As an Indian, I have seen the general civilian public of both nations treating dogfights like cricket matches which should be discouraged. Once you are in the plane anything can happen your experience can be failed by faulty machinery so to say that one pilot is better than other all depends on the circumstances of the moment. Pray for peace but if war is necessary treat it as a serious event rather than a source of entertainment. I had the opportunity to chat with couple of retired Indian pilots and the professionalism they showed was exemplary when asked they never boosted about their skills or their kills but said " The conditions that day were favorable for me" and I am sure all Pakistani Pilots would say the same.
@showtime1122 жыл бұрын
That is an excellent metaphor. These videos are primarily targeted for aviation enthusiasts. Those that generally don't care if their nation is involved or not, or who won etc. However, the 'cricket fans' are a necessary evil.
@clintwestwood5187 Жыл бұрын
Pakistani pilots would beg to differ. Did you not hear hassan sidiqui boasting about the fake downing of a Sumki? That too after losing a f16B to a mig 21...there is a difference in mindset ..anther fake hero is Alam of 65 fame ...they need fake heroes to prove their "superiority " over the hindus. Our guys do their job and quietly move on. We don't make museums with mannequins or ads making fun of the enemy.
@pilotosdecombatedeescritor4308 Жыл бұрын
Wise comment
@MegaPunisher777 Жыл бұрын
Indeed very true words by the Indian pilots, jay ho to the both sides of the conflict, if I may say so...I really hope these two nations will live in peace and harmony forever.
@animangaweeb85016 ай бұрын
Peace is impossible until Pakistan becomes like Bangladesh.
@GauravDhandhukia2 жыл бұрын
I live in Jamnagar where this airbase is. At that time electricity of the city was cut down, airforce had already set up a town like structure few miles away, they kept those structure lit/flashing and enemy dropped their bombs exactly there.
@showtime1122 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@davegeisler78023 жыл бұрын
In a turn fight its the Mig 21 all day and twice on Sunday.
@ivynbean3 жыл бұрын
Why turn fight on an energy plane, f104 had excellent handling for what it tbh, it’s a capable air superiority fighter
@Deveerox2 жыл бұрын
Depends on altitude, and if the mig slows down to turn in the F104 could just bug out or withdraw to reengage on their own terms, if the 104 is smart enough to keep the mig in their comfort zone, and keeps energy
@Deveerox2 жыл бұрын
@@ivynbean Ehhh 104 is by no means a superiority fighter, it was an interceptor, but it could handle itself well enough
@davegeisler78022 жыл бұрын
@@Deveerox agreed 👍 slash , lock on , fire missiles and bug out , that was the Starfighters forte.
@shubhadeepdas5312 жыл бұрын
Good one.. many years later seeking closure on the outcome Middlecoat's daughter actually spoke with the pilot who had shot down her father...they had long warm discussion about the unfortunate incident...goes to show how for professional soldiers enmity is limited to war only...and at some level they sincerely feel for their counterparts on the other side...
@showtime1122 жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting. I've actually recently come across a text about this. Such stories sometimes happen long after wars are finished.
@Eric-kn4yn11 ай бұрын
Sincerley felt for enemy WTF then it didnt stop them from killing each other so make no fiing difference if they were blood thirsty killers ok dead id dead no matter
@shanksinha813 жыл бұрын
Dear Showtime112 thank you for rendering this episode. I read about it 15 years back and saw a water colour painting of it. To see it in live action is surreal! What stands out is that the AA3 didn't work, most probably because launched at too low an altitude, by this time both aircrafts were already supersonic! BB Soni switched to guns and accomplished a supersonic gun kill, against a very fast and maneuvering target. A rare feat indeed. Thanks again for giving us this.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Thank you for that amazing comment, I'm glad you liked the video. I wonder what that painting looks like..... :)
@shanksinha813 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 It's oil on canvas I think, saw it many moons ago but left an impression on me images.app.goo.gl/piXRPoYeDgmY7WHx8
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
@@shanksinha81 Thanks for the link. I wish I had know about it before, I might have set the tail number right :)
@shanksinha813 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 A 1997 article in Vayu Aerospace mag gives excellent details. The below site is one of the best references on Indian Airforce history www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/history/1971war/1287-supersonic-combat.html#gsc.tab=0
@Eric-kn4yn11 ай бұрын
Thank the computer gunsight
@komradekomrade7845 Жыл бұрын
Indian military is seriously very underestimated. My friend who works in the RAAF, speaks highly of the IAF. He says "they sure do have russian platforms, but those platforms are filled with israeli and western tech, making them a force to be reckon with". IAF's su 30 mki are no joke either, and the we all know about the mig-21s. Anyway good to have them on our side in the QUAD.
@germanboy7673 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think it’s underestimated I think it’s more that people don’t understand how large India and its military is, you have units comparable to the best Nato units and then you have units which are worse equipped then some Taliban. Same for the airforce on the one side you have Su 30MKI and Rafales on the other Mig 21 and Jaguars which are just extremely outdated. I mean it’s the same with Pakistan the Mirage 5 and F 7 pale compared to J10 and F16s. The only place where one side is better than the other is Tanks, the VT-4s are better than T90, Arjun and T72s
@mmd4882 жыл бұрын
Seeing these aircrafts today on static display as monuments makes them appear so low tech. But in 50s and 60s, these were state of the art. I can only imagine what people would have felt when they first saw them. It's like seeing Tesla for us today ☺️
@showtime1122 жыл бұрын
The most exciting period in aviation history, if you ask me 😁
@Archer892013 жыл бұрын
Finally my request has been fulfilled, thanks mate and excellent video as always. Also the Pakistanis tried what the Israelis did in 1967 by conducting airstrikes against IAF airfields but they didnt have the similar capability and the Indians had anticipated and prepared by their own studies of the attack.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment, glad you liked the video. I will probably reenact one of hose airfield attacks too. Sabre is available so it looks promising.
@CaptPrice_2 жыл бұрын
because they lack in fuel for that attack and it was response of india intruding in East Pakistan
@REDTTURTLE2 жыл бұрын
Very bad error to use an interceptor as a ground attack airplane. AND WITHOUT BOMBS !!!!!!!!!!!!
@ashishbhatt68742 жыл бұрын
Pak AF was totally eliminated in 71...After the war not a single.PAF plane was fit to fly or was there to fly
@CaptPrice_2 жыл бұрын
@@ashishbhatt6874 Wikipedia 1971 war and I saw total different thing
@alejandrocasalegno16573 жыл бұрын
Hit with cannon fire a F-104 with the very small silhouette hundred the meters ahead was very impressive!!!
