Sorry, but Apple TV 4K (2022) Quick Media Switching is a LETDOWN

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Жыл бұрын

We tested the Quick Media Switching (QMS) function on the Apple TV 4K (2022) box together with an LG G3 OLED.
Quick Media Switching is an HDMI 2.1a feature that promises to eliminate AV blackouts, but only when the frame rate is changed, not when there's a switch in resolution or dynamic range formats.
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@MrDexterSr Жыл бұрын

That’s why this is one of my favorite TV channels, it covers things that no other channel covers!

@Luhiner Жыл бұрын

whats the point of having apple tv box if there is an app on tvs ?

@WellFedProductions Жыл бұрын

@@Luhiner They are not the same thing

@MrDexterSr Жыл бұрын

@@Luhiner I can only speak for myself, but the power of Apple TVs make using them for media consumptions so much smother, from quickly opening and switching apps, to using airplay, to even controlling your smart home!

@spacecadet2172 Жыл бұрын

@@Luhinerthe apps are better quality, there’s more variety of apps, the upscaling of content is better, the Apple TV does frame matching, keyboard input is much easier on AppleTV because you can use your phone (syncs passwords as well etc). It’s a night and day difference in user experience.

@spacecadet2172 Жыл бұрын

A lot of channels don’t even have a firm grasp of the concepts Vincent covers, even if they aspired to cover them

@datdudeinred Жыл бұрын

This dude is just another level in terms of truthful journalism. 👏❤️

@The_Primary_Axiom Жыл бұрын

Rare thing today to get honest journalism. You have to dig deep for them and weed through the shills and paid off journalists.

@DJaquithFL Жыл бұрын

Speaking for myself the "QMS-VRR" [POPUP] is far worse and much more annoying than the completely blackout pause you get switching between output resolutions. So hopefully there's a way to turn that notification off!!!

@josefb7449 Жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking. They should have just put the ”QMS-VRR” text inside the smaller HDR/Dolby vision popup. The current popup is way too annoying.

@bryanamos5425 10 ай бұрын

Thank you for this video and detailed explanation. It helped resolve my issue between my Apple TV 4k box and my new LG TV.

@CodeWarrior01 8 ай бұрын

Many thanks for the details on what was going on. Great detail.

@Rosas18745 Жыл бұрын

Great Informative video, thank you for sharing. I got LG GX, Denon S970H, ‘22 Apple TV 4K, Zeskit Xtech 8’ & 3’ cables and after todays Apple TV update I no longer run into the black out issue.

@Cab895 Жыл бұрын

wow this was ridiculously informative. Thank you!!

@vigour6786 Жыл бұрын

I was looking at buying one yesterday and have my eyes set still, and then today you put this video up! Good timing Vincent

@zrohit 2 ай бұрын

Thank you Vincent for this video. Question: With Apple TV is there a way to see the Video resolution (LG TV)? thanks

@ddrfire 5 ай бұрын

Solved my problem thank you!!!

@dvdny Жыл бұрын

Excellent description, thank you.

@brandonlowell117 2 ай бұрын

I've been struggling this problem for far too long until I stumbled upon your video after an extensive internet search led me through Reddit to you. Thank you for the switch to settings on LG TV which solved my issue. I have both Liked and subscribed!

@amangaming5760 Жыл бұрын

The planets need to align to get it to work... Wait, that's happening tonight...😂

@janswienink Жыл бұрын

Good explanation! Although I must say for Apple TV 4K, for me it feels like the frame rate is more important for most home users, because it’s conversion of sdr to Dolby vision or HDR is really well. As in I have the feeling that how Apple converts it, it is still really close to how the creator intended it to look, only with a bit more punch. It seems if you are going to convert image (what most consumers will do, for extra punch) Apple TV’s algorithms does it a lot better and more natural than the television. How do you feel about this?

@Coollok100 Жыл бұрын

Great coverage! Hope LG bring this feature to their older TVs through a firmware update

@bruceb84 11 ай бұрын

Vincent - thank you mate! Watching your video has been very informing. Thank you so much - I was getting upset with the new G3!!

