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"As starfleet tripped over it's pacifism for the 900th time" This times 8000.

Martians cause confusion by calling a Frigate _Corvette class._ The Imperial Star _Destroyer_ *…"Hold my beer".*

Ah yes, the lancer frigate. Their most-practical and realistically-effective anti-Rebel ship just happened to be the Orkiest in design. This is VERY amusing.

"I'm not including the weird 343 redesigns." -Spacedock, 2019 Good man.

I love the halo Frigate, it seem'd awsome in it's own right

"The Grafton is dust! We need to get out of here, now!" - Carter-A259

The best part about the Adamant is that even though it’s one of the first ships you unlock, it’s still a viable unit well into the endgame. My standard fleet configurations for most of the campaign always had a flight or two of Adamants, usually escorting either Artemis or Jupiter class battlestars. Very nicely balanced little machine. :D

I'm not really sure I agree with the idea of the Star Trek thing and the hero ship. TOS had several episodes featuring not just one but several other Constitutions, TNG used the Yamato, DS9 used the Valiant and then the Sao Paulo, and Enterprise used the Columbia a lot.

Babylon 5 disproved the hero ship nonsense a long time ago. The most they ever did to differentiate Sheridan's ships was to give White Star One a B5 logo.

"Amun Ra" "Moment in the sun" I see what you did there.

Frankly, I think how sprawling and bloated the Imperial Fleet was is accurate to a galaxy spanning empire. You had MILLIONS of ship designers and MILLIONS of ship builders. I can see them making hundred upon hundreds of different classes of ships.

Top Five Battlecruisers next? Still waiting for the Blake's 7 Liberator to get some long overdue love.

The Adamant is absolutely gorgeous! They definitely nailed the aesthetics of the show

Word of advice, don’t let your browser autocorrect to “Morrigan expansion” when searching for “Morrigan The Expanse”!

Are you sure about that Star Trek rule? Because there are notable exeptions. The USS Constellation in "TOS Doomsday Machine", the USS Excalibur in "TOS The Ultimate Computer", the USS Yamato in two Episodes of TNG and the Columbia in several episodes of ENT. All ships of the same class as the " heroship" and featured longer and more prominent than the Karakum in The Expanse

Never noticed before but the side profile of the Halo, Paris class frigate looks like a sci-fi rifle. The bridge is the gun scope, the elevator the grip, the aft end the gun stock l, and obviously the forend of the ship looks like the muzzle. Really cool!

Adamant definitely deserves its place in this list. A great looking (and deceptively capable) design which was perfectly implemented in terms of lore.

Yes, adore the adamant. It's a fantastic ship, both in design and during combat.

9:27 100% agree. The Morrigan is my favourite Expanse ship also

Lol “the Federation had tripped over their pacifism for the 950th time”… Truer words were never spoken.

What about the Nebulan-B frigate? It was amongst the best of its weight class in Star Wars and often used as command ships for small fleets on both sides. It was also an unconventional ship design and very popular within the SW universe.

One minor detail on the New Orleans? In addition to changing the windows and letter box, the saucer and engineering hull are from different scale Ertl Galaxy class kits, which makes the saucer larger in scale to its engineering hull.

Homeworld 2 Ion Frigate SHOOOOOP DA WHOOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The reason why I love Expanse design is that no other Sci-Fi works incorporate artificial gravity in the same way as Expanse, or rather in the correct way as Expanse. All other designs gave the impression of a modern day maritime ship just flying in space, while Expanse truly build in that solid spaceship architecture in all of its design.

The Lancer Frigate, the ship that could have saved the Empire… - Change my mind. It could have even defeated plot armour if used as the standard escort in numbers.

Good video Spacedock as always, also you can do a video about the most common propulsion systems in sci-fi, like ion drives in Star Wars, Impulse Drives in Star Trek etc

A little thing I noticed in the Halo universe is how the technology changed after the war, like example the Muslanne-class frigate is a frigate made after the war, the design is based on the Paris-class heavy frigate but since humanity know’s their MAC guns aren’t very effective against warships, they instead replaced it with a reversed engineered covenant laser weapon this also meant that the under part is removed since they could probably place the battery on where the MAC gun used to be and then the central area that splits between the lower and upper deck is now where the laser comes out. This type of Frigate is meant to support Autumn-class and Strident-class warships. They disable the shields with laser fire and the bigger ships use their MACs

Star Trek showed other Constitution-class ships in TOS, like the USS Constellation in The Doomsday Machine.

