Appreciate the mention and watch of my videos, I am still on my journey to get a GT3 RS, Part 3 video coming soon, but the whole process gets more and more dirty 😂 keep up the good work 🙌🏼

You should buy/keep the car which suits YOUR needs! Dont let the politicians tell you what to do!

The point in Harry's video about battery degradation was the most interesting bit for me, along with how the market hasn't a clue how to price used EV's in reality. Could have two 4 year old EV's, same make/model, one with 75% of it's battery left versus the other with 60% of the battery capacity left depending on how previous owners charged them and they'll be priced the same when they really shouldn't. Just a huge mess that's only getting messier.

The difference why Harry went for the diesel was also the monthly cost which you both missed. The petroleum Range Rover sport was almost £1200 a month. Where the diesel was £690 a month. Huge difference

If you’ve been to Tenerife, Tony’s been to Elevenerife

The 996 Turbo you mention in Stock Watch is my car! Thanks for the shout out ✌️

Harry Metcalfe says yes to diesel.

Guys it’s not all about fuel economy diesel engines are good for towing and longevity. In Australia we go long distances and diesel are perfect for the job that’s why dual cab utes are so popular here

I’m still a fan of diesel, especially for larger cars. I’ve just switched from a M340d Touring to an X5. I was tempted to go for the X5M but it doesn’t make sense financially. Diesel is perfect for long journeys, the X5 has a range of +600 miles. Plus, the latest tech is on a par when it comes to emissions. Diesel produces less CO2

Just to point out. Since Tony mentioned about F1 regulations changing to more sustainable fuels. The World Endurance Championship, European Le Mans Series and the World Rally Championship have been running 100% sustainable fuels for years. P1 even supply the fuel to the WRC.

The difference between petrol and diesel is closer than before but diesel still wins for long journeys. The M340d was a brilliant machine. Could easily get 50mpg on motorway, easily 10mpg better than 340i. The range makes a huge difference…spend a lot less time filling up. Modern petrols do have more torque than before but they drink the fuel if you thrash them

Funny about your comment on the vantage. About the design not being a jump. Yet look how Porsche has only evolved the 911 slightly through the generations

Nissan leaf has no active cooling or heating of the battery, that's why they loose quickly capacity.

Can also throw in that in the four years I’ve been running my fiesta ST I’ve suffered 0 loss is range and performance. If anything with regular servicing and greater familiarity of the vehicle and how to keep it in its sweet spot, both have improved!

I brought a brand new X3 20i in 2022. Nearly fully loads. Get around 55mpg on motor way. And around town 32mpg. Can't complain

Very intriguing Topic I love it. As of now here in our country here in the Philippines Diesel is still the #1 choice here amongst car buyers. I recently drove an Alfa Romeo Stelvio Diesel and compared it to the current Stelvio Ti Veloce model its night and day difference in terms of consumption. The Stelvio Diesel surprised me the most despite having devilishly 210 HP for a Diesel it still coped up very well for a daily driver! Our country as of the moment is still far behind EVs but Hybrids recently gaining popularity however still us Filipinos will choose diesel cars.

Each time you are given an EV as a press car, you should get a quote for insurance as a personal buyer and factor that in to your ‘real world’ experience. Will put you off in a heart beat. Might as well set fire to your money!

went x3 3 litre diesel and very happy with it. I want to keep the car for around 5-7 years so it was really the only one to go for

I was put off by diesel for a number of years due to constant DPF issues on my last car since majority of my drives are local. But the newer ones are a lot more intelligent and perform DPF regens while stationary. Which is bringing me back round to diesel but most manufacturers are taking them off the market.

I had a Golf GTD and it was low-key one of the best cars I've ever owned. 60mpg would be the norm in that thing

Discussion on diesel is related to the UK. Here in Germany, if you're always driving fast on the Autobahn the diesel is much cheaper. I now have a c300 petrol (not a plug in) and it's around 30%+ more on fuel costs. Diesels have there place, the the outside lane on the autobahn being driven to 250kph. That's why they still exist.

Fortunately, I am old enough (56) to never have to suffer the embarrassment of driving an electric car (except for my golf cart, of course). I regularly tow my boat, bike trailer, caravan etc. I own a Range Rover V8 Supercharged and a Land Cruiser V8 Diesel.... The Diesel is just so much better at towing and fuel consumption, that I have decided the replacement for my Range Rover will also be a Diesel....