@MassivePaper Жыл бұрын

OOO thanks vincent, I have an old sony x900e and was having pretty nasty colours due to tone mapping (apple 4k 2022) was in 4kHDR by default, seems milage may vary but based on my own experience, having the apple 4k set to HDR without range swapping was a net negative for SDR content.

@MJ-92 Жыл бұрын

I would love to see you review, in excruciating detail, the "MadVR Envy" video processor and see if it's really worth the exorbitant price (which I highly doubt); It would make for an interesting video I think.

@a9fc Жыл бұрын

It's weird. I never minded the blackouts. It's not like I'm constantly switching in and out of menu, etc. I'd be setting for most accurate image/colour as opposed to minimising blackout.

@dubpynchon1 6 ай бұрын

Great video thanks

@maperez12 Жыл бұрын

I personally find this setting useful for SDR sports. Some services output at 59.94 while others output at 60.00. This change causes a blackout. You could leave your ATV in SDR with match DR and FR (like an AV enthusiast would). Since you don’t change dynamic ranges then it wouldn’t have a blackout. I’m guessing in Europe you will also appreciate this if you change a lot from 60 to 50 Hz as well. Then again I don’t know if you all have HDR sports via streaming widely available. Here in America we still have ESPN with glorious 720p.

@spacecadet2172 Жыл бұрын

If you have the ATV set to SDR then you get the screensavers in SDR only which is a huge loss

@skttrbrains Жыл бұрын

Great content, love it

@ardenaudreyarji 9 күн бұрын

I love this channel man.

@JohnnyBravoGn Жыл бұрын

If that's the case I don't mind not having the QMS.

@Christiande1979 Жыл бұрын

Hi Vincent 😉 One further Question: Is it possible to apply TrueMotion (MotionInterpolation), while QMS is activated?

@asafblasbergvideographer Жыл бұрын

It definitely reduces the blackout.

@pavelsalva2327 Жыл бұрын

Perfect video 🙏🏻🙏🏻 would love to see apple tvs hdr10+ vs dolby Vision difference since it got support for Hdr10+

@daikucoffee5316 Жыл бұрын

I appreciate you making these informative videos trying to bring useful information to the jungle on modern standards , but the already foggy landscape of specifications is getting out of hand. Manufacturers need to get their shit together.

@daniele6mitico 10 ай бұрын

Hi, have you had the opportunity to compare Fire TV 4K with Appla TV 4K and see if there is any difference in image quality?

@philmichaels9364 Жыл бұрын

I thought I had a bad appletv. Went to Best Buy and got another one. Thanks to you, I was able to find the problem. The thing is: k don’t have the option of Qms under hdmi settings . I setup the Apple TV on another tv… How can I make the option to pop up?

@kokolala2521 Жыл бұрын

Wow thx for the info, gonna sub

@lakorai2 Жыл бұрын

nVidia needs to despirately upgrade and replace the nVidia Shield Pro. But with them gimping GameStream and then not having a real replacement to the Tegra X1+ I have my doubts. About the only use I have for an AppleTV is you can lock them down with an MDM and they support Proxies out of the box. Proxy support makes them a better solution for use on corporate networks.

@gregalee Жыл бұрын

@HDTVTest Hey Vincent, I have not seen this question answered anywhere before. If you are using an Apple TV 4K (any generation) you have the option of choosing YCbCr, RGB High or RGB Low for your HDMI Output type under Settings > Video and Audio. Is there any advantage of one over any of the others? I still have my crusty old LG B6 and use RGB Low with Black Level set to Low in the LG settings. Any advice on the setting for the highest picture quality you can give here would be appreciated!

@tears2040 Жыл бұрын

I was having similar problems as well with a connected Samsung 8K 85” tv, I ultimately returned the AppleTv because was having too many issues.