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Took several attempts to do it 😁
@IncoreFirearms3 жыл бұрын
Finally! This was the first time when the chased pilot managed to evade the missile.
@daimsoldier46533 жыл бұрын
bruh pakistani pilots always evade the missile
@ernestoflores57713 жыл бұрын
It means that they are the best !
@BelgianDneprGuy20033 жыл бұрын
to be honest, I really think ED should make modules of more underappreciated aircraft like the F-104 Starfighter..
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Well, there is a definite shortage of Cold War jets in DCS. Perhaps more modern ones sell much better.....
@doc70003 жыл бұрын
It cost a lot of money to develop these models, with the small player base of a sim like DCS world that cost has to be spread among a small number of people. If someone makes an F-104 and almost no one buys it then they would have to charge like $1,000 in order to make their money back, in this business model it is harder for a company to produce less popular vehicle.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
@@doc7000 That definitely makes sense. But then again, some teams developed various trainers and aerobatics aircraft. Modules like F-104, F-4 or Mirage III should outsell those dozens of times. Or am I missing something?
@doc70003 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 some of those other aircraft like acrobatic ones probably dont cost nearly as much to develop. Also some trainers are actually popular like the T38 might be a popular enough trainer, the F4 is popular enough that it will sell like hot cakes just probably not the f104 even though that would be an instant buy for me.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
@@doc7000 I suppose that availability of data is probably one of the most important factors. But, good news is that older aircraft modules are being developed. For example, that MiG-17 was such a nice surprise recently.
@shantanunewse21183 жыл бұрын
@Showtime112 Kudos bro !! Thank you on behalf of our retired IAF veterans !!🔥🔥🔥👍👍👍👍👍👍🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
You are welcome. I'm glad you liked the video!
@AlistairSaldanha2 жыл бұрын
An outdated Indian Air Force Mystere shot down a Pakistani F-104 Starfighter over Sarghoda in 1965. Four Mysteres hugged the ground for 200 miles and took the PAF by surprise. See "The Battle for Pakistan" by John Fricker.
@showtime1122 жыл бұрын
I'll check it out. Sadly, we don't have Mysteres in DCS.
@orneryokinawan45293 жыл бұрын
Despite it's safety record it sure is cool looking. Looks like a missile lol.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Oh yes, it never performed well in real combat but it's still totally cool!
@eswube3 жыл бұрын
Actually, it's safety record was not because of the faults of the design, but because it was used for something it wasn't intended for. F-104 was meant to be a point-defence interceptor against Soviet bombers attacking US mainland - take-off quickly, gain altitude and speed, shoot down the attackers and return - all while flying straight lines at high altitude and with fairly light armament load. Instead, it was used mostly as low-level fighter-bomber, flying at low level, often in poor weather, doing lots of maneuvering while heavily laden. Countries that used Starfighters "as intended" - for air defence (like Spain or Japan), actually had losses no worse than other supersonic fighters of that period.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
@@eswube That is very much true, F-104 was never designed to be a low level bomber. On the other hand, most aircraft end up doing things that they were never designed for.
@moonbear21303 жыл бұрын
@@eswube also, most jet aircraft of this had relatively atrocious accident rates compared to modern fighters. iirc, 1/3 of Australia’s mirage fleet was lost to accidents.
@Archer892013 жыл бұрын
@@eswube maybe some blame must be on Lockheed who sold them to nations as such when they were looking for multirole(by standards of those days) aircraft and bribed their way over the competition ( Mirage III and Draken)
@LockOnNow3 жыл бұрын
Great Historic Content storytelling as always but it's not only that which makes it worthwhile seeing no it`s the way Showtime112 puts it together with the passion and the time he invested you can make it out and to get it up and across us. The Germans lost 292 of 916 aircraft and 116 pilots from 1961 to 1989, its high accident rate earning it the nickname "the Widowmaker" from the German public. So I would say! Never use something for which it is not made for. The F-104 was also called! The Missile With a Man In It. Early Starfighters used a downward-firing ejection seat like the models XF-104 (modified by Lockheed) and the C-1 downward ejection seat F-104 A, B, C, D The IAF Indian Air Force is the largest operator of MiG-21s. On 11 December 2013, India's second-generation supersonic jet fighter, MiG-21FL was decommissioned after being in service for 50 years. Built under license Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. more than 60% of the Mig-21 were license-produced in India. India built 657 MiG-21FL, MiG-21M, and MiG-21 (of which 225 were Bisons) these are upgraded MiG-21s. I don't really know if that is true. I was told that by today they still have a fair amount of Mig-21s left trying to sell them off.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Thank you for yet another comment. Luftwaffe service was indeed the most controversial use for the F-104. But even there, after a while losses dropped significantly. I seem to remember that Erich Hartmann strongly opposed to acquiring the F-104.
@LockOnNow3 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 Most Welcome. For the ones who don't know, Erich Hartmann 1922-1993 he was the World's most successfully German WWII, Air Ace, with 352 confirmed kills mainly over the territories of Russia. He helped to rebuild the German Luftwaffe from 1956 onwards again.
@cabocastigo2 жыл бұрын
love how the Starfighter looks so Sci-Fi nowadays or in the sixties
@VC27 Жыл бұрын
The correct serial number of Wing Co Middlecoat's F-104 would be 56-773. As per records available on the net.
@proofbox3 жыл бұрын
The F-104 had one mission , engage a enemy bomber fast .And fast it was , but a air to air fighter very limited . The MIG 21 on the other hand was a versatile low cost supersonic fighter that enjoyed a long service life and was used for a lot of different missions . In North Vietnam the Bulk of their fighters were the Mig 19's but they also had about 35 Mig 21's they were held back to engage the American B-52's as the F4D Phantoms were better fighters and as mentioned they only had a few.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
People often comment on that. But that's not so uncommon. Military aircraft are often designed for one specific task and then later asked to do a lot more. Phantom was designed to be the fleet defender but it ended up doing air superiority, bombing strikes, CAS, SEAD.....Perhaps F-104 was more limited to begin with so it wasn't very successful in other roles.
@Leptospirosi Жыл бұрын
first of all , the 104 in Pakistani service was an A, a VERY basic plane with not very reliable engines and basic targeting system and no RWR, or decoy systems.. This being said, the F104 is an outstanding fighter plane in the right hands, which means relying on sustained turn rate at high speed and out accelerating your enemy with ease. If you keep the plane above 380 - 400 Knots nothing could touch you (except may be an F106). The Mig 21 (unless it'sa BIS, and then you should compare it to an S Starfighter) was marginally more manoeuvrable below 350Knots , but the engine was always problematic, forcing the pilot to watch how the power stick was shifted, and above, 350Knots even a Phantom could out turn it, let alone an F-104. Mig acceleration is sluggish and no where near a Starfighter. Here the pilot made a fatal mistake: lack of awareness and trying to outmanoeuvre the opponents diving on him at high speed by pulling in the vertical. The Migs simply had much more energy in that situation. What he could have done is engage in a Scissor and then pull away once the Mig has lost his energy advantage: they were even equipped with gunpods! There was possibly, in his defence, poor communications, with his wingman doing nothing and letting him in a hopeless 2 vs 1 situation. You don't venture in enemy territory with a faulty plane and keep going just to strafe some well defended target: going alone against multiple enemies in modern combat is a death sentence.
