SIMON vs ANDROS! 🐍 Simon Jordan and Andros Townsend CLASH over calling Marco Silva a SNAKE!

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Simon Jordan and Andros Townsend CLASH over calling Marco Silva a SNAKE!
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@adoptedben 2 жыл бұрын

Why should managers have any loyalty, clubs rarely do if results go bad!

@leonhughes9014 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah cos results go bad.. what don't you get....

@selhurt 2 жыл бұрын

There is no loyalty in football from owners, managers or players. Everyone is out for themselves so can’t blame anyone looking out for the own interests

@gororo14 2 жыл бұрын

Arsenal are loyal to Arteta

@oceanmike8516 Жыл бұрын

Unless you’re Matt le Tissier or Leighton Baines

@Anonymous66623 6 ай бұрын

@@oceanmike8516or Francesco Totti

@Alex-bm1pl 2 жыл бұрын

‘Its not as simple as that’ the international statement of being bamboozled by someone else’s argument

@senzokai3156 2 жыл бұрын

Actually, it's the opposite of being sanctimonious, or childlike. Then again, you didn't pay attention to him when he did explain his point because Andros had no other point to make other than the same old stance and Everton's sanction is public news.

@CainStobartLegoFan 2 жыл бұрын

In all fairness how can you not want to leave for the Everton job. When ur at Watford and Everton come calling with loads of transfer money and a big project you will obviously want to go.

@Chris1878e 2 жыл бұрын

The same as what ancelotti just did

@jeanjacqueslundi3502 2 жыл бұрын

Its not just because of that. Aamaher dreams of managing the big clubs. Tahts the goal as much as it is a players desire to play for Utd etc. Everton was his gateway for that in potential. Or at very least a bigger club than his last.

@2xAcTiOnXJaCkS0nx 2 жыл бұрын

Leaving for the everton job was never called unfair sir...you might have missed the point entirely or simply misunderstood it the first time...try watching it again

@BridgeStamford 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah that’s not the point. Should have you and andros on the radio 😆

@matth6349 2 жыл бұрын

It makes me laugh that people call Everton a big club… when did they last win something

@rc9719 2 жыл бұрын

Andros is right theres no loyalty and it is what it is ...

@pablodavies414 2 жыл бұрын

Just like when he left Newcastle little baldy

@pablodavies414 2 жыл бұрын

@Johnson James amen brother

@senzokai3156 2 жыл бұрын

That's not what the sanction says, buddy.

@mansnotbot4160 2 жыл бұрын

Simon's wrong about other industries. I've worked for countless multinational corporations where executives got sacked in all but name, and picked up huge bonuses before they exited the door. Football is reflective of many industries.

@TheWallethead 2 жыл бұрын

Simon won’t let anyone else get two words in because he knows he’s on the wrong side of the argument.

@TagoMago2010 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheWallethead couldn’t agree more. He’s a fool that hides behind sophisticated language and interrupting people he doesn’t agree with.

@senzokai3156 2 жыл бұрын

Simon's sentiment comes from the broader aspect of football contracts being set in stone where you get paid, aka compensated regardless of how you perform.

@markmiller9447 2 жыл бұрын

Townsend's point is spot on, it works both ways.

@hellalive8973 2 жыл бұрын

No Andros and apparently you are missing the point. If a club signs a manager to perform a task and they are not performing that task they get sacked and their contract is paid up. Simons point is that Watford took a chance on Silva who then ditched them at the first opportunity. If someone takes a chance on you you owe them the respect to at the very least to act professionally. If he was sacked without his contract being paid up then Andros would have a point, they did and he doesn’t.

@truefriendskissonthelips6602 2 жыл бұрын

what Simon is saying is its a lose lose for owners, they dont want to sack managers they only do it when the club have underperformed and on top of that they have to pay for the privilege of failing to meet targets. The manager signs a contact with the club with the full intention of meeting those targets set by the board.

@randomgayguyman 2 жыл бұрын

@@hellalive8973 where is all this assumotion of love and loyalty in football coming from??? Football is a business now at the end of the day. Just as the owners and chairman are only interested in results, the players and managers have every right to look out for themselves.

