That's how I approached working on vehicles too back when I worked on them. I worked on their vehicles with the thought of it being my own car. I always considered what was the best repair as far as longevity goes.

Then again that lady punches really hard and don't want her coming around the shop.

@@XqeDiosxqe lol, right

Same here!

It’s called deliberate practice and it’s why we must stay humble, even in seniority

Same here man hvac 14 years 🤙

Electrician for 50 years and I’ve troubleshot a lot of computer operated machinery. Retired now and love watching Eric as he works his way through the complicated electrical systems in these vehicles. I try to outguess him at times as to what will fix the problem 😂. Eric you do a great job and we think a lot alike. Keep up the great work!

I am not an HVAC technician. I am a retired IT operations supervisor. I have a pretty old air conditioner system attached to my house. It is old enough that the wiring is starting to get a little iffy in places. Cost me a couple hundred bucks anytime it breaks. Beats the hell out of 8 to 10,000 to replace it. Often when the technician comes out I have checked the basic external things not opening the central air unit out on the ground, and have noted sometimes that I wasn't getting 220 into the fan or the compressor. Different occasions. And the technicians come out and all they have to do is take the cover off and they'll find a broken wire or something and they just have to visually inspect sometimes I'll double check with an amp clamp. But I've had a few technicians over the years ask me if I had worked in HVAC. I just pay attention to when someone's working on my air conditioner, I like to watch and learn something. I've always been that way. I already told you what I retired from, I know how to put up drywall, work with cinder block, to be honest I hate that, do carpentry and basic electrical work around the house, I can also do plumbing. All my life will at least since I was 10 I've been cranking wrenches on anything from a lawn mower on up. I am just a naturally curious and attentive person when something's going wrong. I remember a long time ago obviously my dad was going to throw out a lawn mower because he couldn't get it to start. Now you have to understand my dad was my mentor for a lot of what I can do. I asked him if I could take apart the mower and see if I could fix it, he said go ahead it's your time to waste! I tore it down and I adjusted the gap on the coil and the flywheel. I also cleaned the contact breaker points and I checked the carburetor to make sure there was no water in the tank or anything in the bowl. Dad had already checked that but I checked it anyhow. You should have seen my dad come running out of the shed when I pulled the recall starter in the dang mower started right up. You can see a part of him was annoyed that he couldn't fix it or didn't, but he was also proud as hell that I did. The mower was 10 or 11 years old. Daddy got it in 66. So he had already bought a new one. It was fun to find out it was probably the gap on the coil and the flywheel.

in the same field and Yup. This is a prime example of good troubleshooting.

Retired USN ETCS here, and very much agree.

I am also an electronics tech. 95 percent chance it was in the solder connection, and a 5 percent chance of a faulty fuse.

I am also a (semi)retired electronics tech. First real job I had was with a team. I would take the boards others put back on the pile and fix them. Of course I took more time per repair. I was told I was taking too much time. Next company.

@@dentech4710 Ive bought entire batches of intermediately failing fuses from gas stations. They often arent even the proper thickness.

The dealership would also prefer to try and sell you a new car, rather than fix one that's eight years old...

They want to sell her a new car, give her nothing for her trade in, fix her trade in for less than $78, and then sell that too.

@paul feasal Along with over 800 other companies.

​@Paul Feasal if people cared about CHILD SLAVE LABOR probably would stop buying Chinese garbage or so called American garbage made in China "gm" Buy Honda more American then a "chevrolet "

We likely saw why in the service data - it has you check the electrical circuits, and the relay itself (as if it were a discrete component that can be replaced!) and if both of those check out, it sends you to the PCM. If you stick your probes right on those solder joints to test the relay itself, it's going to test fine, because you're bypassing the broken solder joint between the board and the relay. The instructions should have you testing the relay *from the fuse sockets and connectors* Dealers are often married to the official procedures, and the service data is mostly copied from the official procedures.

Yeah, seems the Kia dealer shop is not part of that equation 😕🙄🤣🤣🤣

@@jack002tuber Don`t forget the dealer mechanics are not making big money anymore. jmo Then the go to guy in the dealer gets all the stuff the other guys can`t fix while those same guys get the gravy work. Been there done that. It`s hard to concentrate when you`re getting shafted.

He makes it look simple from experience, trust me.

Remember also that the training programs teach them that the computer will pinpoint the fault. When it doesn't, they don't know where to look next. Eric's approach uses the computer to narrow down the search then manual methods pinpoint the fault. Rarely is any of this fault finding particularly difficult but using logic and methodical testing is vital.

