Funny....alot of the "smaller" clubs were happy to quote the rules and point and the Arab owned clubs...and now find themselves falling victims of the rules smh

​@@drep9028 the smaller clubs are also happy to reap the benefits of international tv money generated by the big clubs, until they can't follow the rules and shriek 'cartel cartel'

These teams getting promoted to the Premier League will end up going right back down, they will not be able to compete if they can't take a risk and spend money on players and salaries.

@@gooner4life518 correct...all because of the legacy clubs insecurities. They thought City when took over would sign Rooney, John, Terry, Fabregas and Van Persie. Then add Buffon and Cannavaro and storm the league. They got scared of competition and now we have this

@@gooner4life518true, but they are supposedly changing the rules next year so that you can spend up to 85% of your profit over 3 years. And trust me that will stand Leeds, saints, Ipswich in fair stead.

The intern strikes again

100 lines for talksport

I was just gonna say, it's either a very outdated way of saying someone has a big bum or a very obscure reference to cannons.

I assume you caught the "undoubtably" too 🤣

@@bashinknock Good spot for the first one, irregardless.

Sounds like they are screwed if they go up or stay down. What annoys me though is that the PL has been hammering smaller clubs while Man City ignored every rule in the book but because they have extremely rich owners with political connections nothing has been done about it.

⁠Respectfully I don’t agree. The city argument is irrelevant, completely and utterly irrelevant. Everton, Forest and now Leicester have broken PSR it’s incredibly simple, they’ve overspent, lost money and haven’t abided by the rules, these charges are easy to adjudicate and have resolution. City’s 115 charges that are complex in nature, City have also pleaded not guilty therefore the PL need to have an airtight case in order for their charges to stick. This is not the same and for everyone who says but City, Chelsea don’t really understand the situation. They’ll get theirs. Instead of this faux outrage (not saying you are but there are those who are so outraged) people need to look at those clubs and say you broke the rules you were punished end of story, it’s absolutely nothing to do with City, Chelsea or the so called big clubs, the PL are not targeting the so called smaller clubs, only the clubs who’ve broken the rules, City have broken the rules and the PL rightly charged them. To put it another way, legally speaking, if you have two defendants (who have broken the law) 1 has committed one offence, the other multiple offences over a period of time. Defendant 1 pleads guilty and is sentenced accordingly, in a timely manner. Defendant 2 pleads not guilty and hires an expensive law team to defend themselves, it doesn’t make to court in a matter of months it takes a good period of time for the prosecution to get their case together and make sure they get the conviction, the defendants lawyers try and delay and delay, but eventually the prosecution and defence have their day in court and whatever happens from there is in the hands of the jury, if the prosecution does its job they’ll get the conviction they’ve been after. This is exactly what City have done, their within their rights legally to do so, the PL must make sure they’ve got it right to get make sure that their charges of City gets them the guilty verdict they’re after. It’s not one rule for one and another set for the rest it’s just the way the system has to work. However the PL should be more transparent with where they’re at with the City case so that fans and clubs can be kept aware of how it is progressing but without prejudicing their case. Everton, Forest & Leicester have to face the facts that they’ve broken the rules and they’ve been punished appropriately. They can’t complain about it, the facts in their cases are the facts.

​@@Weakeyedominant yet smaller clubs like Forest been buying left and right and struggled to sell

@@Weakeyedominant Please share this proof you apparently have that Manchester City have ignored every rule in the book. Better still share your evidence with the premier league it could be just what they need to move the case along that much quicker.

FFP is destroying football.

Where were all the people complaining about Man City for the last 10 years?

Because they haven't broken fair play rules they are accused of fraud

Innocent til proven guilty!

@@JamesWilsonMDThe slogan of the guilty.

@@andrewwright4195city will be proven guilty…almost impossible 2 prove fraud❕👍👍

Oh the irony 😅

If they do get promoted this season, they surely get sued by the clean clubs that miss out...

