I know, right!

Sam Rowett Absolutely dude. It’s incredible, and so is she. Not to mention how perfect Tony Jay’s voice acting is

A LOK and a Valve fan? Marry me, man.

Get it? Cause this game deals with time travel... ok ill go now

She supports joe Biden but otherwise she is awesome

GOLDEN VOICE? IF THAT RASPY EVILNESS COUNTS AS GOLDEN I SERIOUSLY NEED A DICTIONARY BRB

Agreed

Ahem KOTOR2? =)

​@@cyrilvorontsov3335 Not even close

@@cyrilvorontsov3335 You should be ashamed for even suggesting that comparison.

Wow 🤩

i want to go to this timeline

Puffy the Destroyer lmao

@Silent Solitude "But obstructing and leeching off of it is a hate crime".

Raziel wouldn't have a Twitter account. Kain would though.... and an Instagram account.

@@Kelmire1 Kain: "They are not sending their best, they send their crusaders, their drugs, their reapers, and some i assume are good people...we gotta drain the swamp and expose the parasite elder god elite and i promise, we will make Nosgoth great again!"

Or when the Elder God had a colonoscopy! XD

@@mushroomhead3619 That's it, no more yogurt for you, Elder God. 😆😆😆

*Elder God gives a confused look*

Yeah, the reason why Raziel didn't die in the whirlpool was because history abhors a paradox. If he had died there, his soul couldn't fuel the Reaver, which leads to Kain not being able to kill William the Just, etc. - the loop couldn't be closed.

@@tarvoc746 Exactly, which Kain had banked on when he learned Raziel's destiny from Moebius' time spanning devices over the centuries, and how he felt Raziel being alive due to his being able to make paradoxes due to his fate to be in the Soul Reaver would allow him to change both their fates.

Soul Reaver 2 is the game that ties the whole series together. It acts as much as a sequel to Blood Omen as it does to Soul Reaver. Soul Reaver didn't really require knowledge of Blood Omen to understand. The intro cutscene is enough on its own. But SR2 heavily references BO and even has one scene that directly ties in to its intro. Defiance goes on to be based around the events of BO even more. Its story isn't as strong as that in SR2, though.

Wish they'd gone into that more. :/ He's hardly seen in SR and then blown to immeasurable proportions in Defiance, but would his size not be proportionate to the number of souls he's able to feed on (which isn't much at this particular point in time) if he's supposedly "eternally present"? Tells you something about his true nature as opposed to his own words...

raladin3dd The Elder God grew in size exactly for the reasons that Raziel mentions here. He's a parasite and he thrives while Nosgoth dwindles. His intention was always to devour all the souls in the world but he was kept short of that by the immortility with which the Hylden cursed the Vampires. D.R.

@@Teixas666 so he basically lavos

In sr1 hes above raziel

@@Teixas666 Yeah he is aware of the Hylden / Vampire conflict and he profits from it. He doesn't actively support the Hylden, nor the vampires or humans, he is the 3rd party and enjoys the show. The more chaos, the more outcome for him. That's how I see it... HIs only goal aside from it is to stop Kain, for he is the only creature in all existence, who may hurt him (when Raziel becomes the presence in the Reaver). That's the only reason why Raziel is ordered to kill Kain. I don't think he can be killed, though.

Elder God: "I am the engine of life, the source of your very existence. I am the hub of the wheel, the origin of all life, the devourer of death!" Raziel: "Ok, boomer."

Despite not having a lower jaw you can sense Raziels enormous shit eating grin under that veil and I adore him for it

I loved the series but yeah gameplay could have been a lot better. But it's not my favorite series of all time because of the gameplay, it's the amazing voice acting and story that makes these games legend! I'm so glad I had the opportunity to enjoy them!

And don't forget how in the Soul Reaver 1 Era, the Elder God becomes THE room.

@@Death_Korps_Officer Exactly, as well as how how the torture humans endured from demons, Kain's empire before it began to collapse, as well as just surviving, was enough to sustain the Elder God, and he LOVED it, even as he feared Kain could be able to achieve his destiny as the Scion of Balance.

And the reaction when the Elder God tells him: "You are and will always be, my Soul Reaver". Raziel didn't catched it until the end of the game.

Even if he didn't hate them, they'd still just be food to them. In a way, he is to the vampires what they are to the humans.

The Elder God is a total dick

He despises the vampires because they cannot actually die. Their souls will roam without joining the wheel of life for the Elder God to consume. The Hylden didn’t need to be believers as once they begin dying, they will feed the Elder God still. The idea that the Elder God made the Ancients wage war against the Hylden is hinted. A massive war with casualties on two mortal races is a benefit to the Elder God no matter who wins.

Nah, not really. The god become present when the world started to collapse and Kayn choose to destroy the world for his own survival. If he had saved the world, there would have been no elder god ( which is just a parasite ). The more corrupted and twisted nasgot was, the more powerful he was. The only choice for Kayn was to die and cure the world from vampire. In the end he " kinda " defeated the elder god, but since he is immortal, he is gonna live forever, just not Able to do much. But the story stop there, and we will never know if the world would restore and go back or it would be doomed forever.

Completely incorrect.@@bazingapuzza

If you play the games, it's basically spelled out that the Elder God is no god but a giant parasite leaching of of the souls of mortals. Is he powerful? In a passive way, sure. But he is no way "The wheel of fate which all life depends on!".

@@Guciom Yeah, that is how he operates - through deception and guile and feeds himself through every soul that comes through the wheel (apparently the creature found the wheel of fate in its infancy and latched on to it and shortly after convinced the original vampires to serve him, funny how the immortal vampires are due to his own medlings through causing the banishment of the Hylden).

On TLW there's a bit of speculation stemming from Dark Prophecy, from some planned/drawn portal of some kind between Material and Spectral. One interesting theory is that the Elder God was the average Sluagh or whatever, some vaguely sentient but not really troublesome denizen of the spectral realm. Until the Ancients opened a portal between realms. The theory holds that the creature over time was able to grow and spread himself in a way that existed in both realms simultaneously. Since then he does whatever he can to sow wars and death so he can eat all the souls he wants and grow or maintain his dual form.

@@alexreilly6121 Cool theory but.. the lore writer said it was a creature from before time that somehow found the wheel of fate in its infancy and latched on to it thus simultaneously growing in both realms due to it, long before any or most races came into existence?

He is based off Gnosticism "presents a distinction between a supreme, hidden God and a malevolent lesser divinity (sometimes associated with the Yahweh of the Old Testament) who is responsible for creating the material universe. Consequently, Gnostics considered material existence flawed or evil, and held the principal element of salvation to be direct knowledge of the hidden divinity, attained via mystical or esoteric insight. Many Gnostic texts deal not in concepts of sin and repentance, but with illusion and enlightenment."

Oh shit please don't hunt me down for using that profile picture when i didn't know you use a computer

Kain I love how that's a callback. Elder God literally says "As my agent, you are beyond death" in Soul Reaver 1 the first time you die while in the spectral realm.

This is the kind of shit to say to your kids to get them to stop their bullshit! LOL

Midnight Mechanic (Kid returns from school after fighting his bully) "Steve, the failed assassin, you had Bill at your mercy, but lacked the courage to fulfill the act." "I don't wanna talk about it okay? You're always so weird, i just want a normal dad like Michael's dad." "I am the engine of life, the source of your very existence. I am the hub of the wheel, the origin of all life, the devourer of death" "Or maybe you're just hungry, could it be as simple as that? What are you jonesing for as you drag your loathsome body through this living room and towards the kitchen?" *"Ooh You little ba-! -Come back here!"*

@@millenniumhandandshrimp2610 (after locking the kid inside the closet under the stairs) "You are indebted to me, you little shit" "Indebted? You would have me show gratitude for a gift I didn't ask to be bestowed. Do you forget that you forced me to inhabit this vile carcass?"

