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@@ghost.rdr2 lol

*Picking* off your neighbors.

That’s just in humane lol

Thumbtacks

Thank you for the good laugh!

LEGO not LEGOS jk lol

@@5yearsago5yearsago29 he's talking about more than one of them

Sawtooth Curruthers the pdx is a slug with three 00 balls behind it. Hence the grouping. I use them in my home defense shotgun.

@Kenjamin Slutton Yeah no shit. Anyone can. But to lay 3 slugs on top of each other is pretty impressive. 12 gauge was my first gun at 11 years old, it took me until 16 years old and thousands of rounds to fully stop flinching.

@Kenjamin Slutton huh?

Semi autos help

Not really if you reload. With factory shoulder breakers yes that's good.

Cruiser ready baby :P

I've consistently hit my rifle plates with a 20" maverick 88 and 1oz slugs with just a bead at 75 yards for years. I have no doubt on a torso-sized target it'll be plenty at 100 yards, and I can't forsee any civilian self defense shooting I might be involved in from my home extending further than a football field.

yes,i agree,also,protect your house from a horde of rats,if you use a marble or peppercorn buckshoots,because all the projectille is spreading and,the rat hordes are so scared of me

If the food is birds, sure. There really isn't much that isn't being killed with 5.56mm or 7.62x39mm which is gonna offer a TON of pros over the shotgun...for no cons except it aint gonna drop ducks. Its lighter, its easier to shoot well, it outranges it, its a million times faster to reload, etc etc

@@joelodjick230 wrong I hate when yall ar15 fan boys come and try to shove your ar15 and try to tak the place of a shotgun and say 55.6 7.62x39 is the best all around weapon LOL get real! the ar15 is limited and you cant kill crap in the woods with it (big game) unless you get lucky with a head shot,no one hunts birds with it stop lien.and who cares if its lighter and holds more yall bring that same old argument and what TON of pros ar15 is not versatile in ANY Way WHATSOEVER shotgun is the most versatile gun one can get for any and all situations ar15 sucks for home defence ,the robber will get hit with 55.6 and still be able to get some rounds off and kill you or go thru the DRY WALL YALL TALK ABOUT SO MUCH AND HIT YOUR FAM .shotgun one shot he is out,i don't have time to use a AR15 AND TICKLE A ENEMY JUST TO GET SHOT OR MY FAMILY KILLED remember a ar15 was meant to wound not kill and I don't care what type of ammo they have now THEY ARE NOT AND NEVER WILL BE A MAN STOPPER OR THE BEST HOME DEFENCE OPTION so fly over to an ar FANBOY channel we are talking shotguns over here

@@aboutmyfathersbusiness6907 LOL

Lol any gun can do that

Yes, he didn't make a five minute speech before going into the subject of the video.

When the video ended, I was like "Huh... there's no fluff..."

Agree fully and subbed for the same reason.

Snugs! I like it 👌.

And you can still get 100 rounds at Walmart for $22.00 or 25 rounds of BB for around $12.00

@@timothyprice9064 how much cost the 25 rounds box ammo of the shotgun?

@@gabirivera1348, I got some 2 3/4 BB for about $12.00 for 25rds

@@gabirivera1348 Depends on what you're looking for.

@@gabirivera1348 you can get 100 rounds of #7 for $22.00

LMAO hahahaha

Hahaha funny

Serjo777 great 👍🏼 point. So which should I use? Rifle , pistol or shotgun?

Very true. I own hundreds of rounds from buck, to steal, ball bearings, slugs, sabots. Fun to shoot but most of those rounds are impractical in my small apartment.

Wtf happened to this comment? It had like 8 thumbs up the last time I saw it xD EDIT: Which wasn't too long ago, hence the surprise on my part.

Lol. Funny.

I would love to see a gun-grabber shoot my 500 with a 1600 fps slug in it.

ptschafer yea i was shooting 12ga slugs 1600fps the other day, my shoulder is tenderized

@@Fister_of_Muppets slugs don't have as much recoil as 00 buck in my experience., not even close. I dunno what it is. Same power loads different recoil same shotty my little 590 Shockwave with a recoil reducing springed pistol grip

@@SkinnySkinch what slugs are you shooting theres a noticable difference when shouldering buck vs slugs, and a good slug should be traveling 200 fps faster then buckshot

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@Mr Sunshines what? All you have said is nonsense, none of it makes sense

@Mr Sunshines bro why are you so triggered by a joke. Do you get upset when someone says that .22 short ratshot is the strongest round in the world and classified as a weapon of mass destruction?