@allansh828 Жыл бұрын

May I ask, why does Apple TV offer beyond the WebOS/Android system that comes with your TV?

@mainsource8030 Жыл бұрын

same, i have a 78 in samsung ks9800 and have the same problem, flashing picture, so i use the nvidia shield mostly

@testi2025 Жыл бұрын

I have AppleTV on 4K Dolby Vision with my Phillips Oled and have not noticed blackouts.

@HoldandModify Жыл бұрын

Actually. Your “not tip” about setting the ATV to Dolby Vision and turning off match dynamic range is a brilliant setting. It nearly removes all blackout for us non QMS users. It makes the entire operation more fluid and no more annoying blackouts. HDR content tone maps perfectly to DV as far as my eye can tell. SDR does much the same. Have not noticed any issues. What I have noticed is no more LG art gallery images popping up when I play content! :)

@zcqian Жыл бұрын

SDR feels much brighter on my TV if configured this way.

@HoldandModify Жыл бұрын

@@zcqian it is if directly compared but it matches the brightness of DV levels in a way that doesn’t seem offending. At least to me.

@Brockthedog315 Жыл бұрын

When I set up my appletv 4k 2022 it set up Dolby vision during the process. This also left off match frame rate and content. All works perfectly for me with these settings.

@kristofferabild Жыл бұрын

Most of the content I consume via Apple TV is SDR, so I would see a benefit to it. I would have liked some more example from the YT app or others SDR sources.

@MysteryMii Жыл бұрын

The resolution of the video shouldn’t have any blackout effect with QMS. The Apple TV is the one that’s doing the upscaling here, not the TV. Therefore, playing any video that’s in the same dynamic range as the default output with match dynamic range enabled that’s lower than 4K should not result in any blackouts because the output resolution is not being changed.

@hdtvtest Жыл бұрын

@MysteryMii: Good point. We were referring to the resolution change on Apple TV UI, as shown at 3:35 in this video.

@maperez12 Жыл бұрын

@@hdtvtest on one hand there is no reason why the ATV should change resolution. However, this feature would not have helped with sources that change the resolution, I’m thinking like back in the day with cable TV, some STB would change resolution based on the channel (1080i or 720p) and that change was annoying. This made DIRECTV encode all channels in 1080i so users wouldn’t have that annoying change, but maybe I’m getting old.

@haegeland Жыл бұрын

This is important for people that uses a media box that supports resolution switching to allow the TV to do the upscaling like Kodi on a HTPC or Nvidia Shield.

@reactorre 9 ай бұрын

I feel like we need a full review of the quality of image of the new apple tv 4k 2022.

@user-gz6gv2os2m 10 ай бұрын

I have a Apple 🍎 TV but I used the lg CX 77 native internal apps. Less issues and the sound and picture is virtually the same as the Apple TV

@USEC3 Жыл бұрын

Would love to know if Apple "fixed" the color calibration function on thei apple TV since your last video from 2 years ago

@Christiande1979 Жыл бұрын

Hi Vincent 😉 Another Question: On your Video, I see there is a short Pause (freeze frame) when you Start the Playback within the Disney+ App… For Example at Position: 00:05:00 Is this happening because of QMS is enabled or is this just a „Bug“ in the Disney+ App? Could you test it in another App and confirm that the „Switch“ is completely invisible with no „freeze Frame“ with QMS enabled?

@Demonomania87 Жыл бұрын

Why is this feature not supported on the 2nd or 1st generation Apple TV 4k? They all have HDMI 2.1 ports.

@Sandurz Жыл бұрын

Hearing the click of the remote when he shows menu navigations while still narrating always trips me out in headphones

@zxcvb_bvcxz Жыл бұрын

Wonder how much faster this would be without HDCP.

@kadajawi2 Жыл бұрын

If you have the new Apple TV, can you test if it can convert Dolby Vision into HDR10+ and if yes, how well it works?