@Leptospirosi Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 The Phantom (at least the B/C/D/N versions) was about as manoeuvrable as an F104G, a heavier plane then the A/C version. the F-104 advanteg increases exponentially with speed. You can download the PDF of the phantom and the Starfighter pilot's handbooks and compare the flight envelopes. What experioenced pilots in a Phantom (nicknamed Rhino for a reason) did when facing more manoeuvrable opponents was to keep the energy advantage and out turn them in sustained turn ratio. This was easily done in an F104, which had definitely better power to weight ratio, and could very easily out accelerate a Phantom. The secret, as Chuck Yeager was telling the Pakistani pilots in 1965 while trainign them, was to stay fast. Unlike today, where IR missiles are almost impossible to dodge, in the sixties and seventies they had VERY short range and faulty seekers, meaning you could outmaneuvre them. That's what often happened in the Iran-Iraq war, The six Days wars ad the skirmishes between Mirages F1 and the Mozambique Mig 21: they were often solved with guns. The problem is that any rookie can learn insitictively how to pull on the stick and turn away, but it takes an experience and tactical pilot to use the plane energy excess to his advantage. As in a chess game you have to plan ahead and bring the enemy whee you want him to be. Here the Atoll seems to have missed and easy target and guns were used to kill the target. This being said, If an enemy jumps on you from above, you lack situationa awarness and your wingman is totally useless, there is very little you can do, even in a 4th gen fighter plane. The Pakistani shouls have aborted the mission rather then risk a strafing mission with a crippled plane in a wing of 2
@TheRobman1393 жыл бұрын
Very cool video. Two of my favorite classic jets!
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yeah, I like those too.
@fawadgillani23042 жыл бұрын
F 104 was a third class product. Only speed, no manverability
@GaryCameron3 жыл бұрын
Canada flew F-104s before they switched to the F18s. I've seen one up close, those wings are really stubby. Perfect for an interceptor, insane using it for low level ground support. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadair_CF-104_Starfighter
@LockOnNow3 жыл бұрын
Am I right Canada will be purchasing the SAAB Gripen in the near future to come instead of the Lockheed F-35? And only three of seven F-18 fighter jets purchased from Australia by the Canadian government have been integrated into the air force so far, and the Department of National Defence says key upgrades to as much as one-third of Canada's fighter force will take up to five years.
@GaryCameron3 жыл бұрын
@@LockOnNow The Australian F-18s are a stopgap while they figure out what is next. It's really a political football.
@alexandermakrianis3 жыл бұрын
@@LockOnNow I think Canada would be better off with the Grippen, Rafael, or Eurofighter. They could afford more of them and have a very capable combat aircraft. The F-35 isn't the best choice for a lot of the countries that planned to purchase it.
@skaldlouiscyphre24533 жыл бұрын
Actually, the tiny wings help with low level missions. The high wing loading helps contribute to stability at low altitude. If you look at other high speed/low level strike planes like the Jaguar, TSR.2 or some of the Soviet designs of that era, they've all got fairly small wings. The swing-wing designs in that role are compromising performance to achieve a shorter take-off, which was in-line with doctrine at the time which worried about having runways available in the event of war. The designs with longer swept wings were typically optimized for more stores and a longer range while maintaining strictly subsonic flight, a lot of them were naval designs as well (A-6, A-7, Buccaneer).
@connorcolquhou58452 жыл бұрын
I like the sound of the Griffin it definitely has the better price tag. We might actually be able to get away with a few F35s with the Griffins honestly.
@darshandave1811 Жыл бұрын
I am living in Jamnagar, I have seen MiG21 flying over town and a Gnat parked in a garden.
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@pakistanairscouts44373 жыл бұрын
want to see paf f104 dogfights with their various kill records as the paf was the only air force who have achieved kills with the f104
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Actually, Taiwanese F-104 scored two confirmed kills against Chinese MiG-19s.
@fuffoon3 жыл бұрын
The F-104 is a most beautiful aircraft even though it was relatively (completely) ineffective outside of its original purpose of intercepting bombers. Of course, we have no empirical evidence that it was capable of that either, thank heavens.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
I think it was a bit unlucky as well. Pakistanis only had a handful of them. And in the Vietnam, it was mostly kept on uneventful missions where it had no chance to kill any MiGs.
@Hornet1352 жыл бұрын
It’s original purpose was not intercepting bombers.
@eternalgamer6742 жыл бұрын
The PAF found the F 104 to suffice in high level interceptions and shot down several Canberras but was incapable in low level interceptions. The Indians soon found that out and after a few days at the start of the 65 war they resorted to hugging the ground and pulling up when near the target. This tactic was also used by the PAF but they didn't predict it being used against them.
@jdsaldivar5606 Жыл бұрын
82ND AIRBORNE A jet engine with wings...yep...the Widow Maker.
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
VSN is improving their mod, it should be fully standalone with a proper cockpit and avionics. I'll probably redo some of these videos in the future.
@samnigam34513 жыл бұрын
We made a mince meat of PAF in 1971 War...😂😂😂 70 Pakistani planes were destroyed in air combat ground attack with a loss of just 30 aircrafts.
@htastemaster71883 жыл бұрын
I think international figures show a different picture. Despite being outnumbered the PAF was able to dominate the skies in the West. They were fighting an insurgency and civil war in the East ( now Bangladesh) where a lot of planes where lost on the ground. In dog fights in the West, Pakistani pilots acquitted themselves with distinction against the Indian pilots.
@hater-0-1543 жыл бұрын
@@htastemaster7188 Insurgency, yes. Civil War, no.
@htastemaster71883 жыл бұрын
@@hater-0-154 You are right I suppose but I am trying to say the Pakistani Military was fighting within and outside against India - they were in essence fighting with one hand tied behind their back thousands of miles off in current day Bangladesh. The outcome was a foregone conclusion.
