Fiona Hill - Rather than a Real Threat NATO was an Irritating Barrier to Putin's Imperial Ambitions.

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GUEST: Dr Fiona Hill is a British-American foreign affairs specialist and author.
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From 2007-08 Putin came to believe that the West was in decline, degenerate and weak. It’s at that moment he pronounced a more assertive Russia, and started to act accordingly on the world stage, and in relations to neighbouring countries, with the invasion of Georgia in 2008, and Crimea in 2014. NATO provocation is one excuse given for Russian aggression and is prominent in domestic Russian propaganda. But it’s unlikely he saw NATO as a threat and must have known they had neither the intent nor capability to directly threaten Russian territory. Afterall, why would they when Europe’s economy depended on Russian gas and oil? Rather he may have seen NATO as an irritating barrier to his new imperial ambitions to unite the Russian speaking world, and former colonial territories.
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SPEAKER:
Fiona Hill is a British-American foreign affairs specialist and author. She is a former official at the U.S. National Security Council, specializing in Russian and European affairs, and was a witness in the November 2019 House hearings during the first impeachment of Donald Trump. She earned a Ph.D. in history from Harvard University in 1998. She currently serves as a Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution in Washington and will take up office as Chancellor of Durham University in England in summer of this year. She recently served as deputy assistant to the president and senior director for European and Russian affairs on the National Security Council from 2017 to 2019. From 2006 to 2009, she served as national intelligence officer for Russia and Eurasia at The National Intelligence Council. She is author of “There Is Nothing for You Here: Finding Opportunity in the 21st Century” and co-author of “Mr. Putin: Operative in the Kremlin” (Brookings Institution Press, 2015). Hill has researched and published extensively on issues related to Russia, the Caucasus, Central Asia, regional conflicts, energy, and strategic issues.
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BOOKS:
There Is Nothing for You Here: Finding Opportunity in the Twenty-First Century (2021)
Mr. Putin: Operative in the Kremlin (2015)
The Siberian Curse: How Communist Planners Left Russia Out in the Cold (2003)
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#ukraine #ukrainewar #russia #zelensky #putin #propaganda
#war #disinformation #hybridwarfare #foreignpolicy #communism #sovietunion #postsoviet
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@toby9999 Жыл бұрын

Russia attacks it's neighbours, russifies them, takes away their independence, persecutes its citizens, commits genocide and then wonders why said neigbours don't want a repeat.

@andremacko5408 Жыл бұрын

Completely agree. Although I'm sure Dr. Hill understands that point, she seems to avoid directly stating that and goes off onto tangents and into nuances about Western diplomatic misplays in dealing with Russia. Poppycock! The interview hit it on the nose at the start of the interview when he said Putin based his expansionist play on MYTHOLOGICAL history. Also the academic failure of Western academicians to clearly state the difference between Rus'-Ukraine and Moscovia-Russia (Rosiya) plays into the Kremlins hand in falsely blending the history of two different territories and definitely time lines.

@captain34ca Жыл бұрын

America showed them how.

@krakhedd Жыл бұрын

@@captain34ca America didn't even exist before the Russian Empire, bub. Try again!

@pouncepounce7417 Жыл бұрын

@@captain34ca Yeah all the area the US conquered from canada....

@BearAnkles Жыл бұрын

@@captain34ca clown comment

@martindice5424 10 ай бұрын

Fiona Hill is a very knowledgeable woman. A privilege to listen to her.

@divumque Жыл бұрын

The USA occupying Europe? Those who believe this absurdity need to see how happy are countries like Poland, the Baltic countries, Romania etc welcoming American forces and American military sites in those countries. American and NATO forces in general represent the security of these countries and a barrier against Russian aggression.

@teutonalex Жыл бұрын

America just attacked an allied country (Germany), destroyed its economically vital energy infrastructure and caused a massive ecological disaster in the Baltic sea. The America that built the post 1945 world order no longer exists.

@paolodandrea4299 Жыл бұрын

It's a fact tho that the USA is occupying Europe, or at least part of it. I was born and raised in Italy and I can tell you that Italian sovereignty is limited based on USA interest, so I have a really hard time to see Russia as my enemy since they never did nothing harmful to Italy

@ennediend2865 Жыл бұрын

@@paolodandrea4299 You should check the definition of "occupation"... You should try Russian occupation You would know the difference . Washington didn't chose G. Meloni as PM : Italian people elected her...

@paolodandrea4299 Жыл бұрын

@@ennediend2865 this might sock you but there isn't any Russian military bases in Italy but there is plenty of US military bases. When it comes to Meloni sure she was elected by Italians but right before the elections that everybody new she was going to win the co-founder of her party Grosetto flew to Washington to assure US that nothing was going to change. If you are aware of Meloni political history you would know that her foreign policy is completely different of her views before becoming PM

@eh1702 Жыл бұрын

“ It's a fact tho that the USA is occupying Europe” What utter crap! Almost everybody in Europe has never personally seen an American military uniform or vehicle. Utter stupid ignorant bilge.