The video from Mark. One dealer said he could have a slot only if he bought 3 taycan turbo s’s. He then went to Tom Hartley and Tom said he would loose £75,000 on each taycan turbo s instantly. Mainly because the new Taycan is coming out

The battery health indicator was a huge point. It’s the deal breaker for me.

You’re right about the subs for this podcast. I swear sometimes it’s sooo goood and other times like this one it’s just ho hum bust one out, no topic centric, just whatever flies out of your mouths. I love your channel and this podcast don’t get me wrong but I guess like anything you can’t hit a home run every time it’s just unrealistic. So I’ll stay subbed, no worries there mate but yea my anger from this podcast definitely fueled a great workout!

Unfortunately Tony is off the mark here, G Class was a poor comparison as there is was a lack of details - i doubt both started brimmed. I do several trips from NE to Cambridge, each way is 260miles. Recent round trips in my two cars and also a hybrid hire car shows there is still a big difference ... mpg was calculated figures too, not trip comp. 520 miles, 2023 Hyundai Tuscon Hybrid ~37mpg @1.40p/lt (£6.36Gl). Use 14.05Gl at cost of £89.36 520 miles, 2019 BMW X3 M40D ~45mpg @1.50p/lt (£6.81Gl). Use 11.55Gl at cost of £78.65 520 miles, 2018 Golf GTD ~55mpg @1.50p/lt (£6.81Gl) = Use 9.45Gl at cost of £64.35

Good that you mentioned the Mark Mcgann video but you got it completely wrong. He was trying to avoid paying overs and then told if he bought three highly specced Taycans, if that's the electric model. He thought he might be able to sell them as new no mileage cars and not lose as much but they are so difficult to sell with the market flooded and so on each one he would have lost 75000 pounds in order to get a list GT3RS.

Suggestion for viewer’s improvement, when you’re talking about cars for sale section, leave the image on-screen for much longer. We’d rather look at the image than look at you 2 (no offence) 😅. Just gives the viewer a chance to continue to look while you may be talking about particular bits on the car. You could always have you 2 in a smaller window in the corner.

Thing is Tony, that 60 mile range Nissan Leaf did 60 miles when it was new! It’s 12 year old tech and 24kwh battery. I’ve just sold a 10 year old Renault Zoe with 95% health, but it can still only do about 60-80miles, but that’s all it could ever do!

4 weeks ago came back from French alps. It was minus 14’c overnight, minus 10’c at 7am and never got warmer than minus 3’c (at Calais), but mostly minus 6’c for about 600 miles. I filled up night before and only stopped once to grab a coffee a splash of derv and have a pee. I’d hate to think about doing that journey in an EV … 🤣

I've always had a diesel and will continue to use a diesel.... for my jollies, I have a high performance motorcycle 👌👌

"there are Nissan Leafs that have only degraded 35 or 40%". Jesus Christ! That's terrifying. That's not an "only"!

If Tony had driven a G400d va G63 on a motorway from the same year, then let's see... The 2017 vs 2019 not like for like and do we trust Tony's precision "i think I" and "similar"... Hmmmm

Ooooo that’s my lunch break sorted!

I have an id4 and am going back to diesel I'll miss the 0 to 60 take off, but I but I won't miss the recharge wait!! Ev's are perfect if your using them within a distance of recharging at home, but if you need to use public charging, from a cost and wait point of view your better of with petrol/diesel..

My brother's Jaguar XJ8 here in Florida gets 35 MPG on highway, cylinder deactivation works great in that case

Better than last week 👍

Harry Metcalfe for me got it spot on, it would appear Sam that only you think EV prices are good value and affordable, in the end people will always see through the marketing bullshit don’t you think 🤔

Well worth watching Mark Mcann part 2!

Why does tony mean when he says ‘in the trade the cayman gt4rs is under list’?

I'm old enough to remember the old days of Porsche dealerships. My dad used to buy a lot of p/exs from our local dealer. Pre-Boxster in the late '80s when the model range was 968/964 911/928 they practically begged you to buy a car. They couldn't give them away. Same with Ferrari. 308/328/348/Mondial/412 were almost impossible to shift never mind all the Maserati that the dealer had to stock just to get the Ferrari's coming through. They need to be careful because those times might be coming around again. You can only piss someone off so many times.

