Which fucking pisses me off

@@thexskating same here bro

@@Spookyy24 LET'S RIOT!!!🤬🤬🤬

@@thexskating WE WANT SPARTAN III REPRESENTATION!!!

GIVE ME SPARTAN III's OR GIVE ME DEATH!

I agree

Geostomp Great concept. Poor execution.

I think they were trying too hard to make 4s separate from the 2 3s

I think that was the point, IVs were peace time troops with little to no experience, carefree attitude. But it might be just poorly written

spaced94 They aren’t peacetime troops, they’re decorated veterans. Some of them were characters in Halo 3 ODST. They have been in the thick of it since then cleaning up Covenant remnants, Forerunner technology, and Flood sightings. The problem is that the writers treat them as generic grunts rather than the elite veterans they should be to differentiate them from the 2s and 3s.

and johnson's the dad

@@JacobBite dad went to the ark for cigarettes and never came back.

... Isn't the middle child suppose to be the one that gets upity? The oldest is the one that the parents are paranoid over doing something wrong with. The youngest is doted on to make sure they have the same advantages of the first two. The middle is expected to be better then the first but always in the shadow of the first and never given the same attention as the third and as such feels left out and overlooked. At least that is how I always thought of it.

I still love the ideas of 4s. I didn't like how the Covenant and Marines looked and acted in Halo 4. The Prometheans and the villian were pretty cool. Halo 4 didn't have enough battles so the campaign was lacking. Most spartan Ops missions sucked but, I liked it overall because it had 100 missions but about 15-20 good ones. Givings us more good missions than any Halo campaign. Its a real shame that I can't get SO to work on the MCC. I was going to make a list of all the good missions to play with friends. I want to see Spartan IVs, hellbringers, classic Halo 2 + Reach style Covenant, halo 4 style prometheans, halo 2/3 style marines and ODST, halo wars style unsc mechs to fight covenant (including skirmishers), halo 3 ODST style Brutes with halo 2 style brute honor guards, spectres, revenants, anti-air wraiths, gungooses, halo 3 style choppers, and a Reah style space battle.

Spartan IV: not planned last child from a big family, to the point parents forgot it at the hospital.

Grunt mentality? They run away when their leader dies? Sorry. Couldn't resist.

@@Nonamearisto still grunt mentality. They aren't all trained to be leaders and step up either.

@@joshuagayle8473 it was a joke about the grunts...

III's were war orphans

@@Sad_Chief they still were picked up at a young age, 4-6 YO, similar to S-IIs

Spartan-IV: Walmart

@@Tyhros III are Walmart. VI are from wish.

I still love the ideas of 4s. I didn't like how the Covenant and Marines looked and acted in Halo 4. The Prometheans and the villian were pretty cool. Halo 4 didn't have enough battles so the campaign was lacking. Most spartan Ops missions sucked but, I liked it overall because it had 100 missions but about 15-20 good ones. Givings us more good missions than any Halo campaign. Its a real shame that I can't get SO to work on the MCC. I was going to make a list of all the good missions to play with friends. I want to see Spartan IVs, hellbringers, classic Halo 2 + Reach style Covenant, halo 4 style prometheans, halo 2/3 style marines and ODST, halo wars style unsc mechs to fight covenant (including skirmishers), halo 3 ODST style Brutes with halo 2 style brute honor guards, spectres, revenants, anti-air wraiths, gungooses, halo 3 style choppers, and a Reah style space battle.

Lets be honest, 4s are way better than Is

4s are more numerous and have a different role. For every one III you have 5 IVs. For every one 2, you have 10-15 IVs. So IVs would realistically beat them in a war

Possibly, but the S2's weren't generally good with social cues like that. Although chief understood sarcasm when talking to Cortana throughout the original trilogy. So I imagine he gets it, just isn't amused by it. Kinda like batman with pretty much anyone else, I guess. Dude laughed literally once that I can recall.

