I’m guessing sore winners are the result of angry people who are fed up on losing over and over so when they win they lash out on the losing players.

I attach electric wires to my nipples. Every second I'm in chase the current gets stronger and stronger. It's the only way to get better at the game, every match of DBD is a literal fight for my life

"Trash p100 Oni ez game go next" A survivor said to me after 4 escaped...I even put ggwp first. Some people, will just simply never be happy

You also gotta remember not everyone else playing DBD is in their twenties. Some of them are 14. And you can tell, because there is a noticeable increase in people being shitheads during fall, spring, winter break times.

The whole waiting at the exit gate for the entire countdown is one of the most baffling confusing forms of passive aggressive behavior I’ve ever seen. It literally makes no sense at all.

another thing I'll point out is that lead to the perception of survs as being more toxic is that survs have more "explicit" ways to be toxic - tunneling and camping are mechanically incentivized and it can be hard to tell the difference between "This guy is tunneling because he's an asshole" and "This guy is tunneling because 3 gens just popped and he needs pressure", while a survivor dropping bags and clicking their flashlight after getting 1 pallet stun is pretty obvious

Carrying a survivor to a hatch and closing it is probably the most egregious version of this I've seen.

This video was made as a DIRECT ATTACK to the Quentin that spun Scott.

The only thing that really gets to me about sore winners is just the refusal to be honest with themselves. The "tbagging at the gates and waiting for the killer isnt bm" crowd are the dumbest people in this game. I dont normally go into endgame chat to argue with people but yesterday I had a group that played for GOJ in a four man with bgp (run what you want but dont be an ass about it) and swore up and down they didnt want GOJ after tbagging at the gates while I just wanted a daily. Lo and behold I get them again an hour later and they play a map offering to Borgo, they die at 5 and dont GG back. Shocker.

ngl slugging a sabo squad for the kill is poetic - i like it. the 0 hook 4k lmfao

i think its bad that this is the most wholesome community you've been in

The amount of matches where I make the conscious decision to not hook someone again right away even if I find them fully healed so they won't cry about "tunneling" only for a 4 man escape when I had 8 hooks and still t-bag and say shit like "ez" on post-game chat is staggering.

Dbd is the only game I have ever played where I have seen someone be a sore winner when they have actually lost the match.

I just like to think I’m playing against 4 Eric Cartmans who are just whiny

Reasons behind a sore winner: Scott: Overcoming something that a person perceived as unfair. Me: Some people just want to watch the world burn.

It really boils down to entitlement, refusal to admit one's wrongs, and not understanding what led to the win. People genuinely refuse to believe they're bad and that it wasn't the map/perks that hard carried them. There's a reason the same perks are run, the same maps are burnt for. Mostly by survivors. Not to mention it's 4v1 in game, and the chat. Sometimes the other players will call out the other(s) for being a dick, but more often than not they'll straight up enable the behavior and join in. Can't tell you how often I've gone for 12 hook only to be met with pure vitriol. However, if I play to win and match the energy I'm still a noob killer who I should [insert insult here]. You can't win against those types of players.

Just last week i was playing knight for adept against a ttv. I 4ked but tried to play nicely without tunneling, proxying, etc. and i only used my power to patrol and bother gens rather than the boring anti loop style But despite that the ttv called me sweaty, a tunneler, a loser etc etc I went to their chat to say "hey, im sorry it was a tough match, i wouldve given hatch if not for the adept, i had fun and i hope you did too, and i hope theres no hard feelings" and he apologized in turn saying hes been having one bad match after another and was just generally frustrated with the game. He also said my skin was really cool uwu Point is, whether youre the frustrated one or on the receiving end of someone's frustration, you never know what the other player is going through and should show kindness regardless. The best way to stop the cycle of players making each other angry is by being good sports, showing kindness, and not giving in to our rude thoughts. Its our job as the community to make the community a nicer place for everyone, so do your part no matter how small it may be.

Yeah, even as a survivor main, I have to admit, some of us are little shits who will teabag and flame the killer for so much as breathing in their direction. I can understand being upset if the killer played like a dick, but the amount of times I see solo-queue teammates teabagging a killer who went out of their way to play as nice as possible makes my blood boil. Not saying killers don't do similar things (they absolutely do) but you get to see it way more often with survivors, and usually completely unprovoked.