More often than not it comes down to patience.

I miss my dad too he died three years ago on the 22nd of this month

My grandpa was same way, he died in 2015 February. He had a very high iq and could fix anything. He also built lot of things for people. My grandpa and I when i was in high school built our own gaming pc from scratch including circuit boards and all.

That's why God invented duct tape.

@@baldy95307 find the missing piece and super glue it.

Black gorilla tape

Lmao

Or buy a new one at the KIA dealer. Can't be expensive.

Electrical issues scare the crap out of me. I'm the same age as Mr O but give me a carb, manual fuel pump as three speed auto\4spd manual any day. I'm learning now though. Guess you're never too old too learn. Workin on a 2020 Kia right now. Parking sensors resetting & cigarette lighter turning off and on. Starting with the cabin fuse box as there's been a tinkering.

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@@NoName-zn1sb Sorry, my soldering iron wasn’t quite to temp when I typed “your”.

That's a fact!

Same

I was very happy to see that too.

And, to be honest, I think I'd trust Eric's re-flowed solder repair over a new factory part...

great for troubleshooting, but it's not wise to leave such a major "repaired" part in customers vehicle. say it was to stall out on train tracks and get hit, who's liable now? up next: customer with lawsuit against you/business for modifying electronical parts. 30+ years ago, people would have been "tickled pink" and grateful for however long it lasted. I only repair things for myself, relatives and close friends now. not worth the risk of idiots going off the rails.

Thomas Edison, "I have not found the one thing that works yet, but I do know the 100 things that do not work".

You sure are correct there.

Right? When he said the bit about "I see all those car seats in the back," you know his heart is in the right place (which we knew, but still!)

That's because Eric O is a father and has been there And knows stranded with kids is tough on the kids and the parents. He's a top technician who goes the extra mile and does it with heart and passion to solve the problems and get to the root causes. Many mechanics like him out there that are honest and take pride in their work today it's rare to find honest and skilled that get the job done right and don't send you off with a come back repair .

Good job.

most of us do , there is a minority that don't.

Eric probably has another customer for life

If I took my car to a shop and they couldn’t fix it , I don’t think I would owe them anything! I don’t take my cars and motorcycles to anybody else, I fix them myself! Some people are just mechanically inclined and some are not! You definitely are!😎🇺🇸🏴‍☠️🇺🇸🏴‍☠️🇺🇸🏴‍☠️🇺🇸🏴‍☠️🇺🇸

I’m with you on the strength of the repaired board. The lead-free solder that is used today is brittle and easily damaged.

@@SmogFighter "The lead-free solder that is used today is brittle and easily damaged." Is adding some leaded solder (as was done here) a better idea than just reheating the factory solder? Lead-free solder seems to cause lots of problems in cars. 😐 While this part was pretty cheap, other parts can be very expensive and I'd probably trust a part repaired with leaded solder just as much or more than a brand new part (e.g., 8th gen Civic hatches have the same radio & climate display as CL9 Acura TSXes and repairing the display pin connections with leaded solder is virtually free compared to the $500 that Honda wants for a brand new display!).

Many military products forbid lead-free solder due to tin whisker issues and poor reliability. Reflow with rosin core leaded solder is an acceptable mitigation.

@@user-jd5sj8jx7r I wonder why automotive regulations in some markets demand lead-free solder at the expense of reduced durability. It seems kind of dumb. But I guess all these "recyclability" regulations are based on cars being used for 7 years or so and then being dismantled and recycled, not spending 35+ years in use like military equipment (or as some private car owners want their cars to last)?

Which leads me to my thought…how do you know the new one from the same factory(possibly) may or may not have the same problem. I now refer to the silver solder problem GM trucks had in their guage clusters..many of those joints also failed after a few years rendering many of those clusters useless..also creating a whole repair business in rebuilding them as it happens. Rebuild was simply resoldering broken circuits. Hopefully the new one is built properly and soldered correctly.

"Throwing Parts" isn't just in your area. It's caused by young, poorly trained and inexperienced mechanics. I suppose if the wages were better people would stay with it long enough to learn how to do it right. But it isn't just a car mechanic problem. Most corporations have tweaked their system to where they can pay the actual workers as little as possible while paying the C-Suite stupid money for sitting at a desk. Do CEOs really need to make $60million a year to do the job? The company's output sucks but then they just pay to advertise more and get new unknowing customers. If you find a good business, use it even if it costs a bit more.