@hellalive8973 2 жыл бұрын

@@randomgayguyman it’s not about love and loyalty, no one mentioned either of those. It’s about professionalism which is what I said. Prior to being offered the Watford job he’d guided Hull City to relegation, I’m not saying it was all his fault but Watford took a chance on him non the less. When someone takes a chance on you you owe them professionalism in return at the very least.

@randomgayguyman 2 жыл бұрын

@@hellalive8973 are you deaf? Simon literally used the word loyal/disloyal multiple times. Clean out your ears

@nickg2117 2 жыл бұрын

As a Watford fan I feel I can comment on this. Marco Silva downed tools as soon as we told him he wasn’t allowed to talk to Everton! Simple as that. He also got in the ear of players like Doucoure & Richarlison (both ended up at Everton) who’s performances both dipped off around Xmas time. Silva was sacked, from memory, around middle of January where the performances for 8-10 weeks were horrific under him where he was clearly sulking because he couldn’t get his own way. He engineered his departure ultimately because the club had no choice but to sack him as we dropped from 4th place down to 15th (something like that) in the space of 2-3 months.

@MrMooemoney 2 жыл бұрын

Didn't Southampton sack Nigel Adkins for poch 🤔wasn't he loyal?

@olanrichards5468 2 жыл бұрын

He was crazy

@bernardfox9078 2 жыл бұрын

I think Andros had him on logic there and Jordan knew it ! Still he keeps arguing. Stubborn guy. He should just have said yes I forgot to consider Everton paying compensation. But no. He carries on...

@randomgayguyman 2 жыл бұрын

Issue is Andros can't speak well so these lot just assume Simon is right because he is used to talking in this way

@TheWallethead 2 жыл бұрын

@@randomgayguyman he’s not as eloquent but he still made his argument and won the debate

@stannats2637 2 жыл бұрын

Correct

@leonhughes9014 2 жыл бұрын

wrong .... andros is wrong ... Everton were forced to pay compensation.. not sure what you are andros can't get ...

@senzokai3156 2 жыл бұрын

You really don't understand basic logical causality, let alone the economics of such decisions if you say that Andros won the argument. Simon is wrong to expect loyalty because everyone is out for himself in this world but if you think any club benefits from hiring a manager, recruiting players he wants, firing him for not giving a damn and then letting him come back and take his players with him, then you're a simpleton. Everton only paid because they got sanctioned. That's a legislative compulsion forcing them to do it, which means everyone recognises the damage caused here.

@wowthatsbs 2 жыл бұрын

Andros Townsend is arguing for the sake of arguing, he has no real substantive argument

@jtefc 2 жыл бұрын

Moronic isn’t he

@Edge81 2 жыл бұрын

Nope ..his substantive point is that clubs have no loyalty so why should managers.

@MrMoneyLong 2 жыл бұрын

@@Edge81 spot on.

@MrMoneyLong 2 жыл бұрын

Simon articulately talks rubbish.

@maa2252 2 жыл бұрын

@@Edge81 lol dont waste your time, it's too difficult for him/her to understand Townsend's point.

@gleneastick1468 2 жыл бұрын

3 weeks later Townsend signs for Everton

@georgeburrow7342 2 жыл бұрын

Townsend has the debating skills of a tranquilized mattress

@mansnotbot4160 2 жыл бұрын

Jordon is skilled at sophistry. Doesn't mean he's right.

@bjornlang9480 2 жыл бұрын

@@mansnotbot4160 And he's not right.

@mansnotbot4160 2 жыл бұрын

@@bjornlang9480 Indeed.

@Edge81 2 жыл бұрын

Andros won that debate

@user.--. 2 жыл бұрын

@@Edge81 No he didn't 🤣

@lourencooliva7429 2 жыл бұрын

To be true, Marco Silva here in Sporting CP was a quite divise figure, to say the least.