"You cannot escape me, gypsy girl! I am the engine of life, the hub of the wheel!"

Ages ago, someone made two parodies of Raziel meeting Frollo in the guise of the Elder God. In both of them, Tony Jay sung "Hellfire", from "The Hunchback of Notre Dame". First one was when Frollo sung, "🎵 Like fire, hellfire, this fire in my skin. This burning, desire, is turning me to sin. 🎵" and Raziel replies, "SHUT THE #$#$ UP!" Second one began with Raziel going, "God, no." followed by the Elder God singing the "It's not my fault..." bit, until Raziel remarks, "I'm beginning to think the vampires committed suicide only to escape your voice." Unfortunately, I've been unable to find those videos now. I wonder if the user who made them, or someone else, kept them elsewhere, aside from KZfaq. It's been many years, but we could surely use a laugh. 😆😆😆

@@SaviourV Getting a reply out of the blue on a 10 year old comment is surreal

@@GazzaGu Well, I've been on KZfaq long enough, as it is. 😅

Dude, I dunno. His sheer mass, his timelessness, his ability to pierce the veil between the material realm and the spectral realm, and his mass processing of souls definitely qualifies him as the closest thing to a god that the series has. The narcissism and showboating of being even greater than they really are is common in mythology, especially the Gnostic myths that the Elder God is partially based on. Less powerful and benevolent than he seems, maybe, but our dramatically paranoid Raziel never seemed to fully trust him to begin with.

It is also hinted that he actually had NOTHING to do with Raziel being what he is, and merely is using Raziel to try and destroy Kain and the Vampires. Ironic that the Elder God wants to destroy the Vampires because they are no longer a part of "the wheel of life", when utterly destroying them would allow the Hylden to come back, and he hates the Hylden as much as the Vampires (The Elder God convinced the Vampires to start the war on the Hylden because the Hylden denied that he was god and denied the "wheel of life")

@@ringringbananarchy I believe it was established that he observed Raziel's transformation into a wraith and took credit for it rather than actually being responsible. I'm not sure if that jives with souls Raziel eats going to the Elder God (as seen in Defiance); possibly they just end up going to wherever the Elder God 'is'?

@@simonregan471 It wasn't ever really established. It was alluded to. Raziel himself makes the suggestion to the Elder God, and the Elder God ignores it. But it seems likely, since the Elder God actually has no control over Raziel.

@@ringringbananarchy that he ignored it is probably the most damning piece of evidence. Had the Elder God truly been responsible for Raziel becoming a wraith, he'd boast about it and claim ownership over Raziel incessantly.

Very true, just hearing Tony Jay voicing one of my favorite MK villains would make my life complete lol

... Oh my god I Shinnok would be my favourite character in Mortal Kombat X if Tony lived to voice him XD

And a great Chthon in the MCU.

+aderose What about the Architect from the Matrix? Both sound very similar.

She deserves it. :)

About time

As she should

She deserved it.

My god, you're right !

I noticed that a long time ago when I played through the games.

Its a very typical phrase tbh, and wayyy before raiden

The incarnation of the "Elder God" seen in this scene is after Moebius tricked Raziel by sending him into the future (Decades after Kain refused to sacrifice himself but before the events of Soul Reaver 1.) rather than the past (The era where Janos Audron still lived.).

Vincent Of course we didn't. But with Amy Henning no longer around to write story, it seems that no one has the idea how to keep building on her foundations.

haha really? i kind of wondered what would've happened there. thanks for clarifying

Notably the Elder God CANNOT directly manipulate raziel as he has no actual power over him. the only reason why they are connected at all is because Raziel is a walking Causality break and the Elder Gos is attached the the wheel of fate and both seem ot feed into the same source-.

What?, hes wayy bigger than his form in sr1, and tjats a hint about his parasite nature