Im DCS player, but you have to understand that in WarThunder there are hundreds of planes (+ tanks and ships), and in DCS there are only few tens. So DCS is more like quality over quantity.

woah who could have known a simulator cockpit had more fidelity than a war thunder model???!!

For me is the afterburners ... like gaijin should reeeeally do something with all afterburners in all of the jets of the game They look really really bad compared to DCS

To be fair, MiG-29 has been in DCS for years and Warthunder just added it, so ED had much more time and importantly experience with 4th Gen fighters. I hope Warthunder adds the 'Auto' State of flaps in modern jets like F-16, MiG-29, etc. even F-5E has some level of automatically adjusted flaps that you don't need to worry about and they engage in several states According to what the plane is put into by the pilot.

at least they could add a little bit of flare resistance to the r27t. Even the magic has a better flare resistance

One thing I hate about the visuals is the afterburner themselves. WT just has bunch of 2D textures slapped on to mimick a 3D flame. It just doesn't work. And they copy paste is everywhere. It looks cheap. And let's not forget the lack of wing condensation from high G maneuvers and the god awful shock cone vapour.

The only problem in WT for me now is the sounds and radars...at least for the 4th gen should be they actual radars

On the WT side, it seems like you have the mouse joystick set to "Simplified" mode, which limits the controls A LOT Although, there is no discussion necessary when it comes to DCS being absolutely better than WT

As a DCS and War Thunder player...DCS ruined top-tier air combat in War Thunder for me. The big issue for me is the player base. In top-tier War Thunder, I see a lot of people who bought a top-tier premium and have never played bottom tier. But because they can hit two or three buttons and have the best missile in the game, they can sometimes get a kill. In DCS, if you buy an F/A-18 without knowing how to fly...you're not even getting it started up, much less off the ground and you're hours and hours of skill away from even thinking about engaging in a dogfight. In other words, DCS makes you WORK for things, unlike War Thunder where you can just pay to jump into a top-tier air battle. It took me days of playing DCS to feel comfortable starting, taking off, flying and landing my MiG-29. I spent over a year playing this aircraft and became halfway competent with it, but even after a year I still feel like a novice when I jump into lobbies with good players. The big downside to DCS is that it is a simulator game. In my opinion, you need to make a big investment in hardware (HOTAS, head tracker, etc) to be competitive in DCS PvP. I know people are going to argue with me on this and say "I'm a top-level PVPer in DCS and I use my grandmother's typewriter", but the reality is that almost all of the top PvPers I know in the game have extensive and expensive set-ups that give them a competitive edge. War Thunder you obviously don't need this since the game is pretty barebones and arcade, so that's a big plus for War Thunder. However, if you truly want a flying/aerial combat experience...War Thunder can't hold a briefly lit match to DCS.

In my opinion dcs is more realistic but war thunder is a more playable game.

I’m a top 100 wt player (51st last I checked) with 8 years of playing this game. I will tell you that no one cares about full fidelity or even coming close to fidelity. We care about a fun, somewhat balanced video game. Most of us competitive players have the game set to ultra low quality anyway. It’s about the competition, and that’s it. Not fidelity. People go to DCS for that. Also in sim controls in wt, use keyboard commands and you can pull more aoa

Honestly the IR missile problem is all across the board in WT. It should be fixed.

MORE MORE MORE, love to see how radar, turn time, missle gs, r60m flare resistance , high alt acceleration compare!

why are you comparing a realistic milsim to war thunder 💀

War Thunder doesn't even have keybinds to flare and chaff separately yet.

at the beginning of the video in DCS when you were showing the plane there was a canopy on the ground behind the plane lmao

WT for a Free game is amazing, DCS you pay for. very big difference, I can't knock WT the ability to jump into a game and get almost instant action

I think the flaps animation in WT is kinda right because I was close to a Su-27 and it has slow flaps movement speed

I mean to be fair were dealing quanitity versus quality, not to say war thunder doesnt put effprt into their models, but at some point they have to limit that, theres 2500 playable vehicles in war thunder and every plane (excluding bombers) has a detailed enough cockpit, new vehicles are released monthly at this point

The mig 21 nose goes in like in real life

I left War Thunder around a year ago and focused on playing DCS only (i hopped between DCS and WT for some time). That is if i want planes. If i want tank action, i play GHPC. WT is a goner for me, maybe i will try it out some day again, but... i prefer quality. Anyway, good video.

I mean after the latest major update they at least fixed the head down display in the corner to actually be correct now in War Thunder, at least on the German MiG-29A, can’t say for the Russian one but I’d assume they did.

Just a note simplified controls have a max aoa u have to use standard to use plane normally

bind control for ptich up / down and select full real controls ,disable everything and go in sim mode. with this type of control you are using in wt,not allow you to make a loop just go up and down

as a war thunder player i feel like if the mig 29 seems to not like to pull the nose anywhere at all that all the other planes (f14, f16 especcially) must have flight performances like starfighters, because the mig 29 is the best at just pulling the nose into someone and just shoot something into the enemies direction and hit. about the r27t, that is true for basically every ir missile thats not a sam missile

7:19 remebering A4 Doug?

