Considering that the controls of the gun changed to the CZ controls. I would say Sig owners should be thanking CZ for the improvements Sig came up with.

What shoulder holster do you use for your P210 carry?

A full sized concealed carry gun with no light rail in this day and age is a mystery to me as well. I can understand a microcompact not having a rail but not a compact or full sized gun? Compact and full sized guns need to be able to pull double duty as home defense weapons. Every home defense weapon needs a weaponlight on it for target identification in the dark. My other question is why didn’t Sig make this thing double stack? They certainly have the technology to do so. I’m not really a fan of 1940 magazine capacity in 2022.

@@leroyjenkins4811 I'm just gonna take a guess and say the cost to make the engineering and (possibly) tooling changes required to the frame for a rail and a slightly wider mag would not be worth what is likely to be a small niche market for this gun. Also agree with your comments on a light for home defense, but using it for concealed carry is another issue. If you can't see your "target" out in public, pointing a gun to see it better may not always be wise.

They could really have a winner there if they added light rail and optic cut. All that plus the 210 accuracy is a great package

I guess..... I mean my home defense weapon is a rifle, so my carry guns, while some are fullsize, don't necessarily need a light rail. sig already makes the P320's and P226's and 1911's with rails, so if you want rails and red dots and all that, they already make something like that. this gun seems like they wanted to make a carry version of their target gun. a variation, not a whole new gun, so it makes sense to me that they didn't stray too far from the DNA of the original gun. it is also possible that the audience they were trying to meet just is a group that doesn't include your tastes. that's why sig makes a ton of different guns! so we can all have something that suits our tastes (or does closely). we all organize our guns needs differently. I don't think this was meant o be a "do it all" kind of gun, but a niche gun.

@@theoverunderthinker Well yeah, I think I said it’s a niche gun, and either because of cost (my guess) or by choice (or maybe both) they didn’t re-design the frame to put a rail on it. As you say, lots of other options if that is what you want. Also, never meant to imply I don’t like the gun - choice is good and that’s why there are so many different firearms on the market to meet different needs and wants. It’s not what I would buy, but has nothing to do with a lack of rail - just not the size, weight, capacity that suits my preferences.

James Bond should carry this

Lightweight Commander = ideal CCW auto;; heavyweight Commander = NO

Wah 😥

They loaned it to me, I send them back

@@SmallArmsSolutions , Haha, I didn’t think Sig was that tight, after all look at all the free advertisement and pistols you end up selling for them. At least you got to enjoy it a little bit.👍

@@scottsmith4710 very few manufacturers give out free products. Contrary to popular belief.

Correct. Colter Brog put out a video on a P-210 slide disassembly which obviously includes the firing pin block parts detail.

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So.

I agree but honestly, 95 percent of these will never be carried. They'll be safe queens or range toys.

Thats like putting a floyd rose tremolo system on a Gibson Les Paul. It's just wrong, goddamnit.

That would defeat the purpose!

@@SmallArmsSolutions I think I disagree. Lots of double stack 1911/2011s around too. And arguably the 210 is a far better gun.

I know, as if people haven't been carrying and using handguns without lights on them for centuries lol.

@@KossoffFan Its amazing how mankind survived without picatinny rails with a laser and flashlight hanging on it.

Sounds like you want a custom CZ.

When the drop occurs in certain orientations, regardless of saftey position. If you drop it witu the barrel pointing down, the movement of the body stops, but the firing pin has intertia that carries through. This can cause enough of an impact to the primer to cause an accidental discharge.

Thanks for the info. 👍🏻

A Series 70 1911 still has the grip safety. Any rate if the thumb safety is engaged it shouldn't fire. Also the firing pin is spring loaded so the pin doesn't tap the primer from inertia when dropped. It was designed for troops so its got safety built into it.

@@LuvBorderCollies Yes because every modern combat handgun implemented firing pin blocks for a completely non-existent issue. Accepting the risks of the design so as to not compromise trigger pull, complexity, and repliability is perfectly valid. Denying the riskes exist is asinine.

That seems like a law of nature or mechanics. The vintage High Standard target .22 autos are works of craftsmanship inside and out and on the target. The later ones ..... not close. IIRC the later ones were stainless and that is a royal PITA to work with. So that likely accounted for much of the difference.

I had no failures

@@SmallArmsSolutions thank you for the reply back in the information. Were you even aware of the issue? I’m just wondering if it was certain ones? There are definitely some videos online about it. I had the same issue with the P210 standard as well except not every single time. Maybe the magazines need broke in?

I had tested both this and the carry. None experienced any failures

It would still put a hole in your head.

Basically a paper weight. I get it.

You have no idea!

Did Sig never fully resolve the drop test issue with the P220? Is there a titanium firing pin option or other solution?