Snitches get stitches

MOT

Spot on - and there's no chance of anything happening to Leicester in the near future as that would benefit Leeds and the football authorities would never stand for that

Prob done on purpose cus theyre desperate for interactions on their content 😂

Does anyone actually proof read their content before it goes out ? Their tiles regularly have basic spelling mistakes. I'm sure SJ was not referring to the size of Leicester's trousers 🙈

@@PapaKilo1975 it’s titles lol

@@leemac1774 i mean the thumbnail 'tiles' that you see on KZfaq to click on the article.

@@PapaKilo1975 hmmmmm 🤔

Correct it's becoming a circus! All these fans were pointing at City and reciting rules like gospel...look Tay them now

Unless they initiate the Socialist MLS model its never gonna change!

Newcastle got in the cl last season. Villa are 4th. Spurs went a decade with a zero net spend on transfers but got to a cl final. Leicester won the league. What are you talking about?

@@lilbaz8073 and were they able to maintain their success? Leicester lost their best players to clubs that could pay them more, Newcastle could not add talent to cover their injuries in January (also because they do not have an elite manager) and Spurs did spend money on high profile players and managers btw but were sometimes sluggish to freshen up the squad which Sir Alex was always credited for doing

​@@lilbaz8073 Spurs haven't WON anything, though. Runner-up is just a polite way of spelling loser.

They have form, they went into administration in 2002 , owing £30m & a large part of that was unpaid tax , it was the Collector of Taxes that took them to administration!

@craigshackleton1652 Everton have spent up to a billion in recent years on their squad we won the league and fa cup got money from Europe and sold a lot of players for good prices so how tf were in this situation is beyond me

@@kathchandler4919 Not only that, they had a new stadium constructed and built up a new team, hoovering up top players on stupid money, won promotion then went into administration - stuffing everyone they owed money to. They still went up though. Are they trying it on again? Why not, they got away with it last time.

But noone is speaking about ☻️👈 this emoji

@@gibson617ajg lol Leicester did not have top players to win the prem. It was the Thai money that sorted out the fallout.. your incorrect.

Forest ..derby ..Coventry which one lol ..😂

@@Eric-qm5xw what makes you think anybody thinks Leicester are relevant to their club, as far as I am aware no club considers their Darby game to be against Leicester? Nobody cares but how the club went bust, and the cheating afterwards was obscene!

@@waynewal971 salty haha 😂

A lot of these rules only came into effect last year and the year before.

Keep talking about city and chelsea and watch them pull up on your club too

What does it matter what Chelsea or City have done in the Everton case- Everton broke the rules so they got punished. If City had gotten punished before Everton, would that have made the points deduction and the inept way your club has been run easier to swallow? You got deducted points because your club has been run terribly not because City have been cheating. There is no secret plot against everton- why would there be, Everton arent significant in the macro economic landscape of world football. No one apart from Everton fans care about Everton.

It's not hard to grasp, it's called corruption. They're not going to actually charge Manchester City with anything. They are just hoping we either forget all about those charges or just accept nothing is going to happen.

You’re right the charges go back to 2009 when there was no such thing as FFP then 👍🏾👍🏾 you don’t even know what you’re talking about, just chatting out of your ass. The City situation isn’t the same as the other clubs situation like what do you not understand about that. Chelsea under the new regime haven’t broken PSR yet key word is yet they most likely will June 30th but idk why you’re complaining when those teams knew the rules and still chose to break the rules

you must not watch the show...lol

No he doesn’t, he just says cities is hard to proof cus its not a simple over spending budget, its proving sponsees were inflated, which brings in accusations of fraud against major companies attached to state governments, so clearly the prem are going to struggle to actually prove that. Why don’t people actually listen to Stefan instead of just waffling there bs agendas against city

Forest and Everton have been found guilty City not, so by your logic you wish he says City is guilty when City have not been?

Everton and forrest are getting charged with heavy speeding fines. Man City are charged with murder. Apples and oranges.

Well said! I just said the same comment. Borson is an absolute clown.

It should be a requirement to compete in the league in question. If a club plays silly buggers and refuses to show the accounts they should be suspended from playing and deducted 3 points for every match they can't play until they show the books. I bet you only one club will try it, and only once and it would never happen again.