@rasanasarangi37723 жыл бұрын
@@htastemaster7188 “ paf was dominated in the west” really then why didn’t you send paf jets to air support pak army in battle of longewala and why didn’t you protect Karachi harbor when it was under attack, it was clear that paf in the west were losing because not only iaf have more aircrafts but better technology and improve defense capabilities. That’s why you couldn’t bomb properly all iaf airbases in 3rd December 😂
@fawadgillani23042 жыл бұрын
Paf was 100% depended on united states. But dye to 10 year weapon embargo, we have nothing to fly except danaged and used aurplanes of 1965 war. Where as iaf got mug 21 plant installed in india in 1967.which makes the dufference. Other wise tea was fantastic on 27 feb 2019.
@akashchakraborty43983 жыл бұрын
The story was actually real.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
That's true.
@smellyfella50773 жыл бұрын
"Mervyn Middlecoat"....can not get more Anglo sounding than that
@alexandermakrianis3 жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I thought. I wonder if the PAF had mostly mercenary pilots at that time .
@smellyfella50773 жыл бұрын
@@alexandermakrianis Middlecoat was a Pakistani..born and breed. However his parents must have been big fans of the British Empire era when Pakistan was part of the Colonial Crown for his parents to give him such a name.
@alexandermakrianis3 жыл бұрын
@@smellyfella5077 very interesting, thanks for the information. It really seemed unusual to me when I read that name but now it makes sense.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
@@alexandermakrianis He was actually a man of mixed, part English ancestry. Obviously from his father's side. It's mentioned in the video.
@alexandermakrianis3 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 oh ok, I was trying to listen to see if it was mentioned. Great video by the way. It was interesting to learn how the F-104 was employed in the attack role during this conflict.
@barodarockers2 жыл бұрын
First time in history that two bisonic fighters came in air to air combat
@VC273 жыл бұрын
That was Mervyn Middlecoat in the PAF F-104. His body was never found in the shark infested waters. R.I.P.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
That's right. Kaiser Tufail mentions that he ejected over some marshes though. A little bit of discrepancy there.
@BillPurkayastha3 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 The original news report at the time said he ejected over the sea.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
@@BillPurkayastha That version seemed more likely to me too.
@tomk37323 жыл бұрын
War of 1971 was probably the biggest defeat Pakistan ever suffered. In less then 2 weeks Pakistan was crushed and surrendered. Imagine they started the attack that lead to India entering the war! IAF flown more then double the number of sorties of Pakistan. Through IAF is generally seen as taking higher losses in equipment it translated into almost 3x as many killed on the ground for Pakistan and total collapse of its army.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
That was the strategic situation, generally speaking.
@rishithaurora2 жыл бұрын
Well 93000 pakistani troops surrendered after that war.... biggest military surrender after ww2
@arandomguy0072 жыл бұрын
pakistan army was fighting 1600 miles away from Pakistan surrounding three sides into Indian territory.. No ammunition supplies no reinforcements.. Only 2400 regular were deployed and rest were paramilitary just to counter the uprising.. There was nothing big achievement for India as pakistan army were almost at the edge of lose against the Bengli rebels And Indian just entered 12 days before war ended.. If total army was collapsed as you said then india would have conquer all of disputed kashmir region.
@amjadkhan-jv6xj2 жыл бұрын
For your information it was india which attacked in East pakistan to which retaliated from West pakistan.
@amjadkhan-jv6xj2 жыл бұрын
@@rishithaurora 93000 figure was for all the people from West pakistan working in East pakistan including civil servants, civilians staff and their families . There were only 35 to 45 thousand fighting men.
@vrrajasimhasimha45363 жыл бұрын
We must think about China from now.Leave Pakistan....
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
And how do you know Pakistan wouldn't join their Chinese buddies in a possible war against India?
@fawadgillani23042 жыл бұрын
I think u forgot 27 feb 2019
@angshumandutta96542 жыл бұрын
@@fawadgillani2304 How you forgot East Pakistan (Bangladesh), Kashmir 60%, Siachen glacier,Kargil Heights.
@CaptPrice_2 жыл бұрын
@@angshumandutta9654 50 % Kashmir and Bangladesh is still s Muslim country. 1971 was politicians game and 34k were fighting 1 million intruding force in East even in 1971 PAF scored 3 to 1 kills against IAF and in every war and conflict PAF has 2 : 1 kill ratio. In Kargil India loses were greater.
@SunilKumar-gx7bp Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 they don't have money to fund the war.they are international beggars 🤣🤣see their economic conditions brother/sister
@magma48003 жыл бұрын
Great video. Also why do you only put 2 missiles on Mig 21 where you can put 4?
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Thanks. The number of missiles is for greater historical accuracy. Newer variants such as bis could carry four missiles. But older ones such as F-13, PF or FL could only carry two. So when I want to emulate these older ones, I only put two missiles.
@jaiastro6663 жыл бұрын
Your work is genuine
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, I try to do things at least a little different than everyone else.
@ussmassachusetts11542 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 You do it perfectly
@showtime1122 жыл бұрын
@@ussmassachusetts1154 The most positive comment ever 😁 Thanka!
@696pk2 жыл бұрын
War in the west Pakistan started on 4th Dec 1971. Pakistan s port city karachi was attacked repeatedly for the first few days of the war by mysteres and hunters of Indian air force during the day time from jamnagar airfield. During the night PAF B57 bombers would bomb that IAF base to keep it from night bombing of karachi. However ,during the day the other combat aircraft of PAF..sabres could hardly be used .as it was known that the Indian base was defended by mig 21s .to keep them busy during the day f 104 was used for hit and run attacks. This was not a dogfight. The starfighter had to fly straight to it's base for it was not having enough fuel. .no maneuvering..so was a sitting duck for a high speed diving mig
@rajabhai94093 жыл бұрын
Mig 21 is all times best air warrior.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Well, maybe not the best but it certainly has an important place in the history of military aviation
@fawadgillani23042 жыл бұрын
No doubt
@abhrabiswas43253 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. You can make another video on "Battle of Boyra". It was happed in Eastern side.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion. I will check if assets for this event are available.
@BillPurkayastha3 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 Folland Gnats (Indian) versus F 86 Sabres (Pakistani).
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
@@BillPurkayastha Unfortunately, there are no Gnats in DCS.
@PappaBear_yt3 жыл бұрын
Ooooo, shiny! 😁🥳😉👍🏻 I press like. 😎
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Thanks again! Everybody seems to like the Starfighter :)
@busterhymen81173 жыл бұрын
My understanding was the F-104's ejection seat came out the bottom so the pilot wasn't cut in half by the tail.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Originally yes. But these aircraft were refurbished before delivery to Pakistan and received new engines and new upward firing seats.
