That's the best separation I have ever heard in a guitar/vocal situation.

The algorithm must’ve heard me complaining because this video was suggested to me and right now I’m trying to record some acoustic stuff, and I’ve been having nothing but trouble with comb filtering, resonate frequencies, and weird phase issues like you mentioned. Ironically I’ve owned a matched pair of Royer R10’s for a few years now. I never knew ribbon mics had such crazy null points. So after watching this I set up my R10’s exactly how you have them set here, and it worked like a charm. In the 12 years I’ve been trying to figure out how to capture a vocal and acoustic guitar I’ve only ever dealt with issues and always ended up having to settle for salvaged recordings. This configuration has given me separation and pristine recordings without weird resonance or filtering. I’m frustrated that it took me this long to come across this, but I’m elated I finally have the answer. Thanks so much! You rock!

Many times I get even more rejection aiming the bottom at the unwanted source, because the extra mic casing, electronics etc... gives a little more barrier. Also this way you can get away with one stand and bar. Also, a stereo ribbon, such as the AEA, you can point the nulls at each source with the mic horizontal to the floor, if you are in tighter situation, such as a small person with big guitar hunched over etc...

Great approach. Interesting that he only had 5 strings on the guitar. Still a nice full sound.

Dude, I've been trying to figure this one out for a long time. No idea why I didn't think to use ribbons. Amazing isolation. Thanks!

This is really great! Very effective separation between the two sources. The song has a great vocal melody too.

Really love guitar from the first example and also vocals from the first two:) I'm very impressed by this technique, never thought results like this are even possible)

This was super helpful. When I was younger I just couldn't isolate either instrument. Great insight! Thanks!!!

So that is how they do this! :) Now I need another ribbon mic. Thank you for all you do! I learn something new in every video. Your info is so valuable.

A great technique for anyone lucky enough to have 2 ribbon mics.. Thanks for yet another gold nugget

Blood amazing, I've always had issues with this just using condensers or dynamics and wondered how people get it to sound so good. Thanks Ryan!

I'm so excited to be using this technique on singer songwriters. Just got myself two ribbon mics and tried out this setup and I'm amazed by the great rejection.

I love the sound of ribbon mics. Just got my first pair, Golden Age Project's active ribbons. Dreaming of a day when I can afford the more expensive ones but pleasantly surprised with these affordable ones. Thanks for the video!

Amazing separation ….. ! Definitely going to try it out soon. Thanks!!

Position number 3 sound the best in my opinion. Nice tuto!

414 in figure-8 on AC GTR and RE20 on vox is a great pairing too, nice rejection. Although, using those N22 on EVERY session is the wise choice.

Old video I know, but I'm getting frustrated trying to use my C414B XLII in figure 8 mode. I get nothing like the amount of separation achieved in this and other videos - and I've now spent many hours experimenting with positions to hit that null sweet spot. Do you (or anyone else reading this post) have any thoughts on whether ribbons are significantly better than condensers when it comes to greater nulls in figure 8?

This is just what I was looking for. The difference is I'm plugging in a hollowbody Gretsch into an audio interface for livestreaming. I've got nice vocal effects on the vocal track, but when the mic picks up the hollowbody... yikes it's horrible. My harmony plugin might sound great with a vocal track, but when it picks up the hollowbody it's just awful. I've been trying all kinds of things with no luck. The closest I've gotten is by doing heavy EQ and then it kind of kills or deadens the vocals. I already have a ribbon mic. I'm going to give it a try for vocals and run my guitar into the audio interface as before. I've been told by people over and over that ribbon mics are for instruments, not vocals. I wouldn't have thought to try this. It would be great if I could eliminate string noise and give me that separation. Thank you for this tutorial!

Incredible isolation!

Love this. I just tried this with the figure 8 pattern on my 87 and the guitar bleed was significant but I was not close miking the vocal as there was a video component where my face had to be exposed. Going to try close miking the vocal make sure the signal to noise is better.

Great video Ryan. I would be happy using any of the 3 versions. They all sound great to me. Cheers

Great Video ❤

You have the best content on ribbon mics. Thanks man!

Really great results !. All these years and I've never tried it with ribbons. Always struggled with the 2 condenser deal, sometimes using a piece of cardboard to isolate. I like version 3 the best overall. I like the isolated gtr of 2 for clarity, but the two mics together had a little honk(combing?) to it that I didn't like. 1 overall was good, but 3 was even better ;-)

Absolutely love this channel. :) Thank you for all the great lessons, kind sir!

This is the highest level of separation I’ve come across, and this guy is a loud singer too! I’m interested in how much of this down to the ribbon mic vs the figure 8 polar pattern. I have an AT 2050 which will do figure 8 but as a condenser it’s really sensitive to bleed. What makes the ribbon mic so effective?

wow, how low is the Gain stage?

What's the name of the song?

Wish I had known this 3 months ago... Great tip for next time I do this!

Can you cancel out the guitar from the vocal mic with phase? I read somewhere that Phil Collins or maybe it was Sting would record in front of studio monitors instead of using headphones and then the playback thru the speakers was canceled out of phase in the mix.

love #3!

Do you think this would work with any/cheaper ribbons? I don't have the funds to afford N22's ;(

Sounds great.

Thank you Ryan, great video! KR, Patrick

Okay i'm gonna need a ribbon mic... Which affordable/good one would you recommend? Btw who's the artist? he has an amazing voice!

Very informative thank you!

now I need a second AEA N22, damn! :D

Is the amount of bleed small enough to not cause artifacts if you apply pitch correction to the vocal?

I swear I seen a video with these guys using a Orange cone on the top mic; to separate the guitar and vocals. But I can't find it anywhere. Anyone know where that video is????

Wow, that's amazing. Negligible bleed.

Nice trick, I don’t have any ribbon. It’s at the moment though…

Wonderful video and a great approach. I use a Rode NTR and am thonking about getting a second figure 8 ribbon mic. Should i just get another NTR or can i get any other brand/model too, so i could add another flavour for single mic use? Subscribed

hey cool! I have the same guitar.... assuming that's a 114e

Those ribbons have a lot less low end than I would expect.

would then always rerecord the vocal separately to gain further clarity? or would it purely depend upon the performance as a whole? for instance if the performance with both mic whilst playing the guitar at the same time was special would you then simply use this performance?

I just bought an AKG P420 that has a figure 8 mode. This should theoretically work the same way as this ribbon mic, right? I did a test, and there was a ton of guitar bleed on the vocal mic. Any ideas?

Man super separation! Just add a very soft gate on the Vox then it effectively 100% clean.

Sounds so good. What model mics are those? I'm in the market for a pair for exactly this type of work.

I just want to record my [guitar+singing+video+mixing] No extra beats or anything. Please help me. Thank you.

great vid and info!!!

if i have a rode ntr and a nt2-a what should I put on the acoustic vs the vocals?

thats crazy, ive gotten more bleed from the singer monitoring with cheap headphones!

Am I seeing this right? Are there only 5 strings on that acoustic? Like, no low E string?

Really surprising result! What ribbon mic is that?

What pre would you recommend for the n22?

But what's he like when he's not around his friends?

number 1 for me :)

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sounds incredible via my burls

you completely failed on showing us how to actually setup the mics which is incredibly frustrating

Another one! I almost never use my ribbons, not on vocals, not on cue sticks, not even on small amps. Why'd he go and say "this is me ..... NO"? No what? It's not really you? Was he telling you to stop doing something distracting? Were you dancing?

wow that separating is bizarre

*cringe*