What about the range?

@@level5detail I assume you live in a hot climate environment

@@ll2k89 California 😁

@@level5detail How people look at you? I saw 2 in LA so far and they stood out from all the same looking Cayenne, Range rover, G-wagon Suvs. I bet you get more attention than G-wagon.

@@sebastian3004 I can definitely confirm that! I drove it around Miami last night and it caused some serious rubbernecking. It is definitely an attention getter, if that's what you're looking for.

That's temporary. But yeah it's stupid

@@megaroeny do you just go around copy and pasting? Explain how its temporary in any way, shape, or form? They have no fucking batteries to sell cars, you need to build plants to manufacture batteries or have some serious suppliers that would rather supply you instead of some other company. but ya only temporary for 3 years until they get that going

Not sure where you live but if you are in Metro Atlanta most of the dealers have them.

Sorry to hear that. I was lucky to be in one of the states that has it. You could work out a deal for MSRP via email if you are up for the drive. You can get then to send you the contract with the manager's signature to ensure that there won't be any surprises when you get there. I love it for what it is, but it's definitely not perfect either.

What’s your eta?

Curious if you see the Polestar as a small SUV?

My husband got a polestar and I have an Ioniq on order. I wouldn’t say the polestar experience was stellar since the polestar went thru the associated Volvo dealer process. They “accidentally” tacked on $800 in fee for some paint protection. I only caught it after they delivered the car to my house and I signed all the paper work. it took 2 wks for them to make the correction.

@@akeiser12 May 22

@@thomascook_138 It's a hatch back, no more or less of a sub/cuv than a Ioniq5/mustang

I agree, the Hyundai is a lot lower cost.

Now imagine if the Mach E was built by US union workers instead of Mexican workers and that price difference will jump much more...

Hard to say when you see it standing alone it does look like a smaller car. When I see it next to the Mach e in next to the Tesla model three I’m surprised again at how large the ionic five is. The shape of it reminds me of an 80s hatchback and I guess that’s why I think compact car when I see it but it’s actually a pretty decent size.

I ordered a mache mid Oct. just checked the order status over the weekend and saw the msrp increased by 2k. Ford should have honored the original order price.

Mustang looks way sexier

Ioniq 5 definitely isn’t as cool though

It’s not easy to get an ioniq 5 either

@@lfhao7969 I test drove one and could’ve bought one yesterday they had them on lot . Mach e’s you can’t get right now for less than 53k on the standard and can’t even test drive them . The factory stopped accepting orders

Free charging for 2 years?!

@@Mbl2ss yes you get 2 years free charging with Electrify America which gives you 10-80% in 18 mins too so awesome

@@pm9079 omg that's amazing. I was looking into this or the BMW i4 and maybe tesla 3 (v unsure of this one) and how does the 7500 reduction work? First time buyer here!

@@Mbl2ss basically the government will match up to $7,500 of your federal taxes,

Congrats on the new car! One of the most important factors for me when it comes to picking a car is the sound system. How were the speakers in the ioniq 5? (bass? volume? etc.)

Honda was doing that with their door chimes in the 80's...

It took Tesla a couple years to nail down a consistent iphone/car experience. I wish all the luck to Ford.

The phone as a key is one area that needs improvement. I purchased a key Fob after 2 months of ownership.

Actually mountain driving doesn’t seem to impact range as much as speed does. With regenerative braking going on I’ve averaged about 4 miles/kWh when driving 60 mph on Colorado mountain roads.

Did you try CO dealers? Some were honest about not having adm when I emailed almost all of them

@@AlumarsX I live in California. Most are charging a $5k+ up charge as a "market price." One example is $48,520 MSRP and a $55k "market price."

@@AlumarsX I live in CA. Here is an example from a dealership. MSRP (sticker) of $48,250. "Market price" is 55k.

@@BrianHoJazz I know, I live in KS and was also considering purchasing out of state so I emailed a bunch of dealers in TX, IL and CO. Half of them told me they don't charge ADM. There's a list of the dealers that don't charge extra on the ioniq forums

@@AlumarsX - which forum? I’ll investigate more.

I live in Arizona and found one dealer in Arizona - Sanderson Ford - that did not charge a markup. Ordered a MME - GT PE from them. Now waiting for a delivery hopefully by June. All other Ford dealers here here have markups of $5k-$15k.