@robertbrown8362 2 жыл бұрын

Andros is too immature to be on Talk Radio

@emersonsimmo90 2 жыл бұрын

Haha what are you talking about, I think Townsend been great, he’s not even 30 and got a sensible head on him and talks well, and yeah about maturity have you seen Goldstein and cundy they are immature and brilliant

@truetothegame2928 2 жыл бұрын

Simon talks absolute shite ! wonder why he failed as a chairman,,, doesnt understand the game; the culture or the nuances

@Edge81 2 жыл бұрын

You mean he should allow Simon to get away with his one sided argument..😂😂😂😂

@user.--. 2 жыл бұрын

@@Edge81 No, but talking over someone doesn't prove his point either 🤣

@robbied4140 Жыл бұрын

Why because he’s blunt and gets straight to the point? Andros clearly won this debate.

@gudbeatzent4665 2 жыл бұрын

Integrity in football ? Simon please stop it now 😂😂😂

@Smith89123 Жыл бұрын

You can always tell when Simon is been matched in a debate. Like recently when Hearn wiped the floor with him, he gets nasty.

@haiderali-mk2nd 2 жыл бұрын

Not many people get the better of Simon but Andros served him up on a platter here. Jordan kept dancing around Andros' question about whether Everton paid compensation to Watford and whether Simom sacked managers previously. All Jordan could do was resort to adhominems about Andros living in a player's dream world.

@Rehlotse 2 жыл бұрын

This was a decent argument from both sides...

@ryanohare826 2 жыл бұрын

I hope this is sarcasm 🤣

@senzokai3156 2 жыл бұрын

Only if you don't understand economics.

@NiqueSir 2 жыл бұрын

Fair play to andros, holds his own, and even Gets Simon a lil Flustered, much better than Trevor sinclair waffling and stuttering.

@aidan3277 2 жыл бұрын

He was bang on here tbf

@leonhughes9014 2 жыл бұрын

but he's wrong

@senzokai3156 2 жыл бұрын

@@aidan3277 He had nothing to back his points. Reiterating what you say repeatedly doesn't win an argument. We're in a business and there are implications to actions between managers and clubs when the former is an 'employee' of the latter. Notice how Townsend, got quiet when Simon said no other field rewards compensation regardless of achievement, let alone for compensation?

@mrm5183 2 жыл бұрын

Simon “they were sanctioned by the Premier League” Jordan

@dumisanicakwebe1560 2 жыл бұрын

Managers get sacked at Watford for losing a few games

@rickyspanish1033 2 жыл бұрын

Start of next season can't get here soon enough so Townsend can get back to palace. Holy crap the guy is thick.

@colinhughes916 2 жыл бұрын

Totally Agree bro 💯

@andypandy4607 2 жыл бұрын

He just laughed every second because he didn’t have a clue

@l.f.9981 2 жыл бұрын

Think he knows a bit more about football than you keyboard gangster's

@dafyddroberts2430 2 жыл бұрын

Well he won’t be at Palace 😂

@jezcorrigan651 2 жыл бұрын

Adding “puggled” to the vocab

@ianaspinall7948 2 жыл бұрын

Andros is smart enough to see right through this bluffer

@dipteshpawa6549 2 жыл бұрын

Townsend isn’t wrong when he says that managers in the premier league, at least, get sacked when the team loses more than it wins which happened in the last season at West Brom, Chelsea and Tottenham. An exception to that list was Sheffield where Chris was backed by his owner despite the struggles. From Simon’s perspective it’s a nightmare to sack because he needs to get new recruitments immediately but that’s a risk most club owners take in returns for the money they receive for staying in the premier league.

@scottc9100 2 жыл бұрын

He’s saying a manager should be loyal to a club but slams Derby showing loyalty to Rooney.

@taherajenz 2 жыл бұрын

Simon got triggered so instead of answering acknowledging the point Andros was trying to make his face started to turn pink and he started to talk all posh using weird words, Andros did well.

@Chris_Andre_Boxing 2 жыл бұрын

Simon is suggesting there is a set definition for success and failure, but many coaches get sacked unreservedly in the eyes of many. So there is job insecurity there and a lack of loyalty. Take Emery as an example. In his first season Arsenal appeared to be building a really good outfit and were unlucky not to make the UCL by 1 point, after suspensions & injuries in the run in. The following season didn't start well & a clique of players turned against him. Did the board back him? No, they sacked him. Those players continued to do the same things under Arteta and eventually they were sold. Meanwhile, Arteta's Arsenal have regressed & they were beaten by Emery in the final of the UEL (irony). So, when it became clear that many of the players had turned on Emery &he knew the board wouldn't back him, and another club came in for him; would it have made him a snake to leave, or just prudent?