@ned900 Жыл бұрын

Gold Standard Guest

@rwbmusic Жыл бұрын

Roger Waters, and others who insist that Russia was provoked, needs to hear this perspective from Fiona Hill and amend their stance.

@mr.bertnearnie3603 Жыл бұрын

I always enjoy listening to Dr. Hill!

@Muddy283 Жыл бұрын

Wow! Fiona Hill none other!! Who will be next on your illustrious list of interviewees?? How do you get all these heavyweights??? This is an *absolute* must watch. Getting out the popcorn right now.

@SiliconCurtain Жыл бұрын

Got another big one at the end of the month 😜

@aaronwalsh8469 Жыл бұрын

@@SiliconCurtain found your channel few weeks ago. Great insights into Russia and the Ukraine war. Keep up the good work. There’s a good channel with Jake broe , he does almost daily videos about the Ukraine war . He has a lot of viewers . Maybe get contact with him and do an interview. Grow your channel.

@bungalowjuice7225 Жыл бұрын

Dr. Fiona Hill! What a pleasant person! Glad she is on our side.

@lawrenceralph7481 Жыл бұрын

Big mouths causing trouble is damaging, no matter what side.

@tigertiger1699 Жыл бұрын

We in the west are incredibly lucky and well served..

@alanbrookes6637 Жыл бұрын

Fiona is exceptional, intelligent & sincere.

@tigertiger1699 Жыл бұрын

@@alanbrookes6637 Sure is… though I not sure that I like “sincere” …. People can cut off your head will bro g sincerely sorry about it.. How about she’s is straight, open and honest..

@lawrenceralph7481 Жыл бұрын

@@alanbrookes6637A liberal intent on evangelizing democracy, even when it may not be in a location or at a time in US interests. This war was avoidable. She missed the signs and misjudged the actions. Neville Chamberlain was articulate, wise and sincere. Louis XVI was forgiving, educated, generous and weak. Czar Nicholas was reserved and dumb. All were the wrong men at the wrong place at the wrong time. They took the wrong action. Fiona is that girl.

@johntucker5994 Жыл бұрын

I love listening to and learning from Dr. Hill and have tremendous respect for her. Congratulations and best wishes to her in her new position as Chancellor of Durham University in northeastern UK. This new appointment will bring her back to the County of her birth, no doubt to be closer to her family. It also must be very gratifying for her to serve as Chancellor at such a historic and prestigious university. For the daughter of a coal miner, Dr. Hill has led an incredible and impressive life. Everyone should remember: Dr. Hill's boss, John Bolton, who was born in the U.S., was un-American, cowardly and cynically motivated to sell more copies of his book when he refused to testify before the U.S. House or Senate in the first impeachment of President Trump over his extortionary telephone call with Ukraine's President Zelinsky. (Why CNN gives John Bolton any air time as some credible, respectable commentator is beyond me; but that has been par for the course for CNN.) Remember also: It was left to John Bolton's underlings, Dr. Fiona Hill and Alexander Vindman, both immigrants to the U.S. and both naturalized U.S. citizens, to take the heat (including death threats) and testify truthfully before Congress at great personal cost. So, we all owe a debt of gratitude to Dr. Hill for her integrity and courage.

@rikcoach1 Жыл бұрын

There are bad people in the world. This is why we need to stop the predators and not go easy on them. Its normal to have compassion for people and to be understanding of their “come from.” But, at the end of the day we must deal with bullies, predators, victimizers despite our compassion.

@resrussia Жыл бұрын

Yes, a sequel! Dr. Hill is one of the best observers of Russia.

@resrussia Жыл бұрын

Also, your series is excellent. I enjoy listening to the commentary from your experts. This is KZfaq at its best.

@tonyv5202 Жыл бұрын

@@resrussia 🤡

@resrussia 11 ай бұрын

@@Knucklehead4400 Thank you for your comment. However, you didn't explain why you think Mearscheimer's analysis is better than Hill's.

@alexv850 Жыл бұрын

Great interview. The best in depth analysis on thy net. Agree 100 % with Dr. Hill. Never bow to sick dictators. Slava Ukraine from Hungary. Glory to the heroes of Ukraine. 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

@ronaldbarrett3112 10 ай бұрын

Fiona Hill is a bright, intelligent spot in the media-news world. Thanks to Fiona Hill we learn lots about our world.

@andyhurrell Жыл бұрын

Fiona Hill knows her onions. Five stars. Thank you.

@jasonlast7091 Жыл бұрын

This woman is a geopolitical celebrity in my book. I don’t know how you scored this interview but it has to be the most valuable yet, by far. God I would love to ask her so many questions.