@sajjadalikhan7860 Жыл бұрын
Downward ejection, not true, it was tried during development but was deemed unworkable due to front undercarriage. F104 and MIG21 were both designed as high speed interceptors, F104 was faster and MIG21 slightly more manoeuvrable, hitting with gun fire was matter of luck in both aircraft, it is very difficult to get target for more then few seconds, neither type has long endurance, rate Middlecoat was burning fuel he most likely wouldn't reached back to base. PAF in 65 and especially in 71 didn't have any attack aircraft, loading couple of bombs on fighter aircraft was never going to win any war, even today majority of their aircraft are purpose built for defence, for offence they heavily rely on missiles and smart kamikaze drones, With limited resources, that is the only sensible option. Pilots training costs are heavy drain, unmanned fighter and bomber drone is third of the cost, salary, pension, continuous training of human pilot. ground crew all disappear, AI computer brain only needs to be trained once and you can mass produce, with economy of scale further reduces cost. This is why PAF collaborating Turkey and China.
@Tamburello_19943 жыл бұрын
Excellent storytelling once again, mate -- thanks.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@shubhamde32052 жыл бұрын
I knew that only Pakistani Army operates mercenaries but today I got to know that PAF also had mercenaries.
@showtime1122 жыл бұрын
No, there's no such info in the video. Middlecoat wasn't a mercenary but a Pakistani of partial English ancestry.
@shubhamde32052 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 did I say there was a mention? It's completely my opinion
@zube20072 жыл бұрын
@@shubhamde3205 and as they say about opinions they are like assholes. Everyone has one.
@victormikecharlie1596 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this great videos, please go ahead with this
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate this comment, there's a lot more coming up!
@mattwright11012 жыл бұрын
The f194 looks like a knife.. sleek and sharp while the mig 21 looks really good in a mechanical reliable very soviet way… very good video👍👍👍
@showtime1122 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I suppose you could say that the difference in looks is about equal to the one between American and Soviet cars of the same period :)
@mattwright11012 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 that’s very accurate
@neerajnongmaithem3922 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 American cars from the 60s and 70s were a class of its own
@showtime1122 жыл бұрын
@@neerajnongmaithem392 Quite right.
@envitech023 жыл бұрын
Great renditions!! So lifelike!
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
DCS made a big step forward with 2.7 and new clouds, it shows here
@guaporeturns94722 жыл бұрын
Imagine being in an F-104 and and trying to dogfight a MiG-21.. or dogfight anything for that matter.
@pontiacGXPfan3 жыл бұрын
F-104 Starfighters aka the missile with a man in it
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Yup, that's what they sometimes called them :)
@crimsonfury78113 жыл бұрын
westerners flying coffin
@sexysilversurfer3 жыл бұрын
Also nicknamed the “widow maker” as it had a bad habit of killing its own pilot.
@montenero693 жыл бұрын
@@sexysilversurfer Yes .....when used for stupid missions !
@renatoandricevic86383 жыл бұрын
MiG-21 i dobar pilot, dobra kombinacija
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Da, ovdje je to dobro funcioniralo. Istina, osmatračka stanica je dojavila dolazak Pakistanaca na vrijeme. Ali Middlecoat nije uspio nadmanevrirati MiG-ove niti im, pobjeći usprkos velikom iskustvu.
@crimsonfury78113 жыл бұрын
9:10 lol this felt like MiG peeing on someone
@lollol-uw7mf3 жыл бұрын
those guns r painful to use
@tomc.28083 жыл бұрын
Best looking aircraft in aviation historie
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
I'm sure many would agree with that!
@LockOnNow3 жыл бұрын
Would say one out of the Top Ten list.😉🛩✈️
@Lucifer-dz6eh2 жыл бұрын
Odmah Like! Thanks for remind me!
@showtime1122 жыл бұрын
Thank you, keep watching!
@santabanta81732 жыл бұрын
and that was the end of middle coat!
@SelfRaisingWheat3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Pozdrav iz Južna Afrika moj prijatelju.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. Pozdrav i tebi!
@shahidmehmood79449 ай бұрын
Indian military always over estimated Where as middlecoat,his daughter was my best ffriend, she always jumped in the any of discussing about his father.
@adchirnabil2105 Жыл бұрын
you the best
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your feedback!
@yaboilebred43223 жыл бұрын
Amazing video as always!!
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the comment!
@yaboilebred43223 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 you deserve it! Still hoping to see the Dutch F-16 vs Serb mig someday ;)
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
@@yaboilebred4322 Oh, that's still in the long-term plan :)
@yaboilebred43223 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 anytime bud, i keep learning from these video's!! I really love all the fights you cover
@devidattagiri50002 жыл бұрын
Excellent real time coverage
@showtime1122 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment!
@d.cypher29203 жыл бұрын
Cool video. Hey i didn't realize you were Croatian (?). Zdravo, kako si? Je napricham hrva samo par rechi... Moje ime je 'Rika', Drago mi je da sam te upozhnalo. I'm not sure if that's correct, but it's been a long time. (That's about all i can remember..except stuff I would only say to a lady. 😂😂) My friend Sanja, is from Bosnia Herzegovina, she was so pretty, i learned pretty fast...for obvious reasons. Cook channel, cool video. 😎🇺🇸
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
You are much better than Google 😁 Thanks for the comment, glad you liked the video!
@d.cypher29203 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 thanks brother. No problem, you have cool videos. I particularly like the history part. Be well, man.
@takaharatanaka88183 жыл бұрын
Good video Thanks for the hard work.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching and commenting!
@abdulbasit88453 жыл бұрын
With love from Pakistan
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for our comment!
@ulisesvelez58462 жыл бұрын
in the war of december of 1971 the pak-af used the f-104g. the f-104 the first supersonic jet in his air force.
@Xuseen Жыл бұрын
What were the pakistani generals thinking, sending a lone F104 to do a ground attack mission on an Indian air force base
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
The idea was to maintain constant pressure on the airbases and tie down assets in defense which could otherwise be used for something else. Starfighter's speed was judged a good enough defense.
@Xuseen Жыл бұрын
@Showtime112 That makes sense..I am curious how the other F104 missions like this went and what the impact of this strategy was in a total analysis
@12thhorseman3 жыл бұрын
@Showtime112, around 12:00 you show Middlecoat ejecting from his F-104. You have him ejecting upwards. Are you sure that's right? The early Starfighters were designed to eject downwards, though I'm aware that they eventually replaced the downward ejection seat with a Martin-Baker.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Actually, F-104s delivered to Pakistan were refurbished with new engines and upward-firing ejection seats. But even if this wasn't the case, there's nothing I could have done. DCS is not animation software. It's a simulation and I can't do much about the way models are programmed.
