I have been a mechanic for over 40 years. It really depends on what a person is doing. If you have a load and are traveling in mountainous areas, you really need the power a diesel provides. Diesel fuel is generally more expensive. Diesel engines generally go more miles than a gasoline engine.

US EPA and the horsepower race between the big 3 wrecked the spirit of diesel. Take me back to the day when diesels we're not fast, didn't have 9000 emission controls, got 20+ mpg and as reliable as the sun rising. Enough torque to pull.

I drove school busses for a few years including Ford V8 diesel, International diesel, GM diesel, Caterpillar Diesel, and Cummins diesel. The most reliable by far was the Cummins with the Alison transmission, until the DEF system came in. We had a lot of problems after that with having to stop in the middle of a route to let the engine regenerate. Nothing like being stuck on the side of the road for 20 minutes with 50 screaming kids! Now they've switched to direct injection LPG busses which are wonderful.

I appreciate this ‘automotive series’ ! Thanks Bob and crew!

I appreciate you covering this topic. You answered many questions I have since I am currently searching for a van. Once again, thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge.

You are the only channel I think that ! Tells the real life stuff ! I love love love your tours and your stories you tape ! Inspire me ! Ty for being who y’all are and what y’all do ! Ty

You explained that very well. I’m grateful you educated me on the matter because I wasn’t sure which way to go. Thanks to you, I’m very sure now that I want a gas powered RV.

One of my favorites of your videos. Love how you voice your opinions. I can't imagine how anyone can be offended. You are a model for me of how to do it. Also thanks so much for the content. I was debating what to buy and so glad to understand why gas would be better for me. As usual, Thanks.

I had a 2004 Silverado with the Duramax and Allison. I towed a couple different 5th wheels with it. Loved that truck and kick myself for getting rid of it. Good video.

I so needed this video. I have a 2015 Toyota Tundra with a Kimbo camper and have often gone back and forth about Diesel vs. Gas. I had no clue about adding DEF to diesels. Liked Bob's insight and opinion and explanations. Yes, people are very partial or loyal to brands!!

You are Correct Bob, thanks. I bought a van and I’m gonna move in at the end of summer. I wouldn’t have had the courage to do it without your videos. I’m gonna miss your videos. I hope you still make them occasionally. At the very least to catch up with how you are doing. Take care Buddy. You got a great home on wheels.

I’ve done lots of research and you are spot on and completely correct

99-2003 7.3 power stroke turbo Ford is the best all around for dependability. Motor, trans etc. Period my humble opinion. Js ✌️💯

Thanks for sharing Bob😊

Very interesting video! Thanks for explaining Diesel!

It's so amazing to hear facts!!!!! Honesty is so beautiful!

I definitely learned something new this day. Thank you.

Looks like a beautiful day there in Flagstaff.

Thanks, Bob! Great info.

You got it all right with your truck ratings! 🚚 😀

You are such a good, ethical person. I am privileged to know you.

I always appreciate how you are honest with your reviews, Knowing you may get static from some of the viewers😜

I'm a diesel fan, but I'm SOOOO glad you aren't afraid to say you prefer gasoline. In the end, it's all to personal preference, and a few things affect that. I prefer diesel because I'm used to it, but it would make no difference for me to have a gas engine. Of course, I can also rebuild any engine in a few hours, so I wouldn't care if it burned baby penguins. If I can rebuild it, I don't care what it burns. You can get 1,000,000 miles out of a gas engine just like you can get a million miles out of a diesel engine. Gas puts out the same exhaust, but it gets captured in the cat converter and other parts of the exhaust. Do you know how exhaust systems on cars are recycled? Everything is burned off. It's like the regen system on trucks back in the days; they work by burning off all the particulates that collect in that system. Also, far more deaths by vehicle accidents come from gas burning vehicles, far more deaths from accidents than the deaths related to diesel exhaust. Anyhow, if you're willing to put in the work, any engine will last forever. I just changed the timing chain and basically every sensor as well as the solenoids in the transmission on my mom's 2000 Durango and it runs like new. It's around 240,000 miles now and will likely go another 240,000 miles before I need to do any major repairs, and I will, and it will go another 240,000 miles. My 2000 Frieghtliner bus I live in will do the same. It's only around 160,000 miles. a baby basically, but I've already had to rebuild it due to blowby. You know how much it cost me? About $700 in tools (that I'll always have) and parts. If you' can't do it yourself, yes, it will cost you at least $5,000 on average for a rebuild. If that cost is too much for you, well, avoid a diesel engine. Does it mean you won't have those costs with gas engines? Nope. In fact, you might pay far more for repairs with gas engines... if you don't know how to do the work. So, should you buy a gas or diesel engine? Yes. You can't truly learn what works best for you in particular unless you actually do it yourself. By the way, you should see the pollution from all the packaging for jugs of DEF. If you care about particulates, you need to be reusing your DEF jugs instead of discarding them. Also, in limp mode, you might want to edit your video. No, you can't "limp home on the side of the road" because that's basically you saying to people to drive on the shoulder or in the ditch. That's illegal in all states. You can pull over and stop on a shoulder or ditch, but you can't drive down them for any reason. It's highly illegal, so even though any reasonable person wouldn't assume you were "suggesting" it, you might want to put some kind of disclaimer on that statement because, you know, there's someone that would do something stupid and then blame you in court. Do NOT drive down the shoulder of any roadway for any reason UNLESS that shoulder doubles as a drivable lane at a certain point of the say as some areas do. In those cases, it's well marked.