Homeworld, Multi-Beam Frigate. One chassis with as many ion canons as you can cram into it, pointing all directions. It crushes fighters, it eats corvets, it beats fellow frigates, and a couple of them can easily punch above their weight class.

I can't help but adore the scene in Halo reach when the frigate in atmosphere gets absolutely beaned by a covenant corvette. Crazy scene.

I like the frigate designs from Homeworld. Enough beam frigates could burn down just about anything but a fighter swarm.

The most Iconic ships in Halo are the Frigates the Halberd and the Spirit of Fire. Those are the ships I think of when Halo comed to mind

I don't get what you meant about the Star Trek hero ships, they always showed different ships of the same class. The original series showed like 5 different Constitution classes, TNG showed the Yamato twice, Enterprise had the Columbia and even Discovery showed the Glenn.

Regarding ship design The Expanse/MCRN and Babylon 5Earth Force FTW always.

Nitpick: when summarizing the New Orleans, you list the torpedo pods as "2 ventral and 1 dorsal," when it should in fact be the other way around -- 2 dorsal and 1 ventral.

Glad you put in the Paris Class, beautifully iconic design.

Star Trek TOS: The Ultimate Computer had 5 Constitution Class ships. Doomsday Weapon had 2. The Tholian Web has the Enterprise and Defiant TNG: Where Silence has Lease had a fake USS Yamato while Contagion has the real Yamato DS9: Don't think it had more than one Defiant class on screen at anyone time but there were 4 ships of that design at least in the show. Defiant, Valiant, São Paulo, Mirror Defiant Voyager: Makes sense to only have one Intrepid. It was alone. Enterprise: First of its class but was shadowed by a future version in Season 3's "E2" and Colombia in season 4

"Where the frick is the Rocina... ah... there it is" *calms down*

6:50 they called it the "corvette" class because who doesnt like a corvette, even hundreds of years in the future a corvette stingray is still awesome!

Can't get enough of these videos, and especially love the behind-the-scenes insights like your role in Expanse designs/lore and the Deadlock shout-outs. But, how could Homeworld get missed here? The Ion Cannon frigates, though nameless and expendable, are iconic, visually delightful, and essential to the campaign :)

The Martian Corvette Class Light Frigtate is simply beautiful, and it has real coffee...

"Tripped over it's pacifism" OOF...too accurate

03:40 that picture on that background basically makes it look like theres a cutout to be used as a rifle. Wonder if that lengthy lower portion is meant to be used as a magazine for the MAC.

Fully agree about everything you said about the Lancer and the Raider Corvette

Nice to see the New Orleans getting some well deserved love

"The Corvette class is my second-favourite ship in The Expanse behind the one I made" - Daniel, 2019 (paraphrased).

Check out the game Nexus: The Jupiter Incident for some cool ship designs. One feature I like is that there are no weapons that fire only forward (except the siege laser, but that one’s special). Instead, turrets are spread out all over the hull, and ships will rotate to bring them to bear. You’ll probably like the Earth designs with rotating sections, main drives on both bow and stern (so you don’t have to flip over to slow down), thrusters firing off to change direction, and weapons usage: kinetics to damage hull, lasers to disable or destroy subsystems, and limited missiles/torpedoes for artillery shots. Native Earth ships don’t have shields, but most others do, so they have “energy shells” to bring down shields before kinetics and lasers come into play. Fighters are laser fodder unless you manage to disable the enemy flak grid first.

We all know that the average Warhammer 40k Frigate can annihilate other sci-fi fleets in whole.

Great video, HOWEVER! How on earth can you miss out any of the frigates in Homeworld? Most of those a thing of beauty (with the exception of the ones that were infected in Cataclysm). HOMEWORLD!

