Need to acknowledge that America didn't disappear, she crushed it in Superstore

Love Kelsey sm, but the idea that people who have acted in more high-profile movies deserve an Oscar if they've never won before (instead of a newbie) is 100% why the Oscars have lost their magic. The best performance of the year deserves to win THAT year - that's it!

There’s no chance he’ll read this lol but I feel so compelled to give Zach a huge appreciation for his takes throughout the podcast. As an Indigenous person and Latina, it was very disappointing to see that Margot and Greta not getting nominated completely overshadowed the Oscar’s discourse and didn’t allow us to celebrate Lily Gladstone and America Ferrera’s nominations. It was such a pleasure to see so many BIPOC people nominated across the board who truly deserved it. Not saying Greta and Margot weren’t great, but they were not the best, and they’ll definitely have more opportunities to be nominated and win an Oscar. I understand Kelsey wanting awards to be given to people who’ve been in the industry for a longer time, but we cannot deny people an award just because they’re new if there’s a high likelihood that BIPOC folks will never get nominated or get another huge role again. If it is suggested that the Oscars not be so quick to give awards to new nominees, then there has to be as much energy put into reducing barriers for BIPOC people in the industry. And ironically for me, while I did enjoy the Barbie movie, the lack of an intersectional feminist lens in the movie was the same thing I saw reflected in society during all the Oscars’ conversations. So thank you Zach, from one of your day 1 fans 💚

CONGRATULATIONS TO GARRICK! Such a good writer to have on ‘Rick and Morty’.

Hot take but Kelsey's give it to the veteran schpiel is low key the attitude that keeps a lot of BIPOC from winning awards. It's hard enough for BIPOC to get in the room in the first place and now you're saying they have to be veterans to win (when even then that wont get you the win i.e. Angela Bassett).

I think the thing that’s missing from the Past Lives conversation is that it is, above everything else, the story of being an immigrant and how that changes you as a person. The movie is really just about her wrestling between who she is and who she could have been. That’s part of what makes it so heartbreaking. Not necessarily just her relationship with her childhood best friend.

Oh so relieved for Zach’s take on this because I personally became more and more enraged as the upset overshadowed all the other triumphs this Oscar season.

I completely agree with Zach, Margot got nominated as a producer & Greta Gerwig got nominated as a writer & that’s more appropriate than actor & director noms. I thought when Ryan released a statement, it took away from those amazing accomplishments they still achieved!

the whole editors bit of Jonathan checking if Francesca Scorsese still follows him.... I died hahahaha

17:23 ZACH! American ferrera didn’t disappear for a decade! She was on superstore which was hilarious

Most Likely To Win An Oscar: - Lily Gladstone - Garrick Bernard

I think Zach's point of the Barbie nominations and the fact that the directors are against other directors, and Margot being against other actors, and maybe they were #6, but its the top 5 that make it to the Oscars is so important!

I completely agree with Zach in terms of the Greta and Margot outrage. Ryan's performance in the Barbie movie was so obviously more outstanding than Margot's, and even though she was more pivotal to the movie, her performance just wasn't compelling enough to be Oscar-worthy. Those who are upset about Margot and Greta not getting nominated are completely ignoring the fact that this year is an incredible year for women in movies, especially women of color. Just because the movie that is specifically about feminism didn't get nominated for as many awards as people would've liked shouldn't discredit the fact that this was an extremely successful year for feminism in general.

I am totally with Zach in this one, it's not that Greta and Margot were not good in Barbie they were bested by other directors and actresses in those categories.

One question for Kelsey, did you think Oppenheimer was a movie about the bomb, or about the actual scientist himself? That definitely changes things. I have heard a few people saying it was TOO long because they were expecting a story about the creation of the bomb, but it wasn't. The movie was literally about the guy, the bomb was just part of his life story. Just my two cents.

can you guys PLEASEEEEE do Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants (I ABSOLUTELY LOVE that movie and America Ferrera in it)

“I don’t really care about the third act of Oppenheimer” is such an American thing to say. Is giving: let me watch the bomb and not the consequences.