Very timely video

you sir are a brave brave man for taking on the ford and dodge comenters in the same video, and I am totally here for it.

I think your analysis is spot on across the spectrum of brands you mentioned. I am keeping an eye on the newer Ford 7.3 liter Godzilla gas to get closer to diesel performance with all the benefits of gas. I think Allison has a hand in making their 10 speed tranny as well, so it seems to be the best of all worlds. So far people seem to love them from what I hear and read. Enjoy your duramax :)

Thanks for your insight! You hit on many valuable pointers. I have a 2018 Ram 350 with diesel engine. I really like the engine. There have been about 4 factory recalls on my truck so far. They were not on the engine so there you go. I enjoy your videos a lot. Safe travels!

I'm a retired truck driver and agree with you on all these points.

Thanks for the info. A reason for doing so well on mountain roads may be the stability installed because it’s an ambulance, plus the diesel power.

Great video Bob 👍

Good morning from Godley Texas, great review. Everyone believes they have the best set-up, thus goes the world. Stay safe and happy travels 😎

LOL! I just bought a 1995 Ford E450 shuttle bus with the 7.3L turbo diesel. Going uphill for long distances is a real chore. My new mantra is don't be in a hurry to get anywhere. 😂

We shouldn't need a NANNY to be Responsible to Others over our own greed and need to be Clean and be Honeat. But alas...." ...some people..." As a automotive tech, I never chose a diesel for reasons you stated so well. But I'd like to add. Fossil Fuels Kills. It's kills during extraction. It kills during transportation. It kills when it's stored. It kills when it's refined. It kills when it's burned. And it kills when it creates yet another war for possession.

My opinion for a gas engine is GM. 6.0 366 ci , it has been around for years . As an older person , I can’t afford the repair costs of Diesel engines , there never cheap .

The main advantage of diesel engines is low RPM torque. But modern 6 to 10 speed transmissions keep engines gas engines at their optimal power band. I have a RAM Pentastar 3.6 which is a strong reliable engine that is cheaper to maintain, easy to change the oil myself. Diesels are yesterday.

You get involved in a vehicle fire you WILL wish it to be a diesel..modern engines are so efficient...but everyone to their own..you are very Good to view..Thank you..

This guy is SPOT ON about all the Diesel drawbacks. Cold starts, guys in Minnesota can attest to this LOL.

I own a 7.3 power stroke and love the duramax, quiet, powerful, and coupled to the Allison is a great combo

Great video Bob, and you are correct, the Cummins Diesel is a great engine but the Duromax Diesel is as good if not better and the Allyson transmission is the best trans made, I would also never own a ford.

