 😂

@priceyA320 Жыл бұрын

You should ride in a Trislander. 330 positively whispers in comparison..

@sg_simulations6344 Жыл бұрын

@@priceyA320 I would've loved a chance at a Trilander. A rare bird nowadays unfortunately.

@terryboyer1342 Жыл бұрын

My brother in laws first airline job was with American Eagle flying Short 360s.

@cellpat2686 9 ай бұрын

11:33 - The little sherpa in camo. Very cute.

@benwilson6145 Жыл бұрын

Thankyou

@peterskinner5076 Жыл бұрын

More commonly known in the UK as The Shed

@Mancozeb100 Жыл бұрын

In Ireland, we referred to them as the Vomit Comet !

@6yjjk Жыл бұрын

Back in the 90s, the part of Aberdeen Airport where they spent the night was referred to as The Allotments!

@peterfinucane8122 Жыл бұрын

Did these have to fly at night to avoid teasing?

@terryboyer1342 Жыл бұрын

No. but the pilots often wear paper bags on their heads.

@egpx Жыл бұрын

I don’t think the aircraft was at all embarrassed about its looks! Incidentally, they flew a lot at night in the UK as they were utilised by the Post Office to move mail around the country.

@borisbernal6475 9 ай бұрын

En Panama volaron Short 360 con la aerolinea regional.aeroperlas por muchos años

@johnnunn8688 Жыл бұрын

The Skyvan, for a few years now, has been used by the RAF, under contract and with RAF pilots, to chuck paras out of the back of, over the old airfield at RAF Little Rissington; a very sad state of affairs. It’s a very noisy aircraft, while in the climb. I worked on them at Oxford Airport.

@blah7956 9 ай бұрын

The battle for control over the USAF/US Army sherpas was an interesting tale.

@sg_simulations6344 Жыл бұрын

We all called them the Shoebox

@neiloflongbeck5705 Жыл бұрын

I've heard them call Flying Sheds as well.

@juliusnepos6013 Жыл бұрын

Yeah it is nicknamed the shoebox

@sg_simulations6344 Жыл бұрын

@@neiloflongbeck5705 Ah that's a good name! I like it.

@paleoph6168 Жыл бұрын

@@neiloflongbeck5705 look what you've done to my bloody shed man!!

@jb894 Жыл бұрын

I was on the 330. A flying box.

@21stcenturybohemian Жыл бұрын

It almost seems like the wing is too small for the size of the aircraft. And then there is the airfoil shape of the fuselage... is it a lifting body?

@nikoscosmos Жыл бұрын

Shorts also proposed a successor aircraft called the FJX, a twin turbofan design that looks identical to the ERJ 175. Unfortunately the company was handed to Bombardier who had the CRJ in development and the FJX was binned.

@alexandermathar7780 9 ай бұрын

Bombardier should bring them back as an electric plane.

@michelbeauloye4269 Жыл бұрын

By the way, the venerable Skyvan is still extensively used in skydive paratroop operations in many parts of the world.

@macjim Жыл бұрын

Surly the EE Canberra was the first ‘British built’ after the Spitfire, Rhuairidh?

@priceyA320 Жыл бұрын

Designed yes, however the B-57 as the American version was known was built in Maryland in the good ol’ US of A.

@markbooth1117 Жыл бұрын

A shed with wings.

@user-gi3or8sc7q Жыл бұрын

Hellfire Man, gobble, gobbble,gobble

@paleoph6168 Жыл бұрын

A related aircraft - the Shorts SC.7 Skyvan - was featured in the movie Rio (2011).

@ludwigtails Жыл бұрын

Mannnnn you should’ve done the a video about the PEP.

@artoismta Жыл бұрын

Who else do you know uploads their videos at 8:00an sharp?

@AndrewG1989 Жыл бұрын

Where these aircraft so reliable since they were built. And were they also designed to withstand any impact.

@DaraM73 Жыл бұрын

You forgot about the Argentinian Junta, (CIA backed) who dispatched suspected opposition individuals into the sea, from the cargo door of 330’s. So let’s remember “the disappeared”. One aircraft still exists, last based in Florida. I’d like to see it returned to Belfast as a memorial display in the Ulster Folk & Transport Museum.

@johnnunn8688 Жыл бұрын

I worked on the Skyvan and it had PT6 engines?

