SmashConceptions: 3 Ways to Win Neutral in Ultimate

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Vermanubis

Vermanubis

5 жыл бұрын

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New game, new neutral. Ever since Smash 64, Smash has been a game about spacing along the horizontal plane, but with the global hitbox nerfs in Ultimate and the blitzkrieg speed at which it's played, many of us are struggling to find confidence in our neutral games for fear of trading or being low- or high-profiled.
To me, it seems much of this struggle comes from trying to fit a square peg into a round hole; that is, trying to force the old methods of neutral into a system that demands more out of neutral than just poking with big, intangible bubbles around our feet.
I personally break Smash neutral down into three categories. All of which have been present to some degree in every game, but rarely have they actually been necessary, especially at top levels of play where unga bunga hitboxes thrust horizontal spacing to the top as the dominant tool in neutral.
I think to succeed in Ultimate, we'll have to learn all three of these categories to some degree.

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@Vermanubis
@Vermanubis 5 жыл бұрын
Song: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hayEabKpmb3NqZc.html Chronopolis from the Chrono Cross OST by Yasunori Mitsuda. Unspeakable beautiful game with equally unspeakably beautiful music. Please give the entire OST a listen!
@JIMJACK_YE_YE
@JIMJACK_YE_YE 5 жыл бұрын
your videos are amazing and well thought out and you have a great taste in games. nice.
@andrewulrich5570
@andrewulrich5570 5 жыл бұрын
Watching the fishing pole spam on the ledge hurt me
@zeng58
@zeng58 4 жыл бұрын
Andrew Ulrich hes zoning doing that to scare the opponent creating a huge space Ganondorf can’t close in the only way is be patient watch the timing
@machineaphex
@machineaphex 4 жыл бұрын
As someone who mains Isabelle... The fishing pole ain't that easy to use and it's usually the biggest cause of my deaths. It's too slow, imprecise and leaves you open to basically any punish option the opponent has. That being said, yeah, it must suck going against it.
@MegamiShin
@MegamiShin 5 жыл бұрын
The times for each of the three Neutral Ways: The Jab (Horizontal Spacing) 1:51 Bridging (Stuffing Angles) 3:12 Overhand (*Possibly Most Important One According to the Author* Going Around Them) 4:47
@PrettyPieHead
@PrettyPieHead 5 жыл бұрын
Great analysis, but ugh... hurts to watch that matchup. Ganondorf's worst enemy since Twilight Princess is still fishing rod.
@neonknight5857
@neonknight5857 5 жыл бұрын
Someone analogizing video games to martial arts. I feel less alone in the world. btw good shit subbed asf
@thefranChise1
@thefranChise1 5 жыл бұрын
OHCRAP literally killed a part of my soul
@KhakiPance
@KhakiPance 5 жыл бұрын
literally?
@Gaegel
@Gaegel 5 жыл бұрын
I think its very inspiring that you try to evolve this theory crafting as you play someone like Ganon yourself. You wont find a Pichu or Inkling trying to figure stuff like this out, cause they just have these options. But people like you really guide the meta. Thanks for that!
@1Diddums
@1Diddums 5 жыл бұрын
Ah, it's you. Enjoyed your set vs the Isabelle. Very reminiscent of 'Gief vs Dhalsim. Both players are generally shook about the matchup. But they know how quick they dominate once they have control. The intense part, is trying to maintain that control. I'm sure the Isabelle was equally scared of you, despite what the pace may have looked like to the less informed player.
@DarkThomy
@DarkThomy 5 жыл бұрын
The analogy with real life martial arts is quite cool !
@jonnyboy31120
@jonnyboy31120 5 жыл бұрын
This video was a real game changer for me. I was getting really discouraged. Constantly losing and feeling like I wasn't learning. Now I feel like I'm finally starting to understand how to play, and more importantly, how to think about my play. I appreciate your gift for teaching. Keep it up.
@keatongraves271
@keatongraves271 5 жыл бұрын
I subbed. You do a fantastic job at explaining Smash at the fundamental level. I’ve been playing since Smash 64, but only ever casually with little need to get better among my friends. Now that I’m playing seriously in Ultimate and getting properly thrashed, videos like this one help us all on the long journey to greatness.