Thx CRVL for an informative and entertaining video I like you am a LML owner FWIW mine is a DC DRW 4x4 Sierra '15 MY which I have owned since ordering and talking delivery in 5/14 currently it has 74k miles and has been relatively trouble free except for tge comon upper pan gasket leak at 2k miles warranted repair and reductant DEF fluid tsnk heater replacement at approximately 50k miles and 9th external injector at 73k miles replaced under my Platinum GM warranty which is in effect til '24 or 125k miles. This truck was purchased to replace my '05 LLY CCSB 2500 Silversdo 4x4 thst I purchased new to pull a 12k # 35' 5th wheel TH. I upgrded this truck with Banks Power pack w Ottomind tuner, speed brake, and high flow intercooler, ram air intake and exhaust system and a AFE turbo inlet adaptor and Fass lift pmp. These mods netted a 2 sec reduction in the 0-60 time for the truck. When we upgrded to a 40' 18k# Goose Neck Toyhauler I replaced this truck which had been trouble free for 170k mikes with about 30% towing in mountains and deserts of the Western US. Having worked on Cummins, Detroit, & Cat engines in the Navy and for a Cat truck dlr on '70s I am familiar dsl engines and agree with your opinion but wanted to clarify some descriptions you gave. (1)The DEF system is used to reduce the NOX (oxides of nitrogen) that are a known carcinogen from the exhaut via Selective Catalyst Reactor (SCR) and have nothing to do with the DPF which is downstream of the SCR and traps carbon particulates which accumulates in the filter until passively removed by elevated exhaust tempersture (engine working hard) or actively with fuel enhanced exhaust tempersture to maintain 1100deg F temp adequate to reduce back pressue in the DPF to minimum levels. (2) Unfortunately the ULSF you mentioned which was mandated by the EPA in '07 has reduced lubricity compared with conventional diesel fuels which has caused increased wear in the High Pressure Fuel Pumps (HPFP) as the EPA and API have not maintained monitoring of the lubrication additive packages that DSL fuel providers are supoosed to be using to reduce or eliminate the excessive wear characteristic of the ULSF. As a result diesel engine components not designed for ULSF without lubrication additive packages are failing prematurely and as result costing 10s of $1ks to repair as the entire fuel system is contaminated and needs to be replaced. All 3 domestic truck manufactures have diesel PUs that are effected but GM and Ram have made steps to reduce the risk to their customers vehicles with GM in '17 MY L5P D'max switch from Bosch failure prone CP4 HPFP to Denso Fuel Injection system which had proven reliability in Volvo and Toyota dsl applications. Ram had recently changed to the failure prone Bosch CP4 in '18 MY PUs and have recently recalled these trucks to retrofit to the Bosch CP3 HPFP which is constructed of more wear resistant materials and has proven history of reliability compared with the CP4 HPCF. Ford is the only domestic PU diesel truck manufacturer to continue to use the failure prone CP4 HPFP. It should be noted that both Ford and Rsm use lift pumps to provide pressurized fuel to the Bosch CP4 which GM did not do on the LMM D'max engines which can contribute to HPFP failure if the low pressure system develops air leaks or fuel delivery issues (plugged fuel filter or strainer) I would consider a FASS or AirDog lift pump for your LML well spent money especially when AGM has a Class Action Lawsuit for not equipped to protect the Bosch CP4 YMMV Happy Csmping.

Bob you are mostly right 👍🏼👍🏼, Allison trans are good ones even in semis, Cummins are supposed to last pretty long time, with good maintanance. I believe diesel is giving around 30% more mpg than similar gas engines, but the maintanance cost are badly. Good on freeway but really boring in cities, from red light to red light. For one pulling heavy loads are the only option, due to high torque and fuel consumption 👍🏼

You're 100% right about the Ford. I had a 2008 6.4 that didn't even have 150k miles, and though maintained by the book, it dropped a lifter and they wanted $15k to fix it! I sold the truck for salvage and took that $15k and bought a 35" National Tropical Class A motorhome. I've been FTing in it for the last 3 years with no problems from that 6.8 gas V-10 whatsoever.

I have 2001 Dodge Ram 3500 5.9 Cummins. Towed 14k entire life. 800k miles. 16 mpg all day long. Still using it.No DEF.

Great topic. I'm curious, what MPG on the highway do you get with your ambulance? Also, how many miles does your DEF last? Thank you.

Good topic 👍

Thank you Bob... That answers a lot of questions... Very interesting. I will stick with gas.

Bravo! Thank you.