@macjim Жыл бұрын

It’s a Short video this week 🥸

@Suprahampton Жыл бұрын

Get out.....>>>>>>

@egpx Жыл бұрын

🟥 Red Card…

@richardwillson101 Жыл бұрын

🤣 love it!

@markparry63 Жыл бұрын

You said it was the first British aircraft to fly for the USAF since the Spitfire? What about the Canberra?

@nopenotme6369 Жыл бұрын

The engineers converted the USAF airframes from “metric” to “standard”, maybe that makes it different enough to make Ruairidh’s statement true. 🤔😏

@DrivermanO Жыл бұрын

The Mosquito was also used by the USAAF. But he did say British built, not British - I think all the USAF Canberras were US built under licence by Martins.

@markparry63 Жыл бұрын

@@DrivermanO I think he meant British designed as were an aircraft is assembled does not alter the fact it was a British concept. Just a slip of the tongue.

@markparry63 Жыл бұрын

@@astafford8865 Shorts are in Northern Ireland therefore British.

@Agislife1960 13 күн бұрын

The current problem with the operation of Shorts aircraft is the availability of parts, which is nonexistent

@Psycho9263 Ай бұрын

Paint it orange and you have a flying school bus.

@burntnougat5341 Жыл бұрын

Skyvan... Airbus I see which country was in charge of naming the European aerospace conglomerate. It certainly wasn't the French or Germans!

@macjim Жыл бұрын

Yes, the early skyvans fell Short in performance 🥸

@charlesrousseau6837 Жыл бұрын

I wonder whether the voiceover is some sort of AI-generated tune as obviously all sentences are glued together into one giant blur.

@Patmac74 Жыл бұрын

Ah, the vomit comet..... Flying into LBA in the 80s and early 90s.....

@CentralGamer765 5 ай бұрын

Who let the DHC-6 twin otter consume drugs💀

@cellpat2686 9 ай бұрын

One of the ugliest aircraft but that's where its charm lies. A company in Europe uses a small fleet of these for skydiving, All with funny big grins painted on them. A simple practical design which will fly on for a long time. Thanks Ruaridh, one good short on the Shorts' planes.

@neilturner6749 Жыл бұрын

Very Confused here Ruairidh - what have the CAB got to do with US Feederliner size regulations? Did you just mean the FAA rather than the CAB or was that whole storyline a research error? Thanks

@jaysmith1408 Жыл бұрын

CAB predates the FAA

@drstevenrey 7 ай бұрын

Unpressurized. Can we make perfectly clear that within Europe: Holland, Belgium, Denmark, Northern Germany, Northern France, Southern Italy (but you can't get there) and that was it. Everywhere else, please bugger off with this thing.

@maxant4285 Жыл бұрын

1973 all crisis

@pavelavietor1 Жыл бұрын

AMERICA IS A CONTINENT NO A COUNTRY 😂😂 YOU CONFUSE THE USA FOR A CONTINENT NAMED BY THE KINGDOM OF SPAIN IN HONOR OF AMÉRICO VESPUCCI 😂😂. SALUDOS, I WORK ON THE 360 AT ATL. THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES ❤

@oxcart4172 Жыл бұрын

Shorts seemed incapable of building a good-looking aircraft!

@neiloflongbeck5705 Жыл бұрын

The Flying Boxcar was the Fairchild C-119. Where do you do your research?

@flemmingsorensen5470 Жыл бұрын

No need to be rude.... How many fantastic videos have you produced so far?

@neiloflongbeck5705 Жыл бұрын

@@flemmingsorensen5470 when some sets themselves up as an expect and then makes basic errors in their research as our presenter does in most videos then I have to question his abilities as a researcher. In the previous video he described a building as Grade Listed in his opening commentary. There is nothing in the UK called Grade Listed. There are grades of Listing such as I, II and II*. Either it's poor research or poor scripting. If this offends you, then I don't care.

@smorris12 Жыл бұрын

@@neiloflongbeck5705 But, generically, buildings are regularly referred to as "listed" without specifying which level. If someone wants to call that "grade listed", that's their choice.

@neiloflongbeck5705 Жыл бұрын

@@smorris12 except for the fact that it is wrong. As wrong as giving the wrong nickname to an aircraft. Which is the point I'm making.

@flemmingsorensen5470 Жыл бұрын

@@neiloflongbeck5705 You do realize, that you dont have to watch these videos? You can indeed move on, to something that puts you back into your "happy place" ?