@ Colonel K Good question. It is hard to find updates that are accurate. The P220 (old school 70's design) has a firing pin block. It is 100% safe (unless there is terrible maintenance) when dropped in the Double Action mode, the way that it is supposed to be carried. In Single Action mode it is possible to drop, usually throw, the P220 and have it fire. The classic P-series pistols (226, 228, 229, etc.) have that same limitation. There is no "dingus" in the trigger shoe. Most people heard of the recent P320 drop safe issues but did not know what you know about the P220. The P320 also has no "dingus". The lightened trigger shoe 99% helps make the P320 drop safe. The P320 has a firing pin block. It can still fire if thrown (more than dropped) in exactly the wrong, bad luck way. I doubt that can happen in real life. If something gets caught in the trigger when dropped, drawn from the holster, or when reholstered, the P320 will fire. That is how the less than intelligent cops have shot themselves AFTER the voluntary upgrade (recall) or new design was released. The corrupt attorneys and corrupt union reps have filed false lawsuits against SIG to cover up the fact that the cops pulled the triggers. The military has a manual safety on the P320. The P320'is 100% drop safe with the safety in the ON position, old or new design. There is a firing pin block. Most ignorant cops and ignorant attorneys have no idea that the engineers can reconstruct firearms accidents. We can even see inside the pistols. Thatbis why the corrupt cops destroy evidence before filing lawsuits against the manufacturere. Their attorneys and union repa found out the hard way. The engineers can see inside the guns. We can also read the "black box" inside the cop cars ...and the cops cannot destroy that evidence without a fire or a hammer.

Regarding the titanium firing pin solution, that makes things better on a firearm that does NOT have a firing pin block. The P220 (and P320) have firing pin blocks, so the titanium firing pin is not needed. The Ruger LCP versions upgraded to a titanium firing pin, a stronger firimg pin return spring, then a much stronger hammer spring ...and even a DA-like heavy amount of creep in their SA trigger mechanism to more cock the hammer ...to put more-more energy into the hammer. ...And the LCP still cannot shoot european 380 ammo reliably due to the hard euro primers. Remember, in europe the ammo is designed to be "safe" in old and crappy pistols that don't have firing pin blocks. The AR did not go to a titanium firing pin, but the original firing pin went on a diet and was lightened in the 1960's??? Chris is smart and discussed the firing pin indents in primers. SAS is pretty cool with smart people like Chris and Heather and a smart and respectful audience. You asked smart questions.

@@johnphillips222 I'm aware of the European primer issue. I remember when I acquired my first Cz75 in the early 1980s I was told, contrary to popular belief, the DA trigger pull was not for carrying the pistol in condition 2 (hammer down with a round in the chamber), but was intended to provide a second and third strike capability in case a hard primer did not detonate. This makes more sense to me than carefully lowering the hammer on a live round. Eventually someone is going to have an accidental discharge.

@ Colonel K You are a smart and well informed man. That is the nice thing about the SAS audience. I have a CZ-75B, so it is a 90's version of the pistol. I keep it around as a reference, just in case a student or Police Officer asks about them. I love the Phillips screws for the grip panels. When you said that the CZ-75 has a DA restrike feature, I had to rethink. Does it? I forgot. I am sure that you are right. Even I have to stop and think. Nobody knows it all about guns. People like you help out so much.

@Carmicha3l Honestly, as accurate as it appears to be, i'd say that makes up for the 8+1 capacity. I could see this being a huge step back for a soldier on a battlefield with ball ammo. But a civilian with excellent quality hollow points, this would be no different than having a really good revolver. Plus one can always do as with a 1911.....buy and carry more mags. Only drawback to that is how much Sig charges for their magazines.

If someone is not a good marksman then they really should have double stack. I was and still am very confident with 6 in a cylinder and 50 yard shots. It took many thousands of rounds to get to that point.

I can appreciate that perspective. That’s how I used to think growing up with a 1911 and feeling just fine. Maybe it’s my paranoia but seeing so many videos of multiple attackers has me rethinking. More attackers needs more ammo. If I’m going to carry a full size pistol I want the advantage of more ammo. That said, 90% of the time I’m carrying a low capacity Glock 43. More reasoning for your justification. Thank you for the comment sir.

I can appreciate that perspective. That’s how I used to think growing up with a 1911 and feeling just fine. Maybe it’s my paranoia but seeing so many videos of multiple attackers has me rethinking. More attackers needs more ammo. If I’m going to carry a full size pistol I want the advantage of more ammo. That said, 90% of the time I’m carrying a low capacity Glock 43. More reasoning for your justification. Thank you for the comment sir.

I can appreciate that perspective. That’s how I used to think growing up with a 1911 and feeling just fine. Maybe it’s my paranoia but seeing so many videos of multiple attackers has me rethinking. More attackers needs more ammo. If I’m going to carry a full size pistol I want the advantage of more ammo. That said, 90% of the time I’m carrying a low capacity Glock 43. More reasoning for your justification. Thank you for the comment sir.

A safety?? Really?