If Chloe has been doing this for almost 4 years, Marinette must either be unrealistically forgiving or extremely dumb for trusting Chloe with a miraculous after Malediktator.

They really tried to say "You can't justify your bad actions with a terrible past" but then tried to justify Marinette's bad actions with a terrible past. I'm not even a Chloe stan but they really are putting even the protagonists flaws as her fault

we need to talk about sabrina's role in the bullying too cuz she's been openly involved and horrible but gets a pass as she's been acting as a scared cat all along

You can see that the story of this episode was not planned, if Marinete says with so much force that she doesn't want to get involved with anyone she doesn't know well and is friends with Chloe then it would have taken longer for her to fall in love with Adrien because she wouldn't have the courage to trust that he would be different, Kim and Marinete were together on several occasions and nothing ever happened, Socline never existed and the chronological order of the series was explained recently, and Marinete literally fell off the trampoline on the pool in the episode Mr Pigeon 72 and didn't seem scared at all even though it was very similar to the scene on the flashback.

If she wanted to “gather a boys info before liking him” then what the heck was Luka

Idk man. The whole reason she gathers all the info she can on her crushes still doesn’t feel right. Even after this episode it still feels more stalker than cautious. Scenes like her sniffing Adrien’s pillow doesn’t help either.

Why aren't more people talking about socqueline? In the whole flashback sequence we NEVER see Marinette have her iconic pigtails. I was getting some major ladybug vibes from her too. She clearly puts herself in danger to protect others and she stands up for herself and Marinette. This begs the question, why wasn't she chosen to be ladybug? Maybe it's because she already possess all of ladybugs traits without the miraculous but dang, this girl should've atleast been handed one of the miraculous instead of HER LITERAL BULLY AND THE BULLY'S SIDEKICK. She seriously should have been first (or second) in line to being given the miraculous 🤦‍♀️

marinette has the THICKEST plot armor i have ever seen

It was a good episode to explain Marinette’s personality but it’s not to justify her actions. I think it was a smart move for Marinette to forgive Kim so she can move on from her trauma. I just don’t like how Kim told in front of his girlfriend that he thinks Chloe is the most beautiful girl showing that he isn’t loyal. Surprise her & Kim are still friends

Unpopular opinion: "Derision" is probably the worst MLB episode. I despise how in the same episode they try so hard to make Chloe look unredeemable, because having a bad past doesn't excuse a bad behaviour (which could make sense sometimes) and at the same time the ALL aim of this episode is a pathetic and offensive attempt to make us feel bad for Marinette and excuse her for YEARS of stalking. The "panic attack" was used in such a disrespectful way, a writers' tool to make Marinette seem such a good and hurt person, who she is not. The worst part is that this all idea is CLEARLY a retcon and they don't even try to hide it.

This episode feels like Thomas Astruc read every piece of criticism Miraculous was getting from Marinette and Chloe's behavior, and wrote a "flashback" episode to say, "ah yes, I see what people are saying, but here is a convient explanation that I just wrote that totally justifies everything".

If this show could stop using Cat Noir's anger as a joke. I'd appreciate that!

I have several problems with this episode: - I get that they wanted to explain Marinette’s creepy stalker behavior, but one: they should’ve tried to explain it much sooner rather than waiting until _SEASON 5._ It’s way too little, way too late for me. And two: Even so, her past still doesn’t make her stalking justified or any less creepy. - If I’m being honest, they ended up making Kim look like not only an even bigger idiot than he already is, but a total dick. Why is Marinette still friends with him??? - Once again, this episode is just Astruc rubbing in how absolutely terrible and unredeemable Chloe is. Like, we get it dude, please put your hate boner away now.

Obviously, the backstory from this episode wasn't something that was planned until - at the very least - the start of production on Season 4. People have already pointed out some of the inconsistencies and plot holes that this episode created, but I don't see many people talking about how Marinette had no issues dating _Luka._ She seemed very normal and comfortable around him, even though this episode was meant to tell us that Marinette would take precautions with ANYONE she falls in love with. Yet, what she described in the flashback only happened with Adrien. Unless I'm missing something, this is yet another one of those inconsistencies that the backstory created. I just haven't seen many people mention it, so I wanted to point it out.

I have to disagree with you. For me, I feel like this episode missed the mark. I get that they're trying to explain Marinettes stalking behaviour, but saying "Chloe bullied Marinette into a stalker" feels like a weird message to me. Especialy if Marinette isn't nearly as scared as she is in this flashback since the origins episode. Side note: I really want Alya and Soqueline to meet in the show. I feel like that could be a very interesting conversation between those 2 about Marinette in a scene like that

I think they need to stop making cat noir commit attempted murder. There are better ways of showing he’s upset. He could’ve just kept beating the living daylight out of the villan until ladybug stops him and gets him hit