@@thewretchedpleb7484 the S2’s have no social skills at all. Being trained to be elite super soldiers since childhood did that to them

Yeah, most do though there are few (don’t remember who but I think (THINK) it was Kurt or another) Spartans have been known to have conversations with non spartan personnel as well as cracking jokes.

@@dantrinh100 I remember Kurt being described as the one that makes friends from "Ghosts of Onyx" and maybe that one spartan girl from gray team, I forgot her name or the book though

@@chasemichonski7883 Adriana-111

Nope. Short story palace hotel chief saves his life and palmers. The writing is just bad in halo 4/5

You still wrote it better than the actual writers

@@gregmattes2119 yeah could’ve added more to his character

No need to apologize, honestly that is pretty solid. I'm not a writer, but between that or even Buck pressing on that statement and Locke mentions a planet and/or mission to give credence to notion that Locke was and/or fought along side of Master Chief would have been better then what we got.

My take of "youre not the only one here because of him" is the fact that chief saved the universe multiple times and locke knowing this knows how awful it looks to hunt down a hero

Poor 00 is just going through his own self-doubts.

lol yes

More like a hate-boner. Or a wrathful erection. A seething stickup. Aggrieved arousal. Okay, I'm gunna stop right there and goto sleep.

I don’t remember that line... anyone know where exactly he said that?

That sounded a bit necessary.

Mortablunt I find your descriptions accurate imo. I especially like the Spartan 3 one.

Nah. Spartan 1: Knows what the ladies like.

Rick Regina Amen to that.

Yep! Just add what Rick said to the Spartan 1 profile!

To be fair the Spartan 4’s only fight in wargames so they are technically just little kids raging at each other in custom games lol XD

I mean, Halsey said it herself, childrens minds are easier to indocrinate. Majority of Spartan 4s are cocky, brash. They are either vets of old wars or just top of their class in the army/navy/odst

@@1005rhys Children don't stay children for very long if treated like adults.

@@1005rhys ODST's were elites though. They were special forces. It makes no sense for IV's to behave like they are written, because by the time you survive as much as the average ODST has to be chosen to be a spartan 4, you'd have lost the attitude these guys have. These guys act like it's their first tour of duty.

@@MuShinnen No. A lot of special forces are arse holes. And if given the liberty to proceed as they see necessary then even more so.

@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 Which still doesn't equate to ALL of them, and that's the point. For whatever reason people don't seem to understand that you can't judge an entire group of people based off the actions of a handful.

I think she wants them to just shut up and do their damn jobs. To just focus and do what their training tells them and to follow orders. Like how we see tactical incompetence among some of the IVs. Sure, it's only a tiny few. But, that's a tiny few among people who were already elite and highly veteran soldiers even before receiving four years of training as Spartans. By then, there is absolutely no excuse for _any_ tactical mistakes or disobedience from any of them barring enemy action or great necessity. Thorn is mostly good in this way. He follows his training, has good tactical sense and awareness, and obeys his orders without bitching about not liking them.

i wouldn't trust Halsey's idea of what being mentally stable is tbh I mean she thought it was chill to kidnap children and replace them with clones that die and for her to test out the first spartan II on ODSTs and all this was to crush a rebellion which she didn't even do.

CaPtAiN LaSkY aSkEd FoR ThE BeSt!

@@gino14 Then why didn't we get even the 2nd best?

unless its the Master Chief doing it in which case letting him do his own thing has never really been a problem in the long term

@@vineethphilip3969 But the S-IV got wounded and compromised the mission. Chief only disobeyed orders if it made sense to

@@jester4057 exactly, letting chief do his own thing has no downsides, letting the S-IV's do anything outside of orders is a disaster waiting to happen

pretty sure they got roombas or something, but it would be funny to see a spartan just all kitted up and mopping a cafeteria as punishment for poor teamplay in a fight.

@@FurryGram that would be pretty amazing lmao

Guess what Jun-a266 a spartan III and the last survivor of Nobