Stefan Borson REACTS To Nottingham's Points Deduction & ARGUES Why It Is NOT Comparable To Everton 👀

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Finance expert, Stefan Borson, reacts with talkSPORT to Nottingham Forest's point deduction and explains why Everton's points deduction is not comparable.
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@typicalcity9320 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for coming on my channel Stefan! Educating the masses as usual, or at least those that want educating! Great stuff!

@harryn1602 2 ай бұрын

🤣🤣 yeah cause your account looks like it isn't biased at all 🤡

@harryn1602 2 ай бұрын

why don't you invite someone who wasn't on the city pay roll to give their opinion next time lol

@pataleno 2 ай бұрын

A lot of it is common sense. City broke rules to get to a level quickly. They will do everything in their power to wriggle out of it.

@grammerskoolboy 2 ай бұрын

Evertons initial sanction was 10 points not 6

@davidwebster5946 2 ай бұрын

Yeah and the 6 points in the appeal set a precedent so it was always going to impact the Forrest case

@Efcdan1878 2 ай бұрын

@@davidwebster5946setting precedents because the rule is pish ....just make it a rule with clear pts deductions.

@davidwebster5946 2 ай бұрын

@@Efcdan1878 so your expectations is for the rules to be written absolutely perfectly first time without any need for review once they are tested at tribunal? Aye sounds reasonable 🤣

@mikethomas4423 2 ай бұрын

@@davidwebster5946 I understand your principle of precedence , but I think my friend was trying to articulate his words in this manner , the rules need to be clearly defined and not changed halfway through a process to suit an agenda . At first we were allowed to incorporate our stadium defect into allowances . Then midway through the process they changed this rule .

@lilbaz8073 2 ай бұрын

@@mikethomas4423 nope. Read the report not social media. Everton tried to say a loan was for the stadium so the interest shouldn't count. It was found the loan was spent on players so did count. The interest was only £2m anyway so you'd still be in breach.

@FelixGallardo1946 2 ай бұрын

Until Man City are sanctioned, every club sanctioned in the meantime will feel hard done by. City are the obvious elephant in the room who as of now the Premier League haven’t touched, even though their breaches date back further than Everton and Forest’s

@rakimrobinsonMCFC 2 ай бұрын

The charges are completely different and those clubs admitted guilt. FFP should be suspended for everyone pending City outcome?

@BritishRosie-es3zr 2 ай бұрын

@@rakimrobinsonMCFCyes they should - because the order the penalties are handed out will affect which teams stay up!

@rakimrobinsonMCFC 2 ай бұрын

@BritishRosie-es3zr None of the 3 faced the same charges, though. It's 3 completely different cases. Why would one be dependent on the other?

@joerooney6133 2 ай бұрын

We had to sell Richarlison and Gordon before deadlines cheaper than we would have liked too!

@THFCYidz82 2 ай бұрын

🤣🤣you think Richarlison is worth more than £60m 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@JC-ip8ur 2 ай бұрын

@@THFCYidz82hes not, but with the state of the market they could have got more, he is the brazilian number 9 to be fair.

@THFCYidz82 2 ай бұрын

@@JC-ip8ur and ? He still isn’t worth the £60m weight paid let alone more . So no who cares if he’s Brazils no9 , obviously there worst No 9 in decades !

@Efcdan1878 2 ай бұрын

@@THFCYidz82Brazil's #9 100% he was, Havertz cost more 😂

@vjaska 2 ай бұрын

Barca bid £85m for Richarlison in 2020 and Everton turned it down - you & Forest broke rules and rightly should be punished with points deductions along with those blue plastic lot in Manchester who should be liquidated let alone kicked into the National League

@marc1mueller 2 ай бұрын

Where can we see the rest of this including section that is cut off at the end?

@joerooney6133 2 ай бұрын

It's 3 played 6. They said 6 points is minimum for the breach in the report. It was 3 for Forest and they got 3 extra for significant breach.

@jordanbrooks4834 2 ай бұрын

Why did Jim make that comment at the end for them to cut the video off?😂

@1957bumpy 2 ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly

@jmc531 2 ай бұрын

Stefan Borson looks like Martin O'Neill through a Snapchat kid filter.

@albertbrammer9263 2 ай бұрын

They budgeted on finishing 12th. That alone is stupid.

@TrFjAcOr 2 ай бұрын

Yeh! So was taking on lots of expensive wages. Keylor Navas in goal?

@LookatmySquirrelhands 2 ай бұрын

@@TrFjAcOrIf Forest didn’t sign Navas they would have likely been relegated! It was worth breaking the rules and getting the points deduction for that alone.