@Tamburello_19943 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 I'm calling bullshit here.... ;-)
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
@@Tamburello_1994 Let me guess, there's a video of a former F-104 mechanic who claims that once you install a downward-firing seat in a plane, it can never be changed. Even if you install an upward-firing seat, it will still fire downward? 🤣🤣🤣 I know history books don't mean much to you but others can check Peter Davies' F-104 Starfighter Units in Combat, page 73, chapter Asia Goes Double Sonic
@Tamburello_19943 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 You can most certainly say I value personal testimony, I wouldn't just discard them. I find first person accounts usually are more reliable -- at least in a court of law. No in this case its purely a case of tongue and cheek I just couldn't resist... Be well !
@Eric-kn4yn2 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 did not the f 104s dump their drop tanks before combat. It seems SOP. for fighter a/c
@AyushYadav-zo6vo2 жыл бұрын
The end of the day matters they win or lose war and they loose
@showtime1122 жыл бұрын
That's not what this channel is all about.
@DCSWORLDPAK3 жыл бұрын
Hey, great stuff. Is the F-104 skin your own or its the one for the German F-104 mod. Thanks.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Thanks! As for the skin, I adapted the USAF skin for the VSN mod. It's not done well enough so I didn't share it but it's good enough for a video.
@DCSWORLDPAK3 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 awesome, actually it looks great, we are making a Pakistani VSN F-104 skin for some Air Force Day videos (7 Sep) will share it with you. Hopefully it's done in time.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
@@DCSWORLDPAK Oh, cool! I could use a properly done Pakistani skin!
@ivanjalaluddin44583 жыл бұрын
Great beginning! Suggested future improvements.... during this war the IAF MIG 21s were FLs ( locally produced as the type 77)the equivalent of PFs .They had a thinner dorsal spine and a forward hinged (thinner) cockpit canopy ...amongst other visible differences to the MF/Bis variant depicted here. Also some interesting tactical issues(confusion) which prevented the second Starfighter from being also shot down.Luckily the MIG wingman narrowly avoided shooting a missile at his leader ( Soni) as he came in front of him!
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion however, you can't just make changes to an aircraft module. It is what it is and bis is the only one available in DCS. The best thing you can do is carry only two missiles. The F-104 also isn't correct, it's a G model while Pakistanis had A models.
@simulatedpilot34413 жыл бұрын
Yeah he doesn't have the option to change that in DCS. The 21 in game is the one made in RU
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
@@simulatedpilot3441 Thanks!
@ratagris213 жыл бұрын
Anything new on the Falklands conflict? Such as Capt Philippi's attack on the HMS Ardent as his flight shot down and he was the only survivor. Lived to fly another day when got back to Argentina.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. Falklands are definitely going to wait for the release of the Falklands map. The exact date is not announced yet but hopefully, it should be this year.
@ratagris213 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 great to know. Thank you for the update.
@Lemard773 жыл бұрын
It would also be quite uncanny given we don't have most of the planes that flew there, at least in their proper variants. Community A-4E and AV-8B look too much different to the early A-4 and Harrier FRS1. Now that I think of it you could recreate Owen Crippa's discovery of the British fleet at the Falklands sound with his MB 339, and his brave attack on HMS Argonaut with only guns and rockets.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Well, Argentine Skyhawks might look different to the one in DCS due to lack of the hump but it's almost certain we will never have another variant of Skyhawk. As for the Harrier, Razbam gave some hints they would develop Sea Harrier module but that might take years. The suggestion for Crippa's mission is a good one, I will certainly consider it.
@unb0xer9572 жыл бұрын
tea was really fantastic
@savamomirovic44393 жыл бұрын
Odličan video. I MiG-21 da dočeka da bude nadmoćniji. Jedan od mojih najomiljenijih prostora. Možda bi mogao da snimiš skorašnje rušenje f-16 od strane miga-21. Pozdrav
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Hvala! Moram malo istražiti priču sa MiG-om i F-16. Čini se da ju neki osporavaju.
@savamomirovic44393 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 greška pri kucanju, jedan od mojih najomiljenijih aviona. Čitao sam o osporavanju tog događaja. Gledao sam i video gde je vršena analiza koji avion je pogođen. Dokazano je da je F-16.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
@@savamomirovic4439 Malo ću to istražiti u budućnosti. Moj F-16 zasad uglavnom skuplja virtualnu prašinu u hangaru :)
@TheGranicd3 жыл бұрын
@@savamomirovic4439 Па и није доказано. Пакистанци су показали 2 Р73 и 2 Р77 од МиГа21. Тако да ништа није лансирао. Индијци су показали снимак радарске слике у том тренутку али то не показује бог зна шта.
@savamomirovic44393 жыл бұрын
@@TheGranicdja sam šta sam gledao, nikakvi vojni snimci, snimano je sa zemlje od strane očevidaca
@VC27 Жыл бұрын
As I may have mentioned before, please correct the tail insignia of the PAF Starfighters. The crescent and the star point towards the tail / rear of the aircraft. If I were Pakistani, I would take umbrage. Great, unbiased documentary other than that minor glitch.
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I might do a remake of this video one day if they develop a high-fidelity F-104 module for DCS. As for serial numbers, they are not always accurate. Some of those skins don't allow simple selection of numbers but an separate skin needs to be created.
@Mistralflights3 жыл бұрын
How do you get those colors in dcs ? Reshade ? Looks neat bro
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Yes, I use some reshade filters. Sharpness, filmic tones and one of the technicolors.
@likireddy7732 жыл бұрын
You can also post a video on mystere vs starfighter , mystere was flown by sqd ldr A. B. Devaiah of Indian Airforce and PAF F-104 Starfighter flown by Pakistani pilot Flt. Lt. Amjad Hussain
@davegeisler78023 жыл бұрын
Thats not even fair the F104 is NOT a dogfighter , heck it takes two states at speed to make a turn !
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
The sources are not describing precisely but they say something like 'The Middlecoat's F-104 wasn't able to outrun or out-maneuver the MiG-21s'
@wandering_dervaish3 жыл бұрын
the planes are beautiful
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Nothing like the Cold War classics!
@mig21pilot3 жыл бұрын
Ive flown both fighters and as much as it pains me,Id take the MIG-21.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
You can certainly say it was a very successful design.
@davegeisler78023 жыл бұрын
The Mig would eat the Starfighter for lunch !