America Ferrera’s first role ever was in Real Women Have Curves (an absolutely beautiful film) and then of course Disney’s Gotta Kick It Up. She’s BEEN that girl.

Jonathans summary of all of us strangers makes it sound WAY better than i thought the trailers made it seem like he was lying to his boyfriend about his parents being dead

The way I feel so proud of Garrick is almost parasocial 😂 but like as a fellow lifelong awkward nerd, it really warms my heart to see his nerdy dreams coming true AND being a huge career landmark!! GO GARRICK!!!

Nice to see Eugene’s Stepdad in the studio. Eugene and Jonathan in one episode plz

tbh i agree with zack about the barbie nomination discourse, BIG ON THE CAR COMMERCIAL PART. ALSO need rainie and jonathan together, we need chaos ❤

Kelsey wants to award for a body of work and not for the best performance of the year, and that is a major problem with the Academy right now.

KELSEY HOW DARE YOU PAST LIVES IS SUCH A WONDERFUL FILM!!!!!

society of the snow is one of the best films i’ve ever SEEN! Zach you NEED to watch it, the sound design should’ve been nominated for this and you’ll see why when you watch. Absolutely amazing film

Huge congrats to Garrick for Rick and Morty! Completely agree with Zach on the Barbie Oscar noms. Good film, but it got the nominations it deserved! As you tried to say, the point of Film awards should be celebrating good movies, not films that are commercial successes! (Oppenheimer was a FANTASTIC film, I disagree with Kelsey sorry). Huge Kudos to Zach for also bringing up the role of film in highlighting current social and geopolitical issues🙏 Oh, and thanks Jonathan for saying how boring Napoleon was!

So glad we started with that, because more people need to have Zach's take 💖

I really need a whole episode on The Iron Claw and how underrated it is.

I mean, I was honestly equally pissed off by Céline Song not nominated as director and Greta Lee (or any of the other cast members) for Best Actress on ‘Past Lives’.

OMG!!! Congratulations Garrick!!! My mouth literally dropped!

YAY! At first I was so bummed that y'all would be talking about Barbie without Garrick, but SUPER EXCITED that's it's for such a cool reason.

yes this is cillian's first nomination but like giamatti he's been doing incredible work for years. i think they're both the same in terms of "the narrative". it should go to who had the best performance which imo was cillian

THE RAINIE SLANDER WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

Congratulations Garrick🥳❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥 love your work in the Solar Opposites and Single Drunk Female!!

Woooof. Kelsey was so frustrating in the Barbie discussion

Pleaseeee make a podcast about POOR THINGS

I love that y'all are coming out of the gate right for the throat, but I especially love both of your individual takes. You both have great points and I love you for it. ITS OSCARS WEEK BABYYY

Hi Jonathan! Love the cameo. Miss you Rainie! Would have loved your take on this one!

Barbie was more a story and production triumphant (convincing Mattel to be on board with the thesis statement of the film is a gargantuan task). The story is novel, the direction isn't Greta's best tbh, Margot had done more craftmanship-level acting.

Kelsey fighting with a plastic plant while Zach is talking. That's it. That's the vibe. And loved seeing a Jonathan appearance! Congrats to Garrick! Love Rick and Morty. I look forward to catching the episode he's writing for! And another congrats to Eugene. So many great things happening for everyone!

I feel like Jab We Met will be such a perfect movie for the podcast!

Thank you Zach for perfectly stating my thoughts on the Barbie nominations outrage! Couldn't have said it better :)

So happy to intersect this podcast after watching 3 of the most talked off entries (op, barbie, poor things + past lives) Just one slight note ... I would love to hear Garrick's thoughts!!

Y'all should give all of the internationals a shot, they're all stellar

Please do an ep on lost city bc Sandra bullock and Channing Tatum were so funny and so serious and unserious

So funny, I'm usually of the opposite opinion from Zach, but this episode he seems to be taking the thoughts out of my head 😂 I enjoyed Oppenheimer and think it is indeed the better movie, but I am SO glad Barbie was as bright and colorful as it was, instead of all dark and Nolan-y!