Mr Sunshines this little boy is so triggered

@Mr Sunshines imagine crying about a comment made a year ago, get fucked

Typical off the shelf foster slugs don't actually penetrate very far. It will ruin the first deers day but there is no oomph on the other side. If you find the slug it will look like a lead doughnut or it will have actually broken into pieces. I don't think it's a bad option for home defense unless you miss, but then again everything is a bad option if you miss.

I am curious - would 12ga slug(s) be effective on really big bears ? Grizzly, Polar ? I am guessing hot load + ultra hard-cast slug might have sufficient penetration.

@@xzqzq Absolutely, A heavy Brenneke style slug should be adequate for any game in North America. Something like the Federal vita-shok TruBall deep penetrator is an example of a foster slug which would also work. It's probably not a good ideal to use a soft lead foster slug due to the shallow penetration.

The effects on human tissue might be comparable to a minnie bullet on steroids

I hope you hunt for food and not sport like some insecure assholes do. Animals are people too. Why should they suffer if they don't have to?

YOU be the judge.

The shattered ribs would puncture the lungs

Or start selling them in the 100 round boxes for $22.00

@@timothyprice9064 10 rounds for $20 black ace tactical slugs

@@SuperCortes10 I hate to show my age. I remember when I had to pay $1.00 a round for .50 bmg Back then I thought that was a rip-off. Other than the fact some people will pay those crazy prices there is no reason for ammo to be as high as it has become.

@@timothyprice9064 Wow that’s a steal now 50’s going for $20 or more a round

@@SuperCortes10 In January right outside Fort Bragg NC they were $6.00 per round. Now I know why one of the gunshop owners put his .50bmg up for sale.

Where can you get flight control wads for reloading? Is there a substitute wad for reloading that works as good?

00 is much more proven in confrontations against humans. Is there a downside to using it? I wouldn't worry too much about the noise. The whole auditory exclusion factor is definitely real. I ended up shooting 7 .45s during a shooting and never *heard* the shots. I did hear the suspect's .380 when he opened fire but there was no noticeable hearing loss. No issues controlling the other suspect or radio functions. Other colleges who I know have been involved in shootings report the same thing. I've never been hunting but it's common the hear the hunter say they never hear their shot.

auditory exclusion does not prevent hearing damage.

True.

Why would vision go? When I hit the range my vision never goes, am I missing something?

keep a pair of electronic earpro muffs next to your home defense weapon.

When I was a deputy, one of our officers had a department issued 12ga Remington 870 14" barrel modified choke with rifle sights that would consistently group the Federal LE reduced recoil 00 buck into a group of 6" or less at 40 yards (indoor range). I've seen rifles that couldn't do that well. Outstanding firearm and ammo.

Self defense situations that take place at 75-200yards will be called some degree of murder by the prosecuting attorney, I'd think.

Thanks!

I used to keep mine loaded with steel shot so it wouldn't destroy the house. At that distance, a face full of steel bb or even 2-3 shot is gonna get the job done just as well without the major collateral property damage.

380 or 20 gauge buckshot is what I have to work with. I think both will do fine. My rabbit hunting shotgun when racked is just as scary as any other.

Anyone know what happens if I shoot an intruder and my bullets overpenetrate and hits someone. Idk much about guns I just want to know about the legal process

@@user-fl3qb4eo2l If you kill them pretty sure it's manslaughter hence the phrase. "When you pull that trigger it better be the last resort because you're accepting all consequences. " I have a friend who's in law school. When I go home I kinda want to know too. I'll ask him.

Thank you. I was asking because Im planning on owning a SKS and 7.62*39 rounds penetrate alot more than buckshot

Great for tiolet paper looters

@@mrdiaz2367 lol good one brother

@ im 60 years old, but i remember a time when i was 17. i had some kinda old single shot 12, and a handful of slugs an old farmer gave me. i didnt wanna shoot into a tree but what i did find was an old creosole railroad tie and stand it up. i hit somewhere near the top and i kid you not it went clean through and left a crack the entire length of it. it nearly split it in half. i dont remember exactly what kinda slug it was but i do remember it was 2 3/4. if a standard length slug could do that a 3 or 3 1/2 inch mag slug would be way way way overkill on a person lol

Years ago I purchased a 12 gauge Remington 870 pump shotgun. I used it once in a while to hunt deer in the brush. My customized 30-06. was too long for that type of hunting. While familiarizing myself with my new shotgun my brother in law suggested that I use the 00 odd buck with a slug back up. It worked well. As we had some wild piggys running around the voods at the time. I love that shotgun!!