The over seeing bodies should impose immediate fines if ..if..clubs don’t apply and if they have not done so..that’s there fault. The whole thing is a mess..and draconian rules about pay structure etc is a nonsense.

if you watched the vid you would understand

@@AA_lcfc I do understand, it’s a joke. The whole thing is farcical. Leicester didn’t exactly splash the cash. These rules are making it near on impossible for anyone to break into the big big club at the top. Feel for Newcastle fans, must have thought all this money, we have made it. But door has been firmly shut, was okay for Chelsea and City to do it but we will now stop anyone else. Prem is a joke

@@SuperKinloNot strictly true, not exactly Man City money but they have spent over half a billion pounds on players since winning the title.

@@SuperKinlobingo, that’s why the rules are there! keep the establishment! (I’d argue the same about var helping to rig games too) - the rules are stupid anyway, if you have or can get the cash you should be able to spend what you want

Chelsea haven't even been charged.

@@alexasrat9005yes they have talk sport discussed it 2 days ago

Shouldn't have voted for the stupid rules in the first place. Red cartel laughing at you

City was not charged for FFP but misrepresentation of funds. Two different things to be fair

@@gboi264 exactly

The refereeing is horrific in the EFL, wait until you have 6 or 7 goals disallowed and double again in penalties when the championship clubs kick lumps out of the PL teams.

Wouldn't need so much injury time if players didn't waste so much time!

You read my mind...being an Everton fan I'm thinking, would dropping down be such a bad thing, considering the S**t show the Prem is!

@@ShelbybossV8 it would be a disaster for Everton, the ffp restrictions are even stricter and the efl loves putting its thumb on pl teams that think they are too big for them. If they failed to bounce back immediately their squad would be threadbare very quickly.

The only plus to the premier league is the money, but that’s becoming a double edged sword with the amount you have to spend to survive…it’s wages that are killing the game, players are been given to much.

leicester never gained a sporting advantage. they didn’t even sign players when they was in the PL last seaosn

They overspent, they clearly and obviously gained a sporting advantage. If they bought nobody that season it just means they should have sold assets to remain FFP compliant. It's not rocket science. @@AA_lcfc

A quick look at transfermarkt shows they signed Faes, Souttar and Kristiansen for £48m in total.@@AA_lcfc

@@AA_lcfcSouttar 17 million, Faes 17 Million, Kristiansen 14 million. £48,000,000. Tell me again how they didn't sign anybody.

Forest didn't gain any advantage. 🤣

Almost like it was intentional

They got 80 million for maguire, 75 million for fofana massive parachute payments and prizes for the prem and fa cup including many years of tv money. Even Rodgers had multiple interviews saying the owners can't spend money. And then Man city and Chelsea spend billions and the can keeps being kicked back. Very odd. Of course if the owner change depleted the capital and other things affected it fair enough but it looks a bit daft. It's not like they spent big or had big wages and they were succesfull! Even having champions league money, then selling all their best players... very very odd.

As an Ipswich fan, I disagree. I think what’s going on is protecting other clubs from ever being able to get to the levels of the big boys. Was okay for Chelsea and City but now the likes of Newcastle, Villa, and other clubs have cash wealthy owners they have changed the ball park. Elite just looking out for themselves not interested in competition. Is what the super league proposal was all about.

I know lets not them play the rest of the season too!! KNOB!!

@@Driller0072 nah they can still play nob

@@Musician7831 🤫🤫

I don't think that was the case but, to be fair, that the amount hasn't been raised (in line with inflation?) in the eleven years since clubs voted it in is ridiculous.

Please explain how deducting points from relegation threatened teams is helping to achieve that?

​@@mhead4376it should ward clubs away from breaking the rules. How the hell is that not simple.

Blame the owners. They knew the rules, they broke them. I bet the fans were loving it when the shiny new players were unveiled.

Exactly. I love football, but it shoots itself in the foot. It thinks its above everything else

As a villa fan seeing a Leeds fan not happy is brilliant 😂

@@dangleebitz2590 At the cost of the integrity of the league? Shallow as ever are villa fans.

S.O.T.V

Quit makin it always about City…stop being a jealous hater n u will feel better ❤️‍🩹 1 day‼️🙄

you sound scared @@blueshadow62

City are a small club

@@carter3369 With the home crowd record and the biggest turnover in England I very much doubt it.