@darren6076 2 жыл бұрын

I love how Simon thinks he’s always right about running a football club 🤦‍♂️ when he broke his boyhood club and left with nothing and now has to work as a pundit to afford to dye his hair but yet he knows everything?

@Sean-gi5vs 2 жыл бұрын

What do you know about running a football club, Darren?

@willardmatsaudza3101 2 жыл бұрын

@@Sean-gi5vs why are you deflecting

@Sean-gi5vs 2 жыл бұрын

@@willardmatsaudza3101 because I'm going to go with the assumption that no-one in this comment section has ever made 70+ million quid, and has ever bought a football club in one of the top tiers of English football and owned it for 10 years. Simon Jordan doesn't know everything, but I sure would rather listen to his opinion rather than people who haven't been anywhere near as successful as him and probably never will be.

@leonhughes9014 2 жыл бұрын

@@Sean-gi5vs Darren is a silly boy..... Simon is a multi millionaire still... Darren lives in his mums house.. Darren is 35 and single

@iainnicholls8537 2 жыл бұрын

Hes a legend best thing on the radio tell it like it is

@ackermanclan1613 2 жыл бұрын

It feels like Townsend is arguing for the sake of arguing here. Or at the very least, arguing in bad faith. What childish nonsense is he spewing. I dont think Silva's history should follow him around at all time but Simon's point is just as valid about honoring a contract and not being a sneaky rat

@dipteshpawa6549 2 жыл бұрын

I don’t know what kind of treatment would Rafa get from Everton fans when the league starts because what they don’t understand that foreign managers, maybe even domestic, cannot hold onto loyalty as the fans do because they are in a business of finding new jobs when the old ones don’t work out. It’s a difficult world for them too when they are out of work and more often than not managers, just as most players, respect the club they played for when they have to put a team against them.

@Marcelg13 2 жыл бұрын

yep Townsend lives in cuckooland

@jamieasintoye4322 2 жыл бұрын

Rubbish, managers get sacked everyday and bang its over.

@abhogal11 2 жыл бұрын

Utter rubbish!

@marlok4444 2 жыл бұрын

How did he not honor his contract?

@princeofpreston7318 2 жыл бұрын

Simon schools him here. Andros too thick for this show

@jamespalmer980 2 жыл бұрын

Name one footballer that isn’t, it’s mandatory.

@dirtygunslinger9835 2 жыл бұрын

@@jamespalmer980 bukayo saka. straight A student.

@ashwilliams4959 2 жыл бұрын

Depends what side you look at simons always on the side of business

@jamespalmer980 2 жыл бұрын

The fact that you can name 1 sort of proves my point. We all know footballers are generally low IQ.

@jamespalmer980 2 жыл бұрын

What and you think players and managers aren’t? 😂

@86jeba 2 жыл бұрын

Good points raised again from Simon Jordan, he knows his stuff!

@bluenose7984 2 жыл бұрын

He knows his stuff so well, he bankrupted crystal palace!

@greatestanalyser2354 2 жыл бұрын

Blue Nose 😂

@86jeba 2 жыл бұрын

@@bluenose7984 a good day in my book

@ashwilliams4959 2 жыл бұрын

He backs up business but is clueless about the sport

@nathanroberts6356 2 жыл бұрын

He's on the money with Steve Bruce

@really8930 2 жыл бұрын

Andros held up his end well. Good counter point to the owner’s perspective that Simon Jordan always peddles.

@dan.3500 2 жыл бұрын

Simon is the fucking man. Love him

@Edge81 2 жыл бұрын

Not on this point

@judasvino 2 жыл бұрын

Simon seems really hypocritical here saying managers have no loyalty but when a good manager becomes available, what do owners do?

@jtefc 2 жыл бұрын

That only happens when the manager currently in the job isn’t doing what’s expected

@kamalabdullah5420 2 жыл бұрын

@@jtefc I'm not sure who you are but perhaps you should let a professional pundit like @judasvino give the comments that actually makes sense

@DeepakSingh-qc6zm 2 жыл бұрын

Omg, is this the real Judasvino? World best pundit! I'm a big fan, please write to me. I would love to meet up and discuss all things football! In fact, we got a TV show coming up, would love to have you in as a guest host.