18:41 no, Kelsey, Lily Gladstone won't get to veteran status cause POC don't get offered Oscar worthy parts like their white counterparts, which is exactly why winning now matters!!

The fact Zach missed a chance to sing take you granted like Gosling when talking about Wes Anderson is mind blowing.

I saw ACOTAR on the table and now I just wanna know Kelsey’s review on that

54:35 Zac is right! A guy I was hooking up with put Asteroid City on in the background and I literally got distracted because of how amazing it was and then when I got home I watched it again, just cause I needed to see the whole thing!

Here's the thing about RDJ. We ALL know he should have won for Iron man back in the day but the snooty old judges generally ignore science fiction, comedy, horror and fantasy films. If you look 90 percent of the movies that get nominated are dramas. Return of the king only won because of HUGE pressure from fans when they dissed the other films in the series. This is why viewership of the awards is going down every year. Honestly I generally haven't heard of or are bored to death by half the movies that get nominated. I'd rather go by the rotten tomatoes score or imdb because that's how many real people liked the movie. I mean think about it what dramas do you remember from the 80s? I bet you remember aliens and ghostbusters though.

re: barbie- exactly zach!!!!

I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS SINCE BARBIE CAME OUT 😭😭

American fiction is incredible. It’s funny, heartwarming at times, heart wrenching at other, and so so witty. Really parallels the stereotype of black stories with what could be a real black story. Beautiful

PLEASE do an episode on Kangaroo Jack I beg you!! It was one of my favorites growing up and everyone I ask these days haven't seen it and it honestly deserves so much better.

41:06 WAVES!!!! 🌊 Omg that movie broke me open, such a heartbreaker ❤️‍🩹

It was hard to concentrate on the first 5 mins of this because I was too busy being jealous of Zach’s Benito sweater 😭😂🖤

No, I loved Barbie as much as the next woman but it already won the world stage with the box office win. I’m happy for America and think she deserves her win but Lily Gladstone deserves her moment in the sun for best lead more than Margot

hot take: barbie is a good movie but people make it better than what it is because what it means for them. it is so difficult to explain but watching the film from a different perspective of feminism, patriarchy and writing - it is just a movie that was okay. it doesn't feel like a film but rather a long theme with random characters populating it.

Okay also where was the love for Priscilla? That movie and Sofia Coppola was so good Movies that were largely snubbed this year that were so good: -Priscilla -Society of the Snow -All of Us Strangers -Iron Claw -Perfect Days -Origin

In the Barbie discourse, people aren’t acknowledging that the Oscars routinely disfavors both comedies and box office hits. It was impressive that Ryan and America got the nominations. Also, when people talk about the movie Amadeus, they don’t talk about Mozart, they talk about Salieri. Because he was the most interesting and unique part of that movie, like Ryan in Barbie.

44:56 Jonathan’s edit 😂😂

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here for Zach's Wes Anderson rant

I'm not really a movie person and I've never been interested in the oscars. but damn I guess I gotta go watch some of these movies now because sour analysis of what makes them so great makes them sound amazing

6:40 1000% agreed, thank you. Margot Robbie was good in the movie, but her performance was not of "best actress" quality.

JUSTINE TRIET FOR THE WIN!!! Thank you Zach! I’m prepared to flip cars if she doesn’t win.

44:53 omy sorry jonathan 😂

I'm just gonna leave here a shout-out to "Perfect Days" in the best internation feature category! It's a heartwarming film about an old man who cleans Tokyo's toilets and honestly, I just really want to see Wim Wenders win an Oscar!!💗

I so appreciate the Killer’s of a Flower Moon note from Zach! The book is in the perspective of Molly and the victims, and the storyline is so much more interesting when told from her view. Side note: this actually took place 10 min from my home town and I never learned about it until 10 years after I moved out of Oklahoma and read the book. Definitely a story that needed to be told, just wish the film wasn’t in the white man’s perspective.

