it's gonna be okay right?

Yeah...at least he can play it, after the update I can't play at all and he's complaining?

considering how insanely expensive his build is, i somewhat understand.

i have pretty much the same setup as he does except for a 5800x instead of a 5900x. and when im sitting at 3rd party airports such as flightbeam denver, i get below 25fps "limited by main thread". so that definately is worth to complain.

Great to hear reports of some people getting good performance boosts! It could just be an issue with certain hardware configurations, much easier for Asobo to focus work on the Xbox as they know exactly what the hardware will be, PC is much more of a hit and hope approach.

Did you try turning off things like the AI Traffic and reducing the road traffic, airport traffic, etc?

That's great to hear someone is seeing a massive improvement!

@@FlyingTheston I still have all AI traffic maxed out. I will have to zero it out and see how much of a difference it makes. Running in Ultra in a city I get about 20 frames a second. Technically playable but I would accept slightly less quality for a silky smooth performance.

wow! that's a great result. I've never had more than 30-40fps in such places with rtx 3070, ryzen 7 @ 4275

@@tooomba I used to get 30 to 35fps there before the update. Now I'm about to test VR performance as well

Yes, but what is your screen resolution is it or 3840×2160 at 100 % scaling or is it less, that makes an enormous difference.

@@WadeFrick 1080P at 100% scaling. But I have two more 27in/1080p monitors running as well. So I can probably get better performance by unplugging them.

Yeah bc they turned the Graphics down :( the clouds look so much worse

this!

You can see in the video above the sort of frames I'm getting in Sim Update 5

It has a massive impact on most sims. Even XPlane.

Until the sim gets ironed or we are stuck on an old code and expect intel or amd to release 7ghz cpus!!!!

I wonder if a lot of the "under the hood" improvements are for the photogrammetry data and just the auto gen scenery has not had a performance boost? Are you running any custom scenery in the area you're struggling with?

@@FlyingTheston I did more testing and found the problem. I don’t have any special scenery. So when I fly VERY close to the ground in alaska and other regions, I drop to 10 fps for some reason, while flying with 50 feet or more altitude is perfectly fine (50fps). Airports are the exception to that fps drop. In addition to that, whenever I put one of the widgets like the vfr map on an external window (like on my second monitor), I lose up to 20fps!!! What!? When the window is in game, no fps loss. When I tested New York yesterday, I had no vfr map, but when doing my ‘’bush’’ trip in Alaska, I did have my map, which explains the terrible fps I had back then.

it's always worth being on the latest SDK version. You should be able to add an airport but not turn off existing features. When you add an airport in the SDK it marks the existing airport area as custom but only deletes the existing things you tell it to (in the tick boxes). To provide custom graphics, you're probably going to need to use the apron tool and apply custom textures that way.

@@FlyingTheston Well I installed the latest SDK and now everything is completely screw'd! Now it not only won't build my scenery but every one of my custom 3D models that I have successfully imported from Blender during the past few days are listed as "unknown". Also when I click Build, the console windows opens but is greyed out when finished. Behind it is a popup message that says the build is finished but also saying something about exporting that I understand and agree and I must click yes. The popup is hiding behind the console window so I have to keep hitting the Escape key to get it to show up. After that I tried to load myscenery but it's all screwed up and has reverted back to the default. Edit: I've spent hours trying to solve this and come up with this. I found out that the current SDK vsn 13 does indeed ignore all of my imported models from Blender. The Build Console repeats this error for every one of my models. _"[Sketchup_primitive[0] defines "TANGENT" data, but we do not currently support importing tangents. The data is ignored]"_ Of course, I also had successfullly imported the default Blender cube that I textured as a test, and even it didn't show up. Ironically, my custom scenery that I created and installed this week up until downloading the latest SDK looks incredible in the sim. Don't know why those gawd-dam SDK developer clowns had to screw it up for many of us! I really need the last SDK version that works with the MSFSToolkit 0.40.0 for Blender. Got any tips? Thanks!

there are other youtubers who are doing such comparisons, I can do one if people really want, but there will be plenty of that content on KZfaq already

Mate, even after sim update 7, im still limited by mainthread, and we have the same specs... I cant get above 40-45fps and bad stutters.. Microsoft and Asobo need to fix this asap, I cant play the sim.

@@dillon17 The stutters are strange, I don’t get those. I don’t get very high fps but it does run very smooth, no jittering at all. Are you running low on memory perhaps? Disk swapping may explain it

As mentioned in this video, there will be plenty of comparisons of New York and other cities, I don't just want to do what a lot of other KZfaqrs will do.

This isn't correct, I'm not CPU bottlenecking the GPU, what they claimed was they would move some CPU intensive tasks over to the other cores rather than do it all in the main thread. You can see in the video in Sim Update 5 I'm actually getting worse FPS when the AI traffic is turned on and ramped up meaning more of that processing is being done on the main thread and not being handed off to another CPU core. The GPU will only be bottlenecked by the CPU when the CPU can not keep up with the requests of the GPU, the AI traffic is a CPU computation and won't be bottlenecking the rendering by the GPU.

@@FlyingTheston You are right about the CPU being unable to keep up with the GPU, causing bottlenecks. But the AI traffic appears to be a known issue as I've seen it on a couple of discord servers. Yes traffic is CPU intensive, but so are other compute tasks. I think we can make a comparison by eliminating AI traffic on SU4 and SU5 respectively. I'll report when I'm done installing SU5, as i tested it last night with SU4 & no AI traffic. only road traffic

@@rahulrathnakumar785 it was suggested that Sim Update 5 was supposed to move the AI traffic off the main thread to alleviate the problem. Even with AI traffic on in Sim Update 4 I was getting around 50/60fps (hitting 70/80fps without it) but in Sim Update 5 I was only seeing around 40fps with AI traffic on and can get around 80/90fps without it on. It may be a bug or something that Asobo have done the work but it's not offloading it as expected, or something to do with my setup or settings, or just they never did offload the AI traffic off the main thread. I'm sure over the next few days we'll find out more. Be interesting to see what others report back!

this isn't a CPU bottleneck, this is because the CPU tasks in the sim are being maxed out on the main thread, this isn't the CPU bottlenecking the GPU

The whole point of the update was that Asobo have moved certain tasks that previously had to go through the main thread to other cores. He has a 12 core processor so AI traffic should get its own core. Previously MSFS only made use of 6 cores so those of us with multi core CPU's weren;t getting any benefit from them. Sim Update 5 is supposed to change that.

I believe they did say that they would spread the load of CPU intensive tasks across more cores prior to the DX12 update. I'm actually getting worse FPS in Sim Update 5 with the main thread limit over Sim Update 4, it certainly shouldn't have become worse.

yep they did, they said this is one of the things they were going to fix, including putting the glass screens on their own thread.

yes you are

yes but it shouldn't be worse in sim update 5 than sim update 4 with the AI traffic on. Sim Update 5 was supposed to improve things

depends how you compare them. Intel has more letters than AMD, but AMD tends to have more capital letters than Intel

@@Great-Documentaries only a complete loser would cyberbully someone for a youtube comment