Michael Burke you aren’t the only one

I know, i was stunned by Vorador’s expressions and how fluid his eyebrows and mouth moves along with his head when he tilts it in an inquisitive manner. You can tell they spent a lot of time working on the animations so that the cutscenes can work.

hoylguy11 savage

Savior and Destroyer, Corrupter and Redeemer. Oh how history abhors a paradox...

His "let's look for the other side of this coin" says it all. He suspect Raziel could choose which one to be. What, perhaps, he never knew was that Raziel could fulfill both roles at the same time.

​@@marcoelhodevYep! Even Janos only realized Raziel was both champions when he saw the Wraith Reaver, and even Ariel knowing it after her purification when she told Raziel he must unite what has been torn asunder to prepare Kain for his true endeavor as Scion of Balance.

The heart is a far superior intelligence to even the minds potential "omnipotence". In this we can see the difference between the false god and the truth

and then Raziel responds "Vorador"

@@ljklmoiaoklmlljkajksjdklfm503 which is why Vorador was sarcastically posing with reverance at the beginnig.

Janos was his sire.

@@Jarock316 I know that, I meant that considering the tech of the time I was impressed they could feature such emotion on a computer game character. I consider poor Janos & Vorador to have been dealt the worst hand by Fate (or by that jackass Moebius). I see that they're doing Soul Reaver for the Ps5, I'd better start saving for that!

This is a 10/10 comment 12 years later

@@mohawklogan seeing *"need to make a sequel for the PS3"* is strange lol

13 years later, you could not be more right, although I think we need a remake of the trilogy first - with all the music and voices untouched. Of course also should be on PS5 and PC. This game when updated in modern graphics will still stand the test of time because of the phenomenal writing and VO.

Most of all this game needs to be remastered/remake in these new gen consoles

It’s amazing how Raziel can be understood with so much emotion with only just his eyes. He’s like Gromit in that respect.

there are no Vampires in Twilight. only sparkling fairies

@@GodshinX Twilight ruined vampires for a generation.

"CALL YOUR DOGS! THEY CAN FEAST ON YOUR CORPSES!"

Facts

Since you seem to be somewhat knowledgeable on the subject can you explain why vorador being back is a plot hole? the way I see it at the end of soul reaver 2 Raziel is sent back long before Vorador is killed and sets up a new timeline that we don't know the history to and there is no reason to assume Vorador would be slain in this new timeline, at least not that I can see. Janos showing up at the end of Blood omen 2 on the other hand is not at all something I can understand.

@@mohawklogan Despite the changes made to the original timeline young Kain still traveled into the past and slayed young William the Just in order to prevent him from becoming the Nemesis, this in turn was the catalyst that allowed Mobius to incite the human uprising against the vampires which lead to their near extinction. Vorador was a victim of the vampire genocide and this event remained unchanged. Defiance answered the question as to why/how Janos Audron was alive in Blood Omen 2, Raziel resurrected him in Defiance, which took place in the past before Blood Omen 2, hence how he appears later in Blood Omen 2. Janos's resurrection was part of what caused the new altered timeline of young Kain. Vorador on the other hand was never explained, however it was confirmed by an employee that it was intended to be resolved in Defiance as well. A human Umah was supposed to task Raziel with the resurrection of Vorador and upon resurrection Vorador would have rewarded Umah by turning her into a vampire. It would have filled in the plot hold of Vorador's appearance in Blood Omen 2 and filled in some of Umah's backstory, however it was supposedly cut because they felt it was redundant to have two resurrection quests.

Why would a human help a vampire? Did she want to be a vampire from the start? Or, maybe it was similar to the Cabal sympathisers in Blood Omen 2 who considered the vampires a lesser evil than the Sarafan

Well.... I mean...he did slaughter six of the 9 guardians of the pillars

@@Krooksbane Why did he did that though? I don't remember his point doing that. Did he know about the pillars guardians being vampires originally?

K A He did that because the guardians of the pillars were working with the sarafan. Retaliation for the guardians betrayal. Yes, he knew they were originally vampires. Janos Aldrin explains all this to Raziel. This occurred 500 years before Ariel’s murder.

@@Krooksbane Also because they orchestrated the death of Janos. u can hear him slaughtering the circle when raziel takes the blood reaver towards the end of soul reaver 2

@@kevinallain2415 he did as revenge as this was after the Sarafan Assaulted Janos's Keep and murdered him. ans Since the Sarafan were working with the guardians, revenge was jsut right and he murdered 6 of the guardians, only reason why he didnt get the last 3 : (SPOILERS?) Mobious and Malek were holding Raziel down in the Cathedral and mobious knew vorador ws there and kept Malek from intervening(a ploy ot consolidate the power of the Srafan under him). Mortanius wasnt present at the time he was in possesion's off Janos's Heart and was in the process of raising Kain..possibly?.

Yeah, the glitch where you couldn't escape the Temple of Darkness was triggered by chasing away the birds at the entrance. If you leave them alone then you don't get the glitch.

**traumatic flashbacks INTENSIFY**

Oh? I don't remember this. Was it the PC version?

Hasfast agreed 9 years later

Same here

That's because Vorador cared very little of what happened to the world by the BO1 era. He was the last made-by-the-old-vampires after all. His only concern was Kain, and what would happened to him after he died. But even with that, he didn't cared that much.

Yeah, hard agree. Defiance made everything and everyone too blocky. This game's artstyle is my favorite by far.

