Etr 1000 has been projected by Bombardier. Ansaldo Ferroviaria just built it in its factory. But, since Ansaldo had huge financial troubles, the factory has been sold to Hitachi and now it's working great. Etr 500 has been manufactured by the consortium TREVI, (Ansaldo, Breda, Fiat Ferroviaria, ABB Tecnomasio, Firema Trasporti). Etr 500 is also a 33 year old train. Ansaldo was very different at that time. Not to mention in the 30s when they projected and built the etr 200 (one of the fastest and most modern train on earth at that time), or in the 50s with Settebello and Arlecchino trainsets.

@@fecciargento5102 Oh yes, ETR 200 was way ahead of the time: it already had bogies between the cars and its design still makes it one of the sexiest looking trains of all times. I hope any of them is preserved. Stiil remember the times when they were in regular service as "treni rapidi" which I couldn't afford at the time.

No, Freciarossa is 60% Ansaldo Breda and 40 Bombardier. V250 has many problems indeed, but the low price tag always comes with a price.

@@radopetrov4727 Frecciarossa 1000 is Zefiro 300 project. You can find a variation of this train in China (Zefiro 380) with wide carbody. Mitrac engines, Flexx Speed bodies, carbody and open tube architecture are from Bombardier. So what do you mean when you say that it is 60% from Ansaldo?

It's almost as if trains for the domestic market are designed with a higher standard of quality.

they totally refurbished those trains.

Nothing. Because this trains lost the license for running on the tracks. They Tried to fix it in the Nederlands but the trains were too bad to fix. The trains were send back to italy and they hoped to get back as much money as possible. Now there are very old and slower trains running on the high speed line for since the fyra stopped. They also have many problems but at least they dont fall apart on their own.

NS has bought new Alstom Corradia Stream (Intercity Nieuwe Generatie) trains which will run the former Fyra route. They only run 200 km/h compared to the 250 km/h Fyra, but hopefully they will actually be reliable.

@@OntarioTrafficMan It's really unfortunate since the HSL allows for trains to run at 300km/h nearly all the way Schiphol - Antwerp. The Thalys (with a 300km/h top speed) saves about 35 minutes compared to the current IC Direct (top speed 160km/h) on most scheduled departures. If all the trains had a higher top speed that would probably allow for better scheduling and even faster services, especially for Amsterdam-Rotterdam.

@@stocks_9750 no the replacement trains are slower.

@@stocks_9750 Dude, the ETR700 is shit.

It never was crappy, just not a high speed train. It never was intended to be, so it was forced to be something it was not due to the Dutch being ultra cheap and not listening to people telling them to go with tried and true designs. Like Siemens designs or Alstom. Heck you don't even need a ICE clone, even their non highspeed designs can reach 200+ km/h, more than plenty of what was needed for this line. But the Dutch wanted a High speed line, for pennies on the dollar. Rather than a normal train that goes 200km/h for the same price or a high speed one for more.

Quel treno non fa schifo

A bit like the whole dutch train system...

@@dodo_nothebird1994 Except it's one of the best in Europe

@@RobertDoornbosF1 said by who? Oh yeah, another Dutch 😅

I think it's an ugly looking thing, though arguably that's better than a bland looking thing. Might even be a future classic give or take 50 years.

I think the issue is with the AnsaldoBreda trains that weren't designed or made in collaboration with another train manufacturer. Both generations of the ETR 500 were built by consortiums of multiple companies including AnsaldoBreda. The Frecciarossa 1000 was developed with input from Bombardier. The various trains including the Fyra that were built by AnsaldoBreda with small amounts of design input from companies with less experience in train design were the ones plagued by issues. The problem isn't with Italian trains but with AnsaldoBreda trains, but because AnsaldoBreda trains were the only trains exported out of Italy people judged them as Italian trains. Hitachi took over AnsaldoBreda's operations in Italy and the trains they make seem to be fine showing that it was an AnsaldoBreda issue not an issue with how Italian people were working.