Its genuinely concerning how so many people think this episode explains Mari's behaviour. Sure, it explains why she can't confess and her stalking tendency on a lower degree, but it doesn't explain her sabotaging Adrien's schedule and when he hangs out with other girls, or breaking into his house bcs he held a guy only party, or kiss his wax statue And even more concerning how this episode further shows how much of a hypocrite thomas is. He dedicated his whole energy and time to make us hates Chloe, even saying she's irredeemable, while calling Gabe, a domestic terrorist and a well known abuser by the fandom, a sympathetic villain. Imagine calling a teenager irredeemable but an abuser as sympathetic villain. This dude needs to get back to reality, sheesh And also, Adrien is a massive hypocrite in this episode. He finally grows a spine to stand against Chloe after he learned what she did to Mari, but not for what she did to everyone else in front of his face? And he had the audacity to even worried for cataclysmed Monarch, a terrorist, but so willingly cataclysm his own friend I still have a long list to talk about, but these three are the main points

"This explains perfectly why she is the way she is!" Origins pt 2 literally blasts this retcon into oblivion because all it took was for Adrien to give her an umbrella to fall for him. She was never suspicious of him, or distrustful of his actions after that episode lmaooo and she KNEW he was STILL friends with Chloe. When she gets called out for cheering on Chloe leaving Paris forever in Malediktator, you'd think she would've been like "you know what Adrien you have NO idea what she's put me through" but she didn't and even felt bad she looked like a jerk in front of him 💀💀💀 like this ep is the biggest fuck you to people who still had hope that Chloe could have redemption, it's so obviously done out of spite. Now they want us to believe that Marinette is this benevolent person who is so full of forgiveness. Marinette, the same person who made it her sole mission in Vulpina to out Lila as a liar, for no other reason than cus she was jealous of her. Like can the writers stop treating the viewers like they're stupid. Also Socqueline is responsible for her pigtails now ig, even though we've never heard of her until S5, and also Marinette is shown wearing them since she was a toddler in Wishmaker 😅

It was heartbreaking to hear how scared Adrien is, in his relationship with Marinette. Especially, him being scared of losing her. He simply can't bear losing yet another person dear to him, in a very short time span. Not like he lost him mom Emily from one day to another and like he currently is losing Nathalie

The funny thing is, Thomas Astruc attempt for the fans to hate Chloe, caused him to also get hate as well. he honestly deserved it 😂

Funny enough Chloe mentions the cockroach prank back in sole crusher when she is talking to Zoe. She’s coming up with ideas sticking gum on her chair and getting her punished for something she did not do and putting roaches in her locker calling herself brilliant

Thomas Astruc is the real villain. Chloe deserves better And Mari deserves therapy.

This episode shows how much of a hypocrite Thomas Astruc is. They said that the absence of Chloe's mother doesn't excuse her behavior, and yet, the ENTIRE flashback was trying SO HARD to excuse and even justify Marinette's unhealthy obsession with Adrien. It's like Thomas said: "Oh no! They're hating my baby girl and loving Chloe! Lemme just make Chloe look as the worst of the worst and make my precious girl look as a poor, abused sweetheart. Surely they'll love my darling daughter and hate that evil witch." Unfortunately, a number of people accepted it as that and went: "Poor Mari! You deserve all the hugs! Darn you, Chloe! I hate you, you cruel monster!" Hmph 😑 This episode was trying to paint Marinette as this poor, innocent victim, but the only victims of this episode are Chloe and Kim. They're victims of bad writing. I hate it when Thomas tries so hard to make us love certain characters and hate certain characters. It just reeks of unprofessionalism because you have to be neutral when writing characters not biased.

This episode feels like a unreservedly excused to let the chloe fanbase forever knowledge that chloe will never change, their ambition is to hurt her fanbase , all because Thomas Ass-truc is immature, egocentric and biased(w/characters) Thomas Astruc is the TRUE villain of the show

Watched this after watching your last MLB video and my opinion is that the writers are taking advantage of the fact most people accept that their writing is terrible and paper thin, but instead of trying to improve, they're using it as an excuse to continue to write terribly. Knowing that this was her before the series, how did Adrien tolerate her for so long? How did Adrien not realize that she was in fact, the worst person in school? Why did Marinette trust her with a miraculous? If Chloe's using her father as a shield against consequences for her bad behavior, why don't any of the teachers seem to think she's a brat? Why don't any of them even emote sympathy for Marinette? How the heck did she and Kim end up friends when he was dumb enough to go along with this cruel stunt and apparently, in the current time, is still too dumb to understand he was in the wrong and therefore had to be forced to give an empty apology? If Gab can read minds, why hasn't he figured out Marinette knows something or that's there more to her if her being a miraculous holder blocks him as this is the 2nd time he's tried to akumatised her? These are all questions that most viewers would have, but the show seemingly is banking on the fact its terrible, so while you ask these questions, you just accept that you're never get them. The only answer you're get is 'Because plot needed to happen.'