@Luigi9919 2 жыл бұрын

Damn judasvino actually dropped a comment. How r u bro, been a fan of ur punditry since I was a kid man. Keep up the good work

@cocodonkey 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan starts with the personal stuff when he's losing an argument. His opinion should only be taken if he's asked what's it like to be a failed owner? - using his logic. Well done Andros for making him squirm

@stellacarson2130 2 жыл бұрын

What he said " it's not as sole as that Andros". What he meant " good point, I can't really argue against that". Well done Andros. He had to resort to patronising you as what he was saying was rubbish.

@gspvideo5543 2 жыл бұрын

Andros is just being argumentative for no reason, not good radio. Simon is correct, it's the way and timing Silva did that to Watford.

@AM.10 2 жыл бұрын

Simon Jordan is good at waffling , if you talk fast alot of people will buy what you selling lol

@eXpressYourselfClips 2 жыл бұрын

Well said. Throw a few big words in touch the frame of your glasses and people will believe anything.

@b.a3595 2 жыл бұрын

I know just read the comments 🤦‍♂️

@princeofpreston7318 2 жыл бұрын

I think he’s just slightly too intelligent for the others on this show, I reckon he talks quick cos people interrupt with dumb comments before he can even finish his point

@joebloggs6922 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like Ben Shapiro in a nutshell

@derickadjei4036 2 жыл бұрын

Simon is echoing himself, no loyalties anymore man, is totally business

@leemorralley7172 2 жыл бұрын

Loyalty in football and honoring contracts 🤣🤣🤣

@cfcmoi11 2 жыл бұрын

Feel good to listen to Simon

@jamiegreymusic 2 жыл бұрын

Too many peoples comments in here are simply impressed with Simon’s vocabulary and speed of thought on this one. Andros made perfectly valid points also and it’s refreshing to have a current player on the show.

@bjornlang9480 2 жыл бұрын

Somebody gets it. Townsend is right here. Everyone in football looks out for their own interests.

@AssociationGamers 2 жыл бұрын

Townsend is right and Simon is completely blinded by his own point of view 🤦‍♂️

@WatchMagicHappen 2 жыл бұрын

Andros put his own questions back to him. Football ownership and management is all about power. If you're the one who has it. There is very little loyalty. Usually from the businessmen. The club. Sack sack sack. Hire hire hire. How many owners get rid of managers who then go on to manage well at a same level club?

@taulantrexhepi2794 2 жыл бұрын

When i saw the 🐍 i assumed it was about simon jordan... guy talks like his opinions are facts... owned by andros there

@gregabsalom8605 2 жыл бұрын

Tbf to Jordan at palace there wasn’t a single manager he fired where I thought that with another month or two they would have turned it around. If anything sometimes he was guilty of giving them too long in the job. He always backed them in the transfer market and if anything gave them a bit too much leeway in transfer markets etc. He’s spot on about Silva.

@jamesjarrett52 2 жыл бұрын

So, Watford would have sacked him at the drop of a hat. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

@AliFrostinho 2 жыл бұрын

I don't see how people think Townsend is wrong. Football is like every industry, you don't perform, you get sacked; you do well, you could go somewhere better. Some places value loyalty, others don't.

@dylanparker130 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan was 100% right on this. I get what Townsend is saying about the fickleness of some owners but Silva effectively forced the club to let him leave. It was almost an employee-driven case of constructive dismissal. It's what Real Madrid used to get their transfer targets to do.

@MyAlan999 2 жыл бұрын

Andros is more annoying than Jim and that takes some doing !!!

@YRCHDVideos 2 жыл бұрын

Simon is right here…

@truebluetrev 2 жыл бұрын

No he isn't

@stuartfaulkner 2 жыл бұрын

Its very clear to see why pocettino kicked Townshend backside out of the door at spurs. Loves the sound of his own voice and doesn't listen

@maxkirwin1474 2 жыл бұрын

Simon Jordan is so patronising here, can't debate at all. Andros is pretty level headed here.