As a European, it is fascinating to hear Bob’s (US) perspective on Gas vs Diesel debate. Sounds like vested corporate interests over there (over many years) has created a real pickle. But interestingly what Bob has in fact done brilliantly is argue the case (almost point by point) not so much for Gas vs Diesel, but for the coming generation of Electric vehicles (such as the new Ford F150 Lightning) over both dinosaur juice variants. OK I know it’s not going to happen overnight, but it is starting to happen really quickly over here in some European countries (check Norway new sales). So it will be really interesting to watch this video again in just ten years time... 😂

Bob, I am a recently retired diesel mechanic after 31 years in the field, and you are correct about your observation on the best diesel trucks! ....Like I said, I have worked on them all and the Chevy with the Duramax(Isuzu) and Allison trans. Is the best combo to have. The Dodge Cummins is 2nd only because of the weak Mopar trans. and poorly built body and dead last is the Ford because they moved away from the tried and true 7.3 that really was a great engine, but they have since cheaped out and lightened up the engine by using less metal ...and Ford's electrical systems, have for quite some time left something to be desired.....if I were to put together the ultimate truck it would be a Chevy square body with a Cummins 5.9 followed by an Allison trans. This combo, without a doubt, would last at least a million miles! ....anyways love your chanel and Happy trails my friend!

Another expensive component on a diesel is the injector pump. It serves the roles of fuel pump and “distributor” in a gas engine - I use quotes because diesel doesn’t have spark plugs. I once owned a diesel VW Rabbit with a leaky injector pump (Bosch VE) and had it rebuilt by someone on eBay for roughly 200 bux. Keep in mind that’s for a tiny (1.6 L) passenger car diesel, aka child’s play. He said every time a new diesel formula came out, he got a surge in biz because the new diesel ate up the old gaskets. So at least try to get any service info on the injector pump, and also get some service quotes for budgeting purposes.

I had a Ford 350 Transit 2015 diesel. The 1st oil change was a Heartbreaker. $250, then I experienced DEF fluid and how to put it in. The engine that worked well in Europe was brought to the US and the fuel system was modified and the US emissions equipment was added to that. I became a statistic of the "Lemon 🍋 Law" heep.

Thank you!!!

The Ford 6.7 diesel according the majority of Ford people is amazing especially with the new 10 speed transmission with that 440hp motor is amazing.

I agree 100%. I’m in the UK and have had many petrol (gas) and diesel vehicles since I started driving 30 years ago. The diesels have been far more troublesome, with turbos, injectors, fuel pumps, And EGR valves all going wrong. I wish my van could be petrol but it would be too costly on fuel and there are none available over here.

Great video. Ram used to be terrible but now get the best reliability rating of the American pickups. Diesels though at least with the half tons have MUCH better mpg than gassers. You lose more mpg while towing with gas as well.

I just bought a 2006 Chevy Express Duramax, extended cargo van. Pre DEF.

I have an 89 F250 4x4 with the 7.3 idi and after market turbo. It does pretty good towing a heavy load... on FLAT ground with minor hills. Really don't want to try it on a mountain.. yet ANOTHER REASON for wanting to swap my fifth wheel for a cutaway cargo van/box truck. But keepin' my truck because of no electronics.

Don't forget the cost of replacing the glow plugs. They are usually $2000.00 plus in Canada. That was a surprise for my young fleet manager.

Bob-right on.

I learned something today.

You are a 1000%right about deasel but a hy compression gas will have plenty of torx to pull up hil too ..has to be hy compression deasel is hy compression

Chevy had a Straight Gas 6 cy, 292 ci, used in bigger trucks,, it was a great motor

The only motor I feel like I truly know is a 350. I have to stick with what I know.

Well thanks for this. I always loved the smell but I won’t anymore!

Thanks

I love my diesel engine. Imported Japanese 1995 Isuzu Elf 3.1 liter diesel, 5 speed, 4x4. She is slow, but powerful.

You nailed it, good job. I am in total agreement. For some the truth could be difficult to accept. (current Cummins 6.7 in a 2007.5 Dodge)

My “dream” truck is a ‘95 F-250, with a Cummins 12v P-pump engine and an Allison trans. One day … maybe I’ll build one :-)

Im thinking of vanlife for early retirement and by that time electric vans should be more common place, looking forward to it

The background is picture perfect.🤓

I’ll buy gas thank you 😊

I drove City trucks for snow removal through the mid 2000 teens and I would go for the duramax Chevy truck over the new Fords. A snowplow and a salt spreader are heavy. It is a bummer to be stuck between two hills...

I'll take the words of wisdom ✨️ 🙏🏻

Always thought you had a screw loose and now I know for sure...

