Thank you, i appreciate that

Glad to hear it!

That's interesting, i'm glad i have a resource that's useful to you in a niche way. Have you tried gods like Kukulkan, Scylla, and Thoth? They aren't very spammy at all

@@Shenmoki Whoops, that's long on mobile: I tried those 3. Tested all 126. Current favs are Surtr, Hachiman, Serqet, Loki. Most interested in the Jungle role and dueling/self sufficiency. Long explanation: Yeah I've tried everyone now. Those are good options. Insofar as what I've liked the most out of all 126 is Loki, Serqet, Surtr, and Hachiman. I might try those three you mentioned again, but I was worried that they involved a lot of ability spam. Thoth might be a good option now that I remember it, he buffs his autos. Just not confident I could always do the dash well, and that would bother me. I hate learning something and then my body fails me and I know I "should" have hit something but I just didn't. I like Tyr but Surtr beat him out because of less comboing, Tyr is smooth but requires really fast switching to go between stances and so on. Hachiman is the only Hunter I really like. Cupid is a bit fun but I prefer Hachiman. I'm basically only mainly interested in Jungle as a role. But obviously I'll end up playing others. Probably Mid or Solo. I want to be self sufficient as much as possible during a match. And I want to duel someone rather than rely on setup or help from my team. Loki I really like but idk if I may have to avoid him due to higher APM. Serqet is super interesting. Her passive is antithetical to weaving autos and I like that she has stealth and her 3 isn't part of the main combo/ability chains. For the record I actually really enjoy fast paced kits, but physically it's not tenable for me. I loved playing Draven in League but would run into sessions where physically I couldn't keep up and stay on rhythm with his playstyle and would miss stuff I didn't think I should have. The longer the session went the worse it got. That's inevitable, but super intense kits like Susano fot instance are an any% speedrun to not being able to play well during that match/needing to stop. I messed around with Susano and I understand how his 1 combos work, but actually being able to do them every time I play without strain or other problems is just not realistic. So it's a bit of a struggle to find a balance. Thanks for the mage recommendations btw. I'll look back into those 3 a little bit.

​@@Shenmoki Ah just realized you said they aren't very spammy. I'll definitely try those three. Also on the Thoth dash comment I made - I think I may be overthinking how often he actually uses it.

Sorry for the essays. One more thing is yeah I said dueling, but my criteria for "can it duel?" is more like "can it blow someone up consistently?" assuming you play it well. I like all the gods I listed because they can delete someone or box, assuming you don't miss. With Hachiman specifically he is what I would consider to be the quintessential ranged kit: massive damage, safe, steroid/poke, range buff (super rare, maybe only Thoth also does that), with versatile mobility as well In short, by my playstyle, if I don't miss, you should be dead 99% of the time. If the kit can never do that or can't do it without help then I'm not interested.

@@zozihn8047 No problem i think this is interesting. I was thinking that hunters may be more down your route, especially the simpler ones like Apollo, Neith, and Rama who mostly just Basic attack and occasionally use abilities, and don't really have combos where they need to execute abilities back to back quickly. Bakasura also seems good since you basically just press 3, 4 and hold down the basic attack button lol.

yeah i'd say so, the extra things to know would be to go claw shard at the start of the game, then the best mage build now would be like sands of time, book of thoth, divine ruin, soul gem, soul reaver, obsidian shard.

yeah it's weird asf and takes a lot of practice. Just dont be afraid to just let it loose sometime with minimal aim, Overthinking is your worst enemy in a moba