Excellent take. I recall Otzdarva saying something in a video once along the lines of "Be humble in victory, and be gracious in defeat". That's a lesson that's good, not just for DBD or any game/sport, but in life in general. Also, people who are sore winners should remember that there's only one "best in the world" at something. Unless you're that "one", there's always someone out there better than you are, and you may run up against them at some point.

Scott is objective… i recently just got dbd for PC and in no other game do i constantly get steam comments on my profile of people just crying and complaining, now ofc there are people like this everywhere specifically in dbd like 1 out of 5 matches there is always someone so rude in endgame chat and then comment on my profile with nothing but negativity. Community is 100% toxic

its most annoying when you play killer and the gates are open but every surv waits till the last second of the endgame collapse to leave, ik you could push them out but I dont want to give them the satisfaction of tbaging at the end

As someone who's also been in the COD, R6, OW, LOL, SMITE, and other various other known toxic communities,, DBD is definitely up there IMO lol.

I mean, I generally agree with pretty much everything said here, minus one part. I (personally) hate the idea of "if you want to have an enjoyable match and not get tunneled out of your mind you didn't bring the -right build-" I've always hated the idea of NEEDING to bring a build almost 100% of the time just to avoid one person who could just.... not do that. It's like "let's just not be able to use 50% of the perks because I wanna bring DS" *DS buys you nothing because of poor map rng, killer redowned you and kills you anyway. "Okay well then I'll bring deliverance, OTR, and DS every match!" But like... that's just as lame as seeing pop, pain res, sloppy every game too. There should definitely be a much bigger effort to find a way to make the game more dynamic and feel like you're not throwing if you do it.

I find it kinda interesting scott gets more sore winners as killer than as survivor. The only times I really get sore winners is on killer and its usually when I do something EXTREME, and I dont mean dbd entitled surv main extreme (which usually means you didnt actually even do it) I mean like extremes like slugging for long long periods or camping pretty hard or something equally BM'y. As a survivor however, I have gotten so many sore winners playing against killers for usually just playing the game, looping too long, cleansing their favorite hex, using certain perks etcetc.

This matches pretty well with reality. I've had quite a few friends that say that the Killer is "tunneling", when in reality he has hooked someone else and they even got healed, but they still say they were tunneling for no reason. And you guessed it, the worse the player, the more he complains. Players who are good rarely complain about tunneling, and often even want the Killer to tunnel them (me for example, but not because I'm good, just because I love chases).

The toxicity in dbd is so cheesy it’s funny honestly, “omg he’s tbagging and flash light clicking” 😂

Years ago, when I started playing the game, your channel got recommended to me and I asked you about this because I have a hard time with the sore winning. Bag me at a pallet, bag me after a stun, do the weird spinning wave that they're doing now, I don't care. But rubbing in a win always felt weird. I've never really gotten better at taking it tbh, especially as the community is so anti-tunnel and I go out of my way to try and make the games "fair" even at my detriment. But I never came back to say thanks because in a lot of ways, you being so chill about it helped me mellow. I always just say "gg wp" and move on, unless I have something actually positive to say.

Little Scott sure was playing pretty good for wearing that blindfold the whole match!

Scott Rants are my favorite lunch content

I love when Scott is reacting to Batman playing DbD!

random thought. why doesnt BHVR remove the ability to crouch at the exit gates? also maybe point / beckon potentially. might be a good idea?

I think the only time it’s ok to be “sore” in a game is if the game genuinely robs you of something or being sore with yourself if you mess up when you hold yourself to high standards

Scott do the Scott shaker

I agree with you on the community being not as toxic as some. However the problem is that the gameplay itself breeds toxicity. Merely playing to win in some cases can be seen as toxic behaviour. Tunnelling being the most obvious culprit. This gets confused for toxic behaviour and thus the level of toxicity within the community is misjudged,

I actually don’t mind it if players easily beat me. Whether it be as Killer or Survivor. But what does tilt me a lot if when they deliberately stall. Such as just waiting by the exit during endgame or just watching someone bleed out after everyone else has been eliminated

Very sound theory there Scott. Love it.

am I a sore winner if im pissed after winning a chase with a backrub instead of a cool curve

Not sure been a few years since I played but it was the only game I had to go private on Playstation to stop the kill yourself messages every time someone didn't like how a match went.

