Should You Shoot Right Or Left Helical? Here's How To Find Out!
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2 жыл бұрынIn today's video, we are back out on the range talking arrow clocking. Clocking is determining exactly how your arrow initially spins coming out of your bow. It has been the subject of many different myths and arguments in the outdoor industry, so we rented a $200,000 high speed camera to settle once and for all what makes your arrows spin a certain way. Be sure to tune into this one to see what an arrow coming out of your bow looks like at 330% slower than what the human eye can see!
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@EllenJohn4 Жыл бұрын
Great camera work! Very valuable to see arrow flight using the high speed cam!
@Rivonpanzer Жыл бұрын
Best video I’ve seen on this subject…and I’ve watched several! I like it! Thanks for the content
@DrawnArchery 2 жыл бұрын
Great work guys! Learned a ton on this video!
@bryanstanker6812 Жыл бұрын
This was very educational, simple and direct to the point. Great job with the camera work as it shows you what is truly going on with the arrow in flight. Good to know it mostly depends how the string is oriented on the bow and not just a right-handed or left-handed shooter. I'm planning to use a single bevel broadhead this year so this is very helpful! Thank you guys for taking the time to put this together!
@raymondderr4797 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff guys wow!!! Love this kind of content
@deanbrantley 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought it matter till watching the the latest Hunting Public episode with the Rocket man. He will de-bunk everything we thought about fletching.
@Twitchisatrick 2 жыл бұрын
Great info guys! Thanks again
@bva8252 Жыл бұрын
Wow. I had no idea. I am right handed and just assumed right helical and right single bevel. I was getting worried as I was watching the video that I needed to change my setup that I have been using for years, but thankfully you calmed me down by putting it in perspective by stating it would not make all that much difference and just shoot what makes you happy. Good advice.
@theMobileHuntersEXPO 2 жыл бұрын
I clock my arrows. They clock left. I fletch a left helical and they fly like absolute darts. I make sure to tighten tips each time and when I install heads I get them güten tight. Not had an issue yet. Absolutely amazing vid gents. Keep ‘em comin.
@FishinYakker 9 ай бұрын
I have some old string was (the sticky stuff) that I put on the threads of my tips that prevent them from unscrewing. Just a suggestion.
@chriswilson3609 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the nice video I've learned a great deal on how the flight of arrows are actually doing leaving the bow
@snowkeu2327 9 ай бұрын
Great vid and testing by the way. My final conclusion after hours of research, watching vids and everything. I'm gonna get my string twisted counter clock to help the natural twist of my arrows right and fletch my arrows right. As a hunter, I would like for my broad heads to stay nicely screwed in and not loosen out. Although some would argue that you only shoot it once to get the kill. Yeah, but I'm also too lazy. So just get my string twisted once, arrows fletched for the natural spin and not have to worry about my broad heads twisting off.
@Anthony-tf3tz Жыл бұрын
Solid video. This is why I use 3 degree left helicle and use blue locktite to hold the field tips and broad heads in securely while still being able to remove later on.
@ExodusOutdoorGear Жыл бұрын
Before you used the locktite did you have issues with broadheads loosening?
@Roh_Echt Ай бұрын
Drop-Away rests and Shoot-Through rests will result in the downrange rotational reversal; string twist and vane direction dependent of course. I had an injury to my left hand, RH shooter, and I decided to switch from my drop-away rests back in 2008...to a Whisker Biscuit. Only so I never have an arrow get caught on something and bounce against a riser; with a bull elk at 10 yds again; for not having a finger to hold the arrow in place. So I've tested rotation with the Whisker Biscuit, at four to five feet (tip of arrow at full draw to target) both back then, and showed someone very recently. With it, the bare arrow rotated CCW to 10 o'clock from 12 o'clock. And the Right-Offset arrow rotates CW to 4 o'clock from 12 o'clock. So the vanes are already dictating the rotation as the arrow passes through that particular rest. Also, for those irritated beyond belief with left rotation loosening your tips...try: Bohning Ferr-l-tite Cool Flex or Vibra-Tite VC3 on the threads.
@edwardhovitz1753 Жыл бұрын
Good job for going deep into this subject. I am thinking of just using a small drop of service strength thread locker on tips and then just put the left helical on - right?
@jamesmoody4992 Жыл бұрын
Kool thanks 😊
@toddhatten354 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. About the heads unscrewing I have to wonder how many times a arrow is going to spin 360 degrees while passing through a deer. I guess a super helical might spin enough to possibly unscrew it some but i still can't see it totally unscrewing a head in a deer.
