I found a new bit of information at the new tower, the community said on a report that visions are the worst that could happen to a person since visions trap the people's fate or something, I have really bad memory, I will bring the whole data when I have time to play.

But what is the explanation for the vision line in neuvillette's voice over? In that case?.

I think he personally granted her Vision, hers is different from all the others, hers has fangs holding the gem and the bottom part is different, also, celestia should be able to grant Hydro visions anymore since they lost the Hydro throne and the stolen authority it had.

He said he will continue grants people visions for those who is worthy. It's on his "About VIsion" voiceline, If I remember it correctly

​@@illidanST7Fno his line means that now that he have the authority he can negate to celestia to use his authority for giving vision but since he acknowledge the will of humanity he will continue to grant celestia the use of his authority

Imagine that as the first Vision from Neuvillete he puts a tad too much power in Furina vision. Meaning despite it being a Vision Furina can pull near god level feats despite just getting her vision.

Her vision got these 4 claw/tooth looke design holding the gem too. So all hydro vision with that design is given out by Neuvillette if we see one in the future

@@zelktheinvader7874 it doesnt have to, future hydro characters could have normal hydro visions from them receiving it before the events of 4.2

Celestia lost authority over hydro completely the moment focalors destroyed the hydro archons "throne".

As it sai's that they can't grant or deny. It's simply because Neuvilettes have the authority of that element. Furina's Vision is not special because she is only the first vision holder of that fraction of power that is now coming from the hydro dragon Neuvilette. Let us not confuse ourselves that Neuvi grants it because it is false. The criteria of having a vision still follows Celestia's requirement by writing that rule in Teyvat.

People don't have information. but they can't make you sucka if they you that in the beginning. It's quite evil actually. knowing that you don't have the information Traveller seeks but making him save your whole nation anyway

nahida too actually

@@jordanmntungwa3311yeah archons are definitely evil. (Venti zhongli and raiden specifically) i actually think fatui are the good guys

Honestly I wish more people did that 😂

@@potatothings7223 more like the morally grey characters Although their methods are harsh, they don't really plan on true destruction or chaos, but the main purpose is for them to fight "fate" and overturn the gods The Archons on the other hand, actually does have dirt on them Venti is one of the original seven and yet, he has no reason NOT to tell something that is useful Zhongli is bound by a "contract" even though he doesn't have to fulfill it since he "retired" as an archon Ei is...somewhat understandable, only her sister knows what happened but she doesn't, but what makes her as bad as the 1st 2 is the Vision Hunt Degree and abandoning her original duties Nahida also doesn't know much but knows something that won't even make sense until later on where we would get full information (the fake skies), and most of the information on the irminsul about the missing sibling is all blurry which makes it hard to understand until further deciphering

Except unlike Dainsleif, he will become mostly irrelevant after we leave Fontaine like every important characters before him. Dainsleif is the only closely related to our most important task......finding our sister😅

@@dohalimilqarasdeldemenanci8483 or maybe not man, in the future if we align with the "dragons" to maybe destroy Celestia in na sense we could see him being more used, but Dain still is the only lore hope we have haha

​@@ViniciusSilva-ys1fpI agree, Neuvilette right now is as important as the archons if not even greater than them since he's the hydro dragon sovereign. He's definitely coming back in the future.

@@dohalimilqarasdeldemenanci8483 He will be for a while, but he's for sure to come back. His final ascension voice line dictates he will be there to judge the heavenly principles when the time comes

@@dohalimilqarasdeldemenanci8483 Skirk herself said they'd meet again. Then there's the fact that he's a sovereign dragon with full power... he'll have a role to play.

I'd think that Neuviellette only gave her the vision when she finally lets go and relent in still doing what she loved to do, and that is the opera, without having her former duty loom over her back and have her feel like her acting is not something for her once she attained her freedom. In short, Neuvillette, on her first performance as a human, allows him to finally ascertain that Furina finally has found herself in her humanity and her newfound freedom, finally free from the burden of her duty.

@@Vekcrazah Quite frankly, Neuvillette cares a great deal about her and Furina and Focalors have changed his view on The Seven and humans. He still wishes to judge the archons, but he does not want to fight hem. He even said that all he will do, he will not endanger humanity. She did all of this, and probably as you said that when she finally came to terms with who she is Neuvillette gave her the vision.

