love ur videos girl i haven’t even watched this yet but ik it’s a good take 🙏

you really can't even notice it!! im watching on my PC and only noticed after reading ur comment lolll

don't worry my vision is crap it looks great

truly couldn't notice! i also think the piercing looks really cool! :)

I love your critique!!!

truuuue i love this perspective didn’t think think ab this

this!! thats why it shouldnt have been deliberate or at least not deliberate from the start and more of a spiralling consequence and "well I've come this far, I might as well finish it"

@@shonaalannah Imagine emptying someone's bike tyre and thinking "there we go, and now to wait 15 years to inherit this guy's entire wealth."

That's exactly my perspective. This movie's story relies almost entirely on things that happen conviniently. What if Felix never drank from the poisoned bottle that Oliver gave him? What if Venetia never killed herself the next day? You're telling me Farleigh briefly stops suspecting Oliver's character after he gives him a hand job?? (which I'm still not sure was even all the way consenual), What exactly did Oliver do during that 15 year timespan?🤔 You're telling he just waited in the shadows that whole time for Sir James to die???😳 And then Elspeth was just so smitten by him, that after not seeing him for 15 years she's just signs over her fortune to him??? How????

The 15 year time jump is my biggest grievance with this movie. Why 15 years. I don’t believe Oliver would’ve waited that long, I don’t believe he would’ve left it up to chance that James would die first and possibly have Elsbeth forget him. There’s just no reason why it had to be such a long jump.

(If ur anything like me) high blood pressure ?

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Not really. I think it was the best part, and brought the whole thing together pretty well lol. Writing Oliver in a way that clearly makes him a psychopath but leaving some ambiguity to… quite how much of a psychopath he is ig… wouldn’t have been very effective. If anything I think it would leave the audience kinda confused, like, “so was he supposed to be a psychopath or were we supposed to have thought he was normal until they… drove him to psychopathy? But him lying from the start was obviously deranged… were we supposed to have found him deranged? Or were we supposed to have sympathised with him??’… which wouldn’t be good. It would have just seemed confusing and half-baked.

@@alexbennet4195it wouldn’t have been half baked. Especially because they showed us that he lied about his parents and siblings, him killing the mother and him dropping his innocent facade when meeting the sister outside. And it’s only very obvious he set up farleigh to be kicked out. By the end of the movie it was abundantly clear he was deranged and lying. It just kind of ruins it when we find out he orchestrated all that for what? The house?

This, 100% ! It would have been more impactful if Oliver's actions had been suggested rather than clearly shown. I felt like it made the whole movie look less deep and high quality than it could have been.

Literallyyy, i was like “okay so like 7/10 i think, but lets see the end” and then barry keoghan starts like cartoon villain twiddling his fingers while pacing the room explaining his whole plot, i was like what the heck guys. Cmon…

That ending was such cartoon villain buffoonery I HATED it

@tinker_belle41 I didn’t know that! While watching, it seemed like it started with infatuation with Felix that led to deliberate planning once Oliver realized what he could have.

@@mina_rose8965yea I can see people assuming his goal from the beginning was Saltburn but, for me personally, I've known people like Oliver and like Felix so it was very believable. People who get stuck in a lie because they want something and the lie helps them get it so the lie snowballs and makes them want more and more. People who are embarrassed of their wealthy parents obviously being out of touch with the average person yet they are carbon copies of their parents and act just like them but are slightly self-aware. And those types of people tend to attract each other.

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That would be a totally different film

just like the rich lol

i think there are a lot of small things that lead you through the film, i feel like its more of a voyeuristic film. the family exist and your kind of just watching them exist and oliver exist in their environment. its a lot of unspoken things tbh, its a film u should watch at least twice in my opinion

@@honeysana672 and i disagree.

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I feel like that’s the point. Remember the style over substance conversation when oliver and farleigh are being tutored? The movie is about Oliver’s losing his substance in the pursuit of style

that was my fav scene of the whole movie tbh

I would have liked this angle better, but the whole obsession angle is blown up when he the proceeds to murder/cause the death of the rest of the family. The whole thing would have been better without the whole psycho killer "plot twist"

This is how I feel as well. Almost all of the people I’ve talked to that disliked this film thought it was a class critique and so they feel like it’s hollow and the ending sucks. But if it’s viewed as a character study in which obsession and desire wins, it makes more sense.