A lot of projecting going on here

Same here

Dry solder joints tend to work at first, but as vibration and thermal expansion and contraction cycles happen, the circle widens and the joint becomes positionally intermittent, acting like a sore, loose tooth!

Had an electronics shop in the 80s. You would not believe how many things I fixed by doing a good visual inspection. A magnifying glass and a bright light could often find minute cracks in solder or foil for a quick , easy and satisfying fix.

Just edits out the hard stuff...😅

And the DISGUSTING, DISGRACEFUL part is they CHARGE US for the parts, whether those parts fix the problem or NOT.😬😠😡

I agree better to spend the same money you would have at the dealer but spend the money on tools for the job at least you have tools for the next job

me too, that and the cheap cars I run don't justify big Garage bills. If I'm doing a job for the first time, I'll often do a 'Dummy Run' at the Breakers on a scrap vehicle. Invaluable for identifying where difficulties might lay in getting it apart.

Yeah you never know if the new part might be updated with better Soldering or a better design. Can't blame the tech if its a new part, if it is a Board repair then you might not be eliminating the problem that caused the Solder to crack in the first place.

I don't know if dealerships read schematics anymore - DTC's have spoiled alot of people. I have a toyota, and dealership is 0-3 on electrical work... including overfusing a circuit that involved my air conditioning system.

more like chose not 2

Truth be told, most customers wouldn't know the difference. Even if they saw the video of their vehicle's diagnose, they wouldn't know if it's good or bad...

The modern shops and techs are all about get fixed and out the door not learning the diagnosing of the problem.

For some of these customers, Eric O is their 3rd try to get it fixed when no one else can and Eric fixes it in 30 min so I would like to hear the that reaction.

Exactly, customer comment would add "icing on the cake" to an already very interesting presentation.

I would also like customer testimonials

You’re spot on. Eric is very smart, and I’m not trying to diminish what he does. With that said, theoretically someone who has the service info, wiring diagrams, and uses a methodical and logical approach could fix this. Eric has all of these to use, and puts them all to use very effective use.

A new unit will probably eventually have the same bad solder joint issue, at the same joints, especially if it was made in the same factory as the original. Re-using the re-flowed unit might have been the better, longer lasting choice, if it was done correctly (Suck out the old solder, clean the area, and re-solder.). Chrylser products also suffer from the same great "Workmanship Quality" issues as KIA, it seems.

@@tinkerscorner54 Chrysler, especially in the mid-late 90s when everything went lead free solder.

ivan is a putin lover dont forget

@@ufartface don’t you have a BLM rally or something to go to?

You'd be lying to yourself if you thought the best of the best of anything, really, but specific diagnosticians, got to where they are on a path of sequencial successes.

Truth.

or it's not broken

No doubt that Eric is a stellar mechanic but there are other really good mechanics out there, the problem is none of them work for dealerships

hallo can you give me the link of wes channel please

@@abdoalbasha4368 Watch Wes Work

Do yourself a favour and go watch diagnose Dan. He a Dutch version of Eric, of course it’s euro stuff but to me it doesn’t matter as it’s the problem I like not the particular manufacturer.

@@michaelslee4336 thank you

@@Curlyim2 thank you

Intermittents can be really tough to find. Eric O got it dead broken. Much easier to find an issue when its completely broke.

The market dynamics have created this. Customers think that all you have to do is plug a magic tool into "the computer" and it tells you what's wrong and how to fix it. Unfortunately spending time to get to the actual problem pays very very little.

Error codes, scans, probing voltages, and advice did me no good on my last diagnosis. I was told that my car did not have a fuel pump relay by an "expert." The exact statement was something like, "don't worry about relays, these don't use relays anymore, it has a module that controls the fuel pressure." It uses a PMW controlled control circuit to regulate the speed/pressure of the fuel pump, this module was located in the trunk and through the back seat. I used my oscilloscope to probe the output of the module to the fuel pump and the wire going back to the computer, tested the voltages and did everything I could to determine the point of failure. The error code was a missing acknowledgement from the module itself and low fuel pressure on both banks, plus random misfires. I haven't kept up well with technology in cars but I followed a plan that was as methodical as I could. To top it all off, this did not happen all the time and I couldn't easily reproduce the issue, the car would just suddenly die while going down the road. I tested every wire at the fuel pump control module and it all looked good WHEN I tested, every damn time. I do not have access to service data, being just a schmuck in his driveway, but it did occur to me to look at the service manual that came with the car. I read through the diagrams for the fuse blocks and saw (to my surprise) a fuel pump relay. At that moment it did occur to me that, of course it makes sense to use a relay to feed power to the fuel pump control module. I popped the hood and saw that the AC relay was exactly the same, swapped them, and went for a drive. After a while the AC stopped working but the car kept going just fine. Problem solved. Of course, I did mildly load the parts cannon. I purchased a a fuel pump control module for $75 (seemed cheap at the time) and a new fuel pump for like $150 (also wasn't to bad of a price). I am actually glad I got a new fuel pump, I was fixing someone else's work and the old fuel lines at the fuel pump were "fixed" with zip ties and duct tape (so I didn't feel to bad about fixing that up properly). All told, a $7.00 part would have got me going again with very little frustration. I'm not sure why the "expert" ford mechanic told me that they don't use relays on these? Moral of this story, do not assume and look at the simple shit first, which is what I usually do and I don't know why I bothered listening to anyone. (this is one of the many reasons why I have trust issues when it comes to mechanics) sure the pump isn't "controlled" by the relay, but it sure is powered by one. Unfortunately I have far to many bad stories when it comes to paying for my cars to get fixed, so I just muddle through it the best that I can.

@@ianide2480 glad you fixed it but this illustrates my point. If you were a professional tech working on this car you would have billed an hour to do 2 3 4 days of work. Most techs are paid by the job. The economics of that don't make sense. Would you be willing to be paid an hour to do an unknowing amount of work that may take your entire week (intermittents are extremely common). 95% of the general public thinks that your problem could have been solved by a tech plugging a scan tool into the car and therfore are unwilling to pay for "daignostics". What's the answer? I don't know but it will get more and more expensive to fix these types of problems as techs are leaving the industry in droves.

@@86753091974 Shops are charging MUCH more than 1 hour for diagnostics if they need the time. For example, buddy had a landscape truck that would not start at a repair shop for diagnostics. They ran the bill up to $1500 and still did not have the problem locked in. They called him and said, do you want to proceed more.

Yup. Just watched this vid yesterday and had to pop by for the comment on cold solder. As a guy with a good amount of electronic repair experience, including in-car PCBs, I was first, impressed with the proper & decent quality soldering iron station, and that the proper gauge of solder was chosen for the reflow /repair work on a PCB. If not obvious visually, a good examination under magnification will often show up the culprit. When Eric said he spotted a ring around one of the terminals, that's a classic visual of cold solder, as all electronic techs would know. Great diagnostic technique and a perfect demonstration of a colder solder issue by applying pressure to a connection. With a reflow of all suspect connections, I also would have had no problem putting the repair out the door with a warranty.

Yeah , Eric probably fixed the problem by reflowing the solder to the pcb platethru connection. I have worked in electronics for 50 years & 7 years on a solder joint that is constantly subjected to vibration will make a once good joint go BAD. To the eye it might even look perfectly fine too ! Thing is to have access to the circuit diagram of the car. Once you have that research on the code also leads to the area of question. This lady sure was pissed enough to put her hand thru that fuse box ! Problem is there are many of these solder joints in cars today. Having a good solder iron is a must today. Great job of showing how to do an electrical repair.

Having to track wires thru a building and find out where the failure is! That is always challenging , every job is different and there often is not a wire diagram present. As a Hvac/Refrigeration Tech we often have to do it, it can b very time consuming but very rewarding when you find the problem.

Well of course its not his money ordering the part. The customer pays for it. Its up to the customer to decide whether she wants a new one or not.

Yes, he should make KIA a mechanic's "How to diagnose and repair this problem" video and additional page to the KIA repair manual. AND, they should pay him for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Most dealers ain't taught to repair. They use their computer & replace. My buddy got a 07 Mercedes SUV. They was replacing stuff along the cooling system. To the tune of about 5000 & still wasn't fixed. Radiator, water pump, heater core & some sensors. It took a small shop to fix it.

It's always interesting to me how many people are afraid of electrical work (low-voltage kind of stuff, to be sure). I guess I would put that down to a lack of knowledge. Clearly, to work professionally on modern autos, one cannot get far without at least basic electrical knowledge and diagnostic techniques. It's not that hard. Maybe a week's training should get a guy going (or a girl-I haven't seen any but there must be one somewhere). I also enjoy electrical work. Provided such a repair is electrically correct, it doesn't really matter what it looks like, and you don't usually get super dirty.