Since the takeoff test on warthunder was done on a hot map may that impact takeoff performance due too less air density?

That's the HUD. HMD stands for Helmet-Mounted Display. The MIG-29 HAS an HMD for use with its R-73, but that's not what you're talking about.

You should make comparison against WT Simulation mode. Realistic mode is somewhat realistic, but still have adjustment to make better player experience in cost of realism. Lots of asists, G-locks etc. it has been known for some time that you can pull much more from aircraft in Simulator mode.

i aso felt that i war thunder, the manuvering test i mean and the problem you mentioned happens because of using mouse as a joy stick, it is kind of inconsistent and gets stuck in war thunder, the same goes for keyboard controls although that s ovious

War Thunder sim mode is basically DCS F2P lite lol.....any other mode like AAB/ARB and GAB/GRB are more like differently named arcade game modes.

I love people saying it's 9-13S (it's not, it's a 9-12 shown in DCS) and not 9-13 like WT, that's completely irrelevant, 9-12 and 9-13 should have the exact same cockpit, R-27T will not have different flare resistant because it's launched from different aircraft, the flight model should have minor changes but it should not lose 90% of its AOA

Recuerden; no se pueden comparar los dos juegos de manera directa porque uno es un full sim (sin modos arcades ni realisticos), el otro es un aracde con modos realistico y algo de sim que no por eso signifíca que es un full simulador. War thunder are not intented to be a full sim game.

And that's why i quit war thunder for dcs over 7 months ago

I think its really strange how the instructor for War Thunder restricts the Mig-29 so much, When flying in full real on sim It can turn with the F-16, But the F-16 doesn't get those same limitations. The mig 29 should always be out turn the F16, Aside from 350-500 knots The F-16 has it. Also, Around 07:00 While using full real if you don't have "Toggle SAS" bound which I didn't see you change your elevators you can get a bit more AOA but still not up to par. Even with it basically being the 29A.. It really upsets me lmao

If only WT took more pages from DCS, if even just for realism sake like the engine animation and stuff

Those are not full real controls, you have to put your controls in standar mode Right now you use the simplified mouse joystick controls, that don't let you control the plane to the fullest

did you have damping on in warthunder?

The author compares the DCS to the arcade mode of WarThunder. You might as well compare the DCS to World of Planes by Wargaming.

War thunder still better due to the player freindly controles set up also Our jets don't crash into the ground from pitching slight down and pulling up

but, DCS focuses on realistic looks, details and graphics, while War Thunder has to make its 1800 (Helis, Planes, Tnaks, Boats and Ships)

Better in accuracy is DCs,on the other hand i never think of DCs like a game... more of a simulator . On the other hand... WT is a game. Realistic enough (against Ace Combat etc.) , but nothing to do with simulation. For example the missiles, they do have the "general idea" of how the missile works, yet they tune things to their liking to create some artificial balance while keeping the differences . It's not that they don't admit it. The characteristics of the planes are ^relatively^ correct in general...But not DCs correct. One question though, what controls you used in the WT part...? Did you use joystick or mouse joy?

War thunder is newer and specialeses in tanks boats and planes

use IRST radar with r27t in warthunder....

In War Thunder you pay for expediency, in DCS you pay for quality. That's the biggest difference the games have to offer. The product is just different.

In terms of AoA, in DCS you have to pull past the stick limiter in order to get the really high AoA. Maybe WT just models the limiter as always on and doesn't yet have a way to turn it off

In war thunder you have over 2500 vehicles for free in dcs you have 2 planes and some vehicles for free but for something special from the game you need pay i want to see us airforce to pay 16 dolars for f15e

"Radar is just trash" I'm not sure you realize what you are comparing it to

8:33 ı hate it when ım playing wt fr , ı mean how tf a missile stop track just 1 flare its no near realistic or arcade wtf

Cobra in WT? Either use stick or set the mouse-joystick mode to whatever the 2nd option was called. In the first place, I don't think comparing DCS and War Thunder is fair when it comes to which game is closer to reality. WT started out as arcade plane shooter game, grew big over the years and finally released simulator mode along the way. DCS on the other hand is a Simulator first and foremost. So if you're asking which game is better, then, the answer is it depends; War Thunder is the better game at fast paced quick matches with easy to learn controls, DCS is the better game at Simulating real-life combat aircraft with all the detail and hustle that it offers arguably in a scale of 1:1

MiG-29 in War Thunder is MiG-29 (9.13) Idk what variant is in DCS but it might be MiG-29S (9.13S) Edit: or it's a MiG-29A (9.12) which original base edition

War thunder are more focus on money cash grabbing pay-to-win game. Nerfing every missile in the name of balance.