just commented basically the same thing (but not as well articulated as you have) in a response to another comment. maybe (and thats just my personal opinion) queer people (myself included) are quicker to clock this idea of an obsessive love/lust cause we’ve seen a lot before

It’s about obsession but that’s literally about it, absolutely shitly done and didn’t go far enough with the theme. If that’s the only theme you’re gonna portray in a film, at least do it all the way

I wrote my comment before reading yours and I think you echoed my thinking but in a much more eloquent way 😂

I LOVE the talented Mr Ripley. Such a well written movie

That's a good comparison, Ripley stared off at the end, because it wasn't simple "I'm the psychopath villain and I find it easy to kill, mwahahahha"

totally agree, I only read the book and I liked it a lot! It had so much substance and emotion. His motivations were explored and had real meaning in comparison to Saltburn

I like the name Félix a lot, and that was about all I liked about it

we have the talented mr ripley at home

im neutral about the movie, theres things i love and things i dislike - and i completely agree with this, i think campiness is exactly what the film was missing and would have probably made me love it!

also a good way to give it a more distinct identity than "the talented mr ripley knockoff"

What if they had turned up the camp all the way up and just turned it into a musical? It does end in a big dance scene anyways!

​@@AllofTimeandSpacethat would be the cherry on top

@@greenthinggg It could even have had some songs modeled on early 2000s pop music to go with the time period it was set in!

this is where i thought it was gonna go and i got really excited but then it didn’t 😭

I left almost this exact comment on another video. The reason Oliver is not a deep or well motivated character is he's a representational character, standing in for the fear the rich have of the middle class.

The movie was so cartoonish in this class struggle that when they arrived at oliver's house I was afraid that that lifestyle was going to be considered middle class, and felix would be delighted in taking in the charity case now that he saw 'poverty' more up close.

I agree, it had a lot of promise but the further it went on, the more disappointing it got.

I felt it was partly more of a comment on the fact that they assumed he must be working class simply because he had a Liverpool accent and this annoyance at their arrogance.

Following this accelerating trajectory down, what do you think your kids will be watching that will make the family Incredibly awkward.

I was worried about this because I saw it with my dad and he is a lot more squeamish than I am but surprisingly he really enjoyed it. His only complaint was that he wished Oliver and Felix had hooked up together ( my dad thought they were cute together before the twists).😄

ur dad sounds like a sweetheart hahah@@AllofTimeandSpace

@@catgirl6631 thanks 😊

my mom loved it lol

This! It could not commit to who Oliver was or who the family was. So I just was confused by the end. Oliver was creepy and off putting the whole movie. The family were like little babies learning about the world. I kinda wish they did what you were saying so you could have felt more pity for Oliver and like hated Farleigh more. Hated Felix more. But I just was like, they were kinda tools, but Oliver was a creepy tool too so who cares? And I just felt bad for Farliegh because he was so obviously right?

I think is completely fair to feel like that, because the last scene is Oliver telling us (via Elspeth) how he was so in controll all the time. But since the film starts by Oliver trying to convince us how he is not in love with Felix whilst being obsessed with him, it kinda shows Oliver is a liar and also I think he's rewriting how everything fell into place to feel victorious and not humiliated again. The movie was kinda messy on some aspects and too on the nose at the end about his participation in the deaths and demise of the family. Still, the way I read it starts by recognizing Oliver was good at taking advantages of the situaton and the things people project onto him. Felix wanted to be the savior of this poor awkward guy. Elspeth, similarly (Felix gets that savior complex from her, mirrored by the scenes where they asked for details of Oliver's supposed tragic past), but in a more gossiping way. Venetia wanted to take one of her brother's "toys" to feel desired.Sir James, well, I just got the impression that he kinda didn't like confrontation lol. The only one that didn't fell for Oliver was Farleight but since his situation was of less power than the rest, didn't directly affected Oliver's modus operandi. Additionally, that family (except for Farleight) was too unaware of themselves due to status, blindend by their economic freedom and unharned by it, therefore easy to "prey on" (like Oliver stated). Oliver didn't aimed for Saltburn from the get go, but it became his new desire and didn't let it go. I think "desire" is pretty much the main theme. It all started with Felix, and since he couldn't keep his love and attention, he kinda started planning to take his place and felt he deserved it as much as the rest of the family (maybe even more so). It cannot be a master plan since he didn't had any merit on Sir James' death, he just (again) took advantage of that. I didn't mind the ending dance, didn't hate it, but it can easily be read as if the reframing Oliver does with his villain monologe is objectively true and it does takes away any amount kf nuances the movie can be given. This might still feel unsatisfactory to you, but I personally think it works hahaha. It could use some improvements, and could be better for what its is. I did like the ways they played with mirrors and reflections on the sences and also the minotaur statue in the labyrinth was a pretty good visual analogy of the story. I don't think it has to be an "eat the rich" story to be interesting in its own merit, even if that's kinda what it ended up as but in a different twisted way lmao.