@richardgough1393 Жыл бұрын

Fiona will become Chancellor of Durham University next year. My partner works there and I'm really hoping to meet her.

@jimgraham6722 Жыл бұрын

It is not a cultural conflict. Ukraine's value to Russia lies in its natural resources, land, oil, gas and minerals onshore as well as offshore in Sea of Azov and Black Sea. Just as the English did in invading Scotland, should Russia prevail it will as far as possible clear the 'little Russian' population driving them as refugees to the West or exhiling them to the east per Stalin's example with the Tartars. With the native population cleared or subjugated, Putin and his cronies will swoop on the spoils.

@richarddriscoll666 Жыл бұрын

its a narrative based think tank she represents Raythion and friends....

@bellbookcandle3051 Жыл бұрын

@@richarddriscoll666 *Raytheon* 😐

@roymaddocks3184 Жыл бұрын

Fiona is featured on quite a few other excellent videos as well

@enidsnarb Жыл бұрын

Not only is her viewpoint one of the most astute and accurate on Putin but her northern accent is perhaps my favorite in the English language !

@jessehachey2732 3 ай бұрын

I know right! I’ve got a huge intellectual crush on her! 😍

@FirstLast-di5sr Жыл бұрын

I have the utmost respect for Dr. Hill, thank you both for doing this interview!

@danalden1112 Жыл бұрын

Much respect for Dr. Hill

@aarav2179 Жыл бұрын

Great respect for Dr. Hill.

@jezalb2710 Жыл бұрын

Thank you. Fiona is fantastic.

@andrewackerley9985 Жыл бұрын

We're very proud of Fiona Hill here in the UK. A very clever & knowledgeable lady who left England for good reason & much bigger opportunities in the US. Girl Done Good! I'm equally glad she may be returning to Britain in some small way, with her connection to Durham University. Great stuff. Putin is toast. Sláva Ukraini!

@brycecousens8859 Жыл бұрын

Yet another amazing guest and discussion. Great stuff.

@jameswilson1363 Жыл бұрын

Ms. Hill, its a pleasure too enjoy your dissertations, out with cameras and stern faces.

@ewoksalot Жыл бұрын

Dr. Hill, Julia Ioffe, Alexander Vindman... there are so many great voices that provide so many different perspectives on the Russian/Slavic world. Really appreciate Dr. Hill's insight.

@Ms_Ve Жыл бұрын

Fiona Hill is a planetary treasure.

@steve-real Жыл бұрын

22:37 “And it really does come down to the fact that Russia, unfortunately, over the last 23 years, has evolved into a system where only one man counts. And it’s gone back to kind of, as you say, to the period of the Czars were we’re now in a kind of succession crisis.” - Fiona Hill great observation and a bit concerning to be honest

@PeterA650 Жыл бұрын

And this is exactly how this war will end. Putin will die, then succession chaos will and in-fighting will bring about the military collapse.

@SiliconCurtain Жыл бұрын

It’s actually worse- because in tsarist times there were a range of advisors around the tsar, and competing class interests. Today’s Russia has far fewer checks and balances than the Soviet Union even! It’s like the bit in Star Wars when a Sith Lord takes over the republic and kills everyone….

@steve-real Жыл бұрын

@@SiliconCurtain When Putin dies it’s going to be a mad dash for power and position. I don’t know enough even to guess what may happen next.

@decaesaris5093 Жыл бұрын

RuSSia wasallways that way during all its existence. Now just dropped off its mask(yrovka)

@ulrikschackmeyer848 Жыл бұрын

At least the Zar did not have nukes in the Eremitage.

@ronaldkincaid4404 Жыл бұрын

Until the FSB is dug out of the Russian body politic there is no real hope for meaningful rapprochement with the RF.

@SiliconCurtain Жыл бұрын

Absolutely

@timtrewyn453 Жыл бұрын

You have hit the nail on the head.

@ashscott6068 Жыл бұрын

Yep. If you don't want your neighbors joining a defensive alliance, STOP INVADING YOUR NEIGHBORS.

@Forheavenssake1ify Жыл бұрын

She is correct, the US struggled strongly against entering BOTH the first and second World Wars.

@macmcleod1188 Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately the neocon movement is much more aggressive. But outside of that, the US did also intervene in the Shah of Iran situation. I view that as our worst misstep. They had a democratically elected leader who hated the United States so the US overturned that government and help install a dictator. A really horrific dictator. And that was before the neocons. The US has also been implicated in collapsing currencies. I think World War 1 & 2 changed American leadership to be more interventionist.

@daniellepilon7433 Жыл бұрын

Sequel please!!! Can’t get enough of these two.

@terryhand Жыл бұрын

Just simply getting guests of this quality is an acheivement itself.Outstanding interview.

@MrBrunoMi Жыл бұрын

Totally aligned with this comment

@deeglloyd Жыл бұрын

Fantastic interview. Dr. Hill is a national treasure. "Putin provoked himself" what a quote. I hope there is a sequel!

