I like it, and am thankful for the good honest fitters out there! Keep it up.

I had a bad experience at Club Champion and definitely comping to 2nd swing from WI. Cause my local shop pushes a certain brand so they get more money

Not surprised about your Golf Galaxy experience, they are the absolute bottom tier in the golf industry. Most of their fitters don't know much and still think hand to floor is a good way to fit people. If you don't mind me asking, who did that ranking because brand fittings are never really on any top ranking list due to the insane limitations on their selection to be able to properly fit you.

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Had not thought of that!

A good fitter with ask you to bring the balls you normal play during a round and fit your clubs to the ball.

That's the kind of fitting story I like to hear.

Finding a good builder/fitter is rare these days. Glad you found him, but also good to learn this stuff yourself.

@@EFGMC definitely agree. I couldn't get the ultimate setup to his prescription but I had the irons reworked, new hybrid and the 3 wood reshafted. And I've been teeing the 3 wood, not used the driver for years. But now I want my driver sorted finally and well the local guys didn't seems so excited about reshafting it for me. I'm an engineer, and I have a prescription with SW, CPM, etc etc listed nicely so with a bit of good research and some effort I will try and bring it to spec.

I think there is always a learning curve with any new clubs although it sounds like you have them more than a fair chance. In this case I think you just try and figure out what you did not like about those clubs and apply that going forward.

Never great to hear that something like lie and loft were so different between the two fittings.

Totally agree with all of this!

Good fitters can be hard to find. If you have a good, trustworthy one, hold on to him.

I agree with manufacturer tolerances being loose in some cases.

That would be great if they did!

I have noticed that GG will not use the Mizuno DNA-System in their fitting sessions.

I agree on the sole weights. When there are 2 with one towards the face and one toward the back, moving the heavy one to the front will open the face and moving it towards the back will close the face. In addition, obtaining more weights of varying sizes can allow you to alter the percentage difference and/or total weight of the two. Makes it easy to alter directional tendencies of the club. I have Callaway fairway where I did thay so both fairways and the driver all hit the ball straight without any adjustments to my swing from club to club.

The fitter I'm going to charges for the fitting and doesn't put it towards purchase. I'm fine with it as a way for compensating the fitter purely for their time and knowledge. It takes some of the pressure off both sides of the process.

Yep. That is one of many questionable "policies" at these types of fitters.

I always tell them at the time of ordering that I would like the original shafts and have never had a problem in getting them. You paid for them and you OWN them.

Fairway woods are for sure some of the harder clubs to get right. 5 wood is easier than 3 wood but can still be tricky.

As long as your iron lie angles are right, agreed that wood fitting are more important. Wrong iron lie angles will make you hit it very crooked and inconsistently. The adjustable lie angles on woods with detachable heads makes adjusting them easy. Usually a little experimentation will get tht right.

@@bobpegram8042 definitely but a lot of us hackers buy off the shelf. I totally agree that fitting is the best way to go. Never been fitted for irons, but since I have plenty of clubs my wife would think a fitting at this point would be silly.

@@kevinwood1722 - All you need to experiment with faieway wood (or driver) lie angles is an adjustment wrench that usually comes with a wood that has an adjustable hosel. You try the various settings yourself. It will become apparent in a hurry which lie angle makes you deliver the sole of the club flat on the ground (rather than heel up oir toe up). You don't need a fitter for that.

@@bobpegram8042 just seen another video on what you said and never thought too much about it until now, was really focused on getting the right shaft

Jack, I've also had good experiences with Golftec. To be fair, over the years I've also had good luck with Club Champion - specific fitter in each case. In the latter case the fitter sent me away without anything new as the numbers weren't appreciably different than what I already had. I appreciated the honesty (and ended up buying a year later when I found something that WAS better).

@@1andygray the difference with my fitting was I had a bunch of beginner clubs and I must have spent at least $500 on shafts alone. Grips are another $100. I just got tired of it and bought new clubs (I LOVE THEM!!!!) They are a Cobra driver and 3 wood, Ping Irons and Vokey Wedges. All I can say is take your time and realize when you need new clubs like I did.

I personally think of a fitting as measuring someone for length, lie, shaft flex, grip size, set make up. These things should be done regardless of level and they usually don't change much other than flex possibly. The more elaborate "fittings" where you are looking at numerous heads and shafts combination, really are less fittings and more demoing. If you are paying for a fitting or planning on spending more on higher end equipment, I think you want a certain level of consistency to justify the cost. Otherwise the basic static measurement type fitting will be plenty for most golfers.