@spacecadet2172 Жыл бұрын

Nothing does that

@48tyler24 Жыл бұрын

It is still better than not having QMS. The black screen was so much quicker. I’m ok with the quick black screen but don’t want the notification for QMS. Currently the black screen can be 3 to 5 seconds.

@jc2126 7 ай бұрын

Are there any receivers or pre/pros with legit QMS now?

@TheBlerman Жыл бұрын

So I always buy Audioquest HDMIs, so should I make the switch to Zeskit?

@Nicholas_Steel Жыл бұрын

Essentially QMS only works for Refresh Rate changes, not resolution nor HDR changes.

@andreaciccarello Жыл бұрын

You "don't" have to change resoluzion, the only problem is HDR/DV

@maxigreenfields Жыл бұрын

What is that stand used on the G3 in this video ?

@ppson Жыл бұрын

Any chance this will come to the C2 as well?

@kunjalpandya7356 7 ай бұрын

What to do with sony x90l

@vincent6210 9 ай бұрын

I should have watched his before setting it up would've saved some time. I was thinking it was hdmi deep colour setting which was putting apple in recovery mode and it took a while for me to figure out it was qms all along😅

@GmanSoul31 Жыл бұрын

hello vincent! What can you tell us about the new firmware update of the LG C1 TV? could that have eliminated the bug with the ASBL?

@nathanhughes4394 7 ай бұрын

I have been leaving my ATV set to DV 60hz as there are now a lot of apps such as Peacock where you will only get the HDR feed when the box is set to either HDR or DV. Also some sports apps will only give you the 4k feed when the unit is forced to 60hz, such as Fox Sports. Even setting the ATV to SDR 4k doesn't fix this. You can see this if you use Xcode and enable the playback HUD. When will all these apps fix these stupidisum! I used to love matching frame rate etc, now I just leave it set.

@miguelalves9625 Жыл бұрын

Hi! Why not enable the 444 pass through on the tv? I did that on mine, so I want to know if I did well 😅

@trevhib Жыл бұрын

Does QMS have any affect on VRR flicker in gaming?

@bigcdub Жыл бұрын

Your smooth media switching to that Promo wasn't a letdown tho, was it?!😂

@LichaelMewis 4 ай бұрын

When is Yamaha going to roll out QMS to their RX-AXA receiver lineup?

@God0f0dd Жыл бұрын

One thing to keep in mind if you use the “purist” setting to match dynamic range of the content being played; this can be very painful if you watch a lot of videos on the KZfaq app - dynamic range and resolutions are all over the place for YT videos, so you might see a lot of black screens as you browse and play videos… note that it even impacts ads, which can be a different format from the video being played. 😐

@spacecadet2172 Жыл бұрын

This has been fixed for quite awhile now on an update for the KZfaq app for AppleTV. Also the output res of AppleTV never changes, it upscales everything to a constant 4K for all content.

@christianhotter Жыл бұрын

@@spacecadet2172 I'll have to enable match dynamic range again to check it out. I disabled the match because my kid was complaining when watching KZfaq.

@Zeeman21 Жыл бұрын

@@spacecadet2172 weil then explain me why the constant blackout when match framrate and dynamic range is on 😂

@nathanregier7403 8 ай бұрын

THIS is exactly my issue with the blackouts. KZfaq is constantly blacking out and it causes you to miss a portion of the video. I also watch NFL on DAZN and I like to switch through different games on Sundays. The blackouts drive me crazy. I’ll be trying this fix for sure.

@wiser3754 Жыл бұрын

Where is the LG OLED 2023 series review Vincent? Surely you have them at home/office?

@amnisakkiz6126 Жыл бұрын

Can you test Samsung TVs how QMS works?

@genxtechguy Жыл бұрын

Apple TV just received an update today (16.4) … maybe some bugs have been fixed? I’m sure this will be improved overtime with firmware/software updates from both companies.

@spacecadet2172 Жыл бұрын

This isn’t a bug. It’s just not something that is supported by the QMS standard. This affects all devices and is not limited to the AppleTV.