@HystericalHuntress
@HystericalHuntress 3 жыл бұрын
Watching Isabelle spam FAir/BAir and Fishing Rod for that entire set is the only time in my life I think I've wanted to take a dog by the head and drown the life out of it in the toilet. Playing against Isabelle/Villager with a slow/big character is such a test of patience.
@simonanderson4858
@simonanderson4858 3 жыл бұрын
This is so helpful, thank you. Did you ever make the video about character fit?
@YoshiKirishima
@YoshiKirishima 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing patience vs Isabelle in those clips haha Also great video! I also noticed right on day 1, that neutral felt a lot deeper and better with a lot of moves hitting low, middle, or high, and not all 3, that plus jumping lifting you into the air much faster makes it feel so much more fun than spamming your 1 spacing move.
@Vermanubis
@Vermanubis 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you, man! And I agree about the new jump mechanics; it's so much fun to just slam people's shields with aerials now since 3f jumpsquat means we can't be shieldgrabbed anymore!
@Exmantika
@Exmantika 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Verm, these videos are really useful.
@AllyMind5Star
@AllyMind5Star 5 жыл бұрын
Watching your gameplay again, I felt an increasing sense of capability I have yet to achieve in neutral. Thank you for this type of video. It it exactly what I was looking for. I feel lucky.
@bubrub23
@bubrub23 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. I watched you play a couple matches on KZfaq but I never knew you had an account. Definitely subbing!
@pendalink
@pendalink 5 жыл бұрын
Dude, this was awesome
@HaydenTheEeeeeeeeevilEukaryote
@HaydenTheEeeeeeeeevilEukaryote 5 жыл бұрын
Hold on hold on hold on not all hold on not all of us thought it was a port! A lot of our faces are eggless! I mean like I considered it at first but after the first direct, I knew it was a new game. So yeah!.....no egg
@agwblack
@agwblack 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, great video. Subbed!
@SharntGroSabo
@SharntGroSabo 5 жыл бұрын
Nice work; thanks for the videos.
@mrelegant2677
@mrelegant2677 5 жыл бұрын
I think you're the first that I've heard who compares Boxing/FightingSports with SmashBros very cool :D Btw in boxing, the jab is a rangefinder, an attack to keep the distance, to distract your opponent or to set up strikes and counter. Most of the time, I use my jab to see how my opponent react to it so I can set up my right hand and counters. So I would say that all YoungLink Specials (Boomerang, bombs, bow) are a Jab. You can set up combos, counters (if someone jump to dodge your "jab" just nair/uair/fair/bair him) or to keep distance.
@kirbyofthestars2269
@kirbyofthestars2269 5 жыл бұрын
I'm looking forward to the video about why characters don't "click." I have played since the 64 days and I was super hyped for inkling as a fan of Splatoon, but something about her just doesn't click with me in the slightest.
@VideoGameManiac8
@VideoGameManiac8 5 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@sydeeffect2
@sydeeffect2 5 жыл бұрын
Vermanubis is gonna be THE Smash Ultimate KZfaqr!! He’s doing so incredibly well, even when his first Smashconceptions video dropped!!
@Vermanubis
@Vermanubis 5 жыл бұрын
That's very kind of you to say, sir =) I hope my vids catch on, but if they don't, that's okay too!
@Skiblit
@Skiblit 5 жыл бұрын
Hi, Verm. I LOVED these martial art analogies in this video and seriously helped me understand this stuff. Is there any chance you could help me with any other smash concepts by relating them to martial arts? Totally understand if I'm asking a lot or too much, but I figured I would at least ask. Thanks!
@edgarguzman8888
@edgarguzman8888 5 жыл бұрын
Love the boxing reference
@timetotango9453
@timetotango9453 5 жыл бұрын
"Landing lag no longer exists" Meanwhile, hundreds of Bayo mains gets punished for having landed onto the ground
@matthewmorrison3745
@matthewmorrison3745 5 жыл бұрын
I mean she was overloaded in sm4sh, the same way Joker is in this game but atleast his hitboxes aren't hilariously as huge as her's we're pre patch.