secondo me il frecciabianca è molto peggio del frecciargento, se lo si vuole considerare un AV anche se dubito fortemente che lo sia davvero

The FYRA wasn't the only crappy train that AnsaldoBreda managed to produce, though. The Danish IC4 trains and the order for trams in Gothenburg also turned out disastrous. They had a long history of making big promises to win the contracts, and then utterly failing to deliver on those promises. They also produced some trams for Boston that had a lot of problems, IIRC. Then, AnsaldoBreda was bought out by the Japanese company Hitachi, and became Hitachi Rail Italy. Since then, they've slowly been improving, but some of HRI's trains still have a lot of problems! The new "Azuma" intercity trains for the UK are not unreliable, but they're known for being noisy and flimsy. However, they've been getting better over the years. The ETR 1000 was built as joint venture between the Canadian company Bombardier (which has since been bought out by Alstom) and Hitachi Rail Italy. So even though it was built in Italy, it wasn't a purely Italian project. I am certain that Italian trains will keep on getting better and better - but there's a good reason why people are still distrustful of them, and that reason is AnsaldoBreda.

@@wasmic5z when the Frecciarossa 1000 was designed and the first 50 units were built, Hitachi Rail Italy wasn't a thing. Also basically 90% of the italian rolling stock was mostly made by Breda at Pistoia, and all those trains worked fine

@@wasmic5z @wasmic5z the Azuma trains (class 800) were built in Newton Aycliffe with bodywork made in Japan, there was no involvement of Hitachi Italy. The class 802 (known as Nova 1, Paragon, or IET depending on operator) were built at Pistoia in Italy after Hitachi took over AnsaldoBreda as Newton Aycliffe was at capacity. The initial Azuma/class 800 trains (built from 2014 onwards) that had some issues were all made in the UK (with bodywork shipped from Japan), construction on the 802's (made in Italy) began in 2017 so I don't think this is a fair criticism of Italian train manufacturing.

Thyristor's haven't been used for decades, and they are passive components that can't make any noise except a bang when they fail. High power electronics are made with IGBTs these days.

​@@Hans-gb4mv I'd forgotten I was talking to railway enthusiasts. I used thyristor to indicate the switching devices. The noise is produced by the switching modules as they commutate. Some Austrian locos even play part of a musical scale as they start.

Wat about The Taurus locomotive i.m from Holland they.re not allowed to the NL such aan shame. I would love to hear it accelerate at the trainstation 😊😊agreat and musical🚂🚆🚄

In train barbershop, characteristically Italian 🤌🏻😂

Madrid's metro also bought trains from AnsaldroBreda and...well, their traction motors had a tendency to fall to the tracks. They are a maintenance nightmare.

HOWEVER AnsaldoBreda is no longer exist because HITACHI has absorb it and change it's name to HITACHI RAIL ITALY And their (Hitachi ITALY) seem to be look quite well.

@@Headbreak1 Exacto, no te olvides de los descarrilamientos en la línea circular donde tienen prohibido rodar.

'denmark' doesn't exist

@@RedRocketthefirst what do you mean?

You are talking about the little red/green indicators for brake status, right? Here in spain lots of trains have those as well, although mostly useless because they always end up covered in graffiti paint 🤦‍♂️

@@osasunaitor Yup!

Are you involved in pedophily or was abused by your parents when a child?

Aparte, ahora los 7000 y 9000, por fin han acabado siendo el tren que deberían haber sido desde el minuto 1, eso si, después de mil reparaciones y mucho dinero gastado a lo largo del tiempo.

Nah its ugly

Milan is a tipically "love at the second sight-city" - it offers much hidden treasures even if it isn't a flawless beauty.

milan it’s fuller of hidden gems, at first sight it’s quite normal to think it has a few things to offer. do you know that i live in milan since i was born and i discovered some beauties of this city only this year? hahaha

Useless

Lol, emergency brakes when flushing the toilets, really??? XD

that is why when tracks are covered in snow dutch trains do not run?