I drove a Mach E, and I thought the one pedal driving experience was horrible. It does a weird thing near the end, and then the brakes grab. You should drive a Chevy bolt in low, If you want to experience how smooth one pedal driving can be, especially when coming to a complete stop. Silky smooth. Ford has some learning to do

Did you decide?

Yeah, you don't sit in the frunk, you want that extra space inside where you sit.

Yes, I think with seats down the Ioniq 5 has significantly more space inside.

The mach E is 1.5 inches longer, has significantly more trunk space, and interior space, and has a larger battery. The specs are on their website

german here: most hyundai dealers are criminals here. not, not good, but outright lie and cheat to save a couple hundred knowingly the owners will end up with thousands in damage.

It would be bad ass to see a race between all of these cars. KYLE MAKE IT HAPPEN.

He did this! And they were so similar it was weird

I drove both and ordered the Ioniq 5 without any doubt... the ride of the Mustang was hard, didn't like it at all, also the many features of the Ioniq and the lovely dual screens and the head up display, make the Hyundai such a pleasant car to drive

Its a big selling point if you live in a cold area and plan to do long trip. mach-e range decrease so much during winter and then you compare 45min of charging time vs 15min for the ioniq5. But well, thats only matter if you plan to do long trip with your car IMO.

Yes both brands,but let say all brands and all new and used cars have now mark-ups lol

Fair point. But, just think how happy you will be when you find and pull into a functioning 350 and after a good session you are on your way in half the time as if you kept your ID.4 (in my case). This possibility is some of the stuff that excites me… I know I know. I need a life haha

I would highly recommend the Hyundai over the ID4.

Me too! I ordered the ID.4 Pro S AWD, but I’m cross-shopping the IONIQ 5 and EV6 now that they’ve arrived. One of the dangers of the 8 month wait to deliver, I suppose. The heated windshield is still the “killer app” for the VW, but I’m waffling.

Ioniq 5 is a much better car than the id4. It shouldn't even be a question (having driven both extensively, bought an Ioniq 5)

@@guybrushthreepwood3002 Thank you for the reply. I haven’t been able to test drive the IONIQ5, but I suspect I will agree with you once I have. I don’t think there are any available in WI yet, and the closest appears to be 118 miles away. It might be worth a road trip.

@@stevenjudd2383 I'm seeing some listed at wi dealers as "in transit". So it might not be long if you're willing to wait a bit.

ID4/Polestar both look bland

The Mach E GT only gives 5 seconds of max performance while the the Kia EV6 GT-line (not the full GT) already gives mid-low 4 second acceleration without nerfing the performance...

Yes, you can switch it to dark. That's what I do.

@@NightRidah777 you can even program it to have dark mode in the evening and white mode during the day, as you wish !

Considering most people finance on 5-6-7 years, and you can remove the oil expense from their weekly budget, it makes tons of sense. I can afford a lot more car I'd I'm not spending on oil/oil changes (especially that here in Quebec where I live electricity is both very green and very cheap). My car is paid off. Just with the payment on my wife's car and the money we spend on oil weekly, we can more than afford the payments on 2 new ioniq 5s! That's not counting on the big back amounts from our current cars

Model Y is nice but you don’t get the $7500 tax rebate.

@@emmcey So, I could pay 5-10K more for the Mach-e and get $7500 back which is about what I am paying for a Model Y. Think I'll take the Tesla.

@@jamoss55 get ready for horrible build quality and horrendous Tesla customer service.....prepare.

@@USNEM Which Tesla do you own or have you owned with issues? Where was your service department that provided poor quality service? I have 2 service depts., soon to be 3 to go to in Missouri and I have heard no complaints about either one.

@@jamoss55 Model 3 Long range. I have had over 25 service visits since 2019. Do the math, I'm in Texas.

That’s a bad take 😜. I have a MME and drive it exclusively in one pedal mode. It’s efficient and smoother then what I ever had in my model S.

@@msbloom19, I’ve driven 3 different models of Tesla, and not one of them quite matches the smoothness of the Bolt EV. They are ok, but not quite as good as the Bolt I think it comes down to the Bolt having even more aggressive regeneration. To the point where the brake pads never even have to be applied. Unlike others, where you “feel” the brakes being activated and all the stuttering associated with brake activation. Plus, I think that some people just don’t pick up the details like others. Maybe you just didn’t notice. 🤷‍♂️To have two people right here, that have driven many EVs, notice the Unsatisfactory one-pedal driving of the MME, says a lot. I really hope Ford get this right. I really love the car otherwise, and hope it has even greater success.