You make it sound like he personally gave it to her in person. As we've already seen, that's not the case. The process seems to be automated to an extent. I think Neuvillette does need to set aside some of his powers to be converted into Visions, but I don't think he decides or even knows who gets what. (Although it would be more romantic if he got a say in that, of course)

@@lazyremnant380 He does have the decision though, that is the thing. Maybe not directly, but he does have the choice to give it to a person. Keep in mind, Celestia has no control over Fontaine anymore, no control over the Hydro element and visions. I do not think he sets aside parts of his "power", since granting a vision does not decrease his power level even by a bit.

​@@lazyremnant380in his story text it is stated that he "obeys no edict of the heavens [...] so he too set aside parts of himself" So we know that he gives visions out himself.

Technically we learn about gnosises and traveler being some kind of walking gnosis from skirk

​​@@justarandom_guy3854I could also give credit to Skirk as well, she is most likely important to the game's future so I can expect to see her around maybe during Natlan or Snezhnaya, I believe Snezhnaya is a better example that we see her again because she is a mentor to Childe so...

Skirk gave this info to only neuv and he still told us, he's so nice

@@ArchonKujo She might also be to become a playable character. the abyss element after all nations are completed.

@@canyouthefandango3220 Don't forget Dainsleif.

no, neuvillette reward her, he literally says this there's no hydro throne and no hydro archon, the hydro authority belongs to neuvillette now, the authority of the element and the visions he gives have no connection with celestia or celestial principles anymore

You made one thing wrong. It wasn't Furina who destroyed the Hydro Archon Throne, it was Focalors. Sure, she took part in it but she was never aware of the plan therefore her resilience was nothing more but a proof of her humanity. And that, I believe, even Celestia will not ignore to reward. The thing is you have this grand idea that the entirety of Celestia is evil, and therefore everyone who sides with the archons is something they should be wary of but that's not often the case. Hence, I do believe that Celestia CAN and WILL reward Furina for her strong will. After all, it is not her who destroyed the throne. She only played her part. So no, it doesn't make sense for Neuvillette to give her vision. Visions were only a thing AFTER the archon war. None had visions when the dragons ruled Teyvat, if there was- it would've been mentioned in the Enkanomiya Books which had writings from the culture of the world before Primordial One.

That "seemed" is kinda throwing a wrench in the "Her vision was intentionally given by Neuvillette" explanation. Because it feels like it is written like a narrative, and how she feels like the Vision is a reward for the work she's done. Because her entire story still fits the struggle and breakthroughs of previous Hydro vision bearers. Her realising how acting, "putting herself on the stage", as it were, is how she can benefit those around is very similar to Barbara, Candace, Kokomi, Ayato, Yelan, Nilou. Yes Neauvillette could have chosen to reward Furina with a Vision, but I'll need direct confirmation for that. Because as it is, Furina's actions fits the general mold of previously shown Hydro recipients.

her vision has dragon claws. neuvilette gave it to her

Only seemed like it. It was still in response to her wish. We even see this in the play itself. "But what about your wish?" "My...wish?" She may have been playing a role on stage but that question is something she took more personally. She wished and in the end she received an answer.

fr, we have so little info about Natlan I'm getting excited already waiting for its release lmao

Time to wait for a WHOLE year again😞😞 But I think it would be worth it just like Fontaine.

it's already 3 years but i'm still excited what thruth is the pyro archon gonna reveal to us. I hope its mind blowing

Think of it as only 6 more versions left, each version dosent feel thaat long does it

​@@Laban540frickuwhoevertooklabanwhen you put it that way... yeah it's not that long 🤔

I think it's more he set aside fragments of his power to those worthy of getting a hydro vision and she was one of those worthy.

So does this mean that celestial now know that they were fooled by focalor, and also why would nuevillette help primordial one by granting others visions because nuevillette wanted to judge the primordial one in the end right ?

It is the same as before tye differnce being Neuvillette can probably know who the wish belongs to since the wish doesnt need to pass through celestia first -- it just goes straight to him

@@mathewgeorge121 I think they might not know about him granting visions specifically because if you look at Furina's vision it has a completely unique design compared to every other Fontaine vision, which suggests it came completely from Neuvilette without Celestia's influence

New lines about "vision" in his character profile: "Neuvillette obeys no edict from the heavens, but he does acknowledge human will. So he too set aside parts of himself, as like unto the dragon- treasure hoards of old, awaiting valiant humans to come and claim them."

