Simon Jordan BACKS Swansea's Pursuit Of Justice Against Russell Martin's Alleged Breach Of Contract!

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Swansea City are suing their former manager, Russell Martin, for breach of contract. talkSPORT's Jim White, Simon Jordan and Martin O'Neill have their say!
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@hbos9709 Ай бұрын

Martin it's Monday.. Simon had been desperate for a fight all weekend 😂

@jordanbyford2693 Ай бұрын

I don't understand why Simon was having a go at Martin o Neil for 😂😂

@paulmelvin8427 Ай бұрын

Cause he’s threatened by a real man

@michaelredford5389 Ай бұрын

I know right. 😅 He gets very defensive/aggressive when it comes to owner conversations.

@josiekaposie5783 Ай бұрын

because MO is one of those guys that uses fifty words to ask a question when ten would be suffice

@ReggieDunlop100 Ай бұрын

Because O’Neil was being sarcastic towards him in a veiled way

@RyanDogs Ай бұрын

@paulmelvin8427 you are a real man paul

@nsd_respect Ай бұрын

7:15 Martin with a slight dig at Simon😂

@ianthomson6554 Ай бұрын

Simon is just brilliant. Clearly he knows his stuff, has been frustrated by the system and is the best thing on Talk Sport

@PSNvjimmy Ай бұрын

I got the impression that Martin knows about a specific contract that Simon has been involved in with 28 days and maybe didn’t pay in the time. Weird for MO to linger on that point for so long and also for it to aggregate SJ so much.

@GlassHouse80 Ай бұрын

Simon absolutely mugging Martin off today. Good work.

@tas1424 Ай бұрын

Simon loves the Swans 🦢🦢🦢

@welshhibby Ай бұрын

And so he should, amazing club.

@mrchico2621 Ай бұрын

Tbf though isn't he always going to side with the clubs and owners in these situations?

@aaronoshea3453 Ай бұрын

@mrchico2621 he doesn't. I've heard him lay in to clubs and owners several times.

@therealbennett Ай бұрын

I get the feeling Martin knows an instance where Simon broke the payment terms, he might aswell have winked at him during this exchange.

@SaintMB Ай бұрын

Missing the point. The issue is whether Southampton were still a premier league club at the time or not.. they say no, Swansea say yes. The courts will decide upon that I guess.

@doctor_gibbo1392 Ай бұрын

That's not the issue. Swansea are suing Russell Martin, not Southampton. Martin walked away from a contract. Martin's counter argument is that he was constructively dismissed because he was undermined by Swansea's owners because they didn't sign anyone in the January transfer window.

@arranle Ай бұрын

Thank you Simon!!! Well said.....

@jimc6486 Ай бұрын

None of them know what the contract says - as stated by Simon. The directors of the club are required to act in its best interests which in this case is apparently to sue the departed manager for breach of contract. If Russell Martin, or more likely his advisors/agent, was on the ball he will have sought and secured an indemnity from his new club against just such a situation arising - covering all legal costs and any judgement arising. That would appear to be reasonable as the new club are apparently aiming to benefit from their changed league circumstances. Wording and timing are likely to be key issues if and when this comes to court.

@Reedster1974 16 күн бұрын

Hey Simon. Here’s a thought mate. Rather than focussing on preparing another long list of sixteen syllable words to shoehorn into a sentence, how about actually listening to Martins point, and answering that! Just a thought 🤷‍♂️

@robertking4117 Ай бұрын

Jim White being a bit smug,also I don’t understand Martins point either,also Simon is 100% correct.

@shaunpierce4174 Ай бұрын

Long term contracts are pointless nowadays. You might as well do it on a season by season basis.

@robertlee6338 Ай бұрын

That is silly, that means a sacked manager can only get paid out for 12 months. No Manager worth something signs a 12 months contract, they want golden parachute

@johnjames4681 Ай бұрын

Martin O'Neil was just getting in the way. He should butt out and let Jordan explain things. Jim asked "how does this end" and Martin took i t on a bit of a ramble. The Swansea v southampton issue is whether Southampton were a Premier league team or not. They probably contacted Martin before they were in the Championship.

@neil1982 Ай бұрын

Martin O'Neill was sacked by N.Forest with 13 months left on his contract - he got paid for that time despite not doing a single bit of the work. It's obvious which side he sits on because as Simon points out, it's the only industry where failure still gets you paid and it's madness.