Can you say, spontaneous decapitation...

Typical 556 rounds will be less deadly after penetration of obstacles such as dry wall in a house than a normal 00 buck shot. Any gun will overpenetrate a bit, but the low mass of a 556 bullet means it loses velocity very quickly after hitting something, unlike conventional buckshot or even pistol rounds. That said, they are still the best for going through body armor. It's not magic, it's just counter intuitive. Look it up if you don't believe me.

Iraqveteran88 does a pretty good piece on this where they set up drywall and the whole deal. 9mm actually penetrates more/farther.

That might be true with .223 Glaser safety slug. They'll punch soft armor and break up in drywall, but they don't penetrate very far in ballistics gel. That said most foster slugs probably won't over penetrate a bad guy if you hit them. If you miss and hit drywall its going to keep going for a little while.

Drywall won't stop any round. The only thing that will stop rifle, pistol, or shotgun rounds in concrete or brick. Rifles and pistols are no more dangerous than a shotgun when concerned about penetration through wood or drywall.

Well your co-worker is correct. the 5.56 round is a low mass but very high velocity projectile. As soon as it hit something it starts to lose its capabilities quickly (tumble or fragment). Using something like a soft point or even varmint ammo speed this effect up. So yes a 5.56 will penetrate body armor but will also go through less walls than a pistol round, or shotgun slug.

Same here, first 00 buck followed with slugs.

If it's a rifled shotgun with sabot slugs, it's likely to penetrate body armor.

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clean up crew will deal with that, not the home owner

@@GlitchTheDeer if you can afford a clean up crew.

@@mrdiaz2367 they'll do it free of charge they'll just charge you for something else

better to clean up there mess than one of your relatives or yourself.

i use buckshoot cartridge for hunting cockroaches,boars,and rats for make them fuck off from my field

The Brenneke 2 3/4 Special Forces load has a hardened lead slug with an hourglass shape if I recall correctly, and it weighs 1 1/4 oz. I believe the Alaska State Police are issued that round for up close and angry encounters with their large bears and moose. Haven't heard of any failure to stop. It is, however, brutal on both ends.

62 grain vs 400 plus grain, I see your point.

That's hard on the wrists.

Love the use of the ess tset

@Travis Thacker Wholeheartedly agree, they make some solid choices at a surprising price that doesn't make you wince at the price.

Moßberg?

Facts lol

Gary Gutierrez Plus, it's less likely to over penetrate, if you have a situation like that, to worry about.

somethin somethin 4:37

My name is JFK And boy i sure fell Oh so gash darn safe In the BACK OF MY AUTOMOBILE

Good question. Let’s ask the meat target!

#4 and BB are my best choices for home defence.

#6 shot

Rho Main I use Hornady to hunt with my 30/30

Okay but you must make sure you DRILL with your load ammo too, and that pushes drill costs up.

The good old days. 🤷‍♂️

@@rationalmind6362 😥

i guess no one watch till the end and catch this?

a hit is a hit, it still counts. had that been a bad guy you would have blown off one leg in addition to hitting him in the upper body.

@gothael1 - he laughed than said "oops".

casbott Good sense of humor, ended with a truth...Well played sir, well played. You'll probably go far in life.👍

Believe it or not, 00 Buck actually has more overpenetation than a .223 round. Ballistically, rifles are by and far the superior choice however for low income households a shotgun is probably the most viable option. (That's what they did back in the day, bought a shotgun and sawed it off into an SBS because it was the best value for your dollar. NFA changed that though, which I could rant about for ages but I'll save that for another time.)

Both will go through interior walls. Some 5.56 rounds might only go through a couple of walls, but one is really all it takes to be a problem. Identifying safe lanes of fire in the home is generally a better strategy than trying to use ammo selection to avoid interior wall penetration. Not sure what Jonathan means by "ballistically superior", but at close range, 00 buckshot is far more effective than 5.56 or any other intermediate rifle cartridge.

As far as stopping power goes (and I hate that term), intermediate caliber rifles perform the best. I believe the FBI says the two most effective are 6.8 SPC and .300 BLK. However ballistics is a piece of the puzzle, not the whole picture. As you covered in your article about your gel shots of 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP ballistics isn't an exact science but an educated guess as to what will happen. Combined with the modularity of most intermediate caliber rifles such as the AR-15 and AK-47, people who have the money are probably better off buying a semi-auto rifle over a shotgun. Everybody is different however, so there really isn't a definitive answer to what the best gun is (it's whichever one you shoot the best). Really, it's up to you personally to determine which is best for you. Find something you're comfortable on and reliably sends lead downrange, train with it extensively. TL;DR Skills over stuff, your capacity to neutralize a threat shouldn't be determined by your gear but by your training and mindset.

shotgun is king inside of 50 yards.