Man is comparing a flight simulator to a PvP multiplayer game 🤣

War thunder don’t have mig29 it has mld upgraded version 😂😂

Cuz of the crying afraid of Russian bias as they think,while sometime aim9L can't be flared

War Thunder is free but DCS it's more expensive, not to mention you need expensive controls. In my opinion wt to be a free game designed to be played in massive multiplayer, it is a thousand times better than dcs, greetings

you from algeria?

There is no comparison. DCS is a flight simulator. War Thunder is an E-sport with military vehicles, definitely NOT a flight simulator. Not even Simulator Battles count as flight sim because it’s just RB but you’re stuck in the cockpit and don’t get those markers above vehicles.

Bro ure literally comparing a hardcore sim to a arcade/ simstyle f2p game :D

dcs is a far far superior game/ Simulator to war thunder. It's not even close in my book.

Now compare Warthunder t95 with world of tanks t95 🤭

Lmao dcs is flight Sim and war thunder is military vehicles based mmo u can't compare them

wtf did they do to its aoa.

I dropped $250 on patch day for the mig29 and was only able to ge about 5 modules. I then bought the mig 29 on dcs for $9.99 and then kicked myself in the balls for giving money to gaijin

I dont think this is properly made test.

i mean as a dcs mig29 MAIN and as a retired war thunder player i must say that the 29 in wt is nice but it has HUGE flaws compared to the DCS

My favorite phrase about Gaijin and their replica of MiG 29. Balance Balance are need it. Thats why they are nerf 27T and remove R73. In fact USSR doesnt have any Flare or Chaff resistance rocket, But wait minute who has it in War Thunder :) Phoniex most balanced rocket in the War Thunder game :)

If WT was too realistic it would be boring like DCS. It’ll never get the popularity that WT has because it’s trying too hard to be (real). Why you think “Sim shooters “ games don’t last long because COD isn’t to Realistic

War Thunder is just not serious. 🙂 Every time I see kids playing in it. And if I ask them to sit and try DCS they end in not willing to play it. 🙂

War thunder=Game.. it's for kids. D.C S. World= Simulator it's NOT for kids, it's not for anyone who has to ask somebody else's permission. If the clock on your microwave still flashes 12:00, DCS is not for you, you do not have the discipline the resolve or the technical skills to be anything more than a airborne Target.

everyone forgets WT it's f2p, a money grabber, not a good game, it's supposed to be a good money making machine, realism comes second btw mig in dcs vs WT comparison comes out cheaper after all in DCS, counting less loss of nerves, f16 too and WT cant fight vs DCS. Dcs better sim, WT good arcade game and grabber machine not sim.

eyyy Algerian mig 29

Yeah yeah, DCS is better, no kidding, but war Thunder is more of a game than simulator.

To be fair, DCS runs at just over 30 fps when on the same machine I run War Thunder at 120 fps capped.

Dont cry

dcs runs like shit tho, you can only run it smoothly if you have a computer from NASA, war thunder on the other hand runs very well

Why compare DCS to War Thunder? A better comparison would be DCS and MFS. War Thunder IS NOT REALISTIC by any sense.

can yall stop comparing dcs to war thunder

Sad, but War Thunder's MiG-29 and F-16 flight models is complitely pieces of shit. I hope that will be fixed but I doubt. And i hope MiG's HUD will be get the lead point when you put the enemy in radar lock, but i dubht again, cause Gaijin don't like to fix so complicated things like cockpits or flight models. They usually fix some simple things like aircrafts flatter, missiles overload or something else what they can fix just by changing the only value in txt-document.

You don't dog fight with flaps in most jets you'll just break them.

There are some things that I agree with but when you did that take off test I saw you were trying to pull up in DCS a whole lot sooner than you did in war thunder and then the Cobra thing that you did yeah you did like the total opposite that you did in DCS so you're totally one siding one the game over the other and not giving an actual fair test and I watched you go into a cobra as you were complaining about not being able to go into a cobra and then you pulled out of it and didn't say anything and then when you said the wheel doesn't move I went back and I watch the DCS part and yeah you're plane does go from left to right but the wheel doesn't physically move and you're talkin about dead zones in a game maybe turn your dead zones all the way down to zero you wouldn't have to wait forever to turn GOOD JOB PROVING NOTHING

Nice

You can't even compare them, as they are two different mediums with very different goals. It's like comparing math to philosophy...

why compare a realistic combat sim with a shit arcade game ?

DCS is a whole ass simulator War Thunder is for fun and not full seriousness (im estonian so dont mind my typing skills)

Russian mains should be thankful that Gaijin added the F-16 not the F-15 because the Eagle has dangerous AoA that can beat the Mig-29 it has high thrust as it was built for that and of course can carry 4x AIM-7Fs and 4x AIM-Ls

what can i say warthunder is for children it sucks

WT is garbage 😂😂😂

There is no reason to blame the game wich is not going for realistic but going to take money from players

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