I confess that I was scared when Cat Noir was hitting Dark Humor and saying that he deserved, if this wasn't a children's cartoon I don't even want to imagine what could have happened, the two would have left with trauma too 😓

I know marionette is upset was bullied and humiliated by someone she liked but girl that's no excuse to turn into a crazy obsessive stalker like I know it's probably a coping mechanism but it's still weird af 😭

The ultimate retcon of all time. Just a way to tell all the Chloe fans that she's not getting reedemed and that we should leave Astruc's "master" writing alone.

This episode may as well have been titled damage control. The quick, my mother abandoned me to reference seemed like a weak defense by Astruc. He claimed this was all planned right?

I probably would enjoy this episode more if it wasn’t such an obvious message from the writers to justify their choices

I know we are suppose to feel bad for Mari, and I honestly want to. Getting love confession pranked is definitely enough to make a tragic backstory, and sympathy for someone. Unfortunately, MP72, and all the times Mari was low key chill next to Kim and Sabrina prevents me from giving the stalker my sympathy

Some people in the fandom really think this backstory is good 💀 i swear to god some of them would defend anything. You ought to know by now how much of a manchild Thomas Asstruck is and how this was most definitely made because he was annoyed that the fandom rightfully pointed out at Mari's problematic and stalkerish behavior. Also there is nothing that makes me angrier than secondary characters being completely butchered in favor of the main character.. I can understand Chloe since she has always been a bully, but Kim didn't deserve that. He was always kind of a douche but not to this extent. Also, Marinette was never shown having any issues with Kim before Derision so i really don't get any of this. It's stupid and confusing.

At this point I just don't have any mental capacity left for this show and the egocentric baby Asstruck. I don't care about it's development anymore and seriously don't care about the love square, reveals ectr. Enough is enough. The show is just broken and NEEDS TO END IMMEDIATELY. NO MORE SEASONS, JUST GET TO THE POINT. That's why I want to thank you, for being able to get through that trash on fire and still point out the ridiculousness of it, making a summary of where is the plot heading now. At this point you are the only MLB related content, that I regularly come back to and look forward to. Even when what you are saying is just frustrating... (About the show being weak as hell) So once again, thank you for your patience, work and dedication that you put in your videos.

Ironic how the same thing that caused pain also made Marinete develop her complexity, her plans don't work well for normal situations in her civilian life but as a super hero she can use this to figure out how to use the luckycharm and make strategies to win.

The morals in this episode are completely messed up. Instead of retconning Chloe’s characters to show us that Marinette is too good for this world and that’s why she’s a stalker, they should’ve simply made her face the consequences for her toxic behavior IN THE PRESENT TIMELINE!

I hate how the show in general, and this episode in particular, acts like the only impact of traumatic events worth acknowledging is how they affect your love life. Like how in Kwamis' Choice pt. 1 we had Marinette drowning in depression over the Monarch situation and the moment she mentions Adrien *as part of a larger crisis* the narrative and characters start acting like the only issue is her relationship with Adrien, to the point where as soon as she stops being Ladybug she's magically healed from her PTSD because she can get the boy now! Ugh. In this episode we learn that Marinette was bullied cruelly and relentlessly, her problems overlooked by the teachers and principal, and publicly humiliated by her crush at the time, and all of this happened at the end of the previous school year, so like 3-4 months before S1 starts? I'd expect Marinette (and her girl friends!) to hate Kim, to always go to the bathroom/toilet room with a friend in case Chloe set something nasty for her, and to distrust her teachers and try to take care of things herself without involving them because clearly they're of no use, but what happens? She says she'll prepare better for any future crush, and that's IT!? Fuck, this series isn't even a good brain rot