@danieltongue5022 2 жыл бұрын

For context: Simon Jordan (SJ) is my favourite radio presenter/commentator across all stations…… though out of the hundreds of discussions I’ve listened to, I believe Andros Townsend (AT) is his strongest foil. It’s the only time I can remember when SJ gets so animated to make a point, dogmatically repeats himself (opposed to rewording his argument) and lacks a concise killer blow to AT’s observation ). I would love to hear them debate in the Commons!

@benmarcus587 2 жыл бұрын

God Andros Townsend is actually being really thick here.

@officefruit8739 2 жыл бұрын

I will send

@Edge81 2 жыл бұрын

I think you need help if you do not get his point.

@michaelh7533 2 жыл бұрын

Player or manager it’s a career you want to make the choice that best suits the career your in just like any job

@Nassirtheory 2 жыл бұрын

Andros is right owners show no loyalty too

@joshuaeden5881 2 жыл бұрын

Does anyone know if they were sanctioned?

@arturzathas499 Жыл бұрын

loyalty from the club to the manager is no more a factor if you fail. loyalty is seen how much the manager is backed with signing and backroom staff. and when a manager, as pointed out, just gets up and leaves after you have the whole team and parts of the club in his image, that my friend is low.

@tobiaswoods4880 2 жыл бұрын

I did the same move on FM 😂😂😂😂😂

@sheikhummarbah5959 2 жыл бұрын

Love the show from Sierra Leone 🇸🇱🇸🇱🇸🇱🇸🇱

@Edge81 2 жыл бұрын

Andros is schooling Simon and he does not like it at all.

@andydavies27 2 жыл бұрын

Andros clearly had someone else do his contracts for him, because he hasn't got a clue how these things work. Football is the ONLY industry where if you are doing terrible at your job and get sacked, you still get the whole of your contract paid.

@AM.10 2 жыл бұрын

Everton paid Watford , so Andres point standards

@chibuzoanyanwu1924 2 жыл бұрын

Because they were sanctioned to pay if not he would have skidaddled out of Watford

@AM.10 2 жыл бұрын

@@chibuzoanyanwu1924 they paid then ? Lol

@andydavies27 2 жыл бұрын

@@AM.10 only because they were forced to, normally he would have been free to go to Everton after being sacked (after getting a pay off) and Everton wouldn’t have had to pay anything but because they were the main reason he gave up at Watford the PL treated like a buyout of a contract

@Efcdan1878 2 жыл бұрын

Nonsense this from Jordan , Watford started well but they had 2 good players and Fans had got carried away and thought Watford were going to get Europe and when they started losing they sacked him , we did not under any circumstances get Sanctioned we paid it on a without prejudice basis to settle it amicably , we hired him 6 months after he was sacked

@nickg2117 2 жыл бұрын

You hired him 6 months after as he was on 'gardening leave' whilst the compensation was being sorted out. You were sanctioned, if compensation wasn't paid as per the arbitration, Everton would've had a sanction, be that a transfer ban or a points deduction.

@alexdonohoe5292 2 жыл бұрын

Theres no such thing as loyalty in football. A club would buy and sell a manager in an instant? Why can't players and managers have that same instinct of self preserverance. Hypocritical

@AvishG891 2 жыл бұрын

I know why Townsend favours Silva ... If I remember correctly ...he was thrown out of spurs for his bad behaviour......apparently Silva becomes his brother as both had been thrown out of bad behaviour.... Bdway listening to Townsend is horrible experience...will never be good pandit

@johnsee8778 2 жыл бұрын

The idea of ‘loyalty’ these days, is irrelevant regardless of manager or player. Loyalty is exclusive to the fans and no one else. Players, managers, owners etc love to paint themselves with the gloss of loyalty, but for them, it’s a business, a career, an opportunity, and that’s all. We, the fans are the only reliable, loyal and steadfast element in the whole setup and we need to remember that, whoever we support.