@bookiesfreebet6221 2 ай бұрын

I agree with most of it. I’m an Arsenal fan so no bias. Is it fair smaller clubs can be held to ransom on prices of their best players because clubs know they finances. Simon saying they should sell for 15m less to avoid it but whoever was offering 15m was just being a shark

@Abattoirville 2 ай бұрын

Rules are the Rules , admitting guilt is guiltiness. City don't admit guilt. Lynch mob mentality is obvious in Citys case. What are the charges?

@Efcdan1878 2 ай бұрын

Admitted guilt of not submitting accounts either you did or you didn't

@Chip_in 2 ай бұрын

Failure to provide accurate and up-to-date financial information from 2009/10 to and including 2017/18 (54 breaches) Failure to provide accurate financial reports for player and manager compensation from 2009/10 to and including 2017/18 (14 breaches) Failure to comply with UEFA’s regulations, including UEFA’s Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations (5 breaches) Breaches of Premier League profitability and sustainability regulations from 2015/16 to and including 2017/18 (7 breaches) Failure to cooperate with Premier League investigations from December 2018 - present (35 breaches) ⛳

@rakimrobinsonMCFC 2 ай бұрын

@Chip_in Do they have the real statements?

@Abattoirville 2 ай бұрын

@@Chip_in Thanks for that. It has been going on so long . They must have a detail of each individual breach by now surely? which supposedly would be a single charge. ie 115 charges listed individually for clarity.

@shortie8512 2 ай бұрын

What I don't understand is why Forest bought 42 players when PL rules state you can only name 25 for the season, so signing 17 players more than you can field is just lunacy and they only have themselves to blame

@MelGilbert 2 ай бұрын

42 players was the number of in's over the last two seasons. You have to bear in mind that Forest had 5 loan players who went back and another 12 out of contract at the end of the promotion season. Several others weren't considered, rightly or wrongly, to be good enough so we essentially had to build an entire squad. Even with the players we had our squad valuation was just 12 million when we were promoted and we were expected to compete with the likes of the top six who all have squads valued in excess of a billion. Nobody expected us to get promoted; it came out of the blue, especially since we had been rock bottom of the league after seven games before Coops was hired. Even the mid table clubs have squads worth many times the value of ours, even after Marinakis spent all that money. The rules were originally supposed to avoid teams having an unfair advantage but ironically they have accomplished the exact opposite. Why can all established Premier League teams lose up to 105 mill over a three year period when promoted teams like Forest can only lose 61? And if you say "but they are the rules" then I think I'll scream because that's the whole point, the rules aren't fit for purpose. Forest would have been a good 10 mill within the limit if they were tasked with the same losses as every other team, as in Everton. The new rules proposed are meant to accomplish two things: to solidify the top six's strangle hold on the nation's game and to create an amnesty for Man City and Chelsea (as well as possibly Man U I hear who might also be in trouble) so their transgressions can conveniently get swept under the rug. Please don't tell me no-one's palms are getting greased here.

@markkerrigan5692 2 ай бұрын

And they paid lingaard 100k a week 😮

@thomasrigby2314 2 ай бұрын

Rules are rules.... ..😂 from a Manchester city fan, are you joking

@BLUEMOON73MCFC 2 ай бұрын

What's who he supports got to do with it

@creasicle 2 ай бұрын

Oh yeah but he's adamant City are innocent. As far as Stefan is concerned the Premier League have shot themselves in the foot by charging City and should've stayed out of Mr McGregor's garden.

@3l237 2 ай бұрын

@@creasicle he never said city are innocent, he said pl won't be able to prove the accusations

@StandardsFC 2 ай бұрын

@@3l237so when you can’t prove something…they are in fact innocent. Innocent until proven guilty is the saying. Look I’m a United fan but it’s about what’s right and not what you think. Until it’s PROVEN…just be quiet.

@drep9028 2 ай бұрын

I think all these clubs thought that City were going to sign Rooney, Cr7, John Terry, Ashley Cole, Van Persie, Fabregas+ a dash of Ronaldhinio and Canavaro and storm the league when the takeover came. They thus created these shady rules and now look very silly. That is my theory anyway

@melvynrobinson7479 2 ай бұрын

At last someone talking sense

@stevencurran7656 2 ай бұрын

Everton never had a sporting chance were did that come from were still fighting relegation

@keithbaxendale1612 2 ай бұрын

What is abundantly clear is that the PL is predicting what mitigation might work and then asking for points deductions based on what might work in mitigation. That’s not how mitigation works and none of these numpties is addressing that point. In a criminal case you might get 10 yrs when the maximum is 14yrs. The judge doesn’t give 14yrs expecting the mitigation to drop it. 8 points deduction is 1 less than liquidation of the club. Why is that the PL starting point? Because they expect it to be reduced and demand more accordingly.

@sparkyred42 2 ай бұрын

How sad it is that football had sunk to these depths.....Money has destroyed the game, as it does most things.