@2ndai385
@2ndai385 5 жыл бұрын
Nice vid 👏👏👏
@hugohugohugohugo4800
@hugohugohugohugo4800 5 жыл бұрын
You dont happen to know a certain Saint Riot here on youtube? Your content is super similar and it just kinda gave me a deja vu, really good quality. Please keep making these, i absolutely love the atmosphere!
@DukeButtwater
@DukeButtwater 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I definitely get the same vibe. Very high quality, but low quality at the same time; substance over style. Good stuff.
@HelixxKing
@HelixxKing 5 жыл бұрын
The part where you talk about inklings "overhead" struck a cord with me. It was annoying at first but I play ivysaur and react with vinewhip accordingly. Great stuff though, got a new sub here
@MrOfstring
@MrOfstring 5 жыл бұрын
As a smash player and boxer I really liked your way of explaining the jab. Do you train boxing too ? You seem very knowledgeable
@solarupdraft
@solarupdraft 4 жыл бұрын
This is great.
@RonnRetrobro
@RonnRetrobro 5 жыл бұрын
awesome video! Do you think you can make another explaining possible ways to train and improve spacing in neutral?
@Vermanubis
@Vermanubis 5 жыл бұрын
I'd love to, but it would be very involved mostly because the spacing aspect of neutral involves a lot of different considerations that I'd have to very carefully consider so as not to mislead anyone.
@Kaffei4Lunch
@Kaffei4Lunch 5 жыл бұрын
i love this
@KindOldRaven
@KindOldRaven 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant OHCRAP acronym. lmao!
@javiercisnerosmoronta4692
@javiercisnerosmoronta4692 5 жыл бұрын
OHCRAP!!!! hell of a way to start my day! jajajajaja
@jmanup1985
@jmanup1985 5 жыл бұрын
Great video man. Chronopolis is a good track too. Dead Sea next please?
@Vermanubis
@Vermanubis 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Jman. Also I'm HYPED you recognized the song, dude! I was actually gonna pick Dead Sea, and probably will in my next vid
@robertoveroyguitar
@robertoveroyguitar 5 жыл бұрын
Chrono Cross song? Ok, take your thumbsup!
@BlenderKitchen
@BlenderKitchen 5 жыл бұрын
I just started playing smash ultimate as my first smash game since melee in high school where I mainly played among my own friends. After combing through YT vids go try to better understand smash conceptually, I have to say that your videos really spoke to me. Great stuff. The simple and abstract concepts you present probably would take me years to figure out on my own and honestly I’d probably give up before they dawned on me. Just what I needed to stop mindlessly grinding online and actually have the frame of reference to think about my game plans next time I play :)
@Vermanubis
@Vermanubis 5 жыл бұрын
I'm really happy to see that these vids are doing what I hoped they would for you, man. Cheers!
@kaim8115
@kaim8115 2 жыл бұрын
who else has Vermanubis in their blunt rotation?
@kakarotlovesgames6962
@kakarotlovesgames6962 5 жыл бұрын
It's true! Smash ultimate is the most fast and aggressive smash game I've ever played
@trashpanda3172
@trashpanda3172 5 жыл бұрын
That vocabulary is exquisite
@luissalasyt
@luissalasyt 5 жыл бұрын
ya I'm glad you're giving me minutes to improve on this shiet
@LuisGonzalez-go5gp
@LuisGonzalez-go5gp 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@TheGravemistake
@TheGravemistake 5 жыл бұрын
Ive been having so much trouble with neutral as an Ike coming from 4
@luischeco3009
@luischeco3009 5 жыл бұрын
Really? I feel like it is the same. Since people are scared of nair more, I find a lot more Jabs, and Tilts. Ike is still the most honest and conditioning fighter in the game I believe.
@mihretudessalegne6134
@mihretudessalegne6134 5 жыл бұрын
Really insightful video! I'll be keeping posted on your upcoming content!