@@LeapThroughTheSkyTo present a contrary opinion: I didn't feel bad for Faleigh at all. I thought he was the most obnoxious of the bunch. The Cattons were incredibly entitled, but at least they actually had the wealth that allowed them to live in the luxury they desired. Farleigh, on the other hand, did not have wealth because his mother had spent all of her inheritance plus more. He still felt though that he was owed wealth, an Oxford education, to live in a mansion/castle, etc. simply because his mother was related to wealthy people. He also felt his mother shouldn't need to ever get a job or work or learn to save - despite the fact that she had spent all of her money - simply because she was related to wealthy people. Farleigh was also the only one of the family to attempt to outright humiliate someone else just for not being rich (recall his pointing out that Ollie's suit was rented and that he didn't "belong" among the wealthy people in the mansion). So his snobbery and sense of entitlement were particularly distasteful IMO.

@@dorothy6361 fair. I didn't exactly feel sympathetic to Farleigh, I just actively disliked Oliver so I felt able to connect to Farleigh who saw through his shit. None of the characters were particularly likable, not even because I thought they were bad people per say, but they just felt very flat and one note. Oliver and Farleigh were possibly the most complex, and not really. It didn't help that I actually thought Oliver was lying the whole time, I mean I'm poor and half my immediate family are junkies. And while it could have just been poorly written, I just kept thinking no one actually from that background would be trying to milk that for sympathy points because it just sucks as an experience altogether and it's embarrassing. I just also found Oliver so off putting and we got very little insight into him outside of im wanting to be in the in crowd and with Felix. So ultimately I was rooting against Oliver the whole time. And while Farleigh in a different movie, even Talented Mr. Ripley, I would have more easily detested, I just hated Oliver so much that anyone else who hated him became better in comparison.

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I haven’t seen Saltburn, but that was immediately what I thought of when I heard about that scene

Ooooooohhhhh

ahhh, yeah. definitely onto something there

yeah it felt like it was there for shock value. same w the other 'distubring' scenes

Yeah, why was Venetia sitting on Felix’s lap like that when everyone was singing karaoke??

I actually thought it would have a subplot or at least more clear indications of incestuous relationships

I genuinely thought they were having sex in the maze at the end but then no one talking about this movie mentioned it, so I guess I'm just blonde face blind lol

Felix dropped something like „f my cousin here on accident“ while showing Oliver the house 👀 the undertones of this family loving themselves way to much (literally) was definitely there lol

Underwhelmed by the whole film

Retweet! The first act had me so invested and interested, the second act had me on the edge of my seat waiting for the ✨big twist✨ but the third act felt really rushed and kinda boring ? Like the “twist” just wasn’t jarring or developed enough for it to be meaningful or interesting

i agreeeeee with this so much 😭 the ending felt so outside of the movie, like to me this feels similar to call me by your name, where it had to do more with character interaction rather than a complete plot (at least this is what i got from the movie lol). and so to be spoon fed the ending so directly felt jarring and unnecessary

That was main issue same with promising young woman! She doesn’t know up to wrap up a film. I need her to get a cowriter or direct someone else’s script because she’s so close to making a great film! I don’t need every director to do it all!! That’s why so many projects are falling flat.

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girl i’m not into theatre so what is act 3 😭😭

To be fair Parasite is such a rare gem you cant recommend too many movies in its league and they have to recommend something

I’d like a cut version of the movie which only included scenes with Rosamund Pike 😄

I was like, wouldn't tons of family come out of the woodwork to contest Oliver's inheritance? What about Farleigh? Would it not go to the next heir? The butler definitely fucking knew and didn't like Oliver and would have gladly been on other families sides.

Also I was super confused when they kicked Farleigh out because no one confirmed he ODed. And his parents can't be that naive that they wouldn't think several of those ultra-rich party kids wouldn't have brought drugs in?

Righhhhhttt movie is still so solid overall but deffo some lost potential

the coroner’s report would say Felix died of an OD - which he did, and which Oliver successfully framed Farleigh for. How is that a plot hole?