@maco8010 2 ай бұрын

Where us the rules with man city and Chelsea

@harrypowell6898 2 ай бұрын

Does anyone else think of the cheese tax song every time he says "the rules are the rules" 😂😂😂

@BG_MKY 2 ай бұрын

Prem say forest only got 4 cuz they worked with them . Wasnt that the same exuse as to why everton got point deduction and citys is taking so long 😂😂😂

@alfieb6711 2 ай бұрын

clearly didn’t watch this video did u?

@mrdan7740 2 ай бұрын

Forest breach was temporary, for 1 month. It’s a joke. Screw the EPL and screw those who are unable to see the unfair nature of the rules. It’s time they made the rules debt based. How can Man Utd be £750m plus in debt, but still have no penalty for Profit and Sustainability?

@thorntonovski 2 ай бұрын

Dont think you have a case against UTD. its technically a mortgage against the club which is worth about 4.6 billion. So not really a debt in that sense

@TheMartinTD 2 ай бұрын

United haven’t breached any rules, you just don’t understand how business works that’s all.

@alexgoulding8459 2 ай бұрын

How can this email about Johnson not be considered misleading. Utter nonsense

@paulcope834 2 ай бұрын

Nottingham Forest currently have no clue with their transfers. It just got way out of hand. It's incompetence on a huge scale and last season I had no clue what the hell was going on. We kept having different CEOs our eye for a player has been completely forked.

@anvil9263 2 ай бұрын

Is there an argument that you need to spend big like Forrest when coming up to survive the promotion instead of becoming a yoyo club. Fair to say Forrest came up in the toughest premier league in years, there wasn't the given "easy club or yoyo club" in that season.

@nabotherato5089 2 ай бұрын

stefan borson is difficult to take seriously

@85ABC 2 ай бұрын

It’s funny how Forrest say they are disappointed… Don’t break the rules. It’s simple. How can you be surprised when you break the rules, and then admit to the breach? Just don’t break the rules in the first place….

@1865KR 2 ай бұрын

Who are Forrest?

@Nttmf 2 ай бұрын

@@1865KR it’s spelt with one R. Forest.

@1865KR 2 ай бұрын

@@Nttmf I know mate, but he didn't!

@Matthew-bu7fg 2 ай бұрын

if we don't break the rules then we are this season's Sheffield United. The rules are not fit for purpose

@lilbaz8073 2 ай бұрын

@@Matthew-bu7fg how many players did you buy? You seriously telling me you needed to buy that many to stay up? Other teams have come up and not broken the rules and stayed up.

@JohnRowland-ec5dr 2 ай бұрын

there is a way around psr keep rules the same allow owner's to buy players under his name and he can loan them to his team no threat on club

@AlanMitchellAustralia 2 ай бұрын

As a Forest fan, I feel for Everton. Clearly both clubs have been punished, Everton more so. Sad times for 'small' clubs wanting to actually compete with the aristocracy. Meanwhile, Man City look on with laughter and hubris...

@alfieb6711 2 ай бұрын

if the same crime was committed by two different people, the consequences each other gets are different cuz they’re different cases, why can’t people see it’s the same thing here

@imranpatel9087 2 ай бұрын

Every1's waiting Man City & Chelsea outcomes. PL need to come out regarding their outcomes before end of this season.

@onset6ix 2 ай бұрын

😂

@1957bumpy 2 ай бұрын

Man City and Chelsea will be done after November when the rules change lol

@dylanb.117 2 ай бұрын

@@1957bumpy Not how it works

@Ruscococo1 2 ай бұрын

The appeals make this so stupid, what they need to do is change it. 1 breach is 10 points and administration is 20 points, 4-6 points is worth cheating for for many clubs.

@kennyharper5891 2 ай бұрын

They are just not being implemented in the same way for some clubs.

@johnhampton6462 2 ай бұрын

The man who was man. City financial adviser during the 115 charges!??

@Batemann1980 2 ай бұрын

Nope

@Adamjames123 2 ай бұрын

No wrong from 2001 to 2007

@mrjaybee1234 2 ай бұрын

I think apply points deduction so apply at the the start of the current or next season. You should start off with -10 points. Playing a entire season and then randomly deduction point and potencially decided who get relegated is to messy. Especailly if they appeal and it get reduced and now another teams get relgated becuase of the appeal & reduced points. Account end june. you should get 1 season & the summer to investigate & appeal. Then the dediction to be applied when the season starts.

@Pappa953 2 ай бұрын

Would be a lot more simple if all the yr end dates were the same Transfer window Trading date . But then its all about to change anyway.

@1957bumpy 2 ай бұрын

For man city's 115 charges

@danscape 2 ай бұрын

Just on the European Super League, the top clubs weren’t going to leave the Premier League, they were going to leave the Champions League, so we’d still be playing them each week but we’d have no way to compete in Europe because that was a closed shop. Seems a common misconception that the clubs wanted to leave their domestic leagues, a misconception pushed quite a bit because it caused more uproar against the idea, some wilful misunderstanding if you like. However we’d be stuck playing the top 6 and trying to compete with their finances.