I too love the Rocinante, but you also called it one of your top five corvettes, and now you're classifying it as a frigate. Also, We've seen in the show that only a handful of people can operate it, yet it holds its own against ships with much larger crews, and Holden even calls it a warship. Don't get me wrong, it's definitely an instant classic in ship design, but doesn't it fall into the "ship that can do everything trope"?

I use a New Orleans in STO. It's such a sweetheart. Flies great, plenty of firepower, and stupidly strong shields.

When I saw Aliens, I thought of the Sulaco as looking like a giant rifle also. It is cool to see that others thought that too.

8:31 Star Trek did show the 'hero-ship-class' sometimes though. In early TNG we saw the USS Yamato, a Galaxy class. In Voyager we saw (future) LaForge commanding a Galaxy class. Not to mention, we saw hundreds of Galaxy class ships in the Dominion War. We've also seen another Defiant class (with those arrogant ensigns). Not sure about the Constitution class; been too long. The Intrepid class was shown in DS9 I believe, in s7 ep16. But yeah, except for the Galaxy class, the hero ships are quite rare.

Really enjoyed listening to the piece on the Adamant while I was dumpstering a Saggitaron Adamant with 100 Viper MkII.

I always thought of the Adamant as a mini-Galactica. Such a nice and well-fitting design. Another favorite of mine that gets too little love is the Atlas carrier. As a dedicated carrier, escorted by Adamant frigates Minotaur gunships, it makes a lot more sense as a fleet's central ship than a jack-of-all-trades battlestar. Without Deadlock's fleet size caps I would make the Atlas and Adamant the mainstay of every fleet, to be supported by other specialist ships as necessary.

I don't think the Lancer Class ever featured in one of the X-Wing, Tie Fighter or Rogue Squadron games. It definitely showed up in the books but in the games it was always the Assassin Corvette, Nebulon B2 or they skipped it and went to the Dreadnought. EDIT: Forgot about X-Wing Alliance. It showed up there.

Love to see Battlestar Galactica ships hands down my favorite science fiction series with the expanse as a close second and Expeditionary Force as my third

Dude. I complete agree about the Morrigan ship. I love it and it reminds me of a muscle car, like a dodge challenger. I also like #2 and #3.

Great list! Glad to see the Paris-class represented. Probably my personal all-time favorite Frigate design. Also, shout-out to Red vs. Blue Season 10 for prominently featuring a Paris-class as a sort-of Hero Ship with a really great looking model and an awesome name ('Mother of Invention')

Love all the halo unsc frigates. Charon marine frigate, Paris, stalwart, hermes light carrier frigate. As for the adamant, I remember having a brief time playing deadlock and I spammed these things to great effect

Funnily enough, the 343 Frigate redesign is a new class of UNSC Frigates. But I can agree on the weird design.

That halo ship is literally a gun, it even had the shape of a handle and sight

How did Homeworld not make the list? Giant Banana floating through space anyone? But I do think Homeworld got some really nice ships. All Salvage Corvettes launch!

I really think the Rosenante should have been in a corvette list, I define corvettes by both their combat role as well as their small crew size, basically so small that everyone can be on an informal first name basis, while a Frigate is just big enough to be formal.

Sees Spacedock fawning over BSG:DL once again. Goes to get the garden hose again.

A great video man but I would argue one thing, and I imagine a few others have done it as well, but Star Trek did show other ships of the same class on screen across pretty much all the shows. There was several occasions in TOS where one or more Constitution class vessels were on screen, TNG showed another Galaxy class in the USS Yamato, DS9 had multiple Galaxys, Defiants and one Intrepid onscreen, Enterprise had the Enterprise and Columbia bumping into each other alot in season 4 and Discovery had another Crossfield class show up early on.

I happen to love the Excelsior class... My ship in Star Trek Online, USS Gadolin is Excelsior class. The Excelsiors are just a great looking, solid, reliable design and I love that they use them so much... As for the "hero ship" thing the original Star Trek had several episodes with other Constitution class star ships. The ultimate computer, the Doomsday Machine, the Omega Glory... Next Generation had a few appearances of the Yamato, another Galaxy class star ship in the early seasons including Where Silence has Lease...

