Sleeving a Polaris 800 RMK Snowmobile Cylinder. How to Machine a Nikasil Cyl for LA Sleeves

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In this video I show you what is involved and how to sleeve a polaris RMK snowmobile cylinder.
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@nunomiguelrodriguessilva3028 2 жыл бұрын

Realy nice. Great job. Subscribed 👍

@EricksonMachinePerformance 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, subscribing, and commenting!!

@user-jp8jt5yi9y 4 ай бұрын

Отличная, подробная работа. Спасибо за видео!

@gunghoadventures871 2 жыл бұрын

Great video 👍

@36ELGALAN 3 жыл бұрын

Very informative and thorough video, thanks for the content. Just subbed

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the sub!

@36ELGALAN 3 жыл бұрын

@@EricksonMachinePerformance what does a job like this usually cost, let's say for a 2011 arctic cat F8 sno pro H.O.?

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

@@36ELGALAN normally around $800 ish with pistons

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@otahu26 3 жыл бұрын

Thats Awesome..

@andybutt3809 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome work 👌

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much 😀

@akilashherbals8455 3 жыл бұрын

@@EricksonMachinePerformance ÀÀ@

@LewisMowersandBoats Жыл бұрын

Very cool brother 😎

@EricksonMachinePerformance Жыл бұрын

@riverryder8071 3 жыл бұрын

Would love to see resleeving of 750 or 800 kaw Pwc cyl with the cast in sleeves

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure I'll do soon. Vvbut is it basically the same as the polaris rmk video I did. Only difference is instead of boring out Nicisl it would be cast iron

@coteya 3 жыл бұрын

subbed

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

🤘

@AngelRodriguez-eo7wp 3 жыл бұрын

Do you work on 2 stroke dirt bike engine's ????

@walterpollard5398 2 жыл бұрын

Have you ever thought about sleeping motorized bicycle cylinders I have a falcon 911 cylinder it is now 48mm I was wanting to board 52 mm

@awesomeproducts1582 Жыл бұрын

Would you be able to resleeve a 2001 yz125 cylinder for me? And how much would that cost, it would be sleeved back to stock bore.

@raddestraven 3 жыл бұрын

I have a 2008 Polaris 800, it still has not needed re-plating , low hours for it's year though. Do you think operating a snowmobile in cold weather would cause more piston wear from the two different heat expansion rates when a cast sleeve is installed? Also I have a 97 KX500 with a new sleeve in the cylinder, the cross hatching is already worn almost smooth, just around the exhaust port. Could this be from the sleeve being a tighter fit in the bottom, or just from all the people that want to ride it and don't let it warm up? It still runs good and has strong compression. Would you suggest I just ride it or should I pull the cylinder and hone that nickel sized smooth spot and drill a few small oil holes in the piston skirt ? This was a very good video I thought, I do not see why plating costs more, that was quite a bit of work involved.

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

If the 500 has good compression keep riding it. The cross hatch could have been wrong grit or a few other things . It won't affect the motor to bad. As the the iron liner, plating is harder BUT iron expands more evenly. So they both have there trade offs. Personally I prefer iron liners over plating. But both are great and both will last a LONG time

@markrichardson239 Жыл бұрын

I have never seen a selection of tool-heads and die bits like that. Foredom?? You have THOUSANDS tied up in them. It appears to me the Van Norman deck is rough... obvious mill marks... Is that something to worry over? What honing machine is that? How elegant! Great video, and thanks!!! Mark

@EricksonMachinePerformance Жыл бұрын

The cylinder head is sealed with orings. There isn't a gasket. So the sealing surface on these is the bottom of the oring grooves, not the deck. So the surface finish on these on the deck doesn't affect anything. That being said is was a 16 ra finish which is still a great finish. U Its hard to tell surface finish in a picture or video Especially when the cylinder has cast iron and aluminum that you're cutting at the same time because the cast iron will leave rubber marks on the aluminum . The hone I have is a van norman cylinder hone, and yes, I have thousands In porting tools! Thanks for watching and Commenting

@owenmiddlecamp6984 2 жыл бұрын

Hey could I do this on my cr250 it’s already sleeved and the sleeve is toast I’m thinking just heat it up and punch the old sleeve out and freeze the new one and hopefully drop it in. Btw I couldn’t believe how nicely you line that up good on you!

@EricksonMachinePerformance 2 жыл бұрын

Yes you can but after the cylinder needs to be bored and the deck needs to be decked. Take measurements because not all manufacturers sleeves are the same dimensions to make sure you purchase the same sleeve

@owenmiddlecamp6984 2 жыл бұрын

@@EricksonMachinePerformance yes sir I will do

@relax261085 3 жыл бұрын

Great video!! What you would say are the disadvantages of the cast iron sleeve in comparison with the nikasil? Can an engine blow by that alteration? Or cause the engine to heat? I have this problem with my xr650r and everybody says its because its sleeved instead of nikasil...it heats, blow the head gasket and eventually the piston stick with the cylinder. Maybe could be a bad job sleeve? one thing i noticed is that the sleeve is maybe too fat around 8mm if that helps. Any advise is welcome!

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

On 2 strokes personally I don't see disadvantages. Technically people talk about heat dissipation but the liner so thin in the rest of the cylinder so large I've never seen that to actually be in issue. The other thing is technically plating harder BUT the aluminum is softer so many times it peals the plating.. when machined correctly there aren't issues with leaks. But if done incorrectly there be issues ( but that's basically any machine work)

@rideordie2736 2 жыл бұрын

@@EricksonMachinePerformance where you located

@audreymeschkuleit3466 Жыл бұрын

Possibly machined inaccurately. Not many decent shops out they're.

@ct1762 Жыл бұрын

@@audreymeschkuleit3466 very true for 2 strokes! i send all my outboard 2 stroke blocks to a specialty shop in TN. No hope of finding a good shop in all the northeast... atleast that i've seen. all the guys have retired.

@eeziinc.4916 3 жыл бұрын

Great video- Imagine walking in on someone watching this @ 31:41

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@lloydlawson6876 3 жыл бұрын

What is the clearance for the fit between the sleeve and the jug? Nice video

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

It's interference fit. So the sleeve is normally. 003" larger then the aluminum cylinder

@gorantadic9703 Ай бұрын

Koji je materijak te kosuljice stubline sto si presao u blok motora?Dali je to niksal ili gis ili druga neka,legura?

@joshleibsle4143 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2010 rmk that blew a piston ring and scored the wall all to hell Not sure how everything else looks below that point. I’ve been delaying tearing it apart as motors aren’t really my thing. I’m curious as to what it cost to drop new sleeves in and if it maybe it’s possible to just have plated

@EricksonMachinePerformance 2 жыл бұрын

Can u email me pictures of the damaged

@doobyboy21 3 жыл бұрын

Can this be done to any snowmobile that has Nikasil cylinders ? Also, is it less expensive then replating ?

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

It can be done to most. The price is similar to replacing but it can be bored oversize after

@jordanthomas2210 5 ай бұрын

Do you have a preference for aftermarket Pistons. I'm having a hard time finding stock bore Pistons. I see you are using Pro X in this video.

@EricksonMachinePerformance 5 ай бұрын

For cast pistons ProX. For Forged we use Wossner or Wiseco

@jordanthomas2210 5 ай бұрын

@EricksonMachinePerformance Hi. I am doing a topend refresh. My 2016 Polaris Rush Pro-S 800 has 6k on it. I would like to keep it stock, because it has been reliable. I do plan on having someone with the correct tooling check out the cylinder wall surfaces before purchasing parts. What are the pros and cons of Cast vs Forge, in this application. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Your attention to detail is awesome🤘

@noahrothering3407 6 ай бұрын

Would you be able to do sleeving to my 96 ext 580 cylinders?

@EricksonMachinePerformance 6 ай бұрын

Email me the info. Ericksonmap@gmail.com

@rickkieger3305 6 ай бұрын

Hello I can't find anyone to sleeve my 2009 Polaris 800 jug was wondering what you cost to do it I live far from big cities so kinda a pain and around here in North western WI them jugs are hard to come by

@EricksonMachinePerformance 6 ай бұрын

Email me some pictures of the damage and I'll get you pricing ericksonmap@gmail.com

@benk5206 3 жыл бұрын

I’m looking for a cylinder sleeve for a 2011 RMK pro 800 but not having much luck. Any ideas?

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

they are back ordered EVERYWHERE!!

@jeaninebear3326 3 жыл бұрын

Hey bud I have a 2000 rmk 800 I blew the piston...and the cylinder is a bit scratch up...is it salvageable

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

Email me pictures 99% yes no problem

@michaelgonzalez8863 3 жыл бұрын

The quickest way to boost subs is a collaboration with another you tube channel that has over 100k subs .

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

Yes. But earlier said then done. 2strokestuffing had some of my stuff on his channel. Which was greatly appreciated. And I have another one that will be out in the future.

@elmeradams8781 3 жыл бұрын

Did you end up running a ball hone in the sleeves? You did that then a wire brush looking thing on a different boring (no pun) video you posted.

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

Yes I quickly use a ball home on ALL 2 STROKE cylinders to help debur the port chambers

@elmeradams8781 3 жыл бұрын

@@EricksonMachinePerformance thanks for answering. What angle hatch pattern and grit ball hone for prox piston?

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

@@elmeradams8781 I dont use the ball hone for the final finish. But 60/40. 240grit ball hone BUT thats used to help chamfer and deburr the chamfered ports. 280grit is normally the finish grit with a rigid hone

@kevinpurdy6798 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2011 polaris 800 assault and the skirt is completely broke off the one side not just the 1 ear like this one, can it still be resleaved like thgis one?

@EricksonMachinePerformance 2 жыл бұрын

Yes no problem

@kevinpurdy6798 2 жыл бұрын

@@EricksonMachinePerformance thanks for your reply, I'm in Ontario Canada and sent pics to a machine shop and they said it can't be repaired. Do you get some stuff sent to you from Canada?

@EricksonMachinePerformance 2 жыл бұрын

@@kevinpurdy6798 yes. Email me pictures. ericksonmap@gmail.com

@WanderingVet587 Жыл бұрын

I have a VN 944 boring bar, where did you get the table for yours? i would love to have one like this for mine!

@EricksonMachinePerformance Жыл бұрын

I built that table

@WanderingVet587 Жыл бұрын

@@EricksonMachinePerformance would you happen to have any plans that you used? Or was it just something you built as you went.

@EricksonMachinePerformance Жыл бұрын

@@WanderingVet587 I basically built it how I wanted to have a stand for mainly doing 2 strokes If you would like I could do a video on what I used to make the stand and give basic diagrams of everything

@WanderingVet587 Жыл бұрын

@@EricksonMachinePerformance that would be a pretty interesting video. I really like your setup…it makes my table look like it was ordered from wish 🤣

@dsmperformanceracing4355 7 ай бұрын

How much would you charge on doing two 2008 rmk 700 cylinders? No damage. Just damage to the lining. I’d rather use a sleeve.

@EricksonMachinePerformance 7 ай бұрын

Can you email me and I can quote it for you

@EricksonMachinePerformance 7 ай бұрын

Ericksonmap@gmail.com

@yoceflkorti3800 Жыл бұрын

مرحبا ألن بسبب هذا مشاكل في حرارة المحرك وهل الحديد أفضل من النكسيل

@EricksonMachinePerformance Жыл бұрын

we have had less issues with them with iron bores

@richardbalagot5167 3 жыл бұрын

sir how to fix backfire yamaha waveraider 700

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

First check the flywheel key. If you want email me and I'll be happy to help ericksonmap@gmail.com. odds are its timing or carb related

@leger205 3 жыл бұрын

what's the machines you are using? Cheers from Canada

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

A Van Norman 777s4 boring bar with stand, a milling machine and a honing machine

@ehabradiology Жыл бұрын

From where we can buy sleeves for 2azfe engine but not expensive

@EricksonMachinePerformance Жыл бұрын

For what engine?

@Radek6 3 жыл бұрын

Good day. How many hundreds of millimeters did you drill a smaller hole for the case? thank you for the info

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

Do you mean the interference fit between the sleeve and cylinder?

@Radek6 3 жыл бұрын

@@EricksonMachinePerformance Yes.

