It is unfortunate on STO the Sabre class is not very good

Remember first seeing it in First Contact.

@@kathrynjaneway5346 Why's that? I think the Saber class looks COOL!

@@jamieolberding7731 it's a tier 1-2 ship so unless the devs make a tier 5-6 version it's stuck as a starter level ship.

@@smallmoe Oh. That's unfortunate.

yeah i never liked the saucers on federation ships espealy that fat one on the Galaxy and Nebula classes.

Yeah, I don't like that after the Defiant was destroyed, they just replaced it with another totally identical one, even changing the new ship's name to Defiant.

Had this idea myself and hopefully one day I can pull it off >.

As if the writers, directors and producers emphasizes what *looks* cool instead of what's tactically competent.

@@RonJohn63 I think maybe they emphasis what is affordable? But you have a situation where every engagement is like "Attack pattern gamma 4!" And the pilot is like "it's just us, you can just say fly straight at them firing our gun, not everything has to sound like dan dare Simon"

I have to agree with you there, that design looks fantastic.

Agreed, Sovereign class reigns supreme

i'll take the galaxy-class manly for it's versitility as a warship and as an exploritory vessel

+Joseph Parzynski I always thought the neck of the Galaxy was just a bit too slim.

The Miranda class. Always dying in style.

Naod08 Comparing this to the Akira is like comparing Skittles to a fine steak. The Akira is pure art. The Saber? meh.

And (pardon my language), got it's ass handed to it on it's first encounter :P

Did it? It was in the battle from the beginning and was one of the last ships standing. It survived for a long time - as long as it took the Enterprise to get from the Romulan Neutral Zone to Earth. It also wasn't destroyed - heavily damaged but it survived, which is really impressive considering the ship was so small. Considering the firepower and survivability packed into a tiny ship - there should have been an entire fleet of these things. 95% of the ships being built during the dominion war should have been Defiant classes - the war would have gone a lot better.

It's important to note that the Defiant class was designed to operate in wolf pack squadrons of a dozen or more ships and we never actually see her in that capacity.

lorzon That's a very interesting comparison, even from its design the Defiant looks more like a submarine than the grander ships of the Federation.

exactly, You can make 2 to 4 Defiant class ships compared to a larger ship. Each one has the fire power of a Galaxy class as well a large amount of fortitude. Less crew and fast impulse level speed and maneuverability.... it would be much better to send 60 of these than say 25 larger ships.

And one underrated stat, *construction time and resources.* _How many Sabers did it take to build a Defiant,_ they are both compact and have a small crew requirement. But really unless it's more than three Sabers per Defiant, it's worth it to make the Defiant if just pure combat performance and damage dealing is the only requirement. And if the "cost" are comparable, then just pump out Defiants.

@@casbot71 i think defiants are smaller.

@@casbot71 Even if the material cost isn't that much different, the Saber class might require less engineering expertise. The Defiant was a failure of a mass produced ship because it required so much maintenance.

I caught that too. LOL

Yeah, but the Defiant was the precursor to the group of designs which were designed together to form anti-Borg fleets. Sovereign, Akira, Norway, Steamrunner and Saber together form a full suite of starships for any specific need, and are all decked out to be anti-Borg capable. The suite isn't designed with the idea that the Defiant need to cover any roles in it. However the Defiant is an excellent alternative to the Saber and will slot right into that role if needed. It makes sense that Starfleet wouldn't want to just carry forward the Defiant, it was a good design but it is repeatedly stated to have issues and require skilled engineers and helmsmen to fly and keep running. It is not a design you want to roll out across the entire fleet and make potentially hundreds of. The saber was designed to be more reliable and easy to handle. The reliability of the Saber comes at a slight hit to overall power, but that doesn't matter if you can guarantee 2-3 working Sabers per potential Defiant on a battle line.

So if it a backwater colony world say the dura's sisters and 3 birds if prey come to take control of colony with say 4000 people on base.launching 4 sabres from cloaked bases the ageing bird of preys might as well wish for a glorious death

You are correct, however the 40 man crew was for the ship as launched. as it was modified and refitted with more scientific labs to add to the ships flexibility. I think the crew should be boosted to 60

Or you could make a video about the Hammer class starship

The Miranda-class the Red Shirts of Starfleet vessels.

Only because they built like 10,000 of them and there are literally too many to retire all at once. Even at 80 years old the Miranda class, with modernized systems and weapons, is a perfectly serviceable patrol ship.

Didn't starfleet use them as cannon fodder in the dominion war?

The Miranda class is a pile of shit and should be forgotten about.

Uh. I think he meant the deflector _itself_ is protected from most angles of attack. As in it's hard to shoot the deflector.

Fair enough, though targeting a ship's main deflector wouldn't necessarily be a great idea. In terms of combat worth, the main deflector is pretty far down the list of priority. Also, the main deflector again isn't the source of defensive shielding in Starfleet ships. It'd be protected *behind* those shields anyway, so it being safe from most angles of attack doesn't really matter all that much.

I honestly always thought they should have used them to help the Klingons against the Breen weapon... Their energy dissipator's scary but they still have to hit you, first, and those flingey-field-looking things don't appear to actually move all that fast. :)

Well, on modern ships you have to have a higher capacity in lifeboats than the parent ship is rated for and in space where parts of the ship could decompress and be inaccessible the extra escape pods just mean it's more likely anyone still aboard can get to one in a seconds rather than minutes in an emergency. More importantly, I like those escape pods studded across the hull so it looks really cool, which is probably more important than functionality in Star Trek :p

Aye. Redundancy and accessibility are important reasons. Not to mention, the crew compliment is _standard_. It's possible to have more than 40 people on board. What if it rescues another ships crew but winds up needing to be abandoned itself?

If the ship was at evacuation limit and had to abandon the ship with all the extra people.

The Sabre is a bit less of a case of being "all weapons mags and engines" as the Defiant, but are largely the same type blast boats. That is not a bad thing for a ship meant to go fight. Ships like that exist so you can go be peaceful (Lazy) on your big majestic cruisers.

It's bigger on the inside?