When he said the first time he felt his mom’s throat, it struck me as intentionally salacious like the fake drug addict autobiography. It was interesting how he caught on to what would keep Felixes attention.

Same. Everyone knew Oliver was lying from the get-go.

I watched it with two friends and none of us predicted it. I also imagined the Saltburn family would be the ones to hurt Oliver at the start of the film, not the other way around

@@avaborch-solem2300Same. His name brings to mind Oliver Twist, so we are already set up from the start to - consciously or unconsciously - associate him with a poor orphan.

This is the best comment

HAHA

saltburn was MUCH better than the menu be serious

😩😩😩😩😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣 omggg

@@funkunkodo u have no taste

BUT the vibes were immaculate, soundtrack, cinematography and overall art in the movie was great and positively influencing my watching experience

Or if he started off wanting to get what he could from the family, but it escalated

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!!! I thought of Fight Club in relation to this movie too!

He clearly didn't plan the whole thing out from the start, he did it step by step it wasn't as if he thought immediately he'd manage to kill them all off. As the director said, Oliver's ideal scenario would have been marriage to Felix and living happily with the family. It just doesn't work out that way so he panicks and finds another way. He's not a mastermind behind the whole thing, he just reacted to what he was given.

Oh noooooo

Tone deaf...

well that tells you everything you need to know about the "class commentary"

That's what happens when a member of the elite tries to make a class commentary lolll

What is wrong with people 😭

My boyfriend was convinced that was the twist nearly the whole movie. 😆

yeah that's what I thought it would be too, ig it's too similar to Get Out though

That would be great, olier the ruthless manipulator and felix the romantic in that case serial killer with the family being aspects of at least accomplices, you can have esbeth be like she pretends she tries to help him but toys with him and ooh. And oliver too showing his colours. and freaking out stuff he did. Would make a really good movie.

Beware of the lower classes is so completely how it feels - naff version of the talented Mr ripley

true.

I found only Felix's death believable - accidental cocaine overdose that is basically impossible to prove he didn't do himself and his parents likely wouldn't have shared much after an autopsy because of the nature of it. Unfortunate, but not that suspicious when it comes down to it. The other ones? Yeah, no way they didn't warrant investigation at the very least.

Well I too would be weirded out if I invited my friend to my house and they tried to frick one of my family members.

He also says ' I told you he wasn't a minger' to his mom. He's definitely not supposed to be kind as the director herself said.

People are telling on themselves with complaints that the rich people were portrayed as being super nice. They quite obviously weren't, and a lot of people here were clearly also distracted by the pretty people enough to not notice how awful they were. That's the point, and this video/comment section are ironically proving it.

@@alexjames7144almost every character sucked, but that doesn’t make the movie any better.

i get more of the vibe that yes he is shitty, but he’s also somewhat agreeable. like i imagine a few candid conversations with him would set him straight into understanding. y’know? like he’s got the spirit but he’s also doing objectively shitty things. but also no one calls him out on it and that’s why he continues to do it. although the only caveat is how he responded to farleigh ab race. that was rough ngl

Lol, I'm glad I'm not the only person who clocked that! 😂

This!!!!

Yes!! I thought that was very much THE POINT of Saltburn. To lure you in with the narrative of "evil rich people in big house" vs "poor sad boy from merseyside" only to catch you off guard! Emerald Fennell likes to play into people's prejudices and did this a lot in her film Promising Young Woman.

I agree. I was actually kind of baffled that people were expecting this movie to be a deep commentary on class. I thought it was more about Oliver as a character and his infatuation/obsession with Felix, and that obsession is what drives him to initially play the 'poor, troubled' shtick. His obsession is so severe that when Felix resoundingly rejects him, he decides to *become* him and effectively takes his life. In that sense, he becomes the vampire that he references earlier. Oliver doesn't do the things he does as a way to 'get back' at the system and he's a protagonist but he's absolutely not someone you root for.