@danieltongue5022 2 жыл бұрын

Upon relistening to the clip, SJ is absolutely right in his assertion that loyalty is fundamentally based upon payment (from club to manager) and even when a manager is sacked, the loyalty remains (contractual agreement is honoured). Loyalty (or belief) can also be measured by the sums (from the club) involved in player recruitment…. However, despite his basic formulation of the facts and lacking the same intellectual integrity under scrutiny, I’m incredibly impressed by the persuasive powers of AT.

@johnmcleman3865 2 жыл бұрын

Andros is spot on there and because Simon knew it, he avoided the point. Worse than a politician!!

@rowanwhittingham689 2 жыл бұрын

Townsend’s pov makes sense now he’s signed for Everton haha

@zanirebrahim4629 2 жыл бұрын

there is very little loyalty in the game. and where we do see it, it's not absolute and a rarity. Imagine you book a cab to the airport to go on holiday (a definite rarity these days), done all shopping and made all the arrangements. Halfway, the cabbie pulls over and gives you back £20 (half the fare) and says "you'll have to get another cab, I've got a better offer!" Definite snake!

@niallhaldane4243 2 жыл бұрын

Simon also has to look at Watfords history with managers that same season they sacked managers

@mrhussain9008 2 жыл бұрын

It's hard to win a debate against Simon because he knows what the other person is going to say, he never really says why he's right, he convinces the audience that what the other person is saying is bullshit.

@matty2076 2 жыл бұрын

the point simon is making is that watford we’re not going to receive any compensation, then the prem stepped in and sanctioned everton, resulting in watford receiving compensation.

@forsuper6836 2 жыл бұрын

Andros with no insight, just looking to rile Simon

@rc9719 2 жыл бұрын

how , his points make sense tbf

@kevinkilbane2007 2 жыл бұрын

What are you on about? Andros made a decent point that owners don't always have loyalty towards managers. Loads of examples. New examples will happen in oct/Nov time, when some clubs have a poor run of results. Happens every season.

@englishjona6458 2 жыл бұрын

Lol yea forgot about that, you brought steve Bruce to manage our club 🤷🏽‍♂️😂

@ivorthomas468 2 жыл бұрын

They both have good points they have to agree to disagree. Football is about at least staying in the division you are in for some clubs it is winning the league or promotion and advancing. All obviously based on results. The nature of the environment makes managers and owners make these moves either leaving or getting sacked etc, etc. It’s ruthless.

@jack7195 2 жыл бұрын

Just because nobody has any loyalty in football, doesn't make it right. Andros is completely missing the point here.

@DxSkyline 2 жыл бұрын

Simon truly is a hypocrit, condems Silva for the Watford/Everton issue but Steve Bruce did it not only to him but to Sheffield weds when Newcastle can stupidly knocking and says Bruce is a honest person!

@michaelwards7974 Жыл бұрын

I think the argument is silly. Everybody wants to win, so sacking a manager is a sign off this. Nobody's out for themselves cause they can't.

@sauravthegreatestpot 2 жыл бұрын

Of course in this case the illegal approach from Everton and the subsequent loss of form Watford suffered makes Silva disingenuous so I get what Simon's saying there. However, Simon's larger point about manager's "honoring" their contract is bullshit. When you give someone an opportunity you're doing it because it suits you as well(not just them) and just because you're also paying them for it you aren't entitled to their services for life - it's not bonded labor. If it's ok for a club to treat a manager like a commodity and say sacking them isn't unfair because they're paying up the rest of the manager's contract, why should the manager not have the same attitude when switching clubs mid-contract?

@zanirebrahim4629 2 жыл бұрын

Good point Srini

@Efcdan1878 2 жыл бұрын

Except they didn't make an illegal approach , we asked to be speak to him they said no and hired Sam Allardyce for 6 months and hired a former Watford manager who was sacked for not maintaining European form with a average Watford side

@ingekjetilbratset2770 2 жыл бұрын

The best point of the whole debate. Well done.

@jimtheburrito4080 2 жыл бұрын

If Andres could debate then he should win that argument all day but he can’t so he didn’t If you do a good job and you want to better yourself you should be able to imo

@nadeemamode 2 жыл бұрын

Loyalty is nice, but commitment is better. Even if there's no reciprocity in loyalty; you can still move on to your next project knowing you gave your all. Rafa and Vieira will win over players, their employers and eventually the fans via their commitment.