Scott what do you think about ds "buff" - not 5 sec stun?

Scott gets it. These are my thoughts exactly, I just have a hard time explaining to people what I'm really trying to say and this video was worded perfectly.

The only time i tbag at exit gates is when i or a teammate successfully gets to one after being camped/tunneled not when we get a 4 man escape, i usually feel bad for them and leave my item behind as a parting gift

I wonder if solo Q has any effect on the “sore winner” theory (going off the assumption that majority of soloQ games are lost, or the soloQ player is the last alive and felt they’ve accomplished something over everyone else that died. But also according to dbd article 433 where the average win rate is almost 60% (The top killers almost reaching 70% while the lower ones are at 51 & 54 percent). Which I think could also be a factor for “sore winners” for survivor. This honestly was a great topic.

Reminds me of yesterday, I was playing Bubba and just having fun, got a 2k, but then this one Nea just sat in the exit gates waiting, and I wanted to go next so I went over to "watch her leave" and she still waited because she wanted me to forcefully push her out. Like, she sat there for 4 mins (someone was on hook) instead of leaving.

I quote, and i cannot express this enough - "Again" "Let me reiterate" "Again"

i dont tbag but i stayed at the exit cause u get more bp the longer youre in the game, not sure if still a thing tho

then theres people like angrypug, idk if he still does it but i remember he made t-bagging his thing and always did it just because whenever

Scott speaks my language on a lot of topics. I love that we often agree on things and I couldn't agree more about this topic. I never BM as killer or survivor because those that do it regularly are probably immature and have 12 yr old mindsets. It's just a game. I can count on one hand the times I've teabagged and each of them was because the killer was a jerk first yet we somehow overcame.

I think the other thing that's hugely forgotten about during this conversation is the fact sometimes youre matched up against 3 or 4 man high MMR survivor squads or Iridescent rank killer for your first match of the day. When you're an ash killer or survivor no less Encountering that pretty frequently will make you eventually go down the Tbag/Slug rabbit hole when you finally manage to win. That doesn't make it okay but there are so many things on the systematic level that dbd needs to work on

Will you really the opnion of the guy who got spun?

Honestly, being a sore looser is one thing. Its understandable salt, because many losses in a row can be exhausting mentally. But being a sore winner, is just mega cringe. Congratulations, your bullyed a new player or a player who was just trying to relax.

Funny enough, when I was climbing to iridescent I sent good game messages to everyone I played against who was on the same console as me. I found that when players lost they were far less likely to respond with another good game message. When I would get a four-man swf on the same console, I found that I was far more likely to get responses from one or all of them if I lost the game, but if I got a 4K I would almost never get a response. This was the case for solo que gamers as well. I got the occasional shit talker too, but those were rare.

I've definitely slugged a sabo squad before. Not because I felt like it was impossible to win, but because it was annoying. I don't see a problem with that

sometimes I win, sometimes I lose, but at all times I'm sore because I slipped and fell this morning.

Survivor reasons to be a sore winner, if the killer does any of the following: Playing a killer they don't like Using a perk they don't like Sent to a map they don't like Using a charm/cosmetic they don't like Hooking the same person twice in a row without hooking someone else first Chasing the same person for more than 30 seconds Didn't leave the hook soon enough or stayed near the hook Coming back to the hook after a save instead of going after someone on the other side of the map Trying to avoid/bypass someone who is bodyblocking Downing someone who bodyblocked with BT Kicked/patrolled gens too much Left somebody on the ground too long Found somebody that was trying to be stealthy Looked at the wall when picking up, or otherwise avoided being blinded Avoided/predicted/countered a perk/build the survivor was trying to use Existing Breathing Standing Killer reasons to be a sore winner, if the survivors do any of the following: Using a perk they don't like Using an item they don't like Using a survivor/charm/cosmetic they don't like Having a username they don't like Sent to a map they don't like Suspected of being in a party Vault the same window several times Get too many pallet stuns Get too many grasp escapes/saves Last more than 30 seconds in chase Crouching of any manner Any kind of gesture of any kind Try to bodyblock for any reason Doing gens too close to the killer Being too helpful to their team Not being helpful enough to their team Trying to play stealthy or being too difficult to find Being too brazen and trying to get the killer's attention Making too many noise notifications Dodging/trying to dodge a killer's attack Rescue a teammate too close to the killer Avoided/predicted/countered a perk/build/power the killer was trying to use Existing Breathing Standing