I would get the basic fitting specs for sure either way. Length, lie, grip size are all things you want right regardless of ability. Lie angle can change in some cases with better swing but length and grip size will be the same regardless of ability.

I second this reply! Definitely get a basic fitting, but spend money on lessons before you get fit for an spend money on a set that you plan on playing for a while! Good luck out there! 😊

The best way I think to look at a fitting is not as a way to pinpoint an exact head, exact shaft, grip, etc. It's a chance to figure out what kind of equipment is going to work better for you or worse. Difference sole widths, offset, oversized heads, shaft weights, bend profile. All these things can be narrowed down with a fitting and that is really the value in it. Remember, no such thing as a perfect golf club, it's about minimizing variables so you could put together any number of setups and get equally good performance out of them.

You can manipulate the course conditions, change the temp or the altitude and cheat the results. You can also change the type of ball being used in the equation though I have never played around with that to see if it could straighten out a wild dispersion. Might need to check into that and make a video depending on what I find out. All that said, I hate to just assume that the fitter did something questionable. Maybe the customer's driver was just way off for them so they might have seen that kind of improvement. 😅

Yes. Support local club builders and fitters.

I would want to have a basic fit of your current clubs. Most important being length, shaft flex, grip size, etc. once you get more consistent I would look at another fitting.

This will really be golfer dependent. Swing weight changes influence everyone differently. I would just go to the driving range and hit 5-10 balls without the weight and then with. See if you notice any changes in ball flight, distance, consistency. From that you can decide if you want the weight in or not. Also remember you can buy different weight amounts for the hybrid if you want something in-between.

I have been fitted at Club Champion and the result was one of my worst golfing seasons ever, less distance and worse accuracy but I don't want to scare you away from the fitting. I got my fitting in January last year and the 90 day perfect fit guarantee expired before the golf season got started. If you want to save some money you should state before the fitting that you are on a budget and they will use less expensive shafts. Also after the fitting tell them you want to think about it before you commit to buying. Give yourself some time to figure out if it's worth the investment. Good Luck.

@@larryjonak3617 Thanks for the advice. I will definitely do what you've suggested. I've been "taken" before with shaft snakes and don't want to go through that again. How long did it take to get your clubs done after your fitting? Need the most help with my 3W and 2 Hybrids, but and doing a fitting with the driver also.

@@bryanduchane2371 It took two weeks. They said they couldn't beat my current 3W but I am still playing the 2 hybrids they fitted. I got the Mavrik 3 and 5 hybrid with Fujikura Vista Pro shafts. Part of their thing is to have the shafts pured. I don't know if you can decline the puring or not but it does add some $$$. Personally I don't think it makes any difference.

@@larryjonak3617 I've looked into the puring and believe it is BS. I hope to go and find out what shafts match my swing technique and if they will sell me those what's at a respectable price things will be fine. If not, I'll purchase my own shares that are similar or exact to what they recommend. Do you suggest taking a notebook to write down the shaft recommendations or do they give you something with that after your finished? This location just opened recently in Myrtle Beach and hope they are wanting to get as many referral clients as they can because they are new to the market. Looking forward to it, but will be cautiously optimistic!!!

I also was fitted at CC (luckily only for a wedge) about 3 years ago before I knew anything about the process. They charged me about 2x retail (I later realized). They also convinced me to "pure" the shaft (which seems to be BS). What I didnt realize was a) you shouldn't feel pressured to buy that day b) they will price match to your local store (they will claim they build it better). My recommendation is to get the fitting, write down all the information, then go price it at your local golf store. If CC will match, then you can decide whether or not to go with them.

Usually can get a couple degrees depending on brand. What are they?

That is really the best way to do it. Real golf course will always be best for figuring this stuff out.

Start with this. Help make whatever driver you have better. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/osWqq7J50siwnIU.html

Golf retailers like PGA Tour Superstore or Golf Galaxy should be able to get you close. Of course you can also figure out all those things yourself just using some of my videos.

Practicality comes into play. I hit 7 different 7 irons half a dozen times each with several different shafts per club. And I was gassed. If you did that with every iron, it would take a couple weeks. BTW, the wedges were fitted separately, just using the sand wedge. With a smaller swing, I could still do that after the iron fitting.

Similar shape heads will perform similar assuming they have the same lofts. Once you find a head style you like, the brand is of little consequence. Most important spec with any shaft is weight so if you can get that dialed in, that is 80% of the equation.