I've always owned petrol vehicles and have never driven a diesel vehicle at all. The sales of diesel vehicles (even used) has reduced dramatically here in the UK and before too long diesel fuel will be difficult to find. I'm actually saving up for an electric vehicle which is the only way to go for the future

We live and learn, never to old to learn or change mind.

I own a used 2016 BMW X5 35d .160miles I just added the def fluid . I did not find it difficult at all to add . I took the EGR valve out and cleaned it ( engine light came on 🙄) , never had any experience. ( KZfaq is awesome!) I found it quite satisfying lol ,however and sadly The EGR valve / and throttle must must be replaced cleaning did not take care of the issue .. the fuel filter and the transfer case fluid has hit its end of life . But I love my diesel . Currently it stings a little at 4.69$ a gallon … I do get fantastic mileage ( I’m a very easy on the pedal kinda gal , I’m never in a hurry ha ha . Iv been looking for another car but the prices are crazy. So until the used market comes down this is what I am soon to be living in . I had no idea that the diesel was dangerous for one’s health however! Thanks for your insight !

At work we have an 08 F-450 flat bed with the gas V10. The thing is an absolute dog and gets 5.5-6.0 mpg. It doesn’t get any slower even with a big load, but it doesn’t get any faster without one. Hasn’t had any problems though.

First I heard that your ambulance is a 2011. During the Duramax generation of the LML(2011-2016), GM was using a Bosch CP4 fuel pump. Do some learning as to the issues with this particular fuel pump and see that there is an alternative to it (retrofit a CP3 pump in its place before it causes issues to your fuel system, esp IF you let the truck idle for extended periods. Note that I have a 2015 and NEVER add fuel without adding a lubrication additive(my preference is Howes, easy to find and works), you will see why once you have done the research. Gas vs diesel, as a contractor I have had work trucks with both, I prefer the gas for ease of maint. and cost BUT if you will be running heavy(my current truck is a 3500 that weighs ~13000#). If I was to just have a pickup and did little towing, I would use the proven Vortec 6L gas.

Dear Bob I was a full-time RVer for six years seven years until I recently remarried and my wife wanted me to do this. however that’s not what I’m talking about I’m talking about the Ford diesel trucks started off with a 2000 Ford Dooley with a 73 engine it was low mileage 150 thousand which is very low for 73 constant problems constant problems rear end overheated all the time and Peed oil all over the road all over the tires in the back of the truck the motor leaked oil so bad that I was afraid the PA was gonna put me in jail so eventually I sold it and I bought a X state of Texas 2006 Ford three-quarter ton 60 diesel that had a brand new motor in it it was fine motor was strong it did a great thing the problem is it had a wiring issue with the truck with the motor and you can drive it someplace grocery store laundromat something come out when you start you have to wait 12 hours before we start again it was on the wrecker or 56 times and I took it someplace I said you have to buy a new wire harness for the motor wire harness is $1400 for one piece of $800 for the other piece and I said goodbye I sold it for scrap then I bought a 2015 67 diesel Ford magic diesel engines are supposed to be so great 170 2000 miles I’m coming home from work or from taking my wife to work and I threw a rod to the side of the engine with nothing hooked on the back of it just running empty doing 35 miles an hour out of warranty I talk to Ford about it in Detroit I wouldn’t do anything to help me and then I find out later with you to messages that this particular Ford series trucks I’ve had all kinds of oil problems were they start the engine with oil and they quietly don’t say anything to anybody because they don’t want to do a massive recall and change motors so my opinions of Ford trucks diesel trucks at the gas trucks diesel trucks are junk thank you for listening to me

CAcustomed allison transmission Milton, FL. Even for gas vehicles.

great video , you have probably save me thousands of $$$$$$$. Thank you sir.

I never particularly liked Diesel engines but I guess some people really enjoy them a lot. The noise of a Diesel truck up against my gasoline car just didn’t compare as far as the noises coming from the outside of the truck was like listening to hard rock music which I never enjoyed listening to. And that’s my opinion.. and your point of the extra expensive stuff you have to do once you have diesel particulates I guess if I ever buy an ambulance I’ll try to pick a gasoline truck.👍

THANKS BOB I AM LOOKING AT CARGO VANS WITH DIESEL ENGINES NOW DECIDE WHETHER TO BY GAS OR DIESEL , YOUR VIDEO HELP ME .

I think the biggest problem will be the Regen at such a high temp. It causes premature component failure. The newer ones are a lot better. I drove the asert engine in semi and it was horrible.