@Paulus8765 Жыл бұрын

Which nation?

@deeglloyd Жыл бұрын

@@Paulus8765 I'm claiming her for the USA, of course!

@Paulus8765 Жыл бұрын

@@deeglloyd Unfair - I claim her for Northumbria.

@bellbookcandle3051 Жыл бұрын

@@Paulus8765 Well, you _did_ have her first. 😏👍

@eh1702 Жыл бұрын

It’s significant that Dr Hill said that as a female, a working class female and a working class female with a northern accent - she knew that she could never have the career she wanted, (specialising in Russia) in a UK context. She knew she would all the time be defined by Britain’s toxic nexus of public-schoolboy sexism and classism. This is why she said she leaped at the chance of American postgrad work, career and citizenship.

@davewiggin7305 Жыл бұрын

If you and Fiona have only covered 25% of the questions you were going to ask, when do we get the other 75? Brilliant interview

@SiliconCurtain Жыл бұрын

🤞 I hope to get the chance!

@20chocsaday Жыл бұрын

I wonder how things work out if Ukraine allied with North Korea.

@ulrikschackmeyer848 Жыл бұрын

@@SiliconCurtain Please tell Dr Hill that we are many who thirst for those deep, thoughtful, (and it at all possible: constructive ) answers! Your collaboration could really create a new, more solid foundation, make a difference, turning the 'click bait tragedy' of general KZfaq, into a sincere popular movement even? Of course not appeasement, Heaven forbid, but a growing group of people advocating, demanding? even, that this conflict based on 'cross-purpose, BUT APPARENTLY MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE worldviews' not ONLY be taken militarily seriously, but ALSO psychologically, philosophically etc (you could ask Vlad Vexler to join in). In order to find a more PERMANENTLY VIABLE solution.

@trevorhutchings4941 Жыл бұрын

I so enjoyed this interview with Fiona Hill, extremely enlightening. Thank you

@jezalb2710 Жыл бұрын

It is great

@kevinwillis6707 Жыл бұрын

He definitely miscalculated NATO response, now his ego has him trapped in a costly war that eventually will have Russia conceding defeat. Dr Hill sums him up accurately.

@piseag458 Жыл бұрын

Great interview she's articulating my thoughts about all this with putins Russia she's like an agony aunt .. and helps my understanding of global politics, I feel continually incredulous and outraged about russia dragging us all back in time like this ,its truly terrifying and awful.So glad for Silicon curtain and people like Fiona to help us try and make sense it of all.Wonderful ,thankyou!

@josephballerini3730 Жыл бұрын

A very inconsequential observation: Fiona Hill has my favorite British accent. Very soothing. I know she has said her Northern England accent was a negative back home. I love it.

@michaelogden5958 Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Dr. Hill and Mr. Fink for this presentation.

@gap6533 Жыл бұрын

Between Ukrainian voices describing the cultural and informational realities of the war, and eminent experts like Fiona Hill providing global context, this channel is a very valuable source for understanding the invasion. 🇺🇦

@Forest_Knight Жыл бұрын

Fiona is great as always. On Putin as a "history man": he showed this streak just a few years into his presidency, when he had the grave of Anton Denikin, a Russia imperial general, moved back to Russia. He made a point it was funded by his own money.

@PowhiroMus Жыл бұрын

Please do a sequel, Fiona is one smart, articulate woman with huge insight, experience and appreciation,! An obviously talented analyst who always manages to distil complex issues down to easy, simple explanation. You only touched on it at the end but I've always viewed Putin the Putrid as a cunning but unsophisticated ruthless conservative thug. To me he seem threatened by the emerging Russian contemporary view of life and wants to return, for safety, to the conservative, "old" world that he knows and feels comfortable with. He likes being an autocratic leader for life, a dictator or tsar. He feels threatened by modern culture, modern democracy, independent thought. He cannot stand Ukraine being an independent country free of subservience to Moscow and worries that the Ukrainian independence example threatens his rule of Russia, essentially the existential threat to Russia that democracy and freedom of thought means. Please invite Fiona to discuss this aspect.

@dsjwhite Жыл бұрын

Amazing, thank you. A wonderful conversation

@robertbrennan2268 Жыл бұрын

Extremely illuminating insights from Dr Fiona Hill in conversation with Jonathan. Quite brilliant. Many thanks.

@NightOwlinNewOrleans Жыл бұрын

Dr Hill is one of my go tos for insight and analysis. Always thoughtful clear.

@marisabenson1222 Жыл бұрын

Dr. Hill 100%

@francescamelandri3895 Жыл бұрын

Dr Hill's clarity and expertise are a guiding light , great to see her on your wonderful channel

@carolyncolinhogarth8732 Жыл бұрын

Thank you....Strategic issues are not killing innocence. That is a crime against humanity....

@EeeEee-bm5gx Жыл бұрын

As much as there are amazing guests, the host has an amazing voice and a way of speaking. My ears are smitten 🥰

@SiliconCurtain Жыл бұрын

😝 I actually can’t hear my voice back on recordings - I hate the sound of it!

@jmolofsson Жыл бұрын

@@SiliconCurtain That's human! A trait shared by many.

@Leo-Orbis Жыл бұрын

Intelligent, insightful pragmatism! A sequel would be wonderful.

@jed4119 Жыл бұрын

What a coup! The great Fiona Hill so knowledgeable and interesting. Please do speak to her again if you can.

@jezalb2710 Жыл бұрын

She has been a guest on many other channels. Bbc4 too

@apocraphy2012 Жыл бұрын

Thank you. Love Dr. Hill

@SteveMenardDesignDXM Жыл бұрын

During the 1960s and 1970s, the French-speaking majority of Quebec finally came of age and took its rightful place as an independent 'nation' within Canada. I was born in this Quebec, as part of the 10% English-speaking minority. Over a span of a decade, we saw many of our linguistic rights diminished, leading to the limiting of our ability to maintain our size and influence through the education system. Though there were some tense periods with scattered acts of violent protest and political kidnappings, the 'two solitudes' have come to a mutual understanding, and now our issues are being handled exclusively within the political sphere. I'm pointing this out in order to draw a certain parallel between the English-speaking minority in Quebec and the Russian-speaking areas of Ukraine. Any and all disagreements with regard to language and culture are always best solved through discussion, mutual respect, and an exchange of creative ideas that lead to solutions. Back in 1977, we didn't want the UK or the US to come in and take over our territory in order to preserve our culture, language and way of life. We settled things internally. That's what I would have expected in Ukraine. What has happened since that fateful day of Feb 24, 2022, is beyond unfortunate, and the violence is senseless.

@peterwebb8732 Жыл бұрын

The point you make, is that there was a reasonable alternative, which means that Putin's war was not a "last resort" and is thereby unjustified.

@badhombre4942 9 ай бұрын

@@peterwebb8732 Another brain dead moron spews western lies. Google the Minsk agreements and check how Merkel, Orland and the former President of Ukraine boasted that their support for these agreements was just a lie to build Ukraine's military to fight Russia.

@grzzz2287 Жыл бұрын

Excellent podcast, Fiona is one of the best Russia experts out there and is always worth a watch. Keep em coming!

@michaelmullins3396 Жыл бұрын

The late Professor Stephen Cohen could have thought Hill a few things about Russia, hill is a Propaganda tool of Washington.

@roseblue3368 Жыл бұрын

Great interview and debate you understand each other so well its precious!!! More please🙏

@shaney8275 Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Mr.Fink, first for sharing the interviews for those of us in the public who wish to hear serious dialogue about what are serious geopolitical problems. Second, for having Dr. Hill on your show. I have been following her ever since she testified in the impeachment hearings, listening to her interviews with some regularity. The woman is about as impressive an individual as one can find, and while I'm happy for her that she has taken the position at University, I'm almost sad, as I was hoping she might run for office here in the States. The world needs people like her. Her integrity, down-to-earth attitude, and obviously her knowledge are what we need now, more than ever.

@davidmiles-hanschell Жыл бұрын

Thank You so much Jonathan for posting this interview with Dr.Fiona Hill whose lucid analysis of a predicament that has enmeshed all whether we like it or not, it is like a tiny beacon from afar, shining into my consciousness, from a very dark place. I look forward to the next time you speak with her and those of her calibre and integrity.

@ulrikschackmeyer848 Жыл бұрын

Beautifully put. I second that.

@skipsteel Жыл бұрын

Congrats on having Fiona Hill on your show, she is a well respected mind on global politics.

@TKMcClone Жыл бұрын

I've listened to maybe a dozen Fiona Hill interviews in the past 12 months and I always get something new. Thanks so much for another great discussion.

@ennediend2865 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely 👍👍👍 Only Russia is the threat! But a dictator will always need a reason...

@appstratum9747 Жыл бұрын

A real pleasure to watch this, Jonathan, with some very new and interesting snippets of information from Fiona about the Yeltsin/Bush exchanges from the 90s. A very stimulating discussion, too, of the situation in Europe and Russia and the geopolitical perspective from the United States. You've had a succession of really great guests, excellent conversations and value by the bucket load. I'm not you're how you're managing to be so successful at getting such excellent people to contribute! But really, you're doing a fantastic job. Great to watch. Do keep on with this. Please don't stop!

@anitaandazola2029 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Dr. Fiona Hill for this and all your prior works, testomonies and analyses!