The problem was just this kind of trains they made and still are making great trains such as frecciarossa 1000 and other great regional trains

True, but it also means the train will be a lot lighter and quicker, making it convenient to use them for domestic 140 km/h services too. With a heavy and long train it would be way less convenient

Fyra was such a massive fail by NS (Dutch Railways) , still NS sucks hard, trying to get better, but can’t manage to release new trains

What a trip! Probably not the european train experience you were expecting...

@@osasunaitor but it was funny when Ms. Sargentini told me to stay where I was and politely told off the Karen.

every time dutch railways experience snow or wind storms passenger experience cancelled trains or completely cancelled service

Honland trains workers are better like vetrine workers, belgian involved in pedhophilie..

Yes it's Norwegian Prima.

yup sound def like it hahaha

Women moment

That's the thing with Italian products. They look great, but the quality...

@@milomhoek are you telling me this train looks good? This doesn't even have that redeeming quality.

@@user-kw9qu2gz8v I am sure he meant the Danish train was looking good, the IC4. It is in service there, but still not working well.

@@milomhoek Everyone makes mistakes, even the great germans when my Audi A7 (100k € car) got its start&stop system broken. Unfortunately, they couldn't fix it, but they're germans so best quality, right?

@@user-kw9qu2gz8v Ok true, haha

Well clearly not by the trains

@@liamcfc frecciarossa is built by an italian company too lol

@@federicapuliga432 Frecciarossa is amazing.

@@liamcfc ikr

Actually that's Latin and not Italian. Source: I'm Italian.

well... probably most of them, you have 3 ways of doing this trip you either use the highspeed service to bologna but doing so takes more than 3 hours and is double the price, use the regional service that requires a change but still takes more than 3 hours of travel time but in a straight line... or you use this highspeed train with a travel time of 2 hours and 30 minutes at the same price of the regional service... it's basically a no brainer, things will probably change once the high speed high capacity railway line currently under construction will be finished, but as it stands it's a reasonable service.

oh and I almost forgot there is also some NTV service on the line and depending on the pricing it's highly competitive with the frecciargento

the Dutch railways are notoriously shit (no pun intended) at toilets in trains. Many of their 'koploper' long distance intercity sets only have 1 (!) toilet per EMU, or at most two. VIRM sets have 1 toilet every other or even every third carriage, and they use double-deck cars. Then there's 'Sprinter' commuter services that have no toilets at all. BlauwNet(Keolis) rides regional services between two major cities with no long-distance-train alternative (Zwolle, Enschede) where the journey takes over an hour, and they use FLIRT's that have 1 toilet that is practically always broken down to the point that they instructed their personnel to allow people in the conductor's compartment to take a leak if necessary. It's laughable. Point being, I bet the Dutch Railways just asked the FYRA designers to not put many toilets in, Dutch train travellers are primed to expect nothing, not drink anything before and during a long train journey already so they could just get away with this as well.

@@BubblesBub434 Oh my...really? I thought that the ETR 700 case for the number of toilets was unique.

In the original project, this train was supposed to cover the Brussels-Amsterdam section in about an hour and a half, almost as if it were a fast metro. The dutch specifications therefore envisaged few toilets in favor of more places. Trenitalia has not been able to change this aspect, although I think it has some ideas about it. However, on the Milan-Venice section, the train is adequate, because it is a two-hour journey, which would be the work for which it was designed

probably they reopen it from april, when we’re not supposed to wear masks anymore

@@federicapuliga432 Thanks, I plan on going back this summer, Italy was great

@@federicapuliga432 Thanks, I sure hope so, but my point was all those other countries had the same masks rules as Italy, yet their restaurant/bar cars were open , probably more of a cost cutting move is my theory

@@ringo7561 yeah but i don’t think this is mask related and neither for costs

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