@KyleHohn
@KyleHohn 5 жыл бұрын
You, izaw, and Jtails seem to be the best conceptual smash teachers on KZfaq. Any other good teachers anybody can recommend?
@CrimsonArzuros
@CrimsonArzuros 5 жыл бұрын
DKBill.
@lukewenceslao8269
@lukewenceslao8269 5 жыл бұрын
Hey when it comes to the "Horizontal Spacing" part, wouldn't that normally just be whiffing your moves? Or is there something that I'm missing?
@ImSidgr
@ImSidgr 5 жыл бұрын
You get it
@stevengonzales32711
@stevengonzales32711 5 жыл бұрын
Nice irl winpose
@quentinmccormack8367
@quentinmccormack8367 3 жыл бұрын
Commenting for the algorithm
@TheBestPikachuFan
@TheBestPikachuFan 5 жыл бұрын
Criminal you don't link the music. It added so much more to what you were saying for me.
@Vermanubis
@Vermanubis 5 жыл бұрын
You're absolutely right and I will add the link right away. The song is called "Chronopolis" from the Chrono Cross OST!
@mateusgoncalves1982
@mateusgoncalves1982 5 жыл бұрын
Can you make a Ganondorf guide for smash ultimate?
@AllyMind5Star
@AllyMind5Star 5 жыл бұрын
I would gladly like to know the song title and artist name. Please let me know.
@Vermanubis
@Vermanubis 5 жыл бұрын
And I would gladly give it to you, sir. The song title is "Chronopolis" and it's from the Chrono Cross soundtrack, composed by Yasunori Mitsuda.
@AllyMind5Star
@AllyMind5Star 5 жыл бұрын
@@Vermanubis Thanks, sir!
@MrNice089
@MrNice089 5 жыл бұрын
yeah but isnt jumping over your opponent really risky? if u get hit with an upair you can get juggled really hard
@curtisbrown547
@curtisbrown547 5 жыл бұрын
nope. neutral is thinner than a sheet of paper in this game. winning is just more than important because advantage is easier and easier to convert into a stock as the player base improves. (take that isabelle for example. instead of just staling her fishing rod she should have just whent out and bullied for having a trash recovery) unless your against a character with a Houdini "I get back to neutral for free" recovery of course because your special and don't have to suffer like us plebs. there are so many characters that can litteraly throw almost any old move out and be completely safe and even safe or frame positive on shield neutral has almost 0 depth since you can't get punished at all. once you know what your doing you can just throw out moves without thinking about it. (roy is a great example) their safe so lol why not?? also neutral is to fast to have real depth. neutral can be over in the blink of an eye to having any true depth is really out of the question
@stephensterling1874
@stephensterling1874 5 жыл бұрын
Yo what the heck 😂 it really sounded like you said "it's faster, and dumber because of it" in the beginning. I'm gonna listen to that again but I do not agree with that sentiment at all Edit: watched whole video and I see that, that's not what you were saying, but more or less exaggerating to make a point that the game was less safe and a lot faster which I agree it definitely is. Awesome video and I think you're clearly a very smart player 👌
@Slipdash
@Slipdash 5 жыл бұрын
This a pretty long video to tell you how to run up and nair your opponent
@rickydubs600
@rickydubs600 5 жыл бұрын
I hate how most characters in ultimate win neutral by losing neutral and then hitting the other person out of their combo
@zsDUGGZ
@zsDUGGZ 5 жыл бұрын
Oh wow I was using the 3rd method by accident since day 1. I didn't know that was a method of winning neutral, that's just how I played smash 4. I was wondering how I was destroying so many people with my Mii Brawler.
@slash101230
@slash101230 5 жыл бұрын
beyo has landig lag!! u get a dislike. JK great vid thoe
@aeroman911
@aeroman911 5 жыл бұрын
Pretty low effort.
@Vermanubis
@Vermanubis 5 жыл бұрын
WAS THAT DISLIKE YOU? You cheeky butt, you. Also u rite.
@theshagidelicgamers4232
@theshagidelicgamers4232 5 жыл бұрын
Not everyone is is an adobe premire genius
@agwblack
@agwblack 5 жыл бұрын
Wow, great video. Subbed!
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