@nak0536 Жыл бұрын

Hey man, was wondering could you do an Nvidia shield pro (2023/2022 version) review and maybe a comparison?

@anonymouse8205 11 ай бұрын

I picked up a LG Nano. WebOS is on another level of sloooooow. When plugging in an external USB device it’s like the LG tv has had a stroke. Stuttering and pausing for 10 seconds at a time. Resets and factory wipes sped it up for an hour then back to slowdowns. This is with a 140mbs Ethernet connection. Turned off quick menus and recommendations helped. Removing the USB device helped now I only have to wait 3-4 seconds per menu switch, except when hitting the home button. Either there is something wrong with this Nano or it’s an Apple TV purchase next.

@ToxicF4TE Жыл бұрын

Does Apple TV 4K 3rd gen have better picture/audio quality than the built in TV apps? Especially for audio since you can go direct to AV receiver instead of using eArc?

@WildWildDev 23 күн бұрын

I’ve been looking for the same question also

@massimoolivieri6145 Жыл бұрын

VRR is not limited at 48hz on OLED?

@walkingmanvideo9455 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for making the video, can you please confirm something for me before I make a purchase. If you log into the KZfaq app on the Apple TV 4K, can you see your private and unlisted videos within the app? I ask as our so called smart tv has the youtube app and when logged into it and I select 'my videos' only those videos that are visible, I cant see all my other videos? I have tried this on the PS5 and another smart tv and it appears there must be a limitation with the youtube app on certain devices. The only way I can play my unlisted or private videos is to chromecast the video from my iphone or ipad to the tv which is pointless when the tv already has a youtube app.

@haukurorsson833 Жыл бұрын

In my experience, the best way to stop experiencing blackouts is to stop drinking.

@philkim7777 Жыл бұрын

Would Sourced-Based Tone Mapping (SBTM) eliminate the AV blackout when switching the dynamic range mode?

@CarrotJuice87 8 ай бұрын

Dose apple frame rate match fix the judder on C2 ?

@mainsource8030 Жыл бұрын

I have a 78 in samsung ks9800 with the apple tv gen 3 going through a denon x6400h and have the same problem, flashing picture, so i use the nvidia shield mostly

@gamedan2558 Жыл бұрын

Sadly Zeskit they don't have 10 meters HDMI 2.1 cable was hoping they will have.

@cesareidrian3114 Жыл бұрын

With sonos is the best connecet arc or airplay?

@colebundy5197 Жыл бұрын

Does the 2023 Apple TV fix the SDR green tint when using YCbCr? Does it fix the strobing effect of 24 fps SDR content?

@c-samleystudios1573 28 күн бұрын

Not sure what the strobing thing you’re talking about is, but I can confirm YCbCr still has a green tint and RGB High fixes it.

@chintupat9161 Жыл бұрын

hi it will come to g2 via update ?

@38201270298 Жыл бұрын

How to summon this vrr panel?

@eugenn2848 Жыл бұрын

"It just works" they said.

@pedropaulo7922 Жыл бұрын

G3 review for when?

@markkelsall6324 Жыл бұрын

On an LG c9, do you need to change the source to 'pc' to access 444 chroma with apple tv, like you have to do with an Xbox series x?

@dgtheone Жыл бұрын

The latest LG 3.30.67 has just broken my Apple TV 4K.

@user-zz1nu1wj9k Жыл бұрын

Please tell me! Why do you need an Apple TV 4K set-top box for such a modern TV like the LG G3 ??? I have been using the LG G2 for a year now and it fully copes with all the tasks of viewing various content. Maybe I'm not 100% using my TV???

@abavariannormiepleb9470 Жыл бұрын

Does Quick Media Switching work with the latest AV Receivers from the big brands like Denon that have HDMI 2.1? I watch stuff with all kinds of different framerates and am sensitive to stuttering so QMS would be a crucial feature for me.

@andreaciccarello Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately nobody knows because the HDMI have just changed the standard, if a AV supports HDMI 2.1 doesn't mean that it supports QMS - VRR

@teekanne15 Жыл бұрын

Getting Workarrounds for products we cant even buy jet.