@voltspark3456 2 жыл бұрын

Its boss to here a proper chairmans opinion on things instead of a player or fans opinion, sometime or should i say all the time simon gives another logical view and its from experience rather than watching

@professorb3843 2 жыл бұрын

Look who is talking... how many trophies did Towsand had in his lazy career now he is talking about managers and trying to be an expert in football

@wadewilson7657 2 жыл бұрын

simon jordan "it doesnt suit anybody to sack a manager" i strongly disagree, it suits owners trying to deflect heat off themselves and give the illusion of change. This is just one example of where it suits someone...there are more.

@freddieb5946 2 жыл бұрын

Townsend is a decent player but he is pretty delusional on this.

@samnorton4706 2 жыл бұрын

Andros doesn't understand simon at all, Simon is saying that Watford gave a relegated manager a chance to stay up and back him, results were good and then Everton came in. Rather than continue working and then leaving in a proper manner, he downed tools and aild the club down the river so they sacked him. I dont blame Silva for leaving but you can clearly see he couldn't care less about a club that gave him the chance to be considered for the Everton job ?

@kaushalyadav8605 2 жыл бұрын

Nobody takes Simon head on like Townsend ...and he calls him out on his bullshit everytime ... What a hero 👏

@kaushalyadav8605 2 жыл бұрын

@Brendan Walters ...Maybe...but why did it hurt you so much ?? 😂.. let me guess ..you are a fan of people taking fast without making sense ?? And being shamelessly hypocritical on top of that ??? like Simon “I was an owner too” jordan

@timknott5856 2 жыл бұрын

Very entertaining but unfortunately a discussion that went of on too many tangents where no actual resolve came of it … Simon was clearly talking about the issues of management and managers playing games… Townsend was talking about loyalty in football…. The point Simon Jordan is making was regarding a manager who literally left at the sniff of a decent opportunity before the ink was dry in the contract. Whereby in this case we had a manager in Silva who was approached by Everton and wanted to take it right away … when he wasn’t given such he basically down tools deliberately to get the sack and got paid out his contract for doing so… Andros just started to generalise and go on about the lack of loyalty from owners of all clubs and how they sack managers after a few bad results… which again is utter nonsense… Managers usually get sacked around October / November time or at the end of the season. Just to point out those managers that do get sacked during October / November are done so based on the performance of the previous season where they can see no progress or improvement following a transfer window and preseason… It’s very rare you see a manager get sacked where you feel it was undeserving…

@Collier990RHCP 2 жыл бұрын

Townsend trying to compete. Bless

@1990shahid 2 жыл бұрын

Townsend won this little battle

@Collier990RHCP 2 жыл бұрын

@@1990shahid In his own head

@johnos2765 2 жыл бұрын

@@1990shahid He won nothing there 😂

@andytoon11 2 жыл бұрын

@@1990shahid no he really didn't

@vinnievegas3765 2 жыл бұрын

Simon Jordan - 🐐

@Alex-vq6bd 2 жыл бұрын

ABSOLUTE BUGGERATION

@allanjohn-lewis4425 2 жыл бұрын

Andros adds nothing to the show, Simon is on point as normal but Andros offers nothing, last week he said that if City sign Kane & Grelish the rest of us should give up !!! No wonder Poch slung him out of Spurs.. he offers nothing.

@78bcat 2 жыл бұрын

It's odd how football so often wants to kill freedom. If you get a job selling cars or managing a dealership and a better job comes open, people are free to chase opportunity, happiness....if a dealership that sells Nissan decides it wants to sell Jaguar/Land Rover instead, they are free to do it. Simon thinks he can fire a manager because he pays, but a manager walks out and doesn't take the money, which is just the flipside of his justification coin, makes him a snake...that's madness. He's allowed to fire a manager that doesn't get results but a manger can't quit an owner that doesn't get results...it's madness...

@showtime207 2 жыл бұрын

Townsend is coming across thick as mince here. Normally spot on too

@stevewelsh8560 2 жыл бұрын

Marco Silva should have compensated the club for the job he was paid to do, he is a disgrace and one of the reasons why this game is on a downward spiral, money rules most of the time, players are not worth anywhere close to what they get paid.