DERISION ALIAS INCOHERENT SHIT I already put it here: Thomas Astruc: Marinette's obsessive behavior towards Adrien is a PERSONALITY TRAIT IN ITS OWN, just like her kindness, her generosity, her creativity, etc. also thomas astruc: marinette's obsessive behavior towards adrien is the result of a TRAUMA caused by Chloe BEFORE the beginning of the plot which also involves Kim and the swimming pools!!!! good where to start? Already Marinette went to the swimming pool THREE TIMES before DERISION once with her friends in gorizilla, once with black cat in gang of secrets, once with kagami in Mr pigeon 72 where they found guess who? Adrian! and when I think of this last case I feel like blood! marinette was at her WORST in this episode where it was clearly established that she projected her ENVI to be with adrien onto kagami humiliating herself, kagami and adrien without any shame or complex, she even argued with adrien in the pool but hey I guess she was so busy admiring it that she forgot to remember her TRAUMA! in simpleman alias the most meta episode of the series marinette herself declared that the reason why she complicated everything with adrien is that she was afraid that he would reject her which is a perfectly rational way of thinking! Why is this trauma only valid with Adrien? She managed to date luka without any problems! And cat noir ? and cat blanc we talk about? When you look at the interactions between Marinette and Chloe or between Marinette and Kim from the first ENTIRE four seasons, does it sound like interactions you would have with people who traumatized you???? yes origins has established that Chloe has bullied marinette in the past but within EVEN canon it has never been portrayed as having been so violent. in fact this past bully/victim relationship between them had NEVER been developed more than that, nothing, NADA, It was at most a forgettable detail. They have always been represented as rivals, even with an obvious antipathy between the two Marinette has never shown particular discomfort or resentment towards Chloé, and never has Chloé been shown an absolute desire to make her daily life a hell like what was returned to us on the screen in derision especially since she had the opportunity in the series several times but never did NOTHING! Let's be serious for a minute! NEVER a drop of clue was thrown into the story about this!!! why? It was not planned! it just happened!!! It comes out of NOWHERE!!! AT NO TIME was Marinette's stalking behavior presented INSIDE the story as an issue, either something funny or endearing to certain characters STRONGLY STATING that it proved she was MADE TO BE WITH ADRIEN !???? Example: kagami in Mr pigeon 72 which is also first in the list of too many episodes which make derision incoherent in addition to dislocoeur, white cat, animaestro, and so on and the best! The writers have spent the last 2 seasons making Marinette more and more pathetic with depression and panic attacks and now they're getting THAT TRAUMA out of their ass! I'm just backbiting at this point, there's no way I'm feeling bad for Marinette! It's just that bad! If you want to talk trauma broach the subject in a decent way, this storyline (and season 5 in general) just screams "have mercy on marinette, hate Chloe and above all ship the love square" I'm sorry, I don't come in not on this train, it's bogus! It's forced to death! Oh and also I forgot to mention ADRIEN. This boy has serious emotional issues and he needs to see an emergency psychologist and all the writers on that damned show who thinks he's trying to kill someone because he played a bad prank on your girlfriend there. has a pass and it's even scarier with its background (new york, scarabella, butterfly, dark owl)

The episode wasn’t "bad" but I don’t think this episode should’ve been in SEASON 5. I don’t like that the writers are finally moving the plot along after seasons of uselessness. This episode of Marinette’s backstory should’ve been way earlier and properly fleshed out.

Marinette has the craziest amount of plot armor.

Soquiline is the best girl, is all I can say. But honestly, Kim looks worse to me in this scenario than Chloe - she is a spoiled rich girl with severe family issues and no adult around who'd both set boundaries but also be there for her; and Kim seems to just do it for the "fun" of it. Also, why would Marinette EVER give a love advice to him in Dark Cupid after that little "prank", especially since we were shown just how much it still affects her? And another thing: many teenagers can be stalker-ish when it comes to their crushes! Marinette didn't have to have a sympathetic reason for it - she is a messy teen, and in teenhood we often do things we come to see as wrong later in life.

I've been loving this season for a bit, but these past two episodes have been such a letdown, especially this one. Migration was contrived as hell and wasted the cool idea of Luka knowing Ladybug and Chat Noir's identities. Like you said in that review, if Hawk Moth could sense Luka's distress and figure out the reason for it so quickly, then he'd known Marinette is Ladybug seasons ago. Derision, meanwhile, is such a mess. I appreciate them trying to give a reasoning for Marinette's stalker behavior, but it didn't work for me. The dialogue when she was crying in the bathroom was so forced and unnatural. Like, nobody talks like that. The author's hand was fully visible then. And also Socqueline really just listened to Marinette state that she will employ the most toxic and unhealthy coping mechanism to deal with her trauma, and just decided to not try to not even bother dissuading her from becoming a creepy stalker. This episode also just put such a shit stain on Ms. Mendeleiev, Principal Damocles and especially Kim, whose apology was so empty and forced at the end. Felt like a kid half-heatedly apologizing for breaking a vase after his parents made him do so. The entire episode just felt like one of those super angsty fanfics that go so overboard with torturing the main character that it makes everyone uncharacteristically mean to them for no reason. And Chloé... I can't even look at her anymore. Cuz, like, she's the PERFECT example of Flanderization. Season 1 Chloé wasn't that and Season 2 showed she could've been more than just a stereotypical bully. But now with every episode, her writing becomes worse and worse. It's especially jarring when it happens in an otherwise good episode, where everyone else is written well, and then Chloé busts in the scene and the scrip drops on the floor. Just leave her alone already! Stop giving her screentime! Give it to Lila, she's so starved for it, especially for how important she's supposed to be.

"She doesn't have a lock on that thing" Funny thing, no one has a lock. It's either the writers forgot they need locks, or Damocles is using all the school's money for his Owl obsession and isn't getting anyone proper security.