Old comment, but I had to comment to correct it. Blood Omen 2 was being developed at the same time as Soul Reaver 2 but handled by a different team, while Blood Omen 2 was supposed to cover an alternate timeline created by the paradox of Soul Reaver 2's ending the two teams didn't communicate well and this is how Blood Omen 2 introduce many inconsistencies and plot holes in the story. Defiance was created with the intention of filling in those plot holes created by the miscommunication as well as continuing the overall story, however some plot holes, such as Vorador's presence, weren't filled because a lot was left on the cutting room floor. Originally there was supposed to be a quest in Defiance where Raziel would have been responsible for resurrecting Vorador and it was to be given to him by a human Umah who would upon completion be rewarded by Vorador by being turned into a vampire.

Robotic Shaft I knew it wasn’t him but still kept thinking that it sounded just like him and kept doubting my info haha

Yo I thought the same thing

half right buddy, as seen in SR1 and implied in the end of SR2 vampires were made from the dead by giving them a part of your vampire soul. so i dont see this as a clue to a possible ressurection.

@@jehkart that's a thing i loved about LoK, vampires were made through a necromantic ritual, they were true undead. Except tge ancient ones of course.

@@aladinthemonkey768 resurrecting a vampire isn't about making new vampires. Funny enough though, Kain does make new vampires when he becomes strong enough. But that is neither here nor there. Resurrecting vampires has nothing to do with the Heart of Darkness. Janos needed his heart back to be resurrected, because when you kill any vampire by simply severing a vital organ, they come back when you reunite it with the rest of the body. That's why Dumah comes back to life when Raziel takes the giant spears out of his body. All Kain had to do was reunite Vorador's head with his body. Furthermore, when Kain did make his own progeny, he discovered an entirely new way of creating vampires, as mentioned in the SR1 manual. So creating a vampire from a dead body is something Kain invented later in life.

@@jehkart that's not all vampires. If you read the SR1 manual, it makes a distinction between vampires created the way that Vorador did and the way Kain breathed unlife into corpses.

@@aladinthemonkey768 well even an amateur bitch can put a severed head back onto a body. Just like how Raziel just had to plop Janos's heart back into his chest cavity. Also if you've played Blood Omen 1, Kain had tons of magical abilities by the end of the game that made him basically invincible. It isn't stated in the game that he resurrected Vorador, but it is known that there was originally supposed to be a cutscene depicting him bringing back Vorador that was removed from the final version of Blood Omen 2. The fact that Kain specifically acknowledges that Vorador was once dead alludes to this, it's really not saying much to assume he brought him back between Blood Omen 1 and 2 so that Vorador could raise an army for him. It's the only logical explanation, and it doesn't require Kain to have been immensely powerful. He did something anyone could have done in order to bring him back.

Same voice actor.

It doesn't make sense vorador is alive after dying in blood omen 1 and defiance and it has trillions of plotholes blood omen 2 is non cannon like dead sun

@@ljklmoiaoklmlljkajksjdklfm503 it is possible that kain patched his body up.As an old vamp thats enough to resurrect him. then the weakened vorador created the vampires of BO2

but why, then, would kain not suspect vorador being the leader of the vampire resistance against the revived sarafan?

@@ljklmoiaoklmlljkajksjdklfm503 relax fanboy

@@ljklmoiaoklmlljkajksjdklfm503 There was a cut quest in Defiance that had Raziel return Vorador's head to his body. BO2 is cannon LOK just kinda fucked itself with the time travel

He was when he began his crusade of vampiric rule over Nosgoth when he made the choice at the Pillars to preserve his own life and act as Nosgoth's ruler. He and his army clashed with the Sarafan and he was essentially killed by the Sarafan Lord only to be, not so much resurrected but reborn (thus him needing to regain his strength and powers first). Thus the events of Blood Omen 2. The Kain that you see in the Soul Reaver series is him from the future, deformed and semi-evolved, brought through time thanks to Moebius's Chronoplasmic chambers.

I actively try to make my vampire the masquerade characters in a similar style to this series because of it.

Yes and no; this takes place during the unaltered timeline, but the events in the end was the fork in which the timeline splits.

i guess they dint trust eachouther at this point yet

at this point he doesnt know what raziel even is. All he knows is that somehow Raziel was able to Find the forge and use it, which shouldnt be possible if you dont have the Reaver. plus it doesnt seem like Janos made vorador privy about the hylden and possible outcomes of the reaver.

He said Nosgoth was beyond redemption and even compared everything the ancient vampire told him to fairy tales, plus he had tried to get the heart a few times but they hid the heart too well. It's not like he was going to just hand out Janos to a creature he barely knew.

When Kain went into the past in Blood Omen 1 and killed William history had changed and the vampire hunters appeared instead, he's referring to that event he knows a vampire assassinated William and caused a new crusade to happen.

@@WisteriaNerium There were always vampire hunters one way or another, but Kain assassinating William the Just brought the rise of the Sarafan and/with a far more fanatical desire for vampire genocide than before; Moebius used the assassination as the first spark of the fire to see vampires wiped out.

It probably made more sense if Blood Omen 3 was finished. In the events of BO 1 Kain killed Mobius immediately after he decapitated Vorador, but in Defiance Mobious is instead killed by the Kain of the present, meaning he wasnt there at Voradors execution to be killed by the Kain of the past (thus also meaning he wasnt there to keep Vorador pinned) So in Blood Omen 2 timeline, Vorador probably never died.

@@Brucifer2 unlikely, by the time Mortanius calls Kain to go to the pillars he just finished killing Moebius, The reason why Moebius is on Vorador's Mansion is because of a mistake and the writers have acknowledged that it could be an illusion. The elder God resurrected Moebius.