@lilbaz8073 2 ай бұрын

Didn't agree with the esl. But the clubs trying to form it didn't break any rules in doing so. The fine from the prem was a token gesture to draw a line. Uefa's punishment got overturned in the courts and ruled illegal.

@danscape 2 ай бұрын

@@lilbaz8073 yeah just think there’s a mass misunderstanding that the ESL was to replace the Premier League, it was really just an attempt to replace the Champions League, which to be honest I couldn’t care much about at the moment, but they did want to make it a closed shop and hard for other clubs to step up. Not really an issue for us in the near future, but maybe down the line.

@lilbaz8073 2 ай бұрын

@@danscape agreed.

@eoghanryan4294 2 ай бұрын

What about Chelsea and man city...guess depends how big or small a club it is

@04h239 2 ай бұрын

I guess you're not even listening to what he's saying

@bareknuckles2u 2 ай бұрын

It's great to have Stefan on the show so he can be interrupted mid-sentence continuously.

@keithbaxendale1612 2 ай бұрын

Yeah, he said we wouldn’t get back more than one or two. We got four!! He’s a financial guy, he has no place in this conversation.

@drumwench3010 2 ай бұрын

I agree that Marinakis/accountants messed up. But I disagree with the whole "It was a commercial decision to not sell Brennan in the January Window" thing. If we sold Brennan then, we were going down. Taiwo Awoniyi was out injured, as he is indeed made of biscuits. He got the goals during that period by and large, and played a massive part in keeping us up. My other view on this is as follows. You're Evangelos Marinakis, the club you own arguably got promoted a season too soon, and you're struggling to keep your head above water in the PL. Do you just meekly accept your fate of going back to the Championship, or double down and spend the money in order to have a cat in hell's chance of staying up? Which is the better business decision? Given that the club get a fortune for every season in the Prem, notwithstanding the boost to the city and general uplift to the mood of the fan base, are we so surprised that the Big Fat Greek went for it?

@frasierfreak92 2 ай бұрын

Pretty funny that he’s saying that whilst supporting a team that broke them all

@rLxJake 2 ай бұрын

Hahahaha Meanwhile 115 charges are still unpunished.

@JC-ip8ur 2 ай бұрын

And wont be

@bobofett3966 2 ай бұрын

Obviously not interested in listening to the financial expert, just hell bent on seeing City punished whether guilty or not. Must support on of the red wall clubs how predictable

@rLxJake 2 ай бұрын

@@bobofett3966 maybe I’m just laughing at how unfair it is to see a club that’s been charged by UEFA and the premier league get off on a technicality by UEFA rules and then the premier league punish clubs before a team that has broken all of these rules: a) for Season 2009/10, Premier League Rules B.13, C.71, C.72, C.75 (amended to C.79 from 10 September 2009 for the remainder of Season 2009/10) and C.80; (b) for Season 2010/11, Premier League Rules B.13, C.78, C.79, C.86 and C.87; (c) for Season 2011/12, Premier League Rules B.13, E.3, 4, E.11 and E.12; (d) for Season 2012/13, Premier League Rules 16, E.3, E.4, E.11 and E.12; (e) for Season 2013/14, Premier League Rules 15, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.49; (f) for Season 2014/15, Premier League Rules 16, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.50; (g) for Season 2015/16, Premier League Rules 16, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.50; (h) for Season 2016/17, Premier League Rules16, E.3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.51; and (i) for Season 2017/18, Premier League Rules B.16, 3, E.4, E.11, E.12 and E.51. (1) for Seasons 2010/11 and 2011/12, Premier League Rules K.12 and K.20; (2) for Season 2012/13, Premier League Rules T.12 and T.20; (3) for Seasons 2013/14 and 2014/15, Premier League Rules T.12 and T.19; and (4) for Season 2015/16, Premier League Rules T.13 and T.20. (a) for Season 2013/14, Premier League Rule B.14.6; and (b) for Seasons 2014/15 to 2017/18 inclusive, Premier League Rule B.15.6 a) for Season 2018/19, Premier League Rules B.16, B.19, W.1, W.2, W.12 and W.13; (b) for Season 2019/20, Premier League Rules B.16, B.19, W.1, W.2, W.12 and W.13; (c) for Season 2020/21, Premier League Rules B.16, B.19, W.1, W.2, W.12 and W.13; (d) for Season 2021/22, Premier League Rules B.15, B.18, W.1, W.2, W.15 and W.16; and (e) for Season 2022/23, Premier League Rules B.15, B.18, W.1, W.2, W.15 and W.16.