​@carter3369 have ypu ever been to England?

They're in the PL

Forest were in the PL for a season and the FL 22 seasons in a row before that? Leicester were in Pl for 10 years or so, how's that fair?

They probably wouldn’t want it delayed with Luton, Sheff Utd and Burnley in the league

@@TheBake1986 correct, next year will be a lot tighter if Leeds and Leicester go back up. It looks like Leicester will struggle next season though if they can't strengthen their squad and need to sell a star player to balance their books.

Forest & Everton are in the PL. The PL can deduct points from teams that are in the PL. Leicester are in the Championship, the PL cannot deduct points from a team that is not in the PL. If they get promoted, they'll then get points deducted. This is not difficult to understand.

Leeds should.stay in the lower leagues where they can pretend they are something special! Spent half their history there too, back where they belong this season!

If Leeds go up this season which they hopefully will ironically going down a league will have been beneficial. We’ve been able to regroup, get some stability and though we were a little slow to gel it hasn’t been detrimental to our campaign. Everton probably do need to go down and reset. The money in the premier league is ridiculous. Realistically you need a season where all the big teams are going through transition to have a Leicester scenario again. It’s nice winning games and having aspirations other than slugging it out to stay up. You lose a game but then play on a Tuesday so can get over it quickly enough.

@@evertonfc5380 when the last time you won a trophy lol, tin pot club everton are !

@@TheTudorPrincess thats not the point, leeds have suffered massive financial loss due to them clubs cheating so they should get compensation for that !

And there's also now a case to sue for this season , Leicester and the EFL, as Leicester have gained a 40m advantage in their squad as a result of cheating this year. I hope that Leicester now finishes 3rd and is beaten in the playoffs, then the EFL throws the whole 9 yards at them, next season

😂😂

Yeah a significant bleach , clearly someone's cleaned up.

@@lesmartin8131 bleacher Report’s

Yup it is ridiculous. From the application, the ridiculous accounting of player depreciation, don't even get me started on this stupidity, to the timeliness,

Leeds went down because they had a league 1 defence ffs.

Don't put Chelsea and city together, Chelsea haven't been charged, we don't even know for 100% that they will be

@@emmanedits9596 won't be far behind tho

Lol at least your honest ..how’s it affected their performance in the championship though ? A lot of there best left Maddison ..Tielemens etc the current club is a empty husk in comparison.

I’m a Town fan too and totally agree we have complied with FFP rules despite probably having money to spend. Leicester got demoted but still bought in 4-5 players that cost over £5 million each when they should have probably been using money from transfers to balance the books instead. Also manipulating the system to avoid any EFL punishment. The 3 demoted teams have a huge advantage as it is all having a wage bill 3-5 times higher than ours with Leicesters being the highest and now it appears they have completely broken all the FFP rules in both leagues. Zero sympathy for them.

@@jc4778 lol salty 😅

@@Eric-qm5xw it’s not a level playing field and then it becomes apparent Leicester have been breaking the rules over 3 seasons which will give then even more of an advantage and use loopholes to avoid punishment that would probably mean they would have had to sell more players before this season and yet I’m salty 🤣

@@jc4778 Lol I can tell ya are ..salty. All the best

The rules are bullshit. Not a Leicester fan btw.

Yeah lets forget the fa cup

To be relegated so soon after is utter failure.

Lol

I thought you meant BEECHING ! He made a lot of cuts didn’t he ..

exellent idea

Send them too the conference league .

Nahhh City is laughing more about the losers after winning 🏆 the Quintuple 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆

Man City it is one rule for one and one for another. They think they are above the law!!!!

@drubry1854 It’s 100% true actually

Newcastle fan here, and the only reason we voted for FFP at the time was because of our then owner, Mike Ashley. He loved the idea of clubs having to be 'self-sufficient' because it meant he didn't have to spend a single penny of his own money on us. The trouble with being self-sufficient is that unless your club has a revenue stream of a Man U, Liverpool, or Arsenal, then you are never going to compete and the best you can hope for is mid table obscurity.

No city and chelsea voted against. Southampton abstained.

Sesame St fan here I agree

Then they have to show the efl their accounts and will get hit hard.