@abdiaha7022 Ай бұрын

you do know how a contract works right? multi year fixed contracts are signed by both club and manager so why pick on only the manager

@Micfri300 Ай бұрын

Managers work 16 hours a day. So no its not like a normal job.

@johnjames4681 Ай бұрын

Most CEO of big tersms get well paid for failure. The Thames Water chief for one.

@Geokinkladze Ай бұрын

O'Neill didn't fail at Forest. Those owners have sacked numerous managers, they seem to change their minds when the wind changes.

@iMertin Ай бұрын

No that a contract. I worked for a big company in Scotland and was paid off got paid the rest of my contract and holidays Was like 16months

@michaelwallisNFFC 27 күн бұрын

It’s an interesting thought isn’t it… speaking as a forest fan we’ve seen much more than our fair share of managers coming and going but what we’ve also seen is player after player signed that has never even put on our shirt. Who would be to blame for that? We’ve had instances of players turning up that the manager has never seen before and didn’t know had been signed. Strange to see that an owner would then hold a manager responsible for not getting a team achieving what they expect them to when not providing the players the manager would expect to have. It’s ok saying “the manager gets to fail and gets a big pay day for it” but when does an owner understand that they are accountable for the budget they have and the players they buy? It’s like putting a league 2 team in the prem then not buying any players and sacking the manager because the teams not winning. Interesting to see a former owners perspective (and in my opinion I would have to argue delusion) here.

@RoadsideGee Ай бұрын

Simon’s taken a verbal bashing all weekend off his wife, now he’s taking out on Martin. 🙄

@chris25wigan Ай бұрын

You know the content is going to be good when Jim is just sat there grinning like a cheshire cat knowing full well somethings about to go off.

@paulgal Ай бұрын

Martin winding Simon up here I love it 😂

@mikecampbell1511 Ай бұрын

I used to love Martin O'Neil, but does he ever offer an opinion??? Literally never sticks his neck on the line.

@michaelredford5389 Ай бұрын

Simon is very highly strung in these circumstances/subjects isn't he. Martin is just trying to ask a hypothetical and Simon is leaping on it like he's accusing him on something. 😂

@danielbuxton4493 19 күн бұрын

You going to lay into Jason Willcox for breaking his contract with us at Southampton, too?!!

@davidh8664 Ай бұрын

The only 2 x football books worth reading - 'Done Deal' by Daniel Geey and 'Be careful what you wish for' by Simon Jordan.

@jeniferallan6693 Ай бұрын

That was cheeky fun 😊

@Joker-yw9hl Ай бұрын

As a Swans fan I always backed Martin but can understand why he'd have wanted to leave. A lot of fans wanted him out and our new owners didn't back him. Fully understand if he's bitter, and he's done well at Southampton, but if Swansea are owed compensation then pay out. We need every pound we can get

@d.jparer5184 Ай бұрын

You completely missed the point.

@Joker-yw9hl Ай бұрын

@@d.jparer5184 fair enough

@seanc6042 Ай бұрын

Assume there’s also a notice period if you want to get out of a contract? Eg. 4 weeks or 12 weeks

@thomasgrant8074 Ай бұрын

Surely the notice period is the length of the contract unless the manager is sacked or the compensation is paid off by a new club.

@danielcarter94 Ай бұрын

Water Company Executives, another industry where you get paid AND bonuses for failure. Banking. Politics. Do you want more, Simon?

@MathewParker-by4nx Ай бұрын

Russell Martin should be sued for crimes against football.

@tonnaboy10 Ай бұрын

Ask Martin the time and it’ll be tomorrow before he finally tells you

@riordo55 Ай бұрын

Simon didn’t have his cheerios this morning, extra grumpy 😅

@purehyperbole5727 Ай бұрын

These managers want to treat managership in the same way as they treated playing when they were players. Players can treat clubs so badly. The club normally has to clean up their messes when they move on without recourse. Not the same for managers, or it shouldn't be. All power to Swansea.

@Foo-oo-oo-oolsGold89 Ай бұрын

Why was Simon being angry and quite short with Martin ? The man was trying to ask questions to make a legitimate point. Calm down Simon ffs 😂😂

@garyross4602 18 күн бұрын

Because Simon had provided a basic explanation of how a contract works and apparently Martin couldn't understand and/or grasp it, thereby requiring Simon to repeat again, and again, and again the same basic concept.

@john-bu6su Ай бұрын

Simon's saying in the contract he cant sackmanagers without paying out the entirety of the contract if the manager doesnt achieve targetets as an example bottom 3 sacked, poor performace . Not reaching the agreed position in league. GTFO.

@jaaguitar Ай бұрын

02:10 er, that's exactly how the real (non-football) world works. You do move as soon as something better comes along 😕

@mark-shane Ай бұрын

O Neil doesnt know what he's talking about

@RyanGRyan1985 Ай бұрын

Wtf is Martin waffling about 😭🙈

@matjenkins6237 25 күн бұрын

Simon is a piece of work. He refused to listen to Martin, or to explore hypothetical scenarios. He didn't need to keep reiterating that a contract is a contract, and the fact that he views and expresses that all managers are just a small cog in a system is uncomfortable at best. Yes football managers get paid a lot, and have the protection of lengthy contracts, but he should at least try to come across as personal and understanding!

@garyross4602 18 күн бұрын

Yes he does because Martin couldn't apparently grasp the response he provided.

@deetee4126 Ай бұрын

Simon Jordan: "I don't tolerate failure" proceeds to fail as a football chairman

@aaronoshea3453 Ай бұрын

You still don't have to tolerate failure, even if you've failed at something yourself. Holding people to high standards is a common trait in all successful people.

@Scooot1972 7 күн бұрын

RM left by mutual consent. You can't say yes, you can go, we wish you well and then sue for damages later. Swansea wanted him out of the door because he never took them up or made the playoffs. Now they realise he needed more time and investment they're not happy. Also, contracts aren't as simple as SJ says. RM might have had in his contract that he would be given X amount to invest and was never given it, in which case they broke the contract. Unless SJ was privy tho the contract, he shouldn't comment or, at minimum, look at all the different angles. SJ is an ex owner and is bitter about paying compo.

@khylelewis Ай бұрын

As a Swans fan, I wasn't aware this was still ongoing. I thought it had been resolved behind the scenes. But from what I know is that Southampton put in an offer for Martin while they were still in the prem, but then just announced Martin joined when they were in the championship after June I think it was officially, so it's a different compensation package. A lower one than they'd first established. I don't get why that's even in dispute why Southampton wouldn't have to pay the premier league rate for it seeing the offer was put forward to him then. But surprised to see that Swansea must see that Martin materialized his own move in a way and should be held accountable as well.

@johnjames4681 Ай бұрын

The bill was always Martin's in my opinion. When these things happen the destination club usually covers the bill for the manager. Swansea had a contract with Martin not Southampton. It is Russ's responsibility. Just as in the case Jordan discussed.

@TC-qd1zw Ай бұрын

Time to grow up. No wonder this Country is in the mire with goons like this lot about.

@lfcspectre4335 Ай бұрын

Sir Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts

@BarryR. Ай бұрын

The day before he left MK Dons to go to Swansea he was telling supporters he wasnt going The man is known as The Snake here. A liar and a fraud

@SuperForkbeard Ай бұрын

There are plenty of people in Swansea who still consider him an above the board, almost saintly figure. Weirdos.

@kevinrobb86 Ай бұрын

Jesus Christ give the man a chance to speak ffs

@user-cy4fz7mo7v Ай бұрын

😊

@bulliboyz Ай бұрын

Simon is very thin skinned isn’t he

@scottd7209 Ай бұрын

What happened to you can’t comment on an ongoing investigation?

@aaronoshea3453 Ай бұрын

It's not a criminal case, it's a civil case. There's no investigation as such. In addition to this, the points raised were purposely generic and hypothetical because the full facts weren't present for debate.

@iMertin Ай бұрын

Simon. Settle lol

@GabeItch2024 Ай бұрын

Why is Jim on this show?! He offers absolutely nothing! Do they have a washed-up alco quota they have to fill?! It's the only logical explanation I can think of 🙄

@adambartlett6277 Ай бұрын

I'm not a fan but he's just the presenter and does a good job in poking SJ to get the best out of him

@charlesleighton8015 Ай бұрын

Martin sounds like JOE BIDEN. He would have been better of keeping quiet.

@SakeJully1 Ай бұрын

Why is SJ so defensive? The guy is walking contradiction, he is part of the Club owners association where he will always defend club owners like he does when it comes the Glazers etc. but he will never admit any club owners are better than him despite his failures at Crystal Palace.

@maxchambers9161 Ай бұрын

Martin o’Neil is the most sinfully boring pundit I’ve ever heard. Constantly mumbling and muttering and tripping over his words. Get him off the old git

@sjfootball1692 Ай бұрын

Tbf Jordan wouldn’t let him speak