From how Fontaine Archon and world quests perform, it's similar to Honkai main story focusing on Seele, due to the concept of duality, the sea/ocean in the metaphorical sense, and Death/Rebirth. Neuvillette, Furina, and Focolor hold many similar characteristics as Seele, both light (original, later on awakens as Herrscher of Rebirth) and Dark (Stigmata self Veliona). The Hydro authority is Genshin's equivalent of the Herrscher authority of Death/Rebirth due to its similar capability. Neuvillette feat of saving the Fontaine people, allowing them to become actual humans is similar to Seele using the herrscher authority of Rebirth to create new bodies for the souls trapped within the twin bubble universes. Both cases involve the phenomenon of consciousness retention (Primordial Waters retain the dissolved Fontaine humans consciousness, the twin bubble universes keep the souls within). Both authorities needed roundabout methods to attain, which also involves gathering energy at a focus point (imaginary singularity and energy within the Ortice)

Fontaine's current situation has made it clear that Genshin Impact is not black and white when it comes to good and evil. I think Tsaritsa's plan does have malice in it. Maybe even desires to take over Teyvet with vengeance. Maybe the dragons will try to rise and take over Teyvet of the Dragon King comes back or maybe the Abyss will bring Khaenri'ah back and take over Teyvet.

IT'S HONKAI IMPACT ALL OVER AGAIN UUUUUUGH- (Paimon brain boom)

I feel like the tsaritsa has two outcomes to her plans: Path 1: She overthrows celestia, becoming the entire ruler of teyvat and watches over the world. Path 2: she destroys celestia, abolishing visions and Celestia's influence so teyvat has no God to rule it. This would give the sovereigns full power again to take their world back, since it belongs to them

Celestia has been built up as the big bad, Khaenri'ah and the Abyss Order as tragic underdogs, and Tsaritsa as a well-intentioned-extremist we're only clashing with because they are so desperate they fully subscribe to "the ends justify the means" for ages now. What I'm much more curious about is the Descenders. We are the 4th. We know the 1st was the Primordial One, and we know that the 3rd was made into the Gnoses. So, the question is this: was the Traveller's sibling the 2nd descender (doesn't make much sense, since it would mean they fought against the Primordial One 6k years ago, which doesn't gel with their role in Khaenri'ah 500 year prior to the game's start) or the 3rd (which doesn't make much sense, because the Gnoses were handed out after the Archon War, which happened 2000+ years ago, which also doesn't gel with their role in Khaenri'ah). So yeah, confusing stuff.

@@Horvath_Gabor khaenri'ah isn't as innocent as we are led to believe. Remember that they had no god and still tried to surpass that limit with the abyss. Also with rhinedottir's creations attacking all of teyvat BEFORE khaenri'ah was destroyed. Neither side is innocent.

I was thinking the same thing. They wouldn't have incorporated the indemnitium plot line if it wasn't foreshadowing how people's fait/ambition power something on a bigger scale.

Same. After seeing Neuvillette regain his title as the Hydro Dragon Sovereign makes me wonder, where are the other Dragon Sovereigns? Specifically, I have not heard a single peep about the whereabouts of the Electro Dragon Sovereign, other than "might be in Natlan" for some reason???

thats the fun part. for every answer we get 10 more questions arise

@@dandarr5035do you know the sea between Sumeru and Inazuma, the purple sea between port orman and Watatsumi island, that is where electro dragon reside

@@nah131 I heard that the electro dragon is big

apep is the dendro dragon sovereign, right?

Wow I didn’t notice the dragon teeth design😳😳😳🩵🩵🩵huhu Neuv is such a big supporter of Furina im proud of those two🩵🩵🥺

she was the first, tham wonderer and now furina

Many many, inazuma npc and normal people were confirmed to have visions

But if the second hypotesis is true this means that the one that used the third is the second one who came because than the third would'nt be the successor of the one doing it

neuvi told us both of them used the third to create the gnoses@@massimilianoreali4398

You're absolutely right. It was never previously confirmed who came out victorious between the Primordial One and the Second Who Came, we only had an assumption from the scribe of Istaroth in Before Sun and Moon that the Primordial One won. But from Neuvillette's story we see that the Second Who Came actually wounded the Primordial One in battle in such a way that caused them to lose their absolute authority, and the two had to have made a compromise together to create the "new order" that was established. The new order was that humans would "only possess these seven remembrances", and "all fragments of the primordial were driven to devour each other". This very likely refers to the Archon War. But what would cause the Primordial One and the Second Who Came to work together like that? Perhaps the Third Descender was a common enemy between the two that they had to eradicate to maintain their new order.

​@@justinbailey1669Or a doom fate that teyvat need to be prepared of

Perhaps she planned to trap the entire nación of Inazuma in the plane of Euthymia were her people will live forever.

I doubt it. From a few lines of Inazuma AQ act 3, and -some text- a voiceline from Raiden's character demo, it seems that Raiden was actually trying to allign with Heavenly Priciples and their ideals. Yae even mocks her about it during their conversation: "Heavenly Principles? Irrelevant nonsense as far as I'm concerned." The part where it says that Usurper couldnt supress the natural(original) order of this world due to loss of his absolute authority likely refers to some retaliation from the Elemental authorities he took from the Dragon Sovereigns which he couldnt control "To continue to subdue and control the resentments and loathing of the world, the usurper and the one who came after created Gnoses" - In order to subdue the elemental authorities to his will, he then created the Gnoses, which we now know are highly compatible with elemental energy, you could also say they are a means to contain the elementsl authorities. But the Gnoses still werent enough to fully supress the authorities, so they had to tie them to specific entities - archons, and as such Celestia incentivized archon war, untill only seven archons remained. After this the only manifestation of elemental authorities left were visions, which were granted whenever person's ambition was high enough and was coinciding with that of the appropriate archon's ideals. Since Ei's ideals after creating Sakoku and Vision hunt decree were in line with that of Heavenly Principles, no electro visions have been granted during that time period (and we know stasis is something Celestia wants because whenever a nation advances too much technologically, they get Tevyatian version of nuke on their doorstep).

from reading this im getting the impression, that the one that made humans accidentally made them too powerful and was like. fuck! go back!! go back!!@@vukkicos5688

Noone thought she was gonna try to contact the god of time with the vision statue. It seemed she didnt know of the god of time as she just call it "a higher power".

That's actually a good take on inazuma. Ei DOES takes matter in her own hands all the time, so It kinda makrs sense for her to be the one to give an eternity of stasis to her people

Which also means she was right, since she had no control over it, she had no idea that the Electro Visions were not spreading in other parts of the world anymore. One can think of the Archons as a battery source, but "some other power", probably Celestia or the like, is the crafter and distributor of the device (vision). Archons just happen to be a very powerful elemental energy source.

But they do have some hand in it then if it was true Assuming its final decision is by Celestia or automation, the part remains that Archon is duty bound to share fragments of their power. So Raiden during that period was no longer interested in fulfiling it, rather taking it away. So she wasnt accepting of sharing her power. So no Electro visions were granted then... Or because she no longer held onto the Gnosis, it doesnt do the function of separating the user powers. This explains massively on why Traveller has abilities very similar to the Archons. Since whatever the Gnosis does and the 7 statues, Traveller is getting the portion of their power, but in the closest sense via the 7 Statues

so the celestia is making it but is made from the archons, am i getting that right?@@blackkat101

That would also explains now why the hydro traveler have kit that's portion to neuvillete and not furina.@@Vonmoonlight

​@@Vonmoonlighti mean bunty the fart didn't have the anemo Gnosis when Wanerer received his vision... So this theory is false Raiden not giving out visions still remains a big plothole

Very interesting thought. Wasn't it lit up again when the Traveler handed it back to the Knave? Maybe his duty was to bring the Narwhal to bring and end to Fontaine, but now that Fontaine is still standing, he is duty bound again.

@@izanagiuzumaki7325 No it wasn’t lit up again. The traveler handed it back to the Knave while it still had no power. That’s the whole thing that makes it interesting

it didnt deactivate at all though? like, as shown in the video, we *know* what deactivated visions look like due to Kazuha having Tomo's vision. they are completely empty crystals with no elemental insignia. yes, Childe's vision seemed to malfunction when we met him in Fontaine for the first time, which *is* itself a point of interest, but it never at any point came to look like Tomo's deactivated vision. during the cutscene where Childe's vision 'malfunctions', it actually glows abnormally brightly and then returns to normal, rather than it glowing at a baseline and becoming dull or empty. you can compare his vision before and after the malfunction to see they appear exactly the same. it also appears normally throughout all other scenes, including when the Traveler gives it to the Knave. i agree that the behavior of Childe's vision is of interest and probably plot relevant, but it definitely didnt deactivate or lose power.

It was because a creature of the Abyss was taking him over. He essentially had a whale-shaped parasite growing inside of him (which was why Skirk trained him) and we all know that Abyss creatures aren’t well liked by Celestia. Childe’s body was becoming more Abyss than human when we saw him, so that canceled out him using Hydro powers. If you get eaten by the narwhal during its boss fight, you gotta fight something it’s controlling inside of it... Which is Childe. He told us to hold on to it for him, so we did. Since we beat up the multidimensional whale and helped him out, he should be able to use it again. Plus, Visions that were taken and put on the statue in Inazuma weren’t glowing either because they were separated from their owners