@chadsyl23 2 жыл бұрын
120 plus man hours for an inconclusive test🤦🏽 but now we know. Just to add to this 90% of strings are made with a clockwise twist due to the way the string fibers are manufactured. We did confirm that with several top string producers in the world.
@davidbartl1716 9 ай бұрын
My Mathews Z7 Xtreme clocks left and I shoot a double beveled broadhead with a left helical. Would love the industry to catch up and solve the problem of tips unscrewing. Seems simple to me.
@gordonneverdies Ай бұрын
@@davidbartl1716 It'd be cool if someone made heads with reverse threads. Until then I use teflon tape on the threads. I hear string wax works too.
@stevie9361 8 ай бұрын
When you dont have vanes matching clock then the arrow will have a dead spot for couple feet. Wind has a higher percentage to blow off target. Wind low as 3mph can move it. So it leaves bow an starts to spin left soon as it leaves arrow rest. Around 6 to 12 feet the right helical starts to turn it right making a dead spot until it can start spinning to the right
@gibsonlife573 2 жыл бұрын
I think I've seen this one other place but I think you'd better show the only ones that really have put it out there like that I think all string builders know this but thank God you guys are talking about it
@V1KTOR33 2 жыл бұрын
I use Teflon tape on my broadheads and field points to keep them from getting loose. “Shoot what makes you happy” is the best advice.
@ericwiitala5407 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking about changing to a single bevel (left bevel). My arrow clocks left and noticed my fletchings taper right in which I was going to change. Does the Teflon tape hold well enough to keep a single left bevel from coming loose or off?
@V1KTOR33 Жыл бұрын
@@ericwiitala5407 it should. I even use a plastic bag sometimes, just rip a little piece off and stretch it around the threads. I always check my arrows on my walk back and sometimes need to tighten one a tiny bit and I believe they loosen when hitting the target and not in flight which is fine with me. You could also use blue or red lock tight?.? I use that on tiny screws on my sight and rest ( I actually might do a few practice arrows with it now that I think about it).
@TheWVgoodguy22 2 жыл бұрын
As a cross dominate shooter who is right handed but shoots left I have a left hand bow. I want to build my own arrows this year and eventually go single bevel. I recently had my bow clocked with a bareshaft and it clocks left. My two cousins are right hand shooters and they clock left as well. Definitely related to the string twist. Thanks for verifying that as well.
@98blower17 10 ай бұрын
I'm in the same boat. Right handed but left eye dominant. I also shoot left helical/offset with a LSB broadhead.
@gibsonlife573 2 жыл бұрын
Lancaster' has a video showing where the arrow comes off of the bow the bow stops and mid air and incorrect and start spinning the other way away being That the fletchings are put on with the right key local are offset but the hero is really clocking left and it's Stops in mid air and corrects itself because the veins are actually making it go the other way therefore you're forcing that arrow to turn a different direction then what it wants to
@coryedd3783 3 ай бұрын
I just tested this today. My results varied from yours. Right offset and a string that wanted to rotate a bare shaft counter clockwise, at 3 yards my fletches arrows were already spinning to the right 1/8 turn while the bare shaft was left. At 5 yards the fletched arrows were 1/2-3/4 rotation to the right. And at 7 yards they were about 1 1-2 turns to the right. So it only took my setup 3 yards and the arrows had already stalled and started rotating right. Didn’t take 15-20 yards.
@jonathan_guerrero Жыл бұрын
Wow so twisting right makes the arrow clock left correct? Lol. I thought it was the other way around 😅
@collinousley6322 10 ай бұрын
So if I got a clockwise string, and shoot a left helical and a left bevel broadhead, it will try to back the broadhead out?
@mattiparviainen 9 ай бұрын
Did you try to shoot without fletching? I didn't hear you mentioning, if you tried the differently twisted strings with the same arrows than you used with other string? Also. Is your fletching straight (well, it's never 100% straight) or twisted? Also. Peep doesn't twist when shooting. How would the string twist rotate the arrow?
@jake-hofer 2 жыл бұрын
🤯
@blind-dateoutdoorssportsma547 6 ай бұрын
It matters for traditional shooters.
@jamieshelton3570 Жыл бұрын
So if i want to shoot a right single bevel and right heical then i need a counter clockwise string
@jdonez8347 10 ай бұрын
Is it wierd that bareshaft I clock slight left and with straight vanes my arrows clock right, left handed bow, w new zebra strings
@Theonezechariah Жыл бұрын
Mine go left..and I ordered the bohning tower jig with no left helical vane arms because only the “complete kit” comes with all of them…Returning it and getting the Bitzenburger like I originally planned. But it sounds like it’s not a big difference, do you want to keep tightening threads or do you want better arrow flight?