You are not advised to charge your EV above 80% or let the charge fall below 20%. Manufacturers can check this, and it might void your guarantee if you have a battery fault. Cost your time wasted in diversions to find charging points, wait in line, then forty five minutes to charge. If anyone doesn’t think that’s a massive inconvenience, then you’ve got too much time in your hands.

Great video

Big SUVs ie X% class and above are good as diesels..Nice torque and efficient as well.

Tony is right about 996 turbos. They are 20 year old super cars with super car bills. It has 4x4 systems, 3 radiators, two turbos, metres of coolant line. A few did get in the hands of budget tuners and neglected. I have had mine 12 years, it’s probably cost me £20k in maintenance. Needs new turbo shells, rear spoiler struts, top mounts etc. could easily be £8k bill.

Well here in NZ, government have stopped giving out EV rebates and also now charging road user charges for EV and PHEV (pre paid per km charge, $0.51 per km NZD from memory) so it’s started here but we so little

I love all of the EV talk. I live in Norway and we are really being pushed into buying EVs. I really don’t want one, but it’s hard not to consider them, when they’re about half the price of the equivalent ICE version.

Love the show

The point with Electric cars is not if you like or loathe them, it’s the fact we should have the choice of Electric, Petrol, Diesel , not forced on us.

A big argument for me against EV's is that the poorest people in society are likely to be the people least able to charge at home and will therefore be the one's having to pay the extortionate prices at public chargers.

Long term viewer here from Northern Ireland, Hello

Would love to be able to see the screen you're looking at when you're scrolling stock

An interesting topic, Inchcape looking to sell all their dealerships, as the fines from the Government for not selling enough EV,s will put them out of business

Just got a diesel F-Pace, on my commute I’m getting between 44-48 mpg. I’m not getting that from a petrol F-Pace! Wouldn’t mind an EV for myself, but a) we’ve only got one charger at home and my other half uses it for her car and b) I don’t pay enough tax to make our at work scheme save me any money. Would need to be on 45% to make it worth it, although thats a lease. Not buying one 😂

My 20 year old mondeo 1.8 petrol averages around 40 to the gallon and i own it outright.😂

The move is to be fortunate enough to have two cars, one of them an EV which is run through your own Ltd company, with your own driveway. Then you use what works best for that day

you need to get Harry on this channel!! Get it done already 😃

A diesel vehicle for us in Australia is a no brainier, but now they're putting adblue systems in normal passenger utes.

Harry also has a whole video shitting on i5 m60.

It would be amazing to have someone from P1 to have a chat in one of the next episode 👍

One journey East West ….one west east . Would wind direction not be a factor in fuel efficiency?

Guys so 3 series touring would you go for the big petrol vs the diesel ??

One of the points that Mark makes is that you can buy the six, cars, bike, watch and kiddies ride along and you still ARENT guaranteed that slot 😄

If you are charging your car at home wouldn’t that add to your power bill?

He has a good point, which I use to prove that this whole thing isn't about the environment at all: There is *_no_* system in place for recycling. We have a system in place for tires where you have to pay for the recycling at purchase as it's baked into the price of new tires. Tire manufacturers are required by law to receive old tires and recycle them. The fact that such a system is not in place for batteries which are many times more expensive problematic is *_proof_* that it's not about the environment.

Diesel forever! 10 times more reliable than a petrol or electric and cheaper by a mile to run.

43:10 Tony, the PCCB discs last the life of the car if they are not physically damaged.

where i live the petrol cars are being taxed to oblivium so much that electrics and hybrids start to look like a good deal. they will not get cheaper they will just raise the ice prices to make electric look a better option. for example the new electric macan is cheaper than the petrol one here. and the fuel is also 60% taxes, they will just taxes people out of ice cars.

New episode!!! Niccce

I agree with Tony what do you do with the battery went it dies ...no one wants the EV after the battery dies

If you do a lot of mileage, diesel remains a compelling choice - particularly in heavier cars where petrols need to work harder to get them going. I was also on the train for a GT3 but lost heart with it when, after buying a new Cayman T and then a 992 Cabriolet 9 months later, Porsche hiked 911 prices ten grand to ‘improve profitability’ and it started to feel ridiculous. I cancelled my new T order and will just buy used now.

Battery degradation characteristically accelerates over time, also affected by charge/discharge profile and the surrounding environmental conditions. Just a few of the reasons why real-world experience is not as manufacturers quote, which cannot be held liable for any disparity for the same reasons.