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

. 003-.004" or .076.101mm

@Radek6 3 жыл бұрын

@@EricksonMachinePerformance does that mean seven tenths of a millimeter? or one hundredth of a millimeter ?? Is not it too little?

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

@@Radek6 in metic I only know it.in digits. I work in sae in the USA I don't want to mis state something

@alexandrerodier9625 10 ай бұрын

what honing machine is this ?

@EricksonMachinePerformance 10 ай бұрын

It a Winnona Van Norman hone

@florianbraaap8682 Жыл бұрын

Bonjour à combien de degrés et combien de temps faut-il chauffer le cylindre pour qu'il se dilate suffisamment

@EricksonMachinePerformance Жыл бұрын

400-500f for about 30 minutes

@nunyabizzness5477 3 жыл бұрын

Those sleeves are not designed to be run without an ear behind them. The sleeve's ODs are 3.5 inches. That translates to 88.9mm. The bore is 85mm, which means the sleeve is 1.95mm thick on each side. I have a foreboding that the brittle and thin sleeve on the MAG side is going to break off and make a big mess, and all your hard work will be ruined. Those Polaris 800s have lots of problems with the pistons being too short in the first place, so that, combined with not having a strong cylinder ear to run against, and the sleeve being machined with right angles near the boost port intake, is going to be a problem much faster. I'd really recommend getting a scored up cylinder, removing these sleeves, boring that cylinder, installing these sleeves in it, honing it, and combining that with any common durability kit with taller pistons, base spacer, and longer base bolts. But I could be wrong, and I hope I am, honestly.

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

Some people Run with the aluminum ears removed without issue. .055" thick is enough to support WITHOUT aluminum to support it.. That being said 1 small section missing will not hurt ANYTHING. I have 20 years of building performance 2 strokes. This sleeve is stronger then the aluminum EVER was. I have done a bunch over the years and have NEVER had an issue with a sleeved jug either way. Thin aluminum offers very little support compared to a quality iron liner. Thanks for the comment

@richsharp1524 3 жыл бұрын

He is totally correct. That sleeve is completely fine. Some people over analyze overthink and put to much worry into something that is not worth worrying about. Looks good, nice video. Thanks for sharing 👍😊

@EricksonMachinePerformance 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@ar2043 3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you and Rich. Polaris had some big issues as the previous poster mentioned but it was eventually traced back to the Pistons suffering severe shrinkage and then making a mess. Most of it was determined later on to be the pistons, not a cylinder problem. Something to do with the high silicone content.

@sucapizda 3 жыл бұрын

@@ar2043 So when he rebuild my 2012 800r switch back, what would you record I do to make it bulletproof? Is that fix kit any good? Are there upgraded Polaris pistons to buy? And does turning up the oiler on these engines help at all? Thanx.

@infinitewars6373 2 жыл бұрын

BONDING THE CYLIDNER ON EPOXY?! ARE YOU GUYS DRUNK?

@EricksonMachinePerformance 2 жыл бұрын

There's no epoxy. They are heat shrink fit. And lock-tite sleeve retainer is used

@EricksonMachinePerformance 2 жыл бұрын

The cylinder is machined .003 to .005 SMALLER then the sleeve then heated to over 500f to install within interference fit. This is the industry STANDARD for sleeving aluminum blocks with iron liners. Thanks for watching

@EricksonMachinePerformance 2 жыл бұрын

You do know when you heat metal it Expands. Right?? When it cools it locks the sleeves in place😉

@yourselfdotcom Жыл бұрын

Tell us you don't know what you're talking about without saying you don't know what you're talking about. Hahahaahha

@audreymeschkuleit3466 Жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with properly machined linered Cylinder. Myself I feel nikasil done cause it's cheaper for the manufacturer period. I've had far more nikasil problems than ever with liners in my race engines.

@EricksonMachinePerformance Жыл бұрын

I 100% agree. And most of the problems with this polaris engine are solved with iron sleeves

@alexandrerodier9625 10 ай бұрын

@@EricksonMachinePerformance what is the probleme ? when putting a liner what do you chage the cylinder to piston clearance from oem spec or ? thank