@gummibando Жыл бұрын

I don’t get it. Why is this a letdown? Isn’t the feature implemented as per the standard?

@ubacow7109 Жыл бұрын

Can you review some of the new Bluray players?

@Ew00kie Жыл бұрын

i perfer to use my apple 4k 2 gen using 4K SDR but its funny how my apple tv keeps forcing 4k hdr as default after a few days of use. not to mention how youtube keeps locking up after a few days of use and then i am forced to reboot my apple tv to get youtube working properly again and of course changing back to SDR whenever that happens too. my apple 4k 1st gen never did this.

@DavidGasperoni Жыл бұрын

I have a CX, I don’t understand why the tv’s internal apps don’t have a similar approach to frame rate, changing it according to content. Real Cinema option doesn’t appear to do that, at least it only tries to mimic it in my experience, am I correct?

@spacecadet2172 Жыл бұрын

Almost no devices besides the AppleTV have this feature. You get what you pay for.

@DavidGasperoni Жыл бұрын

@@spacecadet2172 i would expect the tv itself, capable of variable frame rate, could do this. I imagine that app developers would have to implement it, but it doesn't appear to be available as an api in webos

@sifisflisk7408 Жыл бұрын

Hi Vincent I am subscriber on your Chanel years now I recently say lg responded with auto dimming issue u mentioned on recent video can I please mention this issue too? The problem is simple. People using macOS cannot by default without paying a for a third party solution write to NTFS formatted drives. And LG OLED TVs do not support any of the macOS proprietary formats like HFS+. The only free and universally working file format is exFAT. This allows for use of files above 4GB (which is a limit of FAT32) and also allows for use on both Macs and PCs. LG should consider adding support for exFAT formatted USB devices and make it easier for the vast number of macOS users to use their USB drives with LG OLED TVs. 🙏

@piotrchwalek6925 Жыл бұрын

If I buy this Tv having already newest Apple TV QMS won't be thing that would convince me to buying it. Nice additions but nowhere near groundbreaking feature.

@Kung_Fu_Kenny Жыл бұрын

Should we be using YCbCr or RGB High on the LG C2?

@BarcelonasHotCrowd 13 күн бұрын

YCbCr

@matthewrudolph3565 Жыл бұрын

Does turning match frame rate on on the new Apple TV 4K still introduce lip sync issues as it does on the original Apple TV 4K?

@brockrohl9961 Жыл бұрын

It does for me on my Sony X90j. The only work around ls for me were to change audio format on the ATV to Dolby Digital (which disables Atmos) or connect the ATV using EARC.

@BarcelonasHotCrowd 13 күн бұрын

It must depend on the TV as I have the LG C2 and with Match Frame On, there's zero lip sync issues

@DinoBijedic Жыл бұрын

Anyone know the TV-stand that Vincent uses for his G3 at 2:07

@americanpaisareturns9051 Жыл бұрын

Any chance you can review the new Samsung UN65CU7000D?

@CriPPleR_HD Жыл бұрын

The greatest sin in this video was Vincent clicking on Love & Thunder so many times. Disney may actually think that someone liked that movie! 😜

@shawoo Жыл бұрын

FYI: KZfaqTV, not regular regular KZfaq, will only display content in 4k if you are on the 2022 4K ATV. Again, I’m talking about KZfaqTV

@brotherbond Жыл бұрын

Hey great video as all ways. Im curious why are the blackouts a big deal? Is there something else that its affecting or is it just about the overall experience with the tv?

@Aleut1 Жыл бұрын

Some apps, like Paramount Plus, will blackout every time it autoplays a video snippet, which makes the interface frustrating to navigate.

@farzadjahanfard Жыл бұрын

I got aptv 4k 2022 for my c9 oled tbh there is no need for this box quality is the same and it is a nightmare with all the bugs it has I sent it back tbh I couldn’t justify the 180£ price tag