@ulrikschackmeyer848 Жыл бұрын

Dear Jonathan. Thank you VERY much, for making new questions that go a layer deeper. I mean listening to Dr Hill is ALWAYS fascinating, even when it is 'the same old questions', but this time was even more brilliant! And thanks a lot for your long format contributions. You really contribute with a lot of insight. Two points beyond that. One nitty little presentation detail. When you read aloud, or check a question or argument, you lower your eyes JUST enough to break you otherwise quite acceptable line of sight with the interviewer. To me it breaks the feeling of your otherwise inspiring presence! I'm not a tech nerd, so I can't tell you HOW to fix it, but an improvement would make it a lot easier for me to focus on your brilliant content. Secondly, like many other, I hope for, and would like to hear about WHAT could 'a relatively as happy as possible end' be? Or a reasonable road there? I mean if we assume the the West cannot, or will not risk, bringing a STUNDE NULL (the complete Nazi breakdown realised by all Germans) to the Russians/Putin, how COULD one persuade the Russians or their leadership (be it Putin or not) to get out of their traumatic, 'old-fashioned' (for want of a better term) look on the West or indeed the World and into the growth and prosperity of a NON-zero-sum-future? I allow myself to believe in a brighter future for a non-imperial Russia. Because, as a Dane, we've experienced being a superpower (of our known world) through several periods in history: the Vikings, the North Sea Mare Nostrum of King Canute the Great, the Baltic Mare Nostrum of King Valdemar the Victorious, the Danish lead Kalmar Union (Europe's largest country pre-Columbus), the world third largest fleet at times in 16-1700's. Never the less we've (almost voluntarily) given up on world dominance. And today Denmark (along with our Scandinavian 'partners') is regulally scored among the most prosperous nations on Earth. And hailed as democratic paragons! In English textbooks of 'development of national economy' there is a phrase in the how-to chapters called 'Getting to Denmark' . In French textbooks it's called ' La methode Suedoise'. And we are regularly scored as the happiest! So it IS possible to be rich and happy, post-imperial-dreams. Just saying. Sorry about the rant, not completely without national pride, but I felt that it HAD to be solid, convincing AND proud to be appealing to Russians. As I understand it, is that not what Russia wants for herself?

@Bradonomous Жыл бұрын

I am forever impressed by Fiona Hill - she is a really practical thinker with simple, useful, well-evidenced insights.

@eh1702 Жыл бұрын

And yet Dr Hill would have got nowhere if she had carried on in the UK. She would probably be a temporary lecturer in some middling university somewhere. She knew that her potential in the US would be determined by her abilities, whereas in the UK she was a lower class provincial female with a “thick accent”, a perpetual outsider. US government & diplomatic, and even academic structures, were open to her in a way that British ones would never be.

@randr302 Жыл бұрын

♥️Fiona!!♥️

@sama3033 Жыл бұрын

Blindingly intelligent women like Fiona make me weak in the knees. I could listen to her for hours.

@jessehachey2732 3 ай бұрын

Well said! You should see all the trolls on her interviews on other channels, they’re triggered by strong intelligent, successful women, it’s both hilarious, sad and pathetic to see! She’s doing something right! I have a huge intellectual crush on her! 😍🤯

@sama3033 3 ай бұрын

@@jessehachey2732 Has to be said, conservative men are just intimidated by strong women. I think this is the root of their misogyny. I feel sorry for the wives of these men, I really do.

@raneroth7981 Жыл бұрын

I love these - and the frequency of new episodes is mindblowing.

@SiliconCurtain Жыл бұрын

It’s also tiring!!! All done on top of a full day job and family commitments… 🤪

@simoncrooks7441 Жыл бұрын

Thanks, it was good to hear this discussion

@birchstudio2900 Жыл бұрын

I've been waiting for this all my life - we the victims of the Soviet Union are finally being seen.

@emilykrahn3185 Жыл бұрын

Excellent. Thank you.

@dnpenn Жыл бұрын

I want to add my gratitude to that of others for your bringing Dr. Hill into your vlog. Its was so enlightening and engaging.

@anonymusum Жыл бұрын

That was a very interesting and informative interview. Thank you!

@JoaoMariaNunes Жыл бұрын

giving Ukraine to the Russians to appease them, reminds me of what we did back in the 30's with the old Bohemia ( Czech Republic ) when we closed our eyes to Adolf's pretensions...just to prevent a war, and we know how well it played out

@louisalfieri3187 Жыл бұрын

This was fantastic. Horrific but explained so well. So grateful for Fiona Hill!

@tepsurka Жыл бұрын

So glad to have discovered Dr Hill for myself. She dispersed my doubts whether the West was competent to read Russia and to counter-react on its vicious moves in East Europe. She is gorgeous.

@Niinsa62 Жыл бұрын

Really really insightful and captivating! Thank you very much!

@mchozen2958 Жыл бұрын

Fiona Hill is my hero. Her perspective is unequalled. Thank you for the brilliant insights by both participants. A psychoanalyst’s view of puny Vlad would also be fascinating.