I would take out Annette Bening and still not nominate Margot Robbie, I’d put in Greta Lee or Fantasia Barrino

Actually, everyone was spitting facts this episode, i have no disagreement. I hope yall have seen dune 2 because I NEED to hear your discussion about it

I also agree with Zach completely

Thank you for including Palestine in your discussion about Zone of Interest, I’m hoping to see the movie this weekend in theatres! It’s so important to take historical movies and put them into modern day perspectives, I think that’s the whole point of movies in general, bringing them into the real world in some way. Appreciated hearing you guys talk about it. I would like to add my two cents about Barbie, when I saw the nominations I initially had the reaction that Kelsey had, and honestly I’m not a movie buff and Barbie is one of the only movies I’ve seen on the Oscar list, but I do think that being so obbsessed with Greta and Margot not getting the “correct” nominations is a very white feminist take on the issue and it’s something I’ve had to correct myself on. I also feel like Barbie isn’t even that feminist of a movie. Don’t get me wrong I loved the movie so much but the whole point is that Barbie and Ken’s, Women and Men, can’t exist in a world where one has more sway over the other, and THAT makes it a feminist movie because it’s about equality of the sexes but I get annoyed when people think the movie is only about Barbie and Women only because they think that feminism is about lifting women over men when that isn’t true. So yea I had to get over it and admit to myself that Ryan Gosling did do a better job than Margot Robbie and that’s okay!! I was lowkey holding my breath and super apprehensive when Zach was giving his opinion but I honestly agree with what he had to say. However, I would’ve like some commentary on how Barbie was treated at the Golden Globes. I look forward to this podcast episode every year even if I haven’t seen all the movies and would love a part 2 with Rainie and Garrick!!

Its so weird listening to this after the oscars and them not knowing the results

I have 3 book reviewing accounts and a Letterboxd account. It’s a lot to write and process.

I love Barbie but I agree with Zach bc I hate that America’s nomination is ignored bc of people focusing on Margot and Greta.

I get that the Oscars is about ~the art of film~ but Hollywood/city people cannot continue acting surprised by outrage about nominations when they don't deem their ~art~ worthy enough to be seen by everyone. I live in a town of 20,000 people with 6 movie theaters within an hour of here. Poor Things played in 1 theater, once a day, for 2 weeks. Zone of Interest, Past Lives, and Anatomy of a Fall didn't play ANYWHERE. So why should we care about those films if we weren't given the chance to appreciate them???

Question: When did they actually talk about Lily Gladstone? Killers of the Flower Moon and Lily were barely talked about during this.

Let record show i need yall to do Lisa Frankenstein so so bad

I loved Asteroid City but I did watch it high the first time and that alien jump scare messed me up for the rest of the night

42:22 justice for snoop! He carried that movie on his back, I wouldn’t have made it through that movie if it wasn’t for that good boy 🐶

i agree kelsey ballad of songbirds and snakes should have been nominated, at very least for music!! i thought rachel was fantastic

I liked Robbie’s acting but for me she didn’t disappear into the role. Neither did Tyra Banks in Life-Size. They’re fun roles but not necessarily good enough for an Oscar.

Jonathan! Hell yeah ❤ 1:50

all of us strangers fr changed me

Most helpful episode of the year! Please keep doing this!

31:19 "He made a great movie that mattered to a lot of people." is an interesting argument FOR Oppenheimer but not other movies on the list, Zach...

american fiction director also wrote for the good place and succession

I truly don't get the Poor Things love. I thought it was bad film. And I thought that Mark Ruffalo was the worst part with genuinely bad acting.

Oppenheimer wanted to be twin peaks season 3 so bad

I desperately need dune 2 as soon as humanly possible

Can someone help me find Kelsey’s sweater???

Dang I was hoping for Dune Part 2 because I have THOUGHTS

this is my superbowl

when u say barbie was saved by greta, it was saved by her writing not the direction

Monster was snubbed from best international feature‼️

I wish they had saved the Oscar discussion for a separate episode and just talked about Barbie here

Yall should watch 2005 Pride and Prejudice

Haha more Oscar episode with Rick when he isn’t fulfilling a childhood dream and needing to change a tire??? Please?? These episodes are so fun and I hate that he missed it