@@MetaGiga where are we getting the info that the humanoid monster inside of the whale is Childe? what you're saying could make sense but it seems like a theory. regardless, it doesnt refute that Childe's vision did indeed remain activated. it never became empty like Tomo's did. like i said, the absence of active glowing doesnt mean the vision is deactivated; its not the same thing. we know of a couple reasons why visions glow: 1. when they resonate with elemental energy, and 2. when they resonate with a strong ambition. Childe's vision glowing abnormally *is* new, and therefore notable. but a vision not glowing doesnt really mean anything bc they dont constantly glow. you can see the differences between a vision glowing, not glowing and being deactivated really well in the cutscene where Kazuha parried the Musou no Hitotachi, which was shown in the video. both his anemo vision *and* Tomo's electro vision were glowing very brightly, but after the parry, they both stopped glowing. only Tomo's deactivated completely. Kazuha's vision was still there, it just wasnt actively glowing. the visions on the Statue of the Omnipresent God *were* activated tho? in the cutscene where the Traveler meets Raiden and rescues Thoma from having his vision confiscated, you can see that the visions inlaid in the statue are colorful. when Itto's vision was confiscated, they also found his vision on the statue, still activated. again, they don't glow constantly. but thats different from deactivation.

you mean wanderer😭

@@Qanos He have to much name 😅 So I prefer Hat Guy 🤣

@@renn4301 Hat Guy = Hot Gay :D

@@Qanos That's not a name 😄

@@randompersonontheinternet1038 it is, Nahida uses it in the darshans event to refer to Wanderer

@@otigev2052 nope neuvilette is the second water dragon of sovereign he's probably older that most archon maybe he's reclusive and was founded by focalors and invited him to be the iudex in fontaine

💀💀💀

@@otigev2052 No, Neuvilette became Chief Justice around the same time as Futuna’s ascension. He supposedly had lived well before that.

Yall really need to stop saying Neuvi is Furina's dad, especially after Ashikai made that stupid observation. It just tell me your interpretation of the characters are completely wrong. Do you need to be remind that it is Furina that push Neuvilette to interact and understand humanity? Redo Neuvi's story quest, I beg of yall.

​@@otigev2052there is no concrete evidence of who is older. Neuvillette wasn't born the day he became chief justice smh. Who knows how long he lived before he got hired.

It shows up well for most. Hydro units judge the world through their own strong moral code. Dendro units find ounces of truth hidden in otherwise common public knowledge. Electro units preserve something truly dear to them (for eternity). I just cant analyze geo units that well.

@@amandaslough125 Lol it's funny you mention that, just the other day I was looking through different characters' vision stories to find common themes between the elements and geo was the only one I couldn't make sense of. If anything, the most common theme was that most of them didn't even particularly want visions.

@@justinbailey1669 strong will perhaps. Itto isn't the most intelligent bloke, but he is stubborn and tends to do things he sets his mind to. Noelle is hellbent on becoming a knight and desires to help people to a fault. Gorou is the general of an army staging a rebellion against the rule of possibly the most powerful archon at present. I don't think you could argue that Ningguang or Navia aren't driven individuals. I honestly don't know enough about Albedo or Yun Jin to comment on either of them though.

Pyro visions hold the concept of legacy and inheritance. Based on the character stories, Pyro vision holders ambitions are linked to parental/mentor figures. This also fits Murata's Honkai counterpart Himeko, as their family figures are inspirations of their paths. Unfortunately, HI3 Himeko abandoned her ambition as a space researcher after her father's death, which was expanded in Alien Space. Star Rail Himeko was able to fulfill the ambition after repairing the Astral Express, later on under Welt's protection due to the Sky People and Aeons threat.

The answer to this lies in Gnosticism the game is heavily inspired from. In Gnosticism three levels of human consciousness exist Pneuma Hyllic and Psychic. Hyllic is the lowest form of being I believe those to be the Hillichurls they possess no ability to ascend instead they become less human after death. Psychic are people that have potential they have a strong will and ambition, they are partially intiated humans. I believe those to be vision bearers. Finally we have the Pneumatic those "have the ability to escape the immaterial world via gnosis" Ring any bell? I believe those are the Descenders

The issue is that vision wielders don’t do much in terms of the plot. For example, what would celestia need for someone like Bennett?

@@BabyGirlTiny Bennett is cursed with unfortune and is most likely tied to Celestia in some form. Visions is more like a test to see if you can ascend to godhood. Every vision wielder has a purpose to fullfill as a first test to enlightment. I think they are using visions to control fate in Theyvat whatever that is good or bad is probably complex. Suppose they did NOT control fate, humans have proven to seek out forbidden knowledge and more or less ruin heavenly order all by themselves.