I agree with you about high expectations, but when the movie is very heavily inspired by its precedents such as the talented mr ripley, it unfortunately falls flat on substance, which is what I think most people’s criticism lies

i agree although i still think the story fell a bit flat, but felix is NOT sweet in the movie, first watch i thought he was because he’s so charasmatic but he’s fr not (and not supposed to be)

Like, ofc this movie doesn’t have anything to contribute to class commentary. It wasn’t, and never claimed to be, a class commentary/ “eat the rich” movie. There are just rich people in it. I think that the recent rise in “f the rich” movies (Glass onion, the menu, ect.) made people automatically label this movie as a class commentary just because the characters are wealthy. Edit: I can’t spell for shi 😭

Still, I’d give it a solid 6.5/10. Kinda predictable and the “plot twist” at the end was tacky. I think people definitely overreacted to the “crazy” scenes, they weren’t that bad.

Im loving your edits hahhahaha but also I agree, I've had discussions with so many people on my course (im a film bro, apologies) and it's been so interesting hearing everyone's takes.

Other than on TikTok or twitter, I haven’t heard this take from anyone.

@@helloworld1493 if the director herself said that it's a class satire, then you can't be mad at people criticizing it for failing at class commentary

I agree!!

True!!!!

It’s honestly quite shocking for me that people on social media found it to be a “hot” and “sexy” moment of the film

I wouldn't say he SA'd Farleigh. It's more ambiguous and up to interpretation (ex: his reaction of going along with it (kissing, moaning, not resisting, sleeping with him seemingly peacefully after) could've been the freeze/shock of someone who's been S-exploited before (his male teachers used to have non-penetrative intercorse with him when he was a minor) or him just enjoying it) but apparently according to the script, he was reacting positively to it.

THIS!! That whole scene was giving big SA vibes and that was one of the uncomfortable ones for me.

I recommend the talented Mr Ripley if you haven't watched it already - it's a similar vibe but doesn't hide the twist but steers into it

i think she should have to work at tesco and let more talented people have her opportunities

it’s so annoying when she has beautiful shots and sets up an interesting story in act one and two, but then completely ruins it in the third act. she needs somebody else to just write the ending at this point.

She could at least try with people she learns from how to do stuff better.

Or nothing at all

she needs to get someone to write for her tbh. because honestly her directing is fine, good even, its just shes such a sloppy writer

I wish they'd kept that ending, it would've been a much better ending that actually would've made it feel like the film was saying something about class, or just anything in general

@@christianwise637 and also that you can get everything you want in life and still be unhappy. Which is to say, “money can’t buy happiness.” You can be happy without money, and be more happy with money, but you can’t be unhappy and improve your life exclusively with money. That’s what the Sigma Grindset guys don’t understand.

why did they change it from that? that sounds so good

@@grace-ef9mj ikr?!? That’s a really subdued ending. Must be the studio wanted something flashy. Promising Young Woman kind of ends with a twist, so maybe she’s into that.

​@@imdoneplus yess thats actually exactly what i thought too! the 'promising young woman' ending wasn't actually the original one either tho. apparently she wanted for it to end originally with those two guys burning the mc's body in the woods, which is kinda dark but would rlly have hammered home the themes of the movie yknow. apparently the 'production financiers' didn't want a negative ending, which is why they created the plot twist with the police crashing the wedding. its funny bc i wouldve enjoyed the movie more if they went w the original ending too lol, i hated the wedding crshing one. tbh that means there's a chance that the flashy ending in saltburn wasn't the directors choice, and she mightve wanted to keep it more ambigious (ugh i wish). if that's true, i feel kinda bad for her, bc ive seen a lot of ppl trashing on the ending for being too on the nose etc, and it mightve not even been her choice

In that the media was all abuzz telling us how shocking the sex and nudity was, I feel like the shock was somewhat fabricated. I thought they were very good moments for Barry to act, but not that scandalous.

@@Gee-xb7rtyou're right, I feel like that's all I heard about it. When I was going to watch it, I was still unsure what the film was supposed to be about. A recent film that I feel uses a lot of shock value nudity, is probably Poor Things.

i think it made sense that oliver's parents weren't present when he took over saltburn. he just left them behind, he doesn't care about them now that he's ascended classes. hell, he never care about them when they were in the same class. oliver is written out to be a very selfish character that thinks of himself and this makes sense for him

I recommend the talented Mr Ripley - it's not perfect but i think it was great to explore what salt burn was trying to

Not so much the poor, but the aspirational middle class who want to be in the aristocracy (like Kate Middleton, ironically enough. The press constantly accused her and her family of being Fortune hunting).

why make this a personal attack on the director 🙄 not everything you don’t like has to be the result of some moral failing on the part of the creator. That’s so unsophisticated.

@MariaCaterina2012 hmmm maybe because she wrote, directed and co-produced the movie ?