@rLxJake 2 ай бұрын

@@bobofett3966 You and the other 12 city fans can lie to yourselves all you want but we all know without a shadow of a doubt that your club cheated their way to the top.

@drep9028 2 ай бұрын

@@rLxJakemany lawbreakers "get away on technicality" every day. But what's City's crime? Investing more of their own money? If you gonna make these weird rules...better be prepared to battle with proper lawyers I say

@SennaStar 2 ай бұрын

Happy Dayz for Luton 😃

@liammullan2197 2 ай бұрын

Forest took a calculated risk I think... they were on the brink of relegation in Jan '23 so they spent money despite PSR and they stayed up as a result of Felipe, Navas etc arriving. They've taken a 4 point deduction but if they stay up this season then surely overall the risk paid off?

@jtmmmm27 2 ай бұрын

Football is turning into a court room drama, get Perry Mason on!!!

@MJ-ip7oj 2 ай бұрын

This guy worked for City, he’s the financial expert talksport use, go and get another experts view and let’s see the difference.

@thorntonovski 2 ай бұрын

Smart then, because city are untouchable at this stage

@thatitladi9650 2 ай бұрын

My point exactly. He's so objective with all the other clubs except for city

@Databrokersarethedevil 2 ай бұрын

That’s bollock those that enforce the rules break them themselves countlessly

@bobthecat6188 2 ай бұрын

The rules are the rules , but the punishments are a lucky dip ,

@pj1597 2 ай бұрын

It’s a Circus now….

@magicaces13 2 ай бұрын

i dont think anyone minds the fact that if clubs break ffp then they should be punished. What people are getting frustrated about is how the big clubs are able to make it work for them and not be punished.

@alfieb6711 2 ай бұрын

seems as though 99% of the comments ain’t watched the videos jus generally didn’t listen😂

@jeffdbaker71 2 ай бұрын

The rules are there to Make sure that the only teams that can spend big money are in the top six. They disguised it to make it look like it's there to protect lower in teams like forest from going under. The way it is designed right now, there is no way one of the lower end teams will ever catch the top six teams. Job well done Top six you all have outstanding lawyers.

@barbarohelm9697 2 ай бұрын

Unless your abu dhabi then you just sign cheques 😂😂😂

@kevinbaines5935 2 ай бұрын

Let’s see all 20 clubs accounts see what everyone got allowances for.

@Sutty0151 2 ай бұрын

Apparently there already available to the public to view I wouldn’t understand any of it so kinda pointless to me

@user-tc1fq6mb1e 2 ай бұрын

Nice One Guy's 😷

@waynewal971 2 ай бұрын

We have been stuffed, 2 years in championship at at 60 mil had a team of loans had to compete, what do you want Forest to do? take the money and the parachute payments and not try to compete? It’s ridiculous!

@lfcspectre4335 2 ай бұрын

Jordanite putting this Stefan in his place as always = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts

@davidwebster5946 2 ай бұрын

The simple fact is most fans don't have a clue about finances or financial law therefore it's incredibly easy for the likes of Jim to rile people up and make them think it's a scandal.

@scottadams4655 2 ай бұрын

Whats going on with City?? Surly they need to be fined this season too

@1865KR 2 ай бұрын

Fined! surely you mean points deducted......actually, yeh you are probably right, 1k per breach so what, just over 100k. That would be about right🤔

@winstonkay 2 ай бұрын

For what

@1865KR 2 ай бұрын

@@winstonkay right now. Absolutely nothing. It's just crazy how long these things take mind you.

@parmvirvirk8959 2 ай бұрын

Rules are rules unless your 115 FC.

@_LipeH 2 ай бұрын

Rules are rules, but try them first 😉

@kieranb1306 2 ай бұрын

Let's be honest the commission at the Premier League is absolutely inept, they are under huge pressure to get these sanctions that they set theirselves and are panicking, and this filters down. The PGMOL also don't have a clue and you can see with the changes in the rules every year, which only confuses the fans and puts their referees in comprimsing positions when big decisions are needed to be made, regarding rule changes.

@lilbaz8073 2 ай бұрын

It's an independent commission. Kc's hired to hear the case. They don't care. They'll make a decision, take their money and walk away.

@pauldawson7776 2 ай бұрын

As long as clubs can annually prove they can pay wages, afford transfers and have enough in reserve to avoid insolvency clubs shud be allowed to spend what they like. Absolute top 6 )lucky enough to be there now) corruption and closed shop anti competition across Europe. Scared of another Leicester city or threat to the established it’s a disgrace

@seantobin6291 2 ай бұрын

You can’t present new evidence by the way on appeal

@kevinbaines5935 2 ай бұрын

We’ve swapped agents for barristers and the premier leagues own governance for government. Well and truly messed all this up premier league well done.