@CaptPrice_2 жыл бұрын
@@davegeisler7802 US Air Force Brigadier ‘Chuck’ Yeager, head of the US Military Assistance Advisory Group in Islamabad during the 1971 war, says in his autobiography that “the Pakistanis whipped the Indians’ asses in the sky… the Pakistanis scored a three-to-one kill ratio, knocking out 102 Russian-made Indian jets and losing 34 airplanes of their own…”
@ks66982 жыл бұрын
@@CaptPrice_ Yeah,he was just bitter because the IAF destroyed even his personal commute aircraft which was parked on a pakistani airfield 😂😂
@hssp15342 жыл бұрын
@@CaptPrice_ ..thats strange coz in the end PAF lost air superiority in like 2 days..so the data on the kill ratio doesn't support the outcome where IaF gained air superiority..data has got to be made up probably to keep the pakistani people in a false sense if victory
@jacobthewarthogpilot53 жыл бұрын
Cool video!!! Do you have the mod link by chance for the starfighter? Thanks!
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Link is in this forum: www.lockonforum.de/community/thread/7654-f-104g-starfighter/?s=e3e6ba659bffc27f9b6154c430b8cf695d8c93d7
@zapszapper9105 Жыл бұрын
should have got closer before firing his missile
@limingchung91303 жыл бұрын
F-104 not fit for dog fights but intercept
@kondor99983 жыл бұрын
It’s a shame the the F-104 DCS mod is actually an F-15 under that lovely F-104 body. They appear to have simply used the F-15 flight model.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Looks something like that, yes. However, I'm grateful for even this. Those VSN mods really helped me because the Cold War period is covered quite poorly in DCS.
@kartiktiriya26123 жыл бұрын
This was the 1971 war were with a fleet of 200 approx new supersonic aircraft the 100 mig 21 and 100 su 7 INDIA dominated the air war against Pakistan the F 104 star fighter could not do much against INDIA and new nation of BANGLADESH was born.
@billyponsonby Жыл бұрын
I wonder if an F-104 was ever successful in action? Genuine question.
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Do you mean has it ever shot down enemy aircraft? In 1965 Indo-Pak war, it claimed one Mystere, one Indian Navy patrol plane and possibly, one Canberra. In 1967, Taiwanese Air Force clsimed two MiG-19s. But other than that, it flew a number of combat missions which can be called successful.
@darinr94243 жыл бұрын
Hilarious watching a 104 try and stare the ground
@saeediqbal3264 Жыл бұрын
Will u make a video on PAF strike on pathankot air base in 1965?
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Maybe, I need to research more about it to see if we have all the available resources.
@CaptPrice_2 жыл бұрын
PAF has 2:1 kills ratio in every war
@ashishbhatt68742 жыл бұрын
What is the point in arguing my opening batsman played better than yours when you have already lost the cricket match so badly.
@CaptPrice_2 жыл бұрын
@@ashishbhatt6874 but PAF scored more kills in fair fight, you indians are two proud in surrounding east Pak army by 15 to 1 that shows level of your courage and bravery. You can talk to yourself bye bye and last 1971 was 50 years ago Abhinandan and Ladakh is fresh thing and you can't fight two ffronts
@ashishbhatt68742 жыл бұрын
@@CaptPrice_ Pak lost the war & SURRENDERED shamefull which is the only reality world remembers....India used its resorces & won...What's wrong...If your cowards had the courage they would have fought to the last man rather than Surrendering to the India army....Also why don't you recall Pak had far better NATO armaments than India..Pak was part of NATO, SEATO, Cento etc military alliances which India was NOT....India fought on its own courage & planning...Also what happened to your muslim superiority complex of 1 Muslim vs 10 Hindus...Pakistan lost badly in Siachen, Kargil & was screwed badly by Indian pilot Abhinandan who shot down F16.
@CaptPrice_2 жыл бұрын
@@ashishbhatt6874 keep watching godi media because fifth floor of Serena hotel exist by Indian media just like imaginary F16
@shuban49882 жыл бұрын
@@187a3 1. *4 of your Fighter Jets we Captured in Bangladesh when your* Pilots ran away when Pakistan 🇵🇰lost the war(if you need Proof then come *Delhi's Arts & History Museum we have it on Display and they're the original ones and we don't clean them because those Planes should be dirty like Pakistan* :) ) 2. *India 🇮🇳literally cut your country in half when we Liberated Bangladesh* 🇧🇩 3. *More then 93,000 Soldiers* (BC 93,000 Soldier's कुछ इज्जत है तुम लोगों की?) were captured and we made a World Record there in 1971 4. *We sunk your Submarine* (though reports say it was sunk by accident) in 1971 when it came to destroy our 🇮🇳AirCraft-Carrier Vikrant. *93 Pakistan Naval Sailor's died because of that nothing to be proud of. *5. *Indo-Pakistani war of 1965 we won* 🇮🇳. We killed 5,800+ Pakistani Soldiers and won 474442.332 Acres of land from Pakistan🇵🇰. 6. *Indo-Pakistani war of 1947 also we won* 🇮🇳 but didn't gain much from it except from the fact we could laugh on Pakistan :) 7. *Indo-Pakistani war of 1971 also we won* 🇮🇳 and took away East Pakistan and made it into Bangladesh🇧🇩, destroyed 20 Pakistan🇵🇰 Fighter Jets and 200 tanks and bloody captured 93,000 soldier's. 8. *Kargil War also we won* 🇮🇳 and killed 700 Pakistani🇵🇰 Soldiers and we returned 249 bodies belonging to your soldier's as a gesture of peace.☮️ 9. *Your PAF Atlantique strayed into Indian Territory in the 90s with weapons and 18 naval sailors on boards butwere killed when they tried to make an offensive maneuver on the Intercepting Mig-21 which forced the Mig-21 to shoot them down* 10. *In 2019 Balakot we entered your AirSpace* (proving your Air defenses are useless🤡)and dropped bombs and damaged one building and injured one guy. What did Pakistan do in retaliation? It came with American F-16s and tried to destroy our AirBase but instead got chased away as soon as they Indian Fighter Jets🇮🇳....yes you'll shot down a Indian Fighter Jet but what was the point of it? The world laughed on India🇮🇳 and Pakistan 🇵🇰 ...u wanted to talk in paragraphs here is your country's list :) And speaking of your present state is gonna make you cry so nvm....bas yaad rakh baap,baap hota hai :)
@tariqalshammari59403 жыл бұрын
باكستان زنداباد 🇵🇰🇸🇦
@georgebarnes81633 жыл бұрын
The MIG never had a problem, those F104 lemons jus fell out of the sky, mainly due to lack of wings.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Yeah, sources describe that Middlecoat couldn't outrun or out-maneuver the MiG in this case.
@davegeisler78023 жыл бұрын
Exactly ! They just took to long to turn.