I really didn’t like this episode. It’s another attempt to try to convince us that Chloe is bad when they know that they ruined her character, the entire back story feeling likes after though, and while Marinetts reasoning for her obsession makes some thing make scenes like the schedule, it still doesn’t excuse plenty of the horrible stuff she’s done. This was a good concept that was handled very poorly. And I whould of been fine with the ep if they didn’t ruin Chloe’s character. The backstory could happen still and after Adrian confronts her about it, she takes the initiative to apologize to her, completing her character ark. But I guess we can’t have nice things

I love how you notice the random details like the cereal and milk, makes me enjoy your reviews even more 😂

"Hes also dancing merrily down the street making people crash their cars and fall on their ass" 💀💀💀

Alright, who's the wet noodle who let Thomas back in the writers room? Seriously, while I wouldn't call this season good, it was improving in many areas. This, however, is some straight up season one bullsh*t. Chat Noir is a useless doof? Check Mary Sue style apologist writing for mariette? Check "ChloE iS IrreDeeMAble"? Check It's painful how obvious it is when they let Thomas have complete control of an episode. They are always the worst ones. Though I will say this, I liked mariette's flashback design. She looked like an actual teenager with her hair up like that. I wish they had changed her top too though, so it would have matched better with the blue pants.

I know this isn't the focus but Rose's hair is so cute ☺️

This episode should’ve been an episode back in the first season or so, not way later on in the show. Also it’s very infuriating how retarded these adults are in this show. This episode also tries to justify Marinette’s stalking like it’s a positive thing

This was a polarizing episode, and for good reason: The sheer amount of retcons loaded into this mess just to have more anti-Chloe propaganda ended up making everyone look like shit. Now we have to contend with why Sabrina should get a miraculous at all when Socqueline has apparently been around the whole time?? And the optics of making Adrien so trigger happy with the Cataclysm when he was so busted up about Monarch getting it directly is more than a little wonk and very 'what the hell' hero territory. Gotta say though, it's hard to say who is coming off worse this season: Chloe or every adult in the damn school

Chloe has stopped becoming a character. Now she's just a plot device.

And actually I've got to confess, It's actually the 3rd time Adrian told Chloe off, Telling her he'll never be her friend nor gonna put up with all her doings, I'm just confused.. Didn't he stopped the friendship in the "queen banana" episode already?..

Marinette's stalking is actually quite plausible as a coping mechanism. It helps her feel safe enough to approach the idea of romance with someone who she knows used to be close friends with her bully, but also, like many coping mechanisms, it isn't healthy for her in the long run.

I can't believe that they would make Chloe the reason Marinette stalks💀like they are trying to justify it or something

Lol I love how the writers are still trying to gaslight the audience into thinking all the events of this 5 SEASON show happened in a year....

The excuse of "oh hawkmoth knows I know their identity, I have to leave" is such a copout to get rid of Luka cause they don't know what to do with him. Allya knows but nooo she is ladybug's secret confidant, we can't get rid of her! Dude he could have been there to help Adrien like Allya does with Marinette but nah!

I like that the creators of the show noticed this very big problem with Marinette's character as came up with a way to explain why she does the things she does (stalking Adrien) and I have thought before 'what in the hall could have possibly happened to make her this obsessive? Did something happen with a previous partner or another loved one?' And now they've finally explained in a pretty good way, it's good enough I'll accept it and be happy with this explanation

This was so bizarre, I was waiting for the revelation that it was all a dream sequence or hallucination, made up story, alternate timeline, anything. I am absolutely flabbergasted thst this is supposed to be canon, it makes no sense! I'm glad I grew bored of the show before this point.

Marinette is also wearing her current hairstyle to honor Cycline

boy the writers really want to make chloe irredeemable its just sad - its complete character assassination and telling like at this point if hawk moth was around back then she definitely would've been akumatized and killed her, i see no way it wouldn't and even then why do they all act like seasons before she wasn't that bad, she's a memetic monster in this arc - can't even feel bad for her doormat friend who goes along with it, its all so poorly written you can tell this show needs a desperate rewrite of the entire plot to get it on track on characters, history, lore, and arcs they wanted cause this wasn't it also poorly explaining her over attitude to Adrien which cheapens it, quirky to trauma victim doesn't really work here cause its too explicit in how she words it (rather than an already clever girl she's just trauma'd to be better than anything)

Can they just stop teasing Marinette being akumatized and just follow through already?

Honestly this explanation is too little too late imo. It was very clear this was randomly thrown in there, if they wanted to explain her stalker tendencies it should have been sooner not 5 seasons later. Like who would stay friends or keep on good terms with a guy who humiliated you like that? The writers were so focused on keeping this show a float by stretching it out at long as possible that nothing happened that they have to throw in so much random plot now because the fans are fed up.

this episode feels so delusional

I mean I appreciate how they tried to explain her behavior, but I do think that the degree of that traumatic experience doesn't make sense for how Marinette acts. If she was just very anxious and always second guessed herself and planned things a bit too much then sure, this episode gives a very reasonable explanation for that. But this doesn't explain her stalker tendencies. I feel like it would've been a better explanation, if we saw her try to confess to and maybe even date more than one dude. Also, have them be guys that the episode establishes are very good friends of hers, people that are all around just really good dudes who then go and do shit like what Kim did to her. That way, it'd make more sense for her to be as stalkerish as she is. It's not right yeah, but I wouldn't really blame a teenage girl for becoming a stalker after her trust had been broken soo many times by people who up until that point, were good people.