All minutia and technical mumbo jumbo aside, shotgun is like being shot 9ish times at once with pistol caliber rounds, rifle is like being shot once with well... a rifle. Shotgun is still nasty and will certainly get the job done, but rifle does it better. Unless you're super low income and have IMMEDIATE need for a long gun, you're probably better off saving up for a $450+ semi auto rifle. Better ballistics, more modular, more aftermarket options.

You can get stuff right now. Not your pick of the litter, but solid rounds none the less.

@Dogman tossed my salad I haven't seen buckshot at my Walmart in forever. I think the biggest shot you can get in maybe #4. Five round for $8 is horrible. You can tell most people are after defense minded rounds.

@@Polarcupcheck amen. they sell out as fast as they come in

@@robertboreman7672 Yup, and I am frustrated, because I just had a chance to get some for a good price and waited too long. I have slugs, but I wanted to try these ones out. Fucking ammo hoarders just buying 500 rounds at a time. If you need 500 slugs, you probably won't be living long, anyway. All I wanted was 20. I am good on buck shot, and other shot. I ordered those in the past, plus a waterfowl load. They canceled my order two days later.

When Trump is re-elected.

2-3/4 rifled hollow point at 100 yards from an 18" barrel. Hit a hog in the neck and he flat out helicopter spun in a circle straight to the ground. 3" sabots aren't needed.

I am not aware of any .410 ammo that both patterns well and provides adequate penetration for self-defense use.

Lucky Gunner Ammo it would be interesting if you would do a video on it and see what test results you get like you have with 12 gauge I think .410 is very underrated but that's just me, make a video :)

You're not really giving up any velocity or pellet size, only pellet count by going down to a .410 (typically 3 pellets of 000 buck vs 8-9 of 00). But having 15 rounds and potentially quicker follow up shots, could make up for that I guess. As long as it's 100% reliable, I wouldn't feel under gunned with it.

OceanKing6725 with a .410 you actually do lose a decent amount of velocity look at a few chronograph comparisons, at least from what I've seen. and yes the extra capacity from the saiga platform and the lighter recoil I feel makes it the perfect home defense gun at least for me. I'd really like to see some more tests and comparisons

Guess it depends what specific loads you're comparing but something like Winchester Super X in moving pretty quick even in .410, about the same as 12 gauge and it's 000 instead of 00. Now those .410 loads design for revolvers are another story.

Masaad Ayoob recommends #1 but putting a load of almost any shot on target at "inside the house" range is going to take down a perp post haste.

gabriel brack Birdshot is for birds.

gabriel brack I wasn't insulting you with that, just confirming your post.

gabriel brack No worries. Back on topic: there's video of a guy shooting at a cop with a Judge loaded with birdshot. Might as well have been shooting a blank gun.

#4 is my choice as well. Passes FBI penetration testing and is less likely to fly into the neighbors...

pali-ak47 Birdshot waxers for me. Maximum lethality. Zero collateral.

This is a very good idea because it offers lethality with no over penetration or spread, good thinking.

I would hesitate using home modified ammunition that no factory makes as a self defense load. Using modified ammunition might show intent to a nefarious or ignorant lawyer/judge. Other than quality control and legality it does seem like a decent home defense load though. I'll stick with 9mm, soft point .223 and buck shot myself. EDIT: If anyone know of any cases for or against it I would love to hear about em.

thirdcoastboy I don't know man, I think it would be quite easy to cite waxers as a hunting purpose round. Plus I'm not sure that the wax would be possible to show after the round has hit the target, due to the kinetic energy which would evaporate the wax. Good thinking though, better safe than sorry.

That's the point. Stay out people's homes if they don't want to run that risk.

In that case you don't shoot at the enemy soldier, shoot at his: rifle; canteen, ammo/pistol pouch, helmet; belt buckle; ... get the picture..... that's what our DS's told us about shooting .50 cal, white phosphorus, etc... at troops. There's away around most things....

Shotguns are essentially meat grinders. A single buckshot can make someone lose an arm, leg, or head or open their rib cages, backs up. A shotgun is one of the nastiest guns to get shot with. Survival rate are low too.

Anthony Coffey Slugs from Russia.