@@BabyGirlTiny or someone like keqing who hates the gods?

Genshin basically elden, souls lore mixed with extra

"the heavenly principles are quite a bit like the Golden Order, a being from another world that comes down and takes the title of god" Wait, no, that's not the Golden Order, that's called the Greater Will

The neat part is Genshin predates Elden Ring's release by a while. I've had my own writing compared to stuff I've never played/watched/seen, so... It kinda stands to reason it goes for them too. Between looking at more Dark Souls/etc and just, possibly sharing some similar ideas and sentiments... the two writing teams basically hit on similar ideas. Poetic coincidences are fun~

@@shanedoesyoutube8001 I suppose you could see the Golden order as the archons then or the people worshipping celestia

@@cubalibre-5238 that would be the empyreans specifically

Skirk said that holding into the remains of a dead person brings misfortune, and ya, every Vision wielder has the potential to become a god, but becoming a god doesn't sound that great

@@Nick-Terakidan That would mean Tsaritsa would want to have them all to trigger such misfortune, perhaps the Heavenly Principals attention or something.

@@Grafii2198she might try to assemble all elemental ancient dragons like Neu and release the original power gnosis to return

Neuvillette never suspected furina's "Un-archon like" deeds or behaviours not once in 500 years And literally anything could've went wrong if neuvillette decided to not help the humans (humans are the creation of the very being that wiped neuvi's entire race) Yet my bro still saved everyone True homie

I might be confusing things here but why would the Nibelung be the "second who came" if they were originally from Teyvat? Also, "the second who came" literally implies they are the second descender. But that aside, the second who came helped Phanes to make the gnosis answer why on earth would Nibelung do that with his enemy?

If that was the case, shouldn't Neuvilette feel a connection or familiarity to the Gnosis if Nibelung is the Dragon King of the Sovereigns?

Apep implies that the dragonking became something else after obtaining forbidden knowledge. And that Apep tried to fight the corruption of the Abyss in order to save her king from whatever made him mad. Apep is said to have swallowed Deshret after he obtained forbidden knowledge, now the details of this is very vague. But it is possible that the dragonking ordered Apep to swallow Deshret in order to control that power to fight the Heavenly Principles. By now Nibelung knew that nothing they possess stand a chance of winning. However it is also very suspicous that the "Sinner" specifially says creature, implying he is NOT human or never was, he is also not a god, and dragons hated gods. "creature I am no god I am but a sinner" It is not common to use creature unless you see yourself as a different species. So those are the two clues in that dialogue for the Sinner to in fact be Nibelung a weakened version or whatever he became after obtaining forbidden knowledge.

@@alexanderericson8628 They are clues that the sinner is Nibelung but not that the sinner/Nibelung is a descender or the second who came

@@Elrog3 I agree I did not pay attention that's what he was saying. But it can become kind of interesting if the Abyss Heralds were former dragons the Abyss Herald we meet before meeting the Sinner, specifically says an "audience" now I don't know about you but that sure sounds like he is their King. There is also some kind of connection to the traveller since the travellers abilities resemble the sovereigns we know that now and not the Archons. Meaning the traveller is much more related to the dragons than Celestia.

Aren't vision primitive gnosis so if a vision is a primitive gnosis (this does not mean vision came before the gnosis but that visions are more simplistic and thus weaker versions of the gnosis) whatever snezhnaya is doing with the gnosis is probably what Ei wanted to accomplish using vision and because visions are primitive gnosis it would take multiple visions to grant the same power that 7 gnosis can, also if the gnosis are the remnants of the third descender (at least the hydro gnosis is) the vision are just gnosis without the third descenders remnants or they could be remnants of another descend or maybe the primordial one who might just be a descender itself.

@@Tomy_Lightning I wouldn't say that they want to do the same thing, their outlooks and ideals are extremely different. Ei's plan seems to be to protect her people and make sure they live on and the Heavenly Principles don't merc them. While miss frost archon seems to be more hostile in mind for the Principles and the world order. One protect and one attack from what it seems like.

@@Teh10Sorrow I meant it as in the porpoise of whatever they were making is the same but used in a different way.

The visions are translated to "gods eyes" in CN the legend is that with a hundred god eye statue you can transcend now if you look at the statue it sure looks like eyes upon it. I believe Ei tried to ascend the entire Inazuma into eternity. Yae Miko pointed out that what is the point of doing that if all the humans she govern are no longer human, However I don't think this is the reason Ei decides to abandon her plan it was one of the reasons but not entirely. When Kazuha managed to meet her blade is the only thing that actually surprises Ei in any meaningful regard. This is when she realises that her own people still have spirit and that Inazumas destiny is far from over.