No amount of trauma can justify stalking. This seems more like Thomas giving marionette an excuse after five seasons of people calling her a stalker.

can't believe they made kim's brain even smoother than gabriel's. kim's got a sphere for a brain

Sad that kim still doesnt have a character centric episode. Not even in his own king monkey episode!

Marinette is being akumatized more refequently now, but also finding a way to reject it from Ladybug, Elation, & Derision! I know this might not matter, but I see it as foreshadowing that there will be no one to save her when she DOES FULLY accept the akumatization and transform. I doubt she’ll be akumatized this season but hey, It’s a possibility.

I’m still confused how Marinette would’ve ended up becoming the laughing stock if that video of her was posted. Like clearly people online would see it and be like “thats fucked up as shit” and then start harassing Kim over it

Hate me if you want but I'll never stop saying that Marinette is not a stalker. Having his pictures doesn't mean she took them by following him because he's literally the most famous model in Paris and his pictures are everywhere, and things like his favorite color or food can have easily found them online or through Alya/Nino or she just asked Adrien after they became friends, same for his schedule (I want to say I have my friends schedule and I know their favorite things but I didn't stalked them, they tolm me) By saying this I'm not saying that I justify things like that time she went into Adrien's room as ladybug to give him a present and took the opportunity to smell his pillow, that was weird

The reason Monarch wasn't instantly killed by Cataclysm might have been because of all the Miraculouses he was wearing. We don't know if Akumatized villains have the same resistance.

Stalking is still stalking. It's still concerning and worrisome. Just because something happened in someone's past, that doesn't mean they should get the free pass card for their actions. The fact people are now like "oh, Mari did it as a way to cope with being humiliated? It's totally fine/relatable!" is actually very concerning. Many coping mechanisms aren't healthy, but people should be able to see this, admit to it, and strive to pull away of their own accord. What does Mari do in this episode? She blames it all on Chloe, which is basically her using Chloe as an excuse to justify her actions. And let's be real, if she and Adrien weren't a thing, she would still be stalking him. So I personally was not a fan of how the writing in this episode was done.

This, is a terrible episode. and nothing can change my mind kim is a horrible person, and going by miraculous world logic hat makes him irredemae period The flashback was a horrible retcon, it makes no sence in the current storyline. adrien leaving chloe makes no sence. chloe already dumped adrien. and finaly...oh chloe, why are the writers so against you? why are they bullying a child. chloe is one of those charecters who nees teh cliche disney villan redemton arc. and they are choosing to smash her into the ground until she is nothing

I’m surprised that Monarch akumatized Kim but not Adrien Sure, Kim was annoyed but that was it Adrien was legit *furious*, clenching his fists and glaring at Kim so much so that he pummeled him into the ground and was willing to straight up slowly torture him with his Cataclysm once he became Chat Noir Then again, Gabe’s a total hypocrite that doesn’t akumatize his son despite all the other horrible stuff he does to him so I’m guessing he did felt Adrien’s anger but decided to go with the next best thing which was Kim There goes my Chat Blanc variant… 😒

I miss the days when Chloe was presented like she was going for a redemption ark later on. Now they just stick with mean and prissy Chloe and it really sucks. I honestly kinda liked her before.

This episode really sucks. It's such an obvious, lame, and lazy attempt for the writers to justify Marinette's really creepy stalking and obsession with Adrien, and to justify not giving Chloe a redemption arc. This episode doesn't even make sense and doesn't fit in with the plot. In the beginning, the only bullying we saw Chloe do was just name calling, and Marinette handled it pretty well and stood up to her eventually, now suddenly the bullying was actually worse and Marinette has panic attacks because of it? It just doesn't make any sense.

The explaination for Marinette's stalking in this ep makes no real sense❗ Did anyone have the feeling she stalked because of past trauma with Kim?🤔 There were no hints earlier for that. She stalked Adrien because she was obsessed with him. She litteraly said that in season 1.

"This is why Alya is such a beast. She always stands up for her." [Enter Lila] Alya: What is wrong with you Marinette? Can't you see that Lila is so obviously exhausted from achieving World Peace and being Ladybug's BFF?

This episode was a little triggering for me because I've been bullied and my bully loved making my life miserable to the point I was happy to leave my middle school and learned later that Karma got her good in the end. And its sad to see that Marinette was confident in asking someone out to a date and have a go with the flow attitude at first. Only to be broken by Chloe and Kim for an extremely cruel prank that could've seriously hurt Marinette from the way she fell from the diving bord. Also, I love how ready Adrien was to cataclysm Kim boyfriend material right there. And if I was Adrien at the end of the episode I would've poured that glass of orange juice on Chloe's head to show how done I am with the friendship especially when you look at his facial expression he was beyond pissed and probably wanted to do and say more.

Was having a crappy morning, already 3 of your jokes in and I’m feeling better. Your channel is snarky therapy. Thx.