40 quid for a charge to drive around 150 miles? What a bargain 😂

You never factored in the horrific EV depreciation which far outweighs the fuel cost

My diesel Fpace S still had the same amount of fuel and range when I got back from a 2 week holiday. I have heard that Evs leek range over time sitting Idle.

Should really have guests on. Will change up the dynamic and get a different opinion on things. Best way to boost viewership too.

I love my sq5 d its the perfect engine

Will you make any meeting for PT followers during the trip?

Yes, the diesel still makes a lot of sense for people doing over 25-30k miles per year on longer runs…i do that mileage on yearly basis and i am running a BMW Euro6 diesel for this purpose, i keep my petrol cars for joy drives. I love the petrol engines but fuel costs do count for me. EV is not a solution for me as a long drive vehicle but only as a city car which i am considering in the near future.

The new Mazda 3.3 litre diesel has one quarter the particulate of current euro 6 and well under euro 7 without adblue..

Fully agree small EV's for cities where appropriate. EV are not environmentally friendly as one may think look at the build cost and the cycle to make a fully EV net zero - good podcast

I only do small city journeys, an EV would be perfect, but unfortunately I love having a big engine that makes a racket (And I can't afford an EV and a weekend car)

EVs have almost zero advantages. If they were so great we wouldn't even have the debate. Let's stick to what works ⛽

Love your ramblings, such a relief from the world of 24 hour news (must stop watching). However I feel I should comment on “the combustion engine does currently work for everyone”. Your right that “currently” that is the case (some inner big city dwellers may like to disagree), however project fifty years ahead and “working for everyone” may be seen to be very short sighted and somewhat uncaring. I am referring of course to the affects of CO2 car emissions on climate change (experts tell us). The problems that presents will be very challenging for some and much less so for others. In Canberra the bloody hot summers and brown landscapes of our typical summer have been replaced, over the last handful of years, by mild and wet summers and UK like green pastures. Seen nothing like it for fifty years. So if the trend continues - bring it on, “I’m alright Jack”.

I liked when u brought that F1 driver..why dont u bring guests anymore? but car industry/motorsports related. these would be really interesting conversations

Still driving a diesel as a daily. Would have one over an EV every day of the week.

Very interesting how diesel is more expensive than petrol in the UK. Here in the Netherlands diesel is cheaper than petrol however you pay more in road taxes with a diesel car 🤔

Of course diesel still has a place and yes if Diesel suits you and what you do of course buy one. I run diesel be cause I want to and because its my right to have a choice.

Just fast forwarded past EV section 🤷‍♂️

Diesel for large 4x4s like my GLE400d

Have a read of the study that Volvo did around emissions produced over the entire manufacturing process through to ownership.

New Vantage and DB 12 are stunning , hated the old ones

My next car will be petrol 👍😀 same as the one I’ve just had for 7 years 💥

As battery capacity/performance has improved, we've continually shoved more & more sh!t & demands on them. End result, we tread water; at best.

With petrol prices skyrocketing I prefer diesel. Here in my country especially ( India ) a petrol fast car for Sunday morning drives won’t hurt much. 😁

Just a few points (I work in research on the energy transition) Obviously when buying a car you need to look at your needs but..... - Tony not sure a TwinAir 1.2 Fiat does a million miles with is tiny little petrol tank. - The speed of Battery degradation in the old Nissan Leaf cars was due to poor ventilation. - The 'car battery can't be recycled' is a bit of a myth now, 95% of the material in a car battery can be recycled. - Hydrogen is not the answer for passenger cars, it's far too energy intensive for it to be cost effective. - Sustainable fuels are going to the preserve of people with classic cars and super cars; because the problem is scale. For example, Porsche thinks they'll be able to produce 100 million litres a year from 2028 which works out to be 630,000 barrels, the US consumes 20 million barrels per day Why don't you get Quentin Wilson, or even better Auke Hoekstra on?

topgear say the db12 is £185k which is a lot less than 812, a lot less than whatever the new 812 will be

People dont understand a petrol saloon with a full load in the car can not even get close to a diesel with a full load, petrol cars only match diesel car mpg wen they have 1 person onboard

New Diesel engines will sure stand the test of time. Their durability will propel oil companies to continue filling them. A reprogramming of their ECU will make them even more durable and economic. EV cost going to drop. I see professional, Company cars and transport to remain diesel territory for a long while. Diesel is the best cars we have, modern TDI are great engines all around.

Passing off a 35 minute recharging process as a minor inconvenience 🤣