I have had a newer cummins diesel which I liked, but with the increased cost of maintenance, as well as the cost of diesel fuel, give me a tried an true gasser, and i'm all good.

It's to bad you didn't give us your mileage you get. I had a 5.9 and got 11 - 14 pulling my RV and 23 without it. I have a 6.7 now and get 9 - 11 and 21 without the trailer. My gas pickup with a V10 got 4 pulling the trailer.. Enjoy your day

Hey bob, I'm thinking of going nomad in between 5 to 10 years from now I'll be retired by then. Do you have any sudjestions fir getting a jump on things? I think you made a video about this topic but i cant find it. I've been installing solar for the last 23 years so I've got that down and I probably can get some free equipment.

What about diesel heaters? Do they put out particulate matter?

Family member/truck driver was told to fill up due to price scheduled to rise 40 cents or more today...

Saying how complex it is would be relative. As a tech and instructor, it’s the training out there that technicians need that manufacturer s don’t offer. As a shop owner Duramax is the least problematic but Ford are worse compared to Ram and GM. The key to long life in todays diesel is maintenance! Oil changes need to be shorter than what manufacturer state. Fuel filter is another due to the quality of diesel fuel you buy. Gas engines are not cheap either. You are a good man that’s why I’m a big fan but as a specialist in this area, I would say there are ways to make these engines live longer… a lot longer. Your DEF info is incorrect, the main computer still manages that L5P but has other modules that it works with. DEF injected into the exhaust which converts to ammonia by a means of a chemical reaction which breaks up NOx emissions not particulates. It also has a NOx reducing catalyst that it works with. This NOx is monitored by a pre and post NOx sensor. Particulates are collected by the particulate filter and DEF is part of the SCR which is designed to reduce NOx. As a whole the government regulations hold diesel to reduce particulate matter and NOx emissions.

In Australia we call that fluid ADBLUE ..

An number cruncher told me that since he doesn't need the power of diesel, in order to justify diesel he needs to run those trucks more than 25,000 miles a year to make it practical vs gas.

I think it should depend on ones perfrence and knowledge I work on both and have built both so I have no preference but what I wonder about is a electric powered portable home that would be a new one no has done that yet. Great video

I thought and thought about it, and decided I can buy a lot of gasoline for $12,000 that the diesel cost. I traded in my 2500 ram for a 3500 dually ram. both had the 6.4 hemi. Can't say how I will be able to handle pulling a 5th wheel because I haven't bought one yet. But my 26 foot travel trailer doesn't even let me know its back there. If I was living full time in a camper and traveling all the time, I probably would have for the diesel. But, I only camp a few times a year, and I don't want to wait around for the diesel to warm up before I take off. I am a okay let's go type of person. I hopefully will be able to retire sometime and spend my time traveling. For now the gas motor is the best way to go for me. The 2019 Ram 2500 was getting 20mpg at 70 on the interstate when I traded it in. I hope to be able to get 18 with those extra two wheels going round and round.

I have a 2012 Ram Cummins it doesn't have DEF never did! Maybe the other companies used it before 12? Also the Particulate and lungs is new to me, I was a Tow Driver for over 30 years not once did I ever hear about this?? If it's that bad I must have lungs I also smoked since the 80s I'm still here. Also because when hooking up a car on a Tow truck we usually had our face right at the Exhaust pipe outlet and it was not at idle when the PTO is running the hydraulics , usually RPMs were at 2000. Sure the Exhaust has bad stuff in it .

I own 2 diesels ! Love em !!!!!!!

The entity I was working for asked for safety input, and I pointed out the particulate released in the subway. They didn't agree with my assessment, and a week later, there was an article in the New York Times about the lethality of sub-micron particulate. I don't understand the principle of uric acid burning off particulate, maybe an acidic dissolving of particulate, but I take your word for the burning. Seems to me, particulate would be already burnt. We used to take a flatbed into the subway, and we had a scrubber, a big tank we filled with water. The exhaust percolate through the water, like a water pipe. You could plan your trip to Walmart, when you plan to pass one. Order your urea, know how long it takes to ship to the store, how long they will hold it before sending it back, pay for it, pick it up towards the deadline so you don't pass through town and the shipment was delayed. You pull in and pick up your order.

Electric hybrid gas is going up.. I love my Prius with a tent☺️👍

Looks like the San Francisco Peaks behind you.