I am constantly getting messages from survivors who go out of there way to look up my xbox account just to tell me that I'm trash at a killer.

I think it mainly comes from people who play only one side - eventually they get to the point where they don't see people queuing up for the opposite role as people anymore, just another 'Killer' or 'Survivor' that they see as their mortal enemy with little regard to any actual person behind the screen

idk if it's just cuz I'm dumb but I always saw the tea bagging at the exit gate as a funny little gg and I never got mad at it. If anything it made me feel better but that might just be me.

Ever since cross console i rarely get anything in post game or on my steam profile

The power difference in sore winners is pretty vast though. The most survivors can do to me is tea bag in the exit gate and I smack them out. A killer bleeding you out for 4 minutes is just wasting your time and you can do *nothing* about it short of just disconnecting. (Speaking of, just had a game where the killer was a Twins and absolutely was not hooking anyone and just deciding to bleed out so I disconnected because the 1 minute penalty is shorter than sitting there for the full bleed out timer.)

In my opinion there’s “tunneling” and tunneling, survivors who get unhooked sometimes stay injured and run to do gens and a killer will run around a while and then find them or a group and go for them cause they are the injured one and the survivor goes down and gets mad and then there’s the people who straight up follow you after first hook at 3-4 gens

ive been playing alot of trapper just using agi and lightborn cuz its funny quite frequently i get tbagged at the exit gates which doesnt really bother me at all i dont expect to win at all playing with no slowdowns and trying not to tunnel

You can point, u can click,tbag, hit on hook,etc. But once the gate is opened, like good sportsmanship. I always say gg. Good luck next match, a compliment. Regardless of what role i play. But holy moly some of these people make it hard sometimes.

I once got bleed out by a knight player doing a 3 gen because it took too long to finally down me, because he kept leaving chase... to 3 gen... like you can't make these up.

I went against a sabo, boil over, no mither squad a few weeks ago. Even if it was in my favor for three survivors to harass me while one guy did gens, I perceived it as obnoxious. Even if it was a long process, I had no hook for them, so I slug camped them (because of no mither). I may have been a sore winner when I finally had a handle on them, but yeah, it felt like I had overcome a tough challenge, and they had come to harass me. Like, they had come out swinging, and I was like “two can play this game” or “you messed with the bull now here’s the horns.”

I'm 100% tbagging every double iri blight I manage to somehow escape against

I would make it where teabags block the exit gate for 10 seconds for the teabagger.

How about the p100 nurses who slug 5 minutes at 5 gens and refuse to pick anybody up and hook them, and after that saying "gg" in end game chat?

I don't even remember a sore killer winner

This is right and something I’ve observed in myself. You wouldn’t let someone take control or your arms and legs, why would you give them unfiltered access to your emotions and mind?

I only do toxic things if toxic things are done to me first, and even then, I have to decide if I even care to do so.

Idk but this is the only cross play game where I have ppl from other platforms come and try to message me with fake accounts. No other games I played at least has done this

I'm a killer main and I don't go to the exist gates when they are open anymore. If you want to lose some time waiting for me to appear and tbag me, you can wait all you want, I don't mind losing some minutes

can you win whle tbagging 100% of the time?