To me, this is the episode that "confirms" that they're soft rebooting the show and seasons 1, 2, and debatably 3 might as well no longer be canon save for key events like Marinette meeting Master Fu, introducing Luka and Kagami, Alya, Nino and Chloe getting a miraculous, and Chloe betraying Ladybug.

By the way, the cataclysm doesn't not kill people. Gabriel survived because he was transformed, but Kim didn't have a miraculous. He for should would crumble to dust.

I feel like we should have had more episodes like this in earlier seasons where we see chole actually being truly awful. Especially since Thomas says she's irredeemable. It would have set up her character the way Thomas wants us to see her much better.

The inteir episode feels like Astruc talking to his critics who dont like Stalkernette similar to how Adrien fell in love with her during the infamous wax statue scene and attack Chloe fans with her past that contradicts the episode with Marinettes past excuse

This episode manage to make me hate Kim, Sabrina and the adults of the series. (But especially Kim, like they killed Kim character, and he knows that Chloe is a terrible person after humillating him in dark cupid). Also even though this episode explain the stalking of Marinette, it doesn't justify that Marinette never learns that what she does is wrong, she got what she wants without needing to grow as a person. Also side note, Monarch just has access to the biggest emotion, and even though he can communicate via telepathy he can't read minds, all the times Marinette almost be akumatized her main concern is not the miraculous but the emotional problem she is facing, while Luka cares more about the wellbeing of others than him, so the identities problem would be his biggest concern

This episode also doesn't age well when you see Darkblade again. While the moment of Marinette dreading the thought of Chloe being mayor does hold a tiny bit of weight for the future as we know, but I'm lost again because it's also the same ep where Kim admits he was blackmailed to vote for Chloe or be told he's scared of spiders!? Ok that is a major plothole.

it irritates me too much that even the writers keep trying to make us hate Chloe when more than hate I feel pity, pity in how he treats her like an irredeemable demon that can't be justified by her past, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO MARINETTE WE CAN JUSTIFY HER BAD ACTIONS WITH ADRIAN FOR SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED IN HER PAST THAT CAME OUT OF NOTHING, geniuses.

Despite directly referencing Dark Cupid, this episode kind of makes it seem like DC never happened? Like what happened to Marinette in the flashback is essentially what happened to Kim in DC, so not only would you think that SOMEBODY would point out the similarities, but you'd also think after that Kim would be a little more sympathetic, since he got straight up AKUMATIZED over the EXACT SAME THING before. I cannot suspend my disbelief far enough to accept that ANYBODY can be THAT FUCKING DENSE. Including the Dark Cupid reference that is Dark Humor(horrible name btw) is basically a big flashing sign saying "HEY!!!! REMEMBER THIS EPISODE? YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT THIS EPISODE YOU LIKED IT A WHOLE LOT WE HEARD" when thinking about Dark Cupid for even a SECOND makes rhe entirety of Derision fall apart. Tbh I think the only reason they wrote this episode was to justify Marinette's stalking(which it doesn't) and to make Chloe seem even worse, then realized half way through writing it that they needed an Akuma to show up and justify the episode existing, so they just made a half-assed rehash of Dark Cupid without thinking the implications of that through in the slightest. Also no Im not salty because Kim and Chloe were two of my favorite characters before the writers started ruinign everything fuck you-/j

I was pretty glad that they brought this out in Kim, its actually a nod to his character way back in I think the first season, right down to the villain design. He's a complete douche, but at least its accurate to his character.

I’m kind of giving up on this show…but imma watch your reviews for the episodes until I get interested fully again.

in other words, if you stalk people to deal with your problems that's ok, but if you bully people to deal with your problems your irredeemable. unless your an adult causing stress disorders across the entire city you need a hug and nothing else.