Love the choices.

I'm pretty sure the Lancer Class is in RotJ as a background ship during the Falcon flyby before the fleet jumps.

Star Trek had multiple episodes in TOS when other Constitution-Class ships were seen (including a 4-on-1 war game), TNG encountered the U.S.S. Yamato twice (as well as multiple sightings of the Galaxy-Class throughout the Dominion War), the Defiant was the first in a long line of warships, we even saw another Intrepid-Class being used as a diplomatic transport to Romulus during the Dominion War.

UNSC Pre war frigate types: Paris: Used for Anti Ship engagements. Charon: Used for troop deployments and fleet escort duty. Stalwart: Used for planetary defense, fleet escort duty, troop deployment and when in groups anti ship engagements.

Really excited to see this video!

You really should do stuff from Homeworld and Freespace

The Adamant is not only one of the best looking frigates, is also one of the most efficient and effective ships in Deadlock, I still used them in the late game, and used in tandem with a good Battlestar and some rangers can do wonders

I broke out laughing when he said gravametric space gentlemen, lmao 🤣

I agree the adamant class frigate makes up the bulk of my fleets on dead lock..

Not sure what you mean by that rule, in Trek. I mean, I get what you’re saying. But to all intents and purposes, I believe this “rule” was broken by every single Trek series: TOS - USS Constellation and Defiant, both appear as Constitution-class vessels in scenes with the Enterprise. TNG - USS Yamato appears in “Where Silence Has Lease”; admittedly as an illusion. But that illusion still shared FX scenes with the Enterprise-D. DS9 - Although only the USS Valiant applies, in this case, it couldn’t have been said to “confuse” viewers, when it was destroyed in its eponymous episode. VOY - No other Intrepid-class vessels appear in the series. HOWEVER, one could remark that the appearance of the USS Bellerophon, in the DS9 episode “Inta Arma Enim Silent Leges”, might have risked “confusing” people who watched both shows at the time. But it didn’t. ENT - Only the Columbia NX-02 applies, here. And of course, it specifically shared scenes with the Enterprise after its launch for purely dramatic effect. DSC - The USS Glenn was very deliberately included, as the “sister ship” of the Discovery, not long after Discovery first shows up. In conclusion, I don’t think showrunners in ANY iteration of Star Trek were as worried about “confusing audiences” as you’re claiming. Yes, appearances of identical class vessels were rare; I believe any responsible world-builder would want to show that Starfleet had a diverse range of ships, in all of these eras - even as also one gets to reap the benefit of using duplicate assets and sets, when such ships do appear. But respectfully, I believe this idea that showrunners “wanted to make each hero ship appear distinct and never show another vessel like it on screen” is nonsense. I hope I haven’t misunderstood you, there.

Thanks for the content.

I just happen to be playing Battlestar Galactica Deadlock when I put this video on. The Adamant is definitely a nice ship.

The best frigate by far was Cpt Kirk's original USS Enterprise constitution class frigate. It wasn't the flag ship of the Federation, just a good solid ship versatile and self-reliant.