@user-fi2db3xp8k 2 ай бұрын

Why do the rules apply to Man city or Chelsea, yes but like this guy says they change all the time, never in the favour of smaller clubs.When will the rule makers get together and set a wage cap for a whole squad of a club that all teams can afford to uphold it.Then any other extra money made is to be spent how the owners seem fit. Lets get back to playing the game and not the law courts.

@davidknight2104 2 ай бұрын

Nothing fair about FFP

@lilbaz8073 2 ай бұрын

It's psr not ffp.

@alexgoulding8459 2 ай бұрын

This 6 into 4 argument is nonsense. People forget Everton got 10 POINTS! And had to carry them for months. If we are saying Everton get more points deducted for misleading, where is the points for Chelsea? They have announced they had fraud that misled their reporting. But nothing

@flyoverfredusa 2 ай бұрын

so Forest get 2 points knocked off because they co-operated but they will now appeal and are thus not co-operating

@mrdan7740 2 ай бұрын

Co-operated with all the enquiries leading up to the charge. Unlike Everton who used delaying tactics to kick the can down the road. But once charged, you have a right to appeal. It’s nothing to do with co-operation at that point in the process.

@flyoverfredusa 2 ай бұрын

co-operated, pleaded guilty, got 2 points knocked off for it and then appeal. I don't blame Forest at all btw, the process is a shambles @@mrdan7740

@dylanparker130 2 ай бұрын

@@mrdan7740Everton were of the view that they had done nothing wrong. And arguably, at that point in time, they hadn't. But the PL updated their rules over last Summer. Post-Summer, Everton were obliged to plead guilty.

@lilbaz8073 2 ай бұрын

@@dylanparker130 did you watch the vid? Evertons own lawyers said they mislead the pl.

@dylanparker130 2 ай бұрын

@@lilbaz8073I did watch the video & yes Borson says that Everton's appeal barrister calls Everton's previous information "misleading". But that could mean any number of things. As a simple example, a policeman can burst through my front door & announce that I'm in the process of committing a crime. I say "nonsense!". He then observes that Parliament passed a law the previous week to criminalise the holding of a pencil. I am then obliged to retract my previous statement. I don't trust Borson & it has less to do with his reporting of Everton's case & more that he insists Everton & Forest both deserve what they get. He adds that he is certain that Chelsea are also guilty as sin. But when asked about his former employer, he claims every charge against City is a witch-hunt. I have read enough from other sources (such as Henry Winter, who is an Arsenal fan, not an Everton fan) to believe that Everton have been used as a guinea pig & that their case has been & continues to be mischaracterised by ppl like Borson.

@richardlawes2697 2 ай бұрын

Derby county got a 21 points deduction. Bet it was for less. FFP needs to show teeth. Or it's basically useless

@hansfyhrqvist7734 2 ай бұрын

Everything said it was still hugely unfair towards Everton that Nottingham Forest were deducted only 4 points as their case in principle was comparable to the one Everton had in the first place and for which they were ultimately deducted 6 points. Everton's final verdict should of course have been used as the precedent and benchmark for Forest's punishment. As it wasn't, there haven't been equal treatment between the two clubs and that is unjust. If Forest do make an appeal, that surely can't result in any point given back, because then the injustice would be even greater. And after this inconsistent and unbalanced Forest verdict, surely Everton must not get any points deducted at all, not even 1 point or 2 points, as the decision for their second charge. Anyway Everton have a strong case defending the second charge, with many mitigating facts (also cooperation now) and most of all the double jeopardy claim, as they have already been punished two thirds of the time period by that first sanction of 6 points. If Forest had got, as should have been, a 6 points penalty, then Everton would probably have accepted a 1-2 points sanction for their second charge. But after the Forest verdict, there must not be a single more point taken away from Everton. Otherwise we can conclude that the Premier League and its commissions are biased, even corrupt, and surely not fit for purpose.

@Bluem00n7 2 ай бұрын

😂😅😂😅😂😅

@Sutty0151 2 ай бұрын

@@Bluem00n7no fans city 😂😂😂😂😂

@Bluem00n7 2 ай бұрын

@@Sutty0151 enjoy relegation son

@Sutty0151 2 ай бұрын

@@Bluem00n7 ouch low blow son so much for blue vs red ay

@MelGilbert 2 ай бұрын

Just look at the smug expression on Borson's face. Isn't he just the most important guy you've ever met?

@SLM3573 2 ай бұрын

fans just really dont get it, Chelsea will have their day of reckoning in June unless they sell players for 100m of profit. They have amortised the transfers over very long contracts which is great if the player is a success but a millstone if they flop. City have dragged their feet with the best lawyers money can buy there is a date set now but dont expect them to be in league 2 next season. Everton have been mismanaged by an absent owner who banked on Oligarch money to fill the gap. Forrest signing 30 players was a joke even though when they came up they didnt have a squad but there was no need for that level of investment paying Lingard almost 300k a week to warm the bench is 15m down the drain and when you look at the breach that covers most of it, totally self inflicted and as Stefan said they were warned repeatedly but at that time no club had points penalty so Maronakis thought he would get away with 5m quid fine.