Sometimes it's just playstyles that people find annoying even if they can beat it

definitely agree. I really like your take on "not toxic but bad sportsmanship" bc a vast majority of people I play against are super chill when they speak in end game chat. with that said, Im still new to the game (~150 hours) so I lose a lot, so it took me a while to get over seeing survivors being disrespectful and tbagging at the end gate, but now it bothers me less. one memorable game I had, I got tbagged at the exit gates and everyone escaped. I was super frustrated, to the point that I was about to type something salty in end game chat (which I have never done), but I swallowed my pride and said gg instead. and the steve was super chill and told the other survivors that the tbagging wasnt cool and told me I played well. then the other survivors were chill in endgame chat too, even though they were just tbagging me. I remember that steve way more than any given survivor who tbagged me so if you ever get a see an opportunity to be nice to someone in end game chat, go for it! it doesnt take much kindness to cancel out a lot of negativity.

Had a Unknown slug me and a Jake in Haddonfield until we bled out. Had plenty of hooks nearby and could have easily ended the game faster but decided we deserved to bleed out for some reason.

Im not gonna lie, Im aware Im not great at the game, so when things are challenging, and I overcome it, I dont really react to it. I sit there after the game and think about what happened that changed the flow of the match. Something happened during the game that gave me the upper hand. What was that thing and how did it help? Most of the time, I wont be able to and where as that makes me feel bad. However, when that inevitably happens, I actually ask the survivors what they think I could have done better. (Most of the time theres no answer or people just flat out troll) One time someone told me that I was over+committing to chases I had no justifiable reason to extend. I took that into account and can happily say that my ive attempted to learn how to "weigh the chase" as in to say if I feel that the particular chase is giving others too much space or that its taken too long I'll just move on.

As killer I'm insulted if I don't see teabags in the exit gate

I got bled out by a scratch mirror myers because my whole team dc at 5 gens 😐

The reason is I can play with DS, DH, Windows and Distortion...all my matches but I noticed I escape alone, and makes altruism harder....makes these games more boring specially going against Trapper, Wraith, etc you know those mid tier killers, but if I try a more relaxed build like Botany, Bond, WGLF, maybe nefted MFT then you get those insane P100 killers or Nurse/Blight - I guess all im saying is I wish we got the info on the killer or to know if we wanna game or really compete

In a scenario where the killer intentionally avoids unsportsmanlike play, and survivors still act as sore winners, is this always routed in douchebaggery or are they trapped in a bad habit which they developed from playing against unsporting killers?

Great video but why is your room smothered in vaseline

Sore winners tend to stab themselves in the feet by staying in when certain perk triggers

That's exactly it and a bit of the chain reaction from other matches. I am a very strong survivor and I find myself teabagging more than not at the exit, but I've only ever justified it if I see the killer doing something or playing absolutely scummy. I especially do it when they try to facecamp/tunnel me and fail and so that will always be my response in the exit. But never really thought of the idea that maybe the reason they're trying to play scummy or why they are bm'ing me, is because of something in their previous match. There's an argument to be said that they shouldn't be taking things from one match to another. Like I wouldn't get facecamped out of the game at 5 gens and then go and demolish a baby killer and teabag him in the gate when they had nothing to do with my previous match.

And there's me, 8 hooks, no kills with all 4 tbagging at the gate

I've had so many sore winners in this game, like they win and they're still salty, at this point i just click next and get out before they even get a chance to write an essay or talk shit in chat lmao

Where's your iconic BreatheRight strip and Ghostface costume?

Ive never understood being tunneled as being annoying, the most enjoyable part of the game is being chased so if I'm being chased all game then that's just a win in my books. Obviously there are certain times where tunneling means u are killed quickly but most of the time I only see it as a good thing because I'm participating in the most enjoyable part of the game. Being chased.