I don't think collecting gnoses will be enough to completely usurp the thrones of the archons. furina/folcalors lost her throne and authority by killing herself and she had to collect indemnitium for 500 years for that to happen. we see raiden, venti, zhongli, and even Nahida all retain their authority over their elements despite not having gnoses. i could be wrong but if shes collecting parts that once consisted of the 3rd descenders body it might be a resurrection or something along that line

That is pretty much spot on what I believe. That would mean that Childe at current moment in the game has no memory of who he was. He seem to know that he should fight the whale, but if his vision stopped working he may very well have forgotten who he was all together.

Nibelung might be the second who came a other worldly dragon he came and saw the miserable state of the dragons (Like us the traveler) proved himself to dragon kind became their king and started round 2 of the war. He tried to use Abyssal power or Forbidden knowledge but failed to control it. Abyssal power was corrosive to P.O. So in order to heal and maintain control over Teyvat P.O created Gnoses and Visions and Celestial nail

Yes Zhongli or rather Morax, founded Liyue over 6000 years ago and defended it for over 3700 years in which the cataclysm that happened over 500 years ago was fought therein, it was thus that now Zhongli coincided with the contract to end all contracts

I have strong believe that Morax is one of the Shades, because he knows allot about this world lore and the only one who still remember Greater lord rukkhadevata, every one else did changed expect for his info was slightly changed but still remain the same, (You are one who crosses the celestial atlas, and who passes through countless worlds), this line here hide allot of mysteries.

Speculations are that he’s the sun (god) created by Phanes and/or one of Phanes' shades. In the book Before Sun and Moon it’s said that the Solar Chariot (an actual chariot, a vehicle used by the sun god or/and the sun itself) fell from the sky for unknown reasons and created the Chasm in Liyue on impact ~6000 years ago. It slumbered for an unknown amount of time and reawakened during the Archon War. Depending on the lore it was described that the Chasm miners either repaired the Solar Chariot and it returned to the heavens and/or it (the sun god) was unable to bear the bloodshed of the Archon War and leapt back into the sky. If Zhongli is indeed the Sun God I have reasons to believe that he actually stayed (or descended once more) and won the authority over Geo while trying to bring an end to the war. His quote "I do not wish for dominion but I cannot watch the common folks suffer“ comes to mind. Symbols used for Zhongli besides the Geo one also often depict a sun/star… there are obviously more hints like his burst being a falling star/meteorite and the Chinese name for his burst meaning "heavenly star“ but I can‘t possibly mention them all here.

And I looked it up again, Zhongli founded Liyue Harbour ~3700 years ago during the Archon War shortly after Guizhong‘s demise and the destruction of the Guili Assembly, presumably close to the end of the Archon War (in Liyue specifically, we know several wars between gods were waged all over Teyvat). It‘s likely they fought for several thousand years but I don‘t think he has been an Archon/possessed the authority over Geo for over 6000 years cuz in order to gain the Gnosis and authority he had to be the victor of the Archon War in the first place.

@venusgaytrap6960 this might actually make sense. i've theorized for a while now that both Venti and Zhongli are both related to primordial forces, especially since they are the last 2 of the original 7

Well, the same thing happened when the Traveler fought Raiden. Just as Kazuha activated his friend's ability due to him sharing his friend's "vision" as in, his point of view, the Traveler activated all visions collected in the statue due to them all sharing the wish of ending Eternity. I don't think a person could be granted 2 visions, but if two people shared their dreams and their view on the world were the same, I believe they could probably use them both, but since this case is so particular, it occurs seldom times

@@kristophesiem5336 how about just a simple story when someone has a vision from celestia before and then proceed to get a vision from a dragon after that with some reason for the stroy. In the end to be honest everything could be happening and the writer have the authority to do whatever they want. Just imagine man you can freeze the enemy by yourself 😂

Someone HAS NOT been paying attention to the freaking story

Zhongli's origin is honestly clearer than Ei and Makoto's. With Zhongli we have a lot of lore about the Guili Assembly, the Adepti, Liyue's prehistory and his role prior to and during Liyue's creation. Inazuma's prehistory is nonexistent, as it existed as a nation prior to the Archon War. We have no records of when exactly it was created or when Ei and Makoto started ruling it. All we know is that sometime between the primordial civilisation's fall and the Archon War, Ei and Makoto created Inazuma. That's it. It's like it's always existed, fitting for the nation of eternity I guess

@@GrenadeLauncher-vk3wd i agree to an extent. For ei and makoto i do believe it may have something to do with some japanese mythology. Wherein if something exists for long enough it can eventually manifest into a higher being or something the like. And i do like your point that inazuma could’ve just been their the whole time as it follows eternity. Pretty neat if that’s actually what hoyo’s going to go for. And as for the zhongli backstory, i personally can’t recall much that has been told about him specifically. Anything that has to do with him also has to do with others. Which of course i find quite odd. There’s no ‘this is where he started’ lore. Although this may also just be from my lack of remembering and bothering to look for stuff.