@markkerrigan5692 2 ай бұрын

Unfortunately the clubs knew they were breaching and it’s them that have to be accountable..don’t make it the fa’s problem.

@Matthew-bu7fg 2 ай бұрын

2:24 - it's sad that us having a charity as a shirt sponsor is being criticised. We have a gambling firm as a shirt sponsor this year. Yay. Well at least we're earning hard dough from it... Football's broken

@crazybluechicken 2 ай бұрын

Have you tried not paying for your shopping and telling the cashier that you should be let off because you gave the money that you would have spent to charity?

@kieranhardy581 2 ай бұрын

That club is a charity.

@Matthew-bu7fg 2 ай бұрын

nope because your mother does our shopping

@crazybluechicken 2 ай бұрын

@@Matthew-bu7fg I guess my point about giving to charity does not remove a person/company's responsiblities to maintain their financial situations really hurts your feelings and you had to resort to personal insults. Such a childish response. I hope you get help for your mental health.

@TezH1994 2 ай бұрын

Rules are rules Simple as

@stephendyer8646 2 ай бұрын

Four points is a result if Johnson had got injured he could not have been sold they took a gamble it paid off they stayed up because they kept Johnson and in all probability they will stay up this season as well, Everton are the same both need to except the punishment and thank their lucky stars Burnley Sheffield and Luton are so poor.

@kevinlemon6537 2 ай бұрын

Is there a more annoying and silly big ears than the nodding Jimmy White.

@shinnasaya 2 ай бұрын

Ahhh all bullshit, it's like grading disciplinary behavior by points, who knows another club who admitted wrong doings of PSR then end up getting 8 points deduction after an far less amount of loss....

@timmills8521 2 ай бұрын

Defending Chelsea a bit the issue is money spent, money recouped ie , if they get in x amount by June 30 there is no real issue .. City have 115 charges , they've been sponsored by a state with all sorts of strange payments and sponsorship deals.. can't really compare the two behaviors , i doubt City will get get punished now mind, they're the front of an insanely wealthy and corrupt oil Country with an expansionist plan and with deeper pockets than Uefa, there'll be sportscars, watches and holidays flying about.. tbf it's what Barcelona have done for decades

@setokaiba. 2 ай бұрын

Sack ffp off completely. How tf is it fair that Chelsea and City were able to make themselves super clubs, then the door slams shut and no one else can ever get that opportunity? Let's be real, the only chance you'll ever get at seeing your club become successful consistently is if you can at very least compete financially with the likes of the big 6. FFP is doing nothing but stop clubs that could potentially compete financially, like newcastle or villa from being able to bridge the gap. I see absolutely no need for ffp. Let owners and clubs spend to their means like the big 6 basically can anyway and like city have been doing since their takeover...

@jamieemmerson3734 2 ай бұрын

Quite simply, the rules are a joke. It’s in the name… profit and SUSTAINABILITY… so why do clubs who have the money, are not at risk, get punished for spending their own money yet clubs such as utd can spend spend spend even though their in hundreds of millions worth of debt….It’s ridiculous

@lilbaz8073 2 ай бұрын

They didn't have the money. It had to come from their owner. Which is not sustainable and certainly not making a profit.

@robertomartinez3195 2 ай бұрын

Our fan base has Stefan up crying of a night. You can tell

@phil291254 2 ай бұрын

Can’t wait to see what happens to Man City and Chelsea - mind you prob change rules for big six by then to quick slap and don’t do it again……

@diwa9751 2 ай бұрын

Jordan suppin his own wazz

@damianbentley730 2 ай бұрын

Work it out if man city would not have done what they done they could never compete and overtake the likes of united Chelsea (who done exactly the same) arsenal and Liverpool?? If your owner wants to spend his money and take the hit just let them at the end of the day this is the only business in the world when a kid from a council estate can earn enough money to change the life of his family for ten generations!!! Now listen is that the fundamental problem?? Because I think it is ??

@sadekrahman9598 2 ай бұрын

Do these rules apply to teams like Man City???

@CarlOrlando 2 ай бұрын

Everton appeal commission said teams are expected to cooperated therefore no points back. Forests say thanks for cooperating here’s 2 points back. Corrupt.

@evertonfc5380 2 ай бұрын

This Stefan just talks utter nonsense every time! Everton got 5, Forest got 6... What???? Interesting how he jumps through hoops to say why Forest had to do this and that due to promotion etc but there is never any allowance cut for exceptional circumstances that affected Everton - sanctions on our Russian backer which impacted sponsorship, losing a £40m+ player for free due to a moral decision relating to his court case and us building our new stadium. Jordans another one who loves to bang on about rules are rules, hammering Forest. Rules are rules which are rigged in favour of those at the top. Just like these new ones they will transition over to. All based on the already rich and powerful clubs staying that way with little help for the Burnley's and Bournemouths to ever close the gap.