Yes, you can take a general fitting and apply the same specs. Just make sure you know what the lie angle on the test club is vs the Takomo stock lie.

Have not heard any reviews of them. Plenty of bad stories from some fitting companies but I have not heard anything good or bad about them. Maybe someone else here can share their experience??

@@EFGMC closing the loop here. I had an excellent experience with their fitter Kevin Kraft. He listened to the history of my playing, and was also open to letting me try an older second hand club which turned out to be the right fit for me! Wouldn't hesitate to recommend them to others.

They tried to steer me into used irons when I made it clear at the beginning I was interested in new. Used clubs is where they make their money, which is fine if that's what you want, but I was of a certain age and was treating myself. I based my decision on online reviews and a baseline established by a driver fitting with a reputable local shop. No complaints, it doesn't need to be that complicated for your average golfer. I was also rushed at 2nd swing despite making a purchase, "You only have an hour". Glad I knew what I wanted.

Changing lofts will always make a bigger difference than any shaft change. Shafts can fine tune things at best.

@@EFGMC okay for now I will weaken the lofts 2 degrees. See if that helps a little bit.

A low kick point shaft will tend to hit the ball higher. Stiff shafts will hit the ball lower than regular shafts, other things being equal (since they don't bend as much). If the loft adjustment still isn't enough look at very tip active shafts. They are available in both graphite and steel.

@@bobpegram8042 Be aware that those low bend point shafts can lead some golfers to hit low on the face and create new issues. Make sure you pay attention to face impact position whenever making shaft changes.

@@EFGMC OK. Point well taken.

I have the same issue when hitting indoors. Feel like you need to shorten everything so you don't hit a wall.

The Blue profile is usually the one that people can feel the most "load" with. You might want to try dropping a flex to see if that gives you the feel you're looking for.

@@EFGMC what about another brand of shaft? Graphite design or fujkura?

@@roberthammer2446 Maybe. I can't say. You would need to try them and see how they feel to you. Again though I would look at dropping a flex. Another option would be to add a little weight to the head. This acts to soften the shaft a bit and increases the load feel.

@@EFGMC great idea

I would watch this first. Video I did a year ago on this topic. Kind of depends on your point of view and how much weight you add back if any. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gNunacR0s9LLdHk.html

@@EFGMC thank you... Do you have an opinion on Mitchell Golf School from Michigan? They have a week certification class to repair clubs.

@@jcjoo I haven't done it so I can't say for sure. Do I feel like you could get the same knowledge from this channel and messing around with some thrift store clubs, for sure. I don't see any value in a club building certification. That is just a made up thing. It's like a club fitting certification. Either you know what you are doing or not.

@@EFGMC Thank you

Unfortunately you can't expect any fitting to be great on it's own. The only way to ensure a successful fitting in my opinion is to do your homework beforehand and take the lead during the fitting so that you can try the combinations you want and not just what they want.

Fitters will offer suggestions and equipment for *your swing*... if you don't have your swing figured out yet, then the fitting will not be good (unless you end up using the swing you just happen to be using on the day you were fitted. Figure out your swing, get used to it, then get fitted. Sometimes a lesson goes farther than a fitting.

@@glenngibson1444 Yeah that it my thinking too. Thanks for the input man.

I can offer you my experience. I was down to about a 7 HCP. Had back/hip issues and stopped playing for over a year, then got my second hip replacement (53 years old) in May 2021…started swinging again after 6 weeks and 3 months out from surgery was trying to decide whether to get fitted at that point, or wait until I’ve grooved a swing…decided to go and see what happened. This was late July 2021. COVID was a big factor as supply chain issues were indicating over 6 months in some cases to get clubs, and I wanted them for the spring 2022. My swing wasn’t great and went to Club Champion…going by the Trackman numbers, they fitted me for T200 irons ($185/head) and LA Golf Tour AXS 85R shafts ($170/club shaft upcharge with “puring”). I figured my swing would adapt and they would feel great since I’m paying so much for them…I was totally wrong. Got them in late August 2021 and played all fall with them…couldn’t hit consistently…lots of thin shots, no consistent ball striking (usually a strong point for me)…rehabbed and worked over the winter to get stronger…started up again in the late winter/early spring and still couldn’t hit them at all with any consistency or confidence…went to my local Golf Galaxy and just tried different shaft combos on my own…turns out the Project X LZ 6.0 shaft was absolutely perfect with T100S heads for me. I ordered just the 9, PW, and GW to test them out on the real course with grass…They are absolutely brilliant…feel like an extension of my body and I actually giggled after going out with them 3 times…So, now I’m in the process of replacing all my irons and shafts with the new makeup…moral of the story, if the clubs don’t feel comfortable, don’t just go by the data or get fitted until you have a comfortable swing that you want to use…My mistake is costing me thousands of dollars…hopefully someone out there is looking for T200 irons with LA Golf shafts in them, because they will be up for sale soon…great clubs, just not fit for me….