@CaptPrice_2 жыл бұрын
US Air Force Brigadier ‘Chuck’ Yeager, head of the US Military Assistance Advisory Group in Islamabad during the 1971 war, says in his autobiography that “the Pakistanis whipped the Indians’ asses in the sky… the Pakistanis scored a three-to-one kill ratio, knocking out 102 Russian-made Indian jets and losing 34 airplanes of their own…”
@joydevsarkar4474 Жыл бұрын
@@CaptPrice_yep Pakistan also won the war east Pakistan still exists, wake up to reality man
@CaptPrice_ Жыл бұрын
@@joydevsarkar4474 I was talking about air kills Dumbo
@ulisesvelez58462 жыл бұрын
in this dogfight both pilots demostrated good dohfight. but the best win. mikoyan+gurevicht mig-21 vs. loocheed f-104.
@showtime1122 жыл бұрын
The pilot who got shot down was very experienced. It was probably the initial advantage that the MiGs had which was decisive.
@darkassassin41662 жыл бұрын
good video, nice dogfight
@showtime1122 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment!
@Ramiiam Жыл бұрын
Dogfighting in an F-104. Was that really a thing? From what I understand it was a very limited plane that could go fast but carry little, and maneuvered poorly.
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
Essentially, that is not wrong. But Pakistan had few modern, supersonic jets in the conflict and they had to use whatever they had.
@sanskarkumar64842 жыл бұрын
❤❤
@willwoodward22813 жыл бұрын
how do you have a black cockpit in the mig 21?
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
There is a mod which gives you that option. I don't have a link now but I think I pasted it under another comment.
@shahidmahmood67962 жыл бұрын
those days pakistan facing alot of senctions around the world due to its nuclear programme..
@davegeisler78023 жыл бұрын
The F104 was beautiful to look at. That was about it.
@jakovhrga56193 жыл бұрын
Dobar klip
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Hvala na komentaru!
@34500dauphin3 жыл бұрын
Hello mate; good video i don't know if it was the fight where F104 shot down above sea and pilot body never recovered because ...eating by sharks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! location gulf of Kutch. F104A was a former jordanian plane but have downward ejection seat Lockheed C1. Now waiting your Mirage F1C video!!!!
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. This seems to be the event you are talking about. The exact destiny of Mervyn Middlecoat is not known, sharks are only a guess. However, this wasn't a former Jordanian F-104. It was F-104A 56-0773, an ex USAF model and those were refurbished before delivery to Pakistan. They received new engines and upward-firing seats. Jordanian F-104s were only leased but they never crossed the border with India for political reasons. Mirage F1 is waiting for the module release, not yet determined. So far, there's only a mod which looks alright on the outside but borrows the cockpit from other aircraft. The module is developed by a team called AvioDev. You can check them out on Facebook.
@dominiqueroudier94013 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 yes mate. Just check on a book written by René j Francillon about F104. 56-0773 was F104A-15-LO and shot down. Your 56-0874 is a F104A-25-LO. Found info about this kill on aviation safety.net.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
@@dominiqueroudier9401 Thanks for the info.
@dominiqueroudier94013 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 hello mate. For your own info, "your " F104 56-874 Was delivered in a batch With 3 others :868. 875 .877. June1961 And 21FL have a belly GP9 gunpod , not and internal gsh 23 twin barrel. As you said . Not available for vidéo. Now will watch your Last vidéo mig 15 vs F84🙋
@fawadgillani23042 жыл бұрын
Marvin was hit by missile, not by bullets
@showtime1122 жыл бұрын
I don't know, the sources I found are very specific. They say that a missile was launched first but it missed. However this MiG was carrying a gun pod and that the weapon used.
@therocinante34433 жыл бұрын
So back then, US was giving Pakistan F-4 while India was getting Mig-21 from USSR? Military history is interesting... Did you know that Iran STILL operates F-14's? It was the only country to get them outside of the US.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
India was supposedly interested in American aircraft but they had already been allied to Pakistan so they turned them down. India ended up buying MiGs as a second choice but it really didn't turn out badly fir them. Pakistan was embargoed by the USA after 1965 so they started to diversify. Bought F-16s, got embargoed again... they probably wouldn't buy from the USA any more if they got 80% discount 😁 As for the Tomcat, I'm glad it's still flying somewhere.
@therocinante34433 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 Wow, you just taught me a little something.. And as for the Tomcat, SO AM I!
@ElCineHefe2 жыл бұрын
What a shitty dogfight for the F-104.
@RajeevSingh-kq8fl Жыл бұрын
Please make vedio on SABRE SLAYER. Indian
@showtime112 Жыл бұрын
You mean Gnat? We don't have it in DCS. There's this Swedish trainer which kinda looks like it and a mod should be available. Maybe I'll approximate the Gnat with it.
@RajeevSingh-kq8fl Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 yes Gnats
@RajeevSingh-kq8fl Жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 @Showtime112 The Gnat is credited by many independent and Indian sources as having shot down seven Pakistani Canadair Sabres[b] in 1965 war 2. The most notable action was the Battle of Boyra where the first dogfights over East Pakistan (Bangladesh) took place. The Indian Air Force (IAF) Gnats shot down two PAF Canadair Sabres and badly damaged one. 3. Another notable dogfight involving a Gnat was over Srinagar airfield where a lone Indian pilot held out against six Sabres, shooting two Sabres in the process, before being shot down.[33][34][35]. 4.The Gnat was referred to as a "Sabre Slayer" by the IAF since most of its combat "kills" during the two wars were against Sabres despite the Canadair Sabre Mk 6 being widely regarded as the best dogfighter of its era.[36][37][38] Source: wikipedia
@daliborrasic4843 жыл бұрын
Ja kada vidim kako sa njim letiš,dođe mi da ga odmah kupim.ali kažu da je sa njim dosta teško.
@showtime1123 жыл бұрын
Znaš onaj reklamni slogan 'just do it' :) MiG-21 je kompliciran po pitanju samog letenja. Osjetljiv motor, visoke sletne brzine itd.. A opet, sistemi su mu vrlo jednostavni. Kod novijih tipa F/A-18 je obrnuto. Relativno lako je savladati letenje ali dok naučiš sve one radarske modove, senzore, sva moguća naoružanja..... Kad bude iduća akcija, kupi ga!
@abhishekverma-tg5jk2 жыл бұрын
F-104s are better than mig-21 in BVR combat
@showtime1122 жыл бұрын
Actually, neither of them originally had any BVR capability. It was only added with some later modifications such as Bison or the Italian F-104S.
@viewpoint5686 Жыл бұрын
Who said that?
@tyskerbarn51712 жыл бұрын
we need medicines, education and food. not fighter jets!
@showtime1122 жыл бұрын
I'm always 'fascinated' by people who watch videos that are clearly not made for them.
@tyskerbarn51712 жыл бұрын
@@showtime112 I too. And I'm always 'fascinated' by the comments too.