@ulrikschackmeyer848 Жыл бұрын

My very thought, and regularly suggested idea. I have a dream where the Ramsteinians unwaveringly box Russia in for the duration, and Dr Hill and Vlad Vexler come up with a plan to tempt the Russians (with or without Putin) into joining the NON-zero-sum game of the rest of the civilized world? That might just be our best shot at 'the fastest, sort of, happy-like end'.

@NukeminHerttua Жыл бұрын

Thank for the podcast Jonathan! I love the calm and to-the-point style of yours. Oh and thanks for Fiona for sharing her thoughts!

@brianfreeman8290 Жыл бұрын

Just getting a guest of this stature on your channel has earned you a new Subscriber !

@SiliconCurtain Жыл бұрын

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@SiliconCurtain Жыл бұрын

Stay tuned two more really well known guests in the coming weeks…

@king_cobra5492 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Fiona and Jonathon.

@Nhurm Жыл бұрын

This was brilliant. Thank you.

@kythian Жыл бұрын

What an astute person. I have been much impressed by Dr. Hill in the past, and she continues to do so. Thank you for you service, Dr. Hill.

@liberalmatt Жыл бұрын

She's a local (though admittedly obscure) celebrity for me (Co. Durham), with a modest yet well-earned profile. Great interview Fiona!

@darius1988 Жыл бұрын

Amazing guest and host! Thanks for insights! Greetings from Lithuania

@bobbymurphy4384 Жыл бұрын

Great Podcast as always. Fiona is a great guest 💗

@RawandCookedVegan Жыл бұрын

Excellent guest and it is a pleasure to have such a knowledgeable interviewer.

@sarcasmo57 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting conversation.

@AaronRandolphChen Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this. I have the deepest respect and admiration for Fiona Hill.

@orctowngrot8842 Жыл бұрын

What a BEAUTIFUL discussion guys. Lovely nuance, deft examination of structure, the corrupting framing of policy based on limit personal perceptions. Prompt and illuminating examination of structures of both society and THOUGHT itself over decades. You point us all to the vital truism that ALL OF US, and especially public figures must be cautious of our private frame of understanding, and we all must be willing to change and grow. Thanks, both of you. Good health to both of you and may the glorious non event of peace settle on all of us.

@ulrikschackmeyer848 Жыл бұрын

Beautiful. I could not have put it better myself. Peace upon you, Brother.

@junahn1907 Жыл бұрын

Putin is a nineteenth century mind, losing a 20th century war, against a 21st century world.

@kyleodland6249 Жыл бұрын

Great quote!

@stellascott4584 Жыл бұрын

I think you are both missing the point about Zelenskiy saying Putin is ”nobody”. Actually, I had to go back to the interview and listen again when I started seeing people saying referring to Zelenskiy saying that Putin is a nobody. That's not what I heard and that's not what he said. Furthermore, I don't think that was due to his lack of command of the English language. To be clear: Zelenskiy did not say Putin is ”a” nobody. He switched over to English because he wanted to make it very clear that there would be no one there on the other side of the table for the purpose of a diplomatic conversation and making binding agreements. The chair would be empty, even though a body would be sitting in it. Hence it’s not interesting to even go there. Of course, Putin is somebody, but the problem for Zelenskiy, in an attempt for diplomatic and constructive negotiations, Putin cannot be trusted in these matters in any way whatsoever. He will always break any agreement, which has been proven time and time again throughout the history of his ever-increasing dictatorial rule.

@davidmiles-hanschell Жыл бұрын

Absolutely right; he is definitely the 21st Some body; Vladimir Putin will some how, must be persuaded to bring WWW3 to an end; granted immunity from war crimes and allowed to live out his days somewhere; the prospect beckons, that if not the game, is over for us all

@SiliconCurtain Жыл бұрын

This is get, and it’s worth addressing in a future interview. The point I was trying to provoke, was that Yeltsin magicked this sinister character into power practically from nowhere. He was a real nobody, and there were thousands of ex KGB thugs who could have just as easily been picked to be the Putin type figure to fulfil the plans of the KGB and Yeltsin

@ulrikschackmeyer848 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so very much for that input. In times of conflict it is of cause impossible to avoid the simple ridiculing of the opponent. But I am strangely uplifted by reading your comment, that Zelinsky, of all psychologically and morally entitled people, nevertheless keeps himself to a higher and more meaningful standard! You, Dear Lady, are one of the persons making the 'The Comment Fields of KZfaq' a 'noteworthwhile' place to visit! One of the 'participating citizens' the original creators of KZfaq must have dreamed of.

@earlrobinson4525 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant! I hope this gets widely shared ! It’s time for the United States of Europe.

@kristalkristal2506 Жыл бұрын

I really enjoy listening to Fiona Hill. Thanks for bringing her voice to us.