@JamesKerwin 2 ай бұрын

What a scam. Basically, all promoted clubs are not allowed to compete with the clowns at the top now?! Well, at least it is inkeeping with life in the real world!

@THFCYidz82 2 ай бұрын

Break the rules pay the cost …. It’s really not rocket science

@ciaranwalshe_vocalist 2 ай бұрын

I’m sorry but for me they just need to take their medicine and move on. The idea that the deadlines should just be changed so they can earn more money is absolutely ludicrous. Very simple analogy. Self employed people put in a tax return every year. It’s extremely clear what the rules are. HMRC says filed and received, and payment made by 31st January 11:59 PM. So, if we miss that deadline, unless there’s substantial mitigation, for which there can be allowances, we would be punished. You are a business. Your account handling is your own responsibility. Forrest can’t just say ah well we wanted more money so we ignored the deadline. Fact is - regardless Of the need to spend as much as they did when they come up into the premier league, if they’d sold Johnson within the deadline, to one of the teams who had made an offer then they wouldn’t have breached. We need to be clear on rules and punishments for said rules. And allowances were made for the restrictive budget of the championship, and their cooperation, that has to be book closed. Appealing would be utterly pointless imo. It risks not knowing who was relegated on the final day of the season and for what. Just to kick the can down the road. Anyway, just my thoughts. I would like to think if even one of Man City’s charges is found guilty. Massive repercussions should follow. We will watch closely. Same with Chelsea too.

@keegan773 2 ай бұрын

What about 115 shitty.?

@sandhurstwolves3956 2 ай бұрын

Saints go with the rules and get relegated they are the true victims of this

@dylanparker130 2 ай бұрын

I like Southampton, it's a well-run club with nice fans. But they finished 12 points shy of safety. Even a full 10 point deduction for Everton last season wouldn't have kept you up. A 20 point deduction for both Forest and Everton would still have left you 18th.

@sandhurstwolves3956 2 ай бұрын

@dylanparker130 but everton cheated than requested the penalty for the next season but they end up the victims...work that one out . And it had nothing to do with the stadium before that old chestnut is brought up

@dylanparker130 2 ай бұрын

@@sandhurstwolves3956They've spent a fortune on the stadium, so it's difficult to believe that played no part. The PL has signed on every transfer Everton have made for the last 3 seasons. What's the point in giving the PL oversight if they reproach you for things they oversaw & approved?

@dylanparker130 2 ай бұрын

@@sandhurstwolves3956Even if you believe that, it still would have made no difference to Southampton's relegation. Fingers crossed, you can come straight back up.

@ellisjames8517 2 ай бұрын

Idiots for signing all them players should of done a Luton and signed players on frees and fight there way to safety

@sim0n17 2 ай бұрын

the rules are the rules - one set for the extremely wealthy clubs and another set for the rest,... same as it ever was...

@yarp123123123123123 2 ай бұрын

simon really cut through the nonsense here.

@Sutty0151 2 ай бұрын

Funny how this stefen fella doesn’t even mention the sporting advantage forest had after June 30th by continuing to play Johnson in matches he couldn’t stop mentioning efcs one even tho it was harder to prove haha financial expert lol more like a blert

@user-cs1dt2xw4c 2 ай бұрын

Forest bought many players, Everton built a new stadium.

@lilbaz8073 2 ай бұрын

Stadium had nothing to do with it. They litterally say so in the report.

@user-cs1dt2xw4c 2 ай бұрын

@@lilbaz8073 so what does sustainability mean , I suggest you look it up , that was part of the points decision, ffp and sustainability, we went over 19.5 mil on players, in 2020/21, since then we had the second lowest spend on players.

@PaulWilson-kx6om 2 ай бұрын

EVERTON DID NOT HAVE A SPORTING ADVANTAGE!

@lilbaz8073 2 ай бұрын

Yes they did. Read the actual report not social media. It said they didn't purposefully set out to get one, but they did.

@agentancelotti2985 2 ай бұрын

You can’t tell some people

@sandhurstwolves3956 2 ай бұрын

This is an urban myth

@user-cs1dt2xw4c 2 ай бұрын

Where is s the sporting advantage for building a new stadium. 2nd lowest spend on players in the last three years. @@agentancelotti2985

@Sutty0151 2 ай бұрын

@@lilbaz8073if the report couldn’t say how then we didn’t,let’s say we did explain how ? and don’t say by staying up last season efc already laughed at the pl over that bs,I can explain forests advantage straight away they played Johnson in 3 matches after June 30 which was the psr cut off period he affected results win lose or draw by simply playing for them