Ok imma give my opinions about derision (and also migration): So I don’t like this episode, it’s really inconsitent with the rest of the series and I’m also confused what exacly Marinette has trauma to is it the bugs in her locker or the pool because at the start she gets this flashback with locker but then it triggers when she’s about to get into pool… This whole Marinette backstory feels forced to me: 1st. Chloé was never bully to this extrame as far as we know (this flashback sequence felt like something new Lila could do but not Chloé) 2nd. Shouldn’t Marinette feel hatred torwards Kim? In the show he’s in Adrien’s friend group and Marinette seems pretty chill with him 3rd. If Marinette is so scared of the pool why didn’t she got a panic attack during the episode „Siren” when she fought underwater the whole time, why was she about to hang out with her friends at the pool during „Gorizilla”, if her trauma at the extrame of paralizing her, shouldn’t she like not be cool with this things? 4th. The really made Kim look like the dumbest peron in the universe and he was always meant to be a jock so I never expected him to be super smart but really? I always kinda headcanoned that his social skills Might be poor cause his with Max most of the time (their like best buddies) or compiting with Alix in sports but…to think that someone would laugh cause of that type of prank? 5th. I get that Kim has or have had a crush on Chloé (in season one he literally coffesed to her) but I don’t think he would stoop that low, in the first season he was around Chloé sometimes but it never seemed like he was an active bully 6th. The whole „I’m traumatized so I’ll become a stalker this way it’ll never happen again” feels like a very lame excuse to justify Marinette’s actions, I get that she wants to make sure that Adrien isn’t a bully but she should know at this point and STALKING IS STILL STALKING you can’t just be an underaged criminal and putting your parents at the risk of going to jail for your actions because you got bullied, at this point Astruc and other writers are just activly trying to cover how much they messed up to show a „crush” in their series (the same way I feel about Adrien falling in love with Marinette because of the famous statue scene, like are you for real trying to tell me that Adrien who hates obbsesive fans fell in love with one?!) I can accept the inconsistency in season one because at this point most of the shows don’t even know if they’ll be canceled or not I give this episode a 4/10 Okay now „Migration” I pretty like this episode mainly because I’MALUKASIMPFIGHTME but I didn’t like some stuff: 1st. Animtion (I know it’s not the plot but I can do what I want) when Luka smiled with open mouth…he looked ugly, and Bob’s eyes looked so lifeless and they all looked flat 2nd. Luka I love you but…why didn’t you told Adrien you knew, you literally had a Lukadrien moment when he was in your room alone and Adrien was talking so why didn’t you tell him? 3rd. The ending. I HATE the ending. The ending was stupid. I think it would have been more interesting to see Luka acually accepting the offer and work for Bob to watch his inner conflict of how much Luka wants to punch Bob (at least I think he thinks that) but constantly remainding himself to stay calm and not become a target of Gabriel, and this would fit the whole randomly giving characters original songs this season likes to do. I felt like this episode ended too fast like there was unfinished story, that’s why I want Luka to stay and work for Bob give us at least one more episode of this conflict, and XY could be akumitized, he Bob’s son, has existed since season one, there was a hint in „Silencer” that Bob thinks he’s useless and he hasn’t been akumatized yet so (I know his not relevent but 90% of the cast isn’t) Migration is a 8.5/10 for me I probably made some mistakes within writing so, please excuse them I’m dyslexic and not a native english speaker 😅

Im so glad they toned down her terrified screams from the leaks. I got freaking trauma flashbacks from them

I read the scripts when they were leaked. This season is one major disappointment lol. Dropped this show who knows if S6 will be decent, now that Astruc is not on the writing team at all. Idk. Not excited

I do not know if I am wrong, but this episode proves that Adrien does not deserve the cat miraculous. He is too emotionally unstable, and he has the power to destroy anything. Think about it. In the darker owl episode when the principal made Marinette and Adrien believe they defeated Monarch and got to live a loving/ normal life with each other, Adrien snapped out of the illusion. He tried to kill the darker owl knowing that Monarch was manipulating him. In this episode, he tried to cause major damage to Kim. Yes, this was not Kim's finest moment, but if he can put up with Chole before snapping, this story should not bother him. He hears one bad story about Kim and wants to cataclysm him. It is not just Marinette with issues. It is Adrien. Hopefully, in the movie, they will not make him emotionally unstable. Those are my thoughts.

"...in front of what's-her-name".😂 Not that you care, but her name's Ondine.

The fact that Chloe ever came close to getting redeemed in season 3 is actually quite fucked up now that we've seen that she used to be an even worse person in addition to the fact that, as mylene pointed out, having an absent mother figure isn't a valid excuse to be cruel to others.

I think the reason why Monarch couldn't discover ladybug's identity was because she wasn't thinking about it too much. Luka however, was strongly resisting and panicked not to reveal the secret. I also liked that we got the backstory of Marinette and how she became what she is. As for Chloe, yes she's the worst, but I can also really blame her father for not standing up to her. I mean, seriously, I have no idea how he even became the mayor if he's so corrupt.

So they're assassinating Chloe and Kim's character? Like why ruin Kim this late?

Man, Cat Noir, i think He's actually far more competent then Ladybug. I think He's mostly just letting Her take the spot light at this point. Think about it- When he gets angry or actually invested in stopping the bad guys, His combat prowess goes way up. Dar k Owl, Dark Humor, both pissed him off considerably and He decimated them. Also almost killed them too, but you know. When He decided to clean up his act and became Cat Walker for a while, He proved just as capable as ladybug at planning and taking down the villain. He manhandled Ladybug when she was stuck in Angry mode and casually wrapped her up till he could solve the issue. As well, while Ladybug was the first of the pair to take down multiple villians by her self, Cat Noir has engaged multiple Villians gangs alone just to buy Ladybug time on quite a few occasions. Finally, He nuked Paris and blew up a moon, while killing Hawk Moth when He was akumatized. so Dude's crazy powerful. I wonder if Season 6 and beyond will allow him more focus. I understand that Thomas isn'twriting for the show any more after that, but they're certainly setting up Lila as the next major villain.

This Chloe arc is tooooo long 😢. I wonder when justice will be served. Very good review