@viktorakse3326 Жыл бұрын

This one was phenomenal. Keep at it, I wanna see this channel grow

@tobiwan001 Жыл бұрын

The Russian economy depended on Europe. Not the other way round. As can be seen in the data. 85% of Russian exports went to Europe. Putin just thought Europe would not care about the annexation of Ukraine. And that it would be easy.

@stevejhkhfda Жыл бұрын

Fiona is great. Wow your channel is full of great interviews...subbed!

@stevejhkhfda Жыл бұрын

...see if you can also get Julia Ioffe...;)

@franksemi_modular Жыл бұрын

@Silicon Curtain You really have a nose for picking the most insightfull people👍Anders Puck Nilsen, Vlad Vexler, Carl Miller, Operator Starsky and many more.. and now Fiona Hill.. It's a pleasure to watch in this format 👍👍

@SiliconCurtain Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I watch a lot of my speakers’ materials to ensure they have interesting views (and no Vatnik tendencies)

@richardkey1678 Жыл бұрын

Excellent , even though your interviews are usually an hour long, they are too short, thank you.

@SiliconCurtain Жыл бұрын

We were pushed for time - but this means hopefully there will be a part 2 🤞

@dennisgarber Жыл бұрын

I listened at 2.5 speed, and it was a short interview. I listened to Fiona's Mr. Putin, from the the library, at 1.55 speed. It still was a long book. But it had a few essential points that I am glad I got to hear. I thought it was written by one economist, but I missed her name on the title.

@TalentedDilittante Жыл бұрын

heartening to know that adults are observing event.

@tezzaNZ Жыл бұрын

Great interview as always Jonathan. Insights from people who know what they are talking about!

@esakoivuniemi Жыл бұрын

Dr. Hill is spot on on so many things. Yet, I think she overlooks the benefits of simplifying things. There are some fundamentals we should keep in mind. First, we cannot change Russia either by force or by persuasion. We sure won't be able to change their worldview through negotiations or by trying to lecture about our ways to them. So, we should assume they will remain the same. That being the case, the only way to stop the war is to give Ukraine the tools it needs to defeat Russia in the battlefield. Even Russian defeat will be a temporary. Russia remains the same. The only long term solution is to accept Ukraine (and potentially Georgia & Moldova) into NATO. After that, Russia has nowhere to expand. If we also keep up the sanctions regime, they will have hard time building up their military power again. Then we'll wait. Patiently. Decades. Maybe even centuries. At some point Russians will change their system, or The Russian Federation will collapse. Until then, only a strong western military power - and readiness to use it - will keep them at bay. I don't see how more nuanced or complex considerations could change these fundamentals.

@ulrikschackmeyer848 Жыл бұрын

Very grim prospects, indeed. That would be 'beating Russia on Russia's own terms'. But I fear that in the end you may turn out to be right. However, I sure that you will allow the rest of us trying to figure out various 'seemingly miraculous' ways to see if the 'stalemate of mutual suffering' can be shortened.

@esakoivuniemi Жыл бұрын

@@ulrikschackmeyer848 To be frank, I did not even paint the most pessimistic possible future. Imagine what will happen if Russia won't be defeated in Ukraine and it is able to rebuild it's military. Ukraine won't be Russia's last victim in that case. Anyhow, I do hope someone will come up with a way(s) to ensure more optimistic future. I'd be very glad to be proven wrong.

@rimmerblues1586 Жыл бұрын

I very much agree with your assessment as that's how i too see it. Cornering a wounded, injured & aggressive animal is dangerous (as i believe Pootin may have analogized something in past speeches and such) but for the foreseeable i don't see any other way. Even now they're trying to make alliances in places like Africa to keep "The West", etc. off balance and sadly they accept it either due to historical reasons or monetary payments, but i don't see Russia helping the development of these places it appears more just offering weapons and fuel and occasionally food (likely stolen from Ukraine) so basically _feeding_ the corrupt govs of the world, whereas China looks to do it better by seemingly offering development in order to extract the resources of these places while Europe kinda dithers about. And this is the thing, the US was slowly drawing-down it's European forces in order to pivot to Asia and most thought that was where the next big conflict was to emerge which likely added to the Kremlin's calculations to go for it now. It has been a rude awakening for the EU - Europe as a whole - and other 'Western'-aligned nations whom seemed to had closed their eyes and crossed their fingers with a "nah, it'll be fine" attitude, now likely they're going have to increase military spending towards the old Cold War levels to bolster against a re-asserting Russia (which would no doubt please the US to ease their strain as they want to look to the Asia-Pacific) and decide what connections they want with other nations of the world to lessen the influence (corruption?) of Russia & China and be potentially left behind in the resource acquisition game.

@zie9171 9 ай бұрын

As Russia seeks alliance es around the world and in Africa. I wonder how much the West regret destabilising S Africa and handing it on a plate to the ANC. At the very least, the previous government sought to quell Russia and keep them away from the borders and the rich resources found there in!!!!!!