Playing killer sent me right back to playing survivor. T-bagging at the exit gate is aggravating or whatever but constant end-game chat toxicity when they win / checking my profile and making personal attacks is why I set my profile private. Might have to go private to do killer challenges. Inb4 I don't purposely camp/tunnel run meta etc

I think that's the reason why survivors are more likely to be sore winners. It's the harder role so it's hard to just escape once if you're new.

i've played DBD for a good long while now, which according to my PS App is about 1605 hours as of writing this. and i've not had much in the ways of sore winners. though i have had people who tbag at exit gate sometimes. but the one sore winner i really had, was during a match where i played as Tiffany on Haddonfield i believe. i get a 3K & then looking for the last survivor. now i'm not gonna resort to say they were cheating, but i couldn't find them whatsoever. anyway. i end up finding the hatch to close it, and i patrol the exit gates. then somehow, one of them got opened. and t he last survivor was tbagging all the way out more or less. and then after the match, they messaged me cause we were on PSN. and they spouted all kinds of crap, talking bout how they outsmarted me and bitching bout my perks. and what makes this even more stupid and also kinda pathetic. is they were playing in anonymous mode. and here they are, messaging me showing me who they are. and they were in a SWF as well, cause someone else who was on PSN. i was talking to them (who btw was super chill) told me they were in a SWF and it was a friend of theirs

I played siege for the first time in years and an hour in I was invited to an enemy team’s party so they could all tell me to off myself one after another

“People of all creeds” lol

One of the only times I bled survivors out for the full 4 minutes was when I was playing this stupid-ass RPD match, and I had killed 2 players with 3 gens remaining. They managed to do 1 of em, then stealthed around. I thought alright I’ll just go patrol the gens for a bit and find em, and after like 15 minutes of checking every corner anywhere near the gens, I found them crouching and just hiding out near the banisters in the main building, so after I finally found them, after they had wasted my time by literally doing nothing, I wasted their time and bled em out for 4 minutes while I went and got a cinnamon roll. I wouldn’t have even dreamt of doing it if they hadn’t been planning to just sit there hiding and wasting my time when they had already lost

i only teabag when i get tunneled and escape. killer i hit them on hook when they flashlight click and teabag after they drop a pallet

If you have 1 sore winner per match, 4 in 5 times that player will be a survivor. I was slugged and relentlessly humped by a Huntress once because of something on my stream profile (I know this because they left a comment), no hard feelings; when playing killer survivors sometimes let comments telling me I'm trash at the game, or that I tunneled/ camped them, some wholesome survivors call me cute/ good sport, some killers call me baby surv ez, some compliment my looping; you get all kinds of people. I agree DBD does have a mostly wholesome community, not even just by comparison, me and all people that I've become acquainted with through DBD have mostly positive interactions in the game. I truly believe that players who think DBD is full of toxicity either: don't know what toxicity is; play in ways that invite toxic behaviour; or forget about the neutral/ positive interactions and only remember the negative ones. I guess playing CoD and CS:GO in the past made me not care about what dumb kids say.

to be fair i only do it if they killer is running 2+ slow downs, like how much do you need to be carried oh yeah over half of them

i dont understand the sore part

I will slug survivors under a single circumstance and that's if they repeatedly run to an area with boil over where I have no chance of hooking them. I'll try the first time and if they run back to that spot, I leave them there. Outside of that, I don't even go to the exit gates in end game unless I can guarantee a down

from my experience this happens way too much even without any provocation from the other side. sure, if the killer tunnels someone out at 5 gens and then still plays so bad that they get 3 man outded, who cares, BM them at the gate and "gg ez" them, I get it. but there is so many games where people are just being assholes for absolutely no reason, several examples that all happened within the last few weeks of me playing: - I was playing solo survivor, we got a deathslinger that was clearly not very experienced, only got 4 hooks or so and everyone escaped. random teammates in the endgame chat were like "gg ez lol, so bad, deathslinger? more like flopslinger haha" - no reason for that but being an asshole. - I was playing doc and got garden of joy, I played fair despite the shit map but still got "gg ez'd - you suck" in the endgame chat, as if wininng on the most surv sided map in the game against an M1 killer was anything sepcial. similar thing also happend a few days ago where I was playing nurse for a daily, I'm a bad nurse so I got 4 man outed and holy shit these people were so mad simply because I was playing nurse, the BM simply for my killer pick that I'm not even good with was insane. I could name even more examples and I also see this quite often on streams I watch, sometimes one side just gets overly aggressive for no reason. that's what sore winners are for me, you had a completely normal game, you won, yet you're being a massive asshole about it. it's somthing I just don't understand.