@l-a-r-k-y-y6048 Жыл бұрын
You can get the purple arms for your bohning tower jig it’s 3° left
@Theonezechariah Жыл бұрын
Got the 3 degree helical arms, but it’s a pain to get the vanes placed flush on the shaft with any of the tower jig arms. Even when the vanes are pushed to the bottom of the arms, as they should, the 3 arms don’t line up on the shaft without a lot of fidgeting, so if you can deal with a little inconsistent fletchings it’s fine. I just bit the bullet and got the Vane Master Pro from LastChance. I’ll have this thing forever, and it’s a world of a difference compared to the Tower Jig.
@michaelcolthart4006 Жыл бұрын
Energy loss isn’t what concerns me…..that would seem insignificantly small. Loose tips are of no concern either (especially since a small dab of string wax secures them in just fine). Take a bow slightly out of tune then compare broadhead flight between left and right vane configurations and do the same with an arrow you know has a bit of a wobble in it; that will tell you which is more forgiving…A spinning arrow will average out build inconsistencies whereas a knuckle balling arrow won’t.
@MikeyWoomer 2 жыл бұрын
For target I fletch left hunting I fletch right.. makes no difference for the most part. But I like Single bevel heads. And I honestly dony think u want that broadhead spinning super fast
@racerdaveracerdave 2 жыл бұрын
Where did you get the counter clockwise string? I don't even see an option for that at most string manufacturers
@ExodusOutdoorGear 2 жыл бұрын
We called a local string builder and had him twist one up for us like that for this testing
@reddawng43x91 Жыл бұрын
Lmao, just install ur string upside down
@pensnut08 Жыл бұрын
Why can't we choose our string twist?
@papyfred7817 9 ай бұрын
Right : just because with left helico, your tips risk unscrewing on impact
@user-ol4gb9ci7u Жыл бұрын
What camera you using to show vane movement
@ExodusOutdoorGear Жыл бұрын
Phantom flex
@nickoverstreet5781 9 ай бұрын
It would be nice if inserts were made with left handed threads
@reddawng43x91 Жыл бұрын
What about all the expandable heads that are offset right blades and fixed 3 blade heads that are offset right?????????????? Last I checked they don’t make ..example… ( nap spitfires ) with blades that offset ( left) ! So you lose energy fighting the way the broadhead wants to rotate!!!!!! Just like a single bevel ! Only difference is everything is right offset or strait bladed except for single bevel left heads!
@andrewofthenorth5500 2 жыл бұрын
Actually, with single bevel broadheads, the arrow spinning or not spinning will not affect the broadhead spinning upon imact. The design of the single bevel does that for you. Ranch Fairy shows that by pushing a sigle bevel into a potatoe and it twists with just straight pressure, no spin. Again the single bevel by design will twist upon imact of harder matter, i.e. bones and such. Long story short, an arrow that is not spinning at impact, the single bevel will still twist and break bone.
@austinphillips9966 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah pushing an arrow into a potato is real scientific
@gregsido9235 2 жыл бұрын
Bull 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
@rattlingjunkie Жыл бұрын
It really doesn't matter, the fletch is way more powerful than the "natural" bareshaft rotation.
@nicetryb0z0 Жыл бұрын
For stickbow guys it matters more because 15-18yds is a critical hunting distance for us. Many wont even take a shot past that so having an arrow that's fetched wrong means your fletching(again, for stickbows) is fletched the wrong way for your entire hunting distance shot. That's definitely something to consider
@rattlingjunkie Жыл бұрын
@@nicetryb0z0 I guide stickbow shooters and not one has said that makes any difference. Why does it matter with a stickbow? How long have you been doing this? Generally the young guys say stickbow and the old crew "trad".
@nicetryb0z0 Жыл бұрын
@@rattlingjunkie I literally just explained why it mattered and there was a video explaining it that we both watched. You admitting you only guide trad boomers who cant be bothered to improve themselves isnt a convincing argument. I even shoot right fletch out a compound that clocks left because I know my bow is tuned so well and flying fast enough that initial distance doesnt matter. But with trad when even the slightest deviation in form can mean throwing a shot why would I wanna add an arrow that's fighting itself all the way to a typical distance hunting shot?
@rattlingjunkie Жыл бұрын
@@nicetryb0z0 I had a good chuckle, thanks.
@nicetryb0z0 Жыл бұрын
@@rattlingjunkie that's the response I expected. You're welcome.
@nickallesclark8286 2 ай бұрын
Can a guy just flip the string over to change from left to right helicle
@camthecameraman5096 2 жыл бұрын
Another consideration with a counterclockwise string, you’ll always be battling peep twist because the string fibers are twisted the opposite way.
