You've got a point there

I think the base model with the government grant is just under £20k although it's got the poverty battery. £3500 for the next spec up with a bigger battery.

You could buy a used tesla model s for less than that

Are electric cars part of the great reset?

Owning a car is stupid

Hahaha good point

@@Jedimack7 Blue Ray

That’s the trouble isn’t it

Ironically the 500e is a city car that wouldn’t work in practice for those living in a city 🤣

It is no problem , for people like you superchargers will do it.You will be able to charge your vehicle in 20 min and you will have to sit in your car watching youtube.Don't complain...you're wasting a lot of time on youtube anyway.Have you seen all High Peak Autos videos?:)

people who can afford a decent EV already have a house with a driveway,its little over 100k pounds,so they could buy the house before they buy the car,wich would be more logical then buyng a car then buyng a house

Well, an electric car doesnt fit to everyone

So far I’m working on my bucket list garage. Renault 4CV, Panhard Dyna PL17, Alpine A110, Mercedes W108, Land Rover Series 3 probably more, I keep seeing cars I want to add.

😂 I’ve just replaced my super safe Octavia 1.6 TDi TAXI with another Octavia. A vRS 245 petrol. 55mpg to 35mpg and I couldn’t care less. That’s what banning petrol cars has done to me. If I had the money I’d have a Sierra Sapphire RS Cosworth for my day off too.

@@JohnnyPaton In theory it's all good, and many others might look to do the same. The rub could come if the powers that be gradually tighten emissions regs, thus removing older cars from the roads. Given that fact that the environment, along with climate issues keep climbing up the agenda, it isn't unthinkable it could happen.

Petrol is getting more and more expensive. That's how they'll get everyone into EVs. I do around 200 miles a week and that costs me £50 PW. That's in a BMW M4 for reference.

One last hurrah indeed. 😎

Electric cars are inherently more expensive to build, due to rarer elements involved.

Charged twice as much .... I see what you did there ;)

Trouble is, they're all very dear. I cant think of a better new one for £30k

@@HighPeakAutos I think I’d buy a Peugeot e 208 mainly cause it’s more practical and imo a bit better looking, imo the mini e is a much better car but the range is a bit crap for the price, the Honda e is just amazing because of how it looks, the corsa is a 208 with a crap name attached.

@@HighPeakAutos go across to the other badge on that Fiat dealer forecourt and they sell a couple of EVs for £24k brand new, a SUV or an estate! Slightly different target audience but just the sort of money the manufacturers should be aiming for

In 5 years the Chinese will flood the market with good looking and spec'ed EV brands we have not yet heard of at 30% less. Here in the Middle East there is not a week that goes by when I notice a good looking Hybrid car of a Chinese brand I've never seen or heard of before.

@@wajopek2679 you’re probably right

Panda 4x4 always had good reviews.

@@flybobbie1449 I've never driven an electric (except a milk float!) but it's time I gave one a try.

I just want to congratulate you on finally coming out of the closet and admitting you were that Panda driver. I always wondered who that was

They aren't all 30k,you can get long range in a cheaper speck, still with plenty of equipment

This isn't a panda ??

There needs to be a big leap forward in battery technology, a real breakthrough, and a massive infrastructure investment for charging. If I'm getting low on diesel on the motorway, five minutes in the service station has me out and away. I don't need an hour in Costa Coffee to charge up enough to get me home.

The price is only a list price anyways. This is especially true with EVs. In Germany you can buy a Fiat 500 top spec for less than 24k € after government and dealership rebates. That translates into around 20k £. Reasonable for the kind of tech you get.

That's so true! I used to own a VW Up! and really liked it. When the eUp! came out I really liked the idea of getting an electric car and assumed it would be pretty cheap (compared to most EVs). I was pretty horrified at the almost £30k price tag and worked out that the difference in price, minus the fuel savings from going electric would mean I'd have to do about 60,000 miles a year and own it for about 5 years!! Only then would it have broken even in terms of overall cost compared to the top spec petrol Up!

@@terencejay8845 with its fast charging speed i gives you 5 Kilometer in one minute. Your battery will get you about 400 kilometers in urban traffic. So if you run out of electricity Hit would be a sign of laziness if not stupidity

@@leeoliver391 there are a lot of other items which save you money. Do not forget that the running costs are very low because there is nothing that can breakdown think of the lots of editional things to the mother widget doesn't have for example and no belts oder Pumps or sensors on anything, no oil no Clutch and gearbox etc, you can sell your CO2 rights which gets YOU 250 cash every year Germany the name is "THG Quote" the annual Routine Checks are only about 100€. Any oil change is more expensive and the list is very long. If you run it ten years it will save you a lot of money komplett with my BMW it is about one thousand € cheaper every year

One year later, and the general consensus is "not enough."

The new is electric only

Thank you! Will do!

I was in barbers and stood there chatting. In the traffic queue outside young blonde girl in Fiat 500 staring at us through window. I said to barber i bet she ain't looking at us, but her reflection in the barber shop window.

We will have to live on the moon if we continue to clog up this world with air pollution

The key issue is the country is the of charging infrastructure, have driven hybrids and that’s ok but all electric, with the cost and range issue nah!

@@Tuffluk cars are a drop in the ocean. Do your research. Have a look at a refrigerant c02 calculator, I can put a bottle of gas in a fridge that's leaked and it covers 10 years driving

@@chappy2121 Transport accounts for 24 per cent of Co2 emmissions. Road transport accounts for two thirds of that. Sorry, I couldn't find any information on the percentage of greenhouse gas emmissions from leaky fridges! Get real!