@@fishbol478 You're right. His backstory is mostly explored through other stuff like the Guili Assembly and the Adepti, so it's partially explored. His birth isn't stated, but his identity as the leader of the Adepti and the Guili Assembly means we have some information about what he did before the Archon war, even if it's vague. I just wanted to point out that Ei and Inazuma's origin is even more vague, since you brought up the other gods. Venti, Nahida and Furina's origins are clearly explored, but Zhongli's origin as an adeptus is kinda mysterious, while Ei and Inazuma have no origin (as it's an unchanging, eternal nation). The original Archons are the most mysterious. The Liyue people think that the Adepti come from Zhongli himself or Celestia, and this would make sense in light of Neuvilette's reveal that Egeria was created by Celestia in some way. The original Archons' origins are likely tied to Celestia, but this will probably be explored soon, because of Neuvilette's reveal.

@@GrenadeLauncher-vk3wd I'm glad you pointed out that the original archons could actually all be created by celestia themselves. I don't know if you've watched wei's theory about zhongli, but they bring up some very convincing points. I'm honestly almost inclined to believe it. The theory basically states that he might actually be a descender himself. And yes I'm hoping for more neuvillette lore crumbs along the way.

@@fishbol478 I haven't watched it, but I'll probably watch it since you mentioned it. However, I'm inclined to believe that Zhongli isn't a descender. The identity of the first and second are most likely the Primordial One and the Sustainer (second throne), the third died and became gnoses, and the fourth is the MC. Besides, the descenders don't use elemental energy (except for the MC) and they created Celestia. So if Neuvilette's statement that Egeria was created by Celestia applies to the other Archons too, then Zhongli would be a creation of the descenders and not a descender himself. Seeing how the Archons are basically Sovereigns under Celestia's control, and Neuvilette mentioned that the gnoses and visions are a way to maintain world order, the Archons were possibly created by Celestia for that purpose. Their origin is probably more complex than we know, but I doubt they're descenders in any way.

I think it's more about the remains of the dragons. Because even with the gnoses, the archons have no real authority over their elements and the visions are only handed through them. Mean while Neuvilette after reclaiming his power and authority, granting hydro visions are by his will alone as he no longer obeys to the edicts of Celestia. Now everytime he grants a vision, he will impart a tiny portion of his power to them, very much the same way a vision is normally granted, but the recepient has to be acknowledged by him instead of Celestia Also the giant serpent (Elynas) the melusines live in were a cosmic creature that didn't originally belong to Teyvat, based on what he told us

Do you understand metaphorical speech?

​​@@thecommentguy9380archons and gods are not remnants of sovereigns as neuvillette called them ursupers so that mean they're connected to celestia. And gods able to use elements, morax, beelzebul, guoba, oasial all using elements even before they were archon. Guizhong and havria using non traditional elements like dust and salt. Deshret was even called master of all elements. Dragon authority clearly has nothing to do with their innate powers at all

@@Kenken-iq4liseems you misunderstand, no i did not imply the gods and archons need the power of the dragons to use the elements. They can control the elements, just not to the extent of having complete control over them, like how Egeria with the gnosis couldn't turn her Oceanids into true humans, but only partially. What sets the archons from other gods however, is having the authority over their element (see Neuvillette's voice-over on Electro Archon), but as mentioned before, only partial

Actually Hoyo always drops important lore in world-quests and even in places with no quests at all, like the Khaenri'ah/Abyss language murals in random spots in the world. So this is very important information, since looking it up, Heimarmene is a irl god of Fate, and since Visions are related to fate and it is said it bounds you to fate, it's fair to assume this Heimarmene is the one responsible for the Visions. As for the Dream, that part is also important since it was revealed in the quest that people with strong enough dreams and wills have the power to influence the world simply with their strong willpower, like oceaninds creating things from their imagination and Rene/Narzissenkreuz becoming what he was due ot his own will. And it was also implied that Traveller has a strong enough will to change the fate of the entire world, which probably ties back to the Loom of Fate

Thats already confirmed