@huntermazzio713 Жыл бұрын
Totally Unnecessary step! Tim gillingham would agree but I guess If it gives you more confidence go for it. If you do a comparison of a left and right you will see zero difference at all
@ExodusOutdoorGear Жыл бұрын
That’s what we found!
@reddawng43x91 Жыл бұрын
Correct
@222jsa Жыл бұрын
I have archery tomorrow at school so I'm going to do that 😁
@schad8728 Жыл бұрын
My string is clockwise ( looking down at it) I marked a bare shaft and shot it. The mark was left EXACTLY LIKE YOUR TESTING SHOWS. But I shot it again and it turned to the RIGHT. SHOT it again and it turned LEFT. shot it again and it was STRAIGHT UP like it was when nocked on the string.. any ideas ?????? And I was very conscious of grip and release etc etc etc. been shooting bows for near 50 years. I’m not trying to shoot down your theory quite the opposite. I’m about to fletch some arrows and was about to order a right helix jig then saw your video. Checked my strings and ordered a LEFT helix jig but decided to shoot it just to confirm and sure enough the first time it turned left just like y guys said. But then it went right and then straight up. Just asking your thoughts…….thanks
@ExodusOutdoorGear Жыл бұрын
At what distance are you testing? Is it possible it’s doing a full rotation when it hits the target?
@schad8728 Жыл бұрын
@@ExodusOutdoorGear I was shooting as close as three or 4 feet away into a square bag, type target, which is shot to death so last night I did the same thing into a block target that is very firm. Actually, a crossbow target, thinking that perhaps won the arrow hit my worn out bag target it was continuing to spin in the target. Clock left clock right clock straight up and down it’s enough to make you crazy😂
@schad8728 Жыл бұрын
Obviously, that last comment was suppose to say when not won. My bad. But the other thing is I have four bows some with left twisted strings and some with right. I can’t fletch arrows for each individual bow so since my left helix Fletcher arrived last night it is what it is. I saw another guy that did some testing on this subject and shot left helix and right helix arrows back to back and they all grouped the same. now granted they may have stopped in mid flight and reversed rotation as your testing showed but I am not a person that shoots deer beyond 20 yards. I am a very close up Hunter, so maybe all of this is irrelevant pretty much in my world, but it is very interesting information that you have brought to light for my OCD brain to decipher. 😂😂 thanks ALOT. Keep testing and doing what you’re doing a Archery is awesome.
@sandhillssportsmen8810 2 жыл бұрын
Your helical doesn’t influence direction of rotation?
@ExodusOutdoorGear 2 жыл бұрын
Not the initial clock of the arrow. Vanes take over down range
@trevorselch5574 7 ай бұрын
Clockwise looking down or up?
@johnpetroff 5 ай бұрын
Yes it need one more reference to understand this. Unfortunately the video keeps illustrating counter clockwise arrows while stating "clockwise" adding to the confusion. Even mixing it up when illustrated using hands. If you look downwards of the cross section of the string, you would see the swirl the direction. It can help to imagine you cutting the string off and looking swirl off the edge of the string strands. Right hand bow = you hold the bow with your left hand and pull the string with your right hand. "Right hand bow" most often has a clock wise twist on the string cross section when you look downwards. Clock wise twist on the string "Clocks left" = arrow twisting counter clockwise in flight = "spinning left" = "turn to left" Personally I haven't understood how the serving affects the clocking. Perhaps some can tell me?
@rangerwilly2705 Ай бұрын
Exactly, the diagram arrows did not match the verbiage he was saying.Clockwise counter clockwise. I watch the video ten times and I'm still not sure what there saying. I might have figured it out but if I tried to explain it would be more confusing.
@kellyknight2620 2 жыл бұрын
I also thought it was string twist that determined arrow spin direction, until I saw the linked video from Paige Pierce. If you have not heard of her she is one of the best female archers in the world. Her video shows 2 different arrows clocking different directions off of the same bow. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m8iDq9Spp9eVp2w.html
@ExodusOutdoorGear 2 жыл бұрын
We had a 2 arrows out of 9 that wanted to act opposite. The string manufacturer we talked to said nock pressure could cause that
@zacharycostarella783 2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad someone else pointed this out.
@theMobileHuntersEXPO 2 жыл бұрын
🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤
@lawrencefranck9417 5 ай бұрын
It’s irrelevant
@nicetryb0z0 Жыл бұрын
The best part of this video is you guys found the yardage where it corrects. For longbow and recurve guys that 15-18yd make screams at us. Because many of us wont even takena hunting shot past that so this basically means if you fletch wrong your arrow is flying the whole way to the target with fletching thats working against the arrow!!! Wow
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