You'd begin to recoup the cost a little quicker than you might think. There are EV specific tariffs out there now, and some costing as little as 4.5p per kwh, so that could bring your actual driving cost per mile pretty close to 1p. No petrol car could hope to get near that. EV residual values are likely to remain strong in the UK too, particularly now that charging to enter town and city centres with cars and vans not meeting Euro 6 emission levels, has begun. Birmingham rolled their £8 per day scheme out on June 1st, with York, Bath, Leeds, Coventry and others looking at doing the same.....

Too much "reality TV" and "insta models" these days that glorify that nonsense mate.

I agree. If they were the same price as petrol versions more people would buy them. I'm all for them if they're better than the petrol/diesel version that they replace. In this case, it is. Its not worth twice the price though

They make sense as city cars. Unfortunately people who live in cities tend to live in flats which is a non starter. The only niche I see is city taxis where conventional cars might fall to pieces in stop start driving.

Now they are starting to be similarly priced (of course not with the small cars). I just ordered bmw i4m40 and paid 85k here in Finland. Similar bmw 440i would have costed about 95k. So cheaper and much better.

Thank you!!

Harvey Davidson electric bike is £30K, so the same for a car hmm OK its still not good.

Need to be below 20k. Need to see the small Chinese car, called Ora Good cat. 16-22k US Dollars.

Electric innit. Same price as the Renault Zoe. Goddamn microbox costs almost the same per month as a low-end executive saloon 15 years ago!

Haha thanks. You've got to be wary of the old Honda Civics with HLG stickers on the back, they're usually in their 90's and feeling brave

Thanks 👍

I agree. It’s not perfect. I think it makes more sense for small city cars. For bigger cars you’re better off with petrol/diesel

Same silly, untrue cliches. You're about 10 years behind the times.

@@bugsygoo would you care to explain, I'm always open to persuasion....?

@@rob5944 After three years the battery isn't going to be 'knackered'. That is why the car comes with an 8 year battery warranty. It is true that electric cars are not 'green'. But over their entire lifetime, they contribute less Co2 than ICE vehicles. The world needs to decarbonise. Electric cars are part of that.

@@bugsygoo if what you say is correct then residual prices will be high. Although I accept that over time (assuming that enough are produced) they should become more affordable. I wonder what the small print is on the warranty, does range decrease with age and use and is it transferable? If this is your main car then 150 mile range doesn't really cut it, how are you going to go on longer trips and what if a couple of other people are using the charger? At the moment I'd prefer a one litre petrol, mine emits less than 99 g/km and goes 350 miles on £40. It was less than 6k used and has no filthy battery (though admittedly slow on long hills). Your thoughts please....

@@rob5944 Firstly, I would not pay 30,000 for this car. As the reviewer said, it is way too expensive. Electric vehicles are too expensive at the moment. But that is a decision of the manufacturers. It isn't based on supply and demand issues. But where I live you can buy a dacia electric econobox for less than 15,000 pounds. You can get an id3 for in the UK for slightly more than the fiat. EVs are holding their value better than ICE cars because of demand. Yes, the battery will decrease over time. By how much depends on a lot of things, but it isn't what i would call significant. If you do a lot of long trips, then the fiat isnt for you. But it isn't meant for that and most journeys are are something like less than 30 miles. I can't remember the exact figure. Ideally, you will charge at home. People who park on the street have a less convenient option. But it will be much cheaper to run no matter where you charge. If you go electric, you can feel good in the knowledge that you aren't contributing to my son's asthma with your filthy tailpipe emissions.

Thanks 👍

He should had mention that.

Exactly. I didnt get PCP quotes from them but I imagine for £250 per month and no fuel bills, it does start to look quite appealing

@@HighPeakAutos Most definitely. 👍👍 Looking forward to a video update on the Defender. 🙏🏻

Haha that’s right

Hahaha wouldn't it just

Never even heard of em....

@@rob5944 🤣😂

Aintree special edition

I work in Liverpool and your spot on, might just need some black carpet above the headlights!

That can’t be right. There are plenty of older EV’s on the road that don’t have a noise

What grille...

I like the idea and I think for a city car they're perfect. But I wouldn't have one as my only car

@@HighPeakAutos Agree, if all your driving is short city trips, 10-20 miles, commuting, shopping etc they're perfect. If you're doing longer regular trips across country, then charging becomes an issue!

Yep!

I learned to drive in one. 1969, Guernsey... 😄

They’re great cars. I especially liked this soft top version.

Thank you. Good choice. I was impressed with it

Very good. I like them

That just sounds wrong. Fiats shouldn't be reliable - it's just against the natural order of things and makes me wonder if my suffering with my 1995 Punto was all for nought...

It probably wouldn’t be very expensive when she gets her license, but then again by that time the batteries of these have reached the end of their life and they need a new battery, which will probably cost more than the car

Yes exactly. A second hand one

@@HighPeakAutos For that price you could buy say a new C1 or Peugoet 108. That'd be my choice at the moment, speaking as an ordinary person with an average budget.

Yeah, and higher price means (much) higher subsequent devaluation 😞. Perhaps there is a sweet spot for second-hand EV's which cost little to run, especially as a second car.

My first car was a used 1979 Fiat Strada. I love that car. It got 39 mpg mix driving. The only thing I fix on that car was a fuel pump that I replace myself. I had no other issue. I miss that car.

There will be thousands of mechanics who will be looking for work.

I think you'll find they aren't really mechanics but motor vehicle technicians, way down the pecking order as they have little or no knowledge of motor vehicles unless test equipment tells them where and what the fault is. I once asked one to define battery....he had no idea. I then asked define starter motor...again no idea.

We’ll see. Obviously it’ll still need tyres and brakes etc but there’s a lot less to go wrong