@grandempressvicky6387 I suppose it is two-pronged. What I initially meant was that Felix THOUGHT that Oliver was poor and leant him his sympathy, which led to the events that happened. What you say is also true though :)

​@@rynb4868 you not liking a piece of work doesn't mean the person who created it is a bad person, baby boo. the fact that fact that you feel empowered to make out-of-pocket statements about a creator's personal beliefs because they made a piece of work that didn't contain a moral message indicates to me that you should probably stick with after-school specials.

neither does jacob elordi..

I think you could be right. The reason I hated the movie was both the piling plot holes and how all the characters felt like caricatures, not fully fledged characters. It added even more insult to injury when she made all the rich people tepid villains, innocent, gullible and honestly, very dumb. All the while the upper middle class guy was a villain master mind. It felt like she wanted to cater to rich with a cautionary tale since she's a heir herself, but even that falls flat. And to me, it falls flat because she could not add nuance to her caricatures and plot.

Thiiiiiiiis

I couldn’t help but think about the talented lister Ripley… which in my opinion was better

That last paragraph, had us in the first half not gonna lie.gif

I don't think that's the message she was going for. I mean, don't get me wrong it was utterly unimpressive film class-wise, but it was more to do with the real obsession the middle class have with becoming wealthier; aristocratic. This is a real thing that exists and it's a funny fear the upper-classes have held since the beginning of the time (see the sumptuary laws of the 13th century which banned luxury clothings for the "new rich" even tho they can afford it!) The twist is significant because rich people do see some poor people as little side projects they can dote on until their next distraction. So I think it's unfair to say Ferrel was targeting the working class but under some facade decided she didn't want backlash. Her biggest crime was just not adding anything to the catalogue other than being scenic.

She didn't hate it

@@luiscalzoncit2820 They never said she did.

@@princessnicki63 They said: "Finally someone who agrees!!! I honestly hated that movie so much..."

I just watched a video saying the talented Mr Ripley is like a better look at class - I just watched it - deffo enjoyed the talented Mr Ripley more :)

I was thinking a similar, but comparatively less developed/historicized version of this. Generally, under capitalism there are people who aspire to be wealthy/wealthier, but this desire is parasitic and requires immense manipulation and exploitation to achieve since it’s about playing into preexisting structures of economic inequity, rather than dismantling them. Oliver seems like an extreme example (perhaps a rather ham fisted one too) of this and displays the kind of violent acts, whether discursive or literal, required to accumulate wealth and move up classes. He has no interest in wealth redistribution, but will appropriate the aesthetics of any class to get what he wants . A class trader, whose bought into the hyper-individualistic ideology of capitalism and has come to believe he is somehow more deserving of wealth than the Cattons. He’s obsessed with their bodies and fluids too, especially Felix’s, because they are materializations of the kind of wealth he wishes to embody. He wants to devour them and their wealth. And I think we should walk away not liking Oliver because he’s been nothing but selfish and an unreliable narrator. I don’t mourn the demise of the Cattons. They are caricatures of the ways intergenerational wealth rots your brain. But getting rid of them without some larger movement or social upheaval doesn’t change a thing. This is how I at least like to interpret the movie to get something interesting from it 😂

like half of the metaphors don't even really make sense under scrutiny either. snake in the garden of eden would make sense if he wanted to "corrupt" the cattons themselves in some way but he just kills em, they dont become worse people as a result of his involvement. the minotaur doesn't really work either because oliver is an intruder, but the labyrinth was made specifically to hold the minotaur. he lives there. that's his home & prison and always has been

actually you know what if anything it would've been kind of cool if Oliver was symbolically Theseus instead

yeah that's the vibe I got, which is certainly a choice but not a movie for me. And, I think sometimes we just have to realise that. I was never going to enjoy a film that satirises the middle class for the aspiration (albeit violently tragic) they have to be wealthy. because at the end of the day, it's more pitiful to me than funny. Ferrel probably sees humour in it because she is surrounded by those folks, ultimately hence she satirises both the upper class and middle but falls flat in this because she has obvious biases. In that way Jordan is completely right, its a pretty bad class film but I was pretty neutral on it and the stylistic choices were fun imo

There is no such thing as middle-class if we use the original, Marxist definition of bourgeois. Petit-bourgeois would be the closest thing, but it does not carry the same connotations that "middle-class" does. The actual, material class distinction is between those who labor and those who own the means of production.