You are correct on the charging.but the hda2 is on the sel trim. This is my car in the video that Kyle is testing and it does have highway drive assistant 2 with lane change.

@@jeepsandevs486 good to know. Thanks. I was based on the info from Hyundai website. Does yours have 360 camera? I'd assume the auto lane change is based on camera system

@@dearbulls it does not it's based on the radar

Disagree totally. Tesla is so much better as a whole.

This is a great thread start, but I want to hear WHY you each think so! I’m debating both of them and need all the details

@@midnight121190 here are my reasons: If you care about the range, my Ioniq 5 RWD gives me 488K every time I charge it to 100% but when I charge it to 90% I get a minimum of 430 to 450KM. I paid for it 55K after rebates included taxes in Canada and I can charge it in between 18 to 28 minutes from 10% to 80%. If you want to pay around 89K + taxes then you can get Tesla Y and it gave you the same or maybe less KM range. However, Tesla's software is unmatched in the market other than that Inoiq 5 wins it for me. 40K price difference is a lot for a lot of us. I am sure others may disagree but this is my personal opinion and experience.

@@ferooz303 thanks for replying! I definitely see the range, charge speed and apparently the ride comfort (what do you think btw?? Comfy as claimed?) as all being a huge plus to the ionic. I’m honestly surprised and excited by how many people say the Hyundai has the best ev ride quality. I have a Tucson now and it’s loud and not overly comfy - though it wasn’t at the same level the ionic is lol. The ride quality on the m3 I test drove was one of the things that stood out. My main issues are the storage size and charge network. When we camp or road trip… we don’t pack light and the Tesla has what seems like a TON more room. Two people can literally sleep in the Tesla comfortably with the climate control running only losing minimal power overnight. It’s tempting. So it’s more expensive (about $15-25k here too) but it also seems like a way bigger car with a better charging infrastructure). Going from Washington to Colorado with a Tesla, no problem. Same trip no Tesla… looks challenging or slow at best right now. The ionic’s 2 years of free charging is tempting though. There are literally great points to both.

@@midnight121190 I am not an outdoor person however, I recently took a 6 hours road trip with my buddy who has an Audi E-Tron SUV 2021 and I can tell you with confidence that in 6 hours I hardly noticed if I am tried or not. The drive was smooth and the seats are great. Storage is the same inside I think however, Tesla has more storage in the Frunk. Electrify America is everywhere nowadays and the charging was very convenient. During my trip, my buddy had to charge twice for our 500KM trip while I only charged for 8 minutes once. I agree Tesla has a great charging network however, there are a lot of charging stations for none Tesla cars, especially in the USA. By the way, IONIQ 5 is one of the rare cars that has an adapter that can power your camping gears and even power your house for a few days. At the end of the day, it is a personal choice and how much you are willing to spend. I am happy with what I got and I highly recommend this to all my friends. It is a car that whenever I park people always come to me and check it out because of its special design and look ;) Best of luck!

I absolutely agree that the route planning and battery management software HAS to be rock solid. From watching road-tripping reviewers both in the U.S. and Europe, it appears many cars' software isn't. On his road trips Kyle will usually comment on any problems he encounters with route planning and range estimating/reporting programs and that's helpful, but I don't know anyone who actually evaluates this functionality in any consistent, apples-to-apples method across manufacturers. I don't know how you would do that except by driving a specific long road trip with every car you test. Not practical to do that, so the ad hoc, subjective comments by reviewers are what we have.

That's temporary. But yeah it's stupid

They said not available in Georgia until June, I just bought one, they are rolling into dealers.

what states are they available in?

@@ArthurGreenDesigns AZ, CA, CO, CT, FL, GA, IL, MA, MD, NC, NJ, NM, NY, OK, OR, PA, TX, VA, and WA

@@FreddyRozen wheres HI (hawaii)?

Today, the Hyundai Ioniq 6 can charge from 0 to 80% in 18 minutes, gets a summer range of 361 miles, and many more 800-volt chargers have been built. Your future is much closer...