@@petegalindez9961 Wow Pete what a bummer man. That is exactly the sort of thing I was hoping to avoid. As it ends up I pinched a nerve in my neck back in March so I was not able to go in for a fitting as I had planned - I guess it was a blessing in disguise eh? I am just now getting back into hitting again and really only short game stuff for a few more months. Still that is some good information so I plan to get my swing dialed in before I do go for a fitting. To he honest just thinking about the fitting process gives me anxiety. I have read and heard so many negative things about the process like how they will try to up-sell customers and people paying double the list price. I have already done a ton of research and have a short list of the irons and hybrids I want to try and am not interested in anything other than stock shafts, but do want to try steel versus graphite and senior versus standard flex since I have not bought clubs in years and am a senior golfer now with a slower club head speed. I went to Dick's Sporting Goods the other day just to get hands on with the clubs I want to try and they do club fittings too and for only $30. Yes I know they are not true pro fitters, but they don't carry a ton of shafts other than stock so I can avoid that hassle and they can do a basic fitting for lie and length. Plus they have a launch monitor and I know my way around the data having my own GC3. In the end it might be a less stressful experience so I am seriously considering it since the price is right. If it does not go well I only lose $30 and I am sure I will learn something about the process either way. Money well spent IMO. Anyway Pete, thanks for taking the time to post this reply, it was very informative and I truly appreciate it. I hope you have recovered from your surgeries and are enjoying some more golf now. Also, good luck selling those clubs. I have sold some old clubs on eBay so you might want to consider that as an option. Take care man.

@@Alan_Edwards Good luck to you and your pinched nerve….I’m still dealing with back issues after the two hip replacements…getting old sucks…but, on the good side, I paid for a full bag fitting, so went back for another session to fit driver/3 wood. I’m ecstatic about my driver. I didn’t get a super expensive shaft in it…I think it was $100 for the Badazz shaft…I guess they figured they got enough out of me with the LA Golf shafts they shafted me for on my irons (9 shafts)…I guess now I know why they are called shafts! LOL…I’ve now been watching all the vidz I can about building clubs and starting to do my own…I’ll build sets for my sons to start (one is lefty and one is righty), and then I’ll be doing my own for now on. I have pretty much all the tools you need to do it, so why not. My best advice, if possible, is go to a Golf Galaxy or Dicks (Dicks owns GG now), or another one like it where you can just hit in a bay free…hit a bunch of different irons you’ve researched AND see if you can get them to put the shafts in them you think work for you….I did that over a 3-4 week period without having to pay a dime. Then, you’ll get a sense of what you like and what you don’t. And in the meantime, you’ll be building up your stamina for hitting balls…Then, when you have your list narrowed to the couple/few you like, if you haven’t figured out exactly what you like by then without paying, do the fitting and see how the numbers look. Since you own a GC3, you know what to look for…ball speed, spin, apex, landing angle, etc., scatter pattern…it’s not rocket science…ALSO, at least what I noticed at my local Golf Galaxy. You used to be able to hit clubs free and see all the data. Now, they turn all that off except for distance. BUT, you can rent out the hitting bay on an hourly rate. I’d probably do that my next time…then you don’t have to deal with the stress of someone watching you, suggesting things, etc…takes out that element….I wouldn’t be afraid to buy from a big box store. As AJ points out, when you go to these exclusive golf fitting places like Club Champion, they charge you retail plus for a club, but you only get the head (the retail price includes a shaft and grip that you’ll never get), and then they charge you another full charge for a shaft, and another full charge for each grip, and then try to push “puring” each shaft on your for another $35 per shaft…AND, the price of the fitting doesn’t go towards your purchase…I really don’t see any upside to these stores at all. I’ve hit enough shafts over the past 6 months to know that for every fancy $100+ shaft out there, there is a standard option or mild upcharge shaft available to get with just about any club you want…or you can at least get the set with whatever shafts/grips they come with, buy shafts separately, take them to a fitter, and for much less money have them put them together…