They will go into administration again.

They won't go into admin the owner has money but is not allowed to spend

Plenty of, just not in this conversation as it's about Leicester's attempts to hide a season's financial records by claiming neither body (PL or EFL) has jurisdiction. City's case has no bearing on Chelsea. Chelsea's case has no bearing on Leicester's. Leicester's case has no bearing on City's. If you're on trial for murder, you can't raise a defense based on that other guy in the papers last month who done 6 murders. The judge and jury won't determine your guilt by their case, only the facts of your case.

They were mentioned. About how Man City is avoiding being charged and the fact that it has no bearing on Leicester. Man City's case is due next year and more about fraud than FFP. They lied over their income, exaggerated sponsorship money by millions (maybe one for HMRC), Leicester on the other hand have just overspent and don't want to admit it. Man City could be in bigger trouble than any club breaking FFP.

IKR WAT ABOUT CITYYYY 🤷‍♂️

How is that

@@jamieoshea4189 moaning about the premier league and the need for independent regulators and calling many times for the government to get involved and regulate English football. He’s gone on about it constantly and now, the premier league are acting strict trying to prove they don’t need to be regulated by external organisations, hence the ffp charges for minor breaches of financial fair play. Now I might be wrong, 100%, but we’ve never seen so many ffp charges, I don’t ever remember a premier league team being given points deductions, if I’ve missed something please correct me because this is just my opinion and I’m not 100% clued up on ffp so I could be wrong

have you ever met a talksport listener? They are literally pondlife

He don't half rabbit on!!!🤣

Because much like people on the street, we can overspend and get into financial trouble. Why should a club with over 100 years of history go under because of a reckless owner. Come on mate , try a bit harder to work things out.

@adammohamed.. no club or business has a God given right to survive independently of it's age. For every bad business that dies, a better one takes it's place. It's basic law of evolution and free markets. Like a sick animal that dies gives place to a stronger one to use resources and build it's lineage. Football is no different. Just because you're emotionally attached to a club doesn't mean it has to exist forever. Your feelings have no business doing business, they just a problem of yours.

Clubs couldn't regulate themselves, that's why so many have gone into administration. Virtually all clubs wanted these rules. The clubs that are now being punished voted for these rules. With one or two exceptions owners don't want to be having to pump huge sums of money into their clubs every year to cover operating losses, but when your competitors are doing it you have to as well, and then it leads to a race to the bottom as transfer fees and wages spiral out of control.

@@crystalclean9775 You're talking nonsense fella.

@@crystalclean9775 that’s very true. If we’re talking about business, I’m of the belief that football clubs are an integral part of our culture and our communities. It’s not like the local café down the high Street.

In 23/24 bought 6 players cost 42m. Sold Madison, Barnes ,Castagne total 105m.

Leicester have not yet submitted their accounts for the previous season in the Premier league...and according to the Premier league they are guilty of surpassing the legal limit of financial accountability... Leicester have been charged but have not yet been found GUILTY, so withhold your 'Cheat' comments until the facts are fully understood... you're not a Leicester fan obviously, and If you're happy with football going the way it's going with The Top 6 Mafia controlling English football then that is the END of every other Club trying to compete with them.

@@wobkgs what does that tell you about their financial irresponsibility then if they’ve STILL breached FFP?

The smaller clubs have not fought it they have admitted fault. City are denying fault. F*cks sake how much of a helmet do you need to be to not understand it yet. They are totally different cases.

😂😂😂😂😂0 ball knowledge

With city they saying the faked the amount of money where paid by sponsors ,which is probably true if we being honest but the current evidence the FA as is not good enough they waiting for court to release more documents to them when that happens and then they don't send city packing it's an issue.

No it doesn't. It looks like the case is ongoing and the hearing is expected around August.

Still being calculated . 😊

In what way are they forgotten. It's literally an ongoing investigation. The charges City are facing is in relation to fraud which is a far more complicated process to investigate compared to FFP charges which Leicester/Forest and Everton have faced. Saying that City's charges have been brushed under the carpet is the most flawed comment

@@phillipcarter8045 🙏🙏🙏

But that would effectively equate to a relegation.

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