Thank you

UNSC designs ive always loved. Got that utialitarian design to them

To celebrate this most excellent video, I used the GUPRS Spaceship expansion to design...MY OWN FRIGATE! It's called the Endeavour class and it was designed by some hypothetical future UN that has discovered FTL travel midway through the design of the ship, so they took it and slapped a makeshift FTL drive on it via a deployable FTL "Tug" that sits in the hanger until it's needed for travel. The Endeavour class is 70 meters long and has a dry weight of 700 tons. It uses two .5G fusion torch drives for acceleration and 300 tons of hydrogen for reaction mass, with a spinal 3 gigajoule UV laser, 30 forward mounted 24 centimeter conventional missile tubes and 300 racked missiles. It's defenses are a full hull of hardened fullerine stealth armor with thirty 30 kilojoule gattling UV lasers for missile defense. For utility, it's got a 200 ton hanger bay loaded with a 100 ton multirole corvette that carries 30 marines and 30 tons of cargo, with twin linked forward mounted 3cm railguns (400 round capacity each.) The next 100 tons are occupied by 9 Stinger Drones: Essentially they're 1.5 tons of hydrogen reaction mass strapped to five high thrust fusion torch drives and a single gattling 2.5cm railgun. They've got 350 kps of Delta-V, so they're fully capable of prolonged engagements *and* suicide run fast pass attacks, where they can add their relative velocity to their railguns. And, finally, the FTL tug - which is slower than a dedicated jump drive (taking 500 minutes rather than 60 to fully charge.) however, the FTLT has one huge advantage over an internal jump drive: It can be deployed, then FTL jump itself in a mere 5 minutes (as it doesn't need to create a massive envelope around a 70 meter long ship.) Then it arrives back at a naval supply base, attaches to, say, a cargo canister of missiles or a reaction mass tank, then it can FTL back. It can resupply the Endeavour class with 100 tons of supply every 50 minutes! ...of course, since this is GURPS, I'd never want to actually *play* the game, but the design was fun! And the insane thing? This ship is only 400,000,000 dollars, roughly. The GDP of a TL11 planet in GURPS, according to my calculations, can build 40 of them every year with 0.01% of it's military budget.

8 views and 11 likes, as it should be

Star Trek TOS had Constitution class cruisers on screen in least a couple of episodes. The Doomsday Machine is one and The Ultimate Computer is another. The Tholian Web is one more so three.

YAY i was really sad that i was not seeing the adamant in spots 5-2 but when i saw it in number 1 i was so happy :D . i knew you liked this ship and i love it too.

The Adamant class is ADORABLE, it's like a little baby battlestar.

Check out them Homeworld Frigate Space-frames. Gorgeous.

5:37 the reason they didn't use this kitbash, and most of the others, is that they were mostly made for the battle of Wolf 359, and thus battle-damaged with a lighter for the graveyard scene, thus making them impossible to use afterwards. Of course, they could have rebuilt it, but that would've been more expensive than breaking out the old Excelsior model for just one more scene.

Star Trek has shown the same class as the hero ship a few times. The Yamato in TNG was another Galaxy-class ship. The Odyssey was also Galaxy-class even though by that time TNG had ended. We've seen quite a few Galaxy-class ships. DS9 also gave us the Bellerophon, an Intrepid-class ship that was shown while Voyager was still airing. And of course the Valiant, another Defiant-class ship also seen in DS9. Enterprise showed the Enterprise and Columbia, two ships of the same class, onscreen at the same time in close formation. So yeah. Star Trek's given us the hero ship model as other ships numerous times. Sometimese onscreen at the same time, even.

BSG Deadlock did such a great job with its ship design. And it's just a damn good game on top of it.

there is a lot of footage and stuff going on a UNSC Frigate in Red vs Blue.. the UNSC Mother of Invention (including a fight against a Halbert class destroyer)

"As the Federation tripped over it's pacifism for the 905th time" ... oh my BOI ! :-) yeah, spot on!

Love your content man just have to call you out on the Star Trek hero ship thing. Conny's where everywhere in TOS. You see the Yamato in TNG and, the Odyssey in DS9 while TNG was still airing, as well as the Belleraphon on DS9 while Voyager was airing.

In Star Trek the original series you see the Enterprise operating with other Ships of the same class. In one episode they conducting war games and the Enterprise is being attack by four ships of the same class. One of the ships is the Lexington.

Star Trek TNG showed a 2nd Galaxy class early in the series when they showed that one that self destructed from the alien computer virus. Also think the ship they sent to contact the Dominion that the Jem'Hadar destroyed was also a Galaxy. Also pretty sure TOS showed more than 1 Constitution but can't give specific episodes.

Homeworld ion cannon frigate, the Kushan variant before they got to Hiigara. Single purpose frigate that just looks amazing in combat especially with three or more focus firing a larger capital ship.

Yeah, the Lancers from X-Wing are nasty. But the same concept is in FreeSpace 2 as the Aeolus -cruiser,- which is just a total nightmare every time you have to get close to one.

My favorite frigate is the munificent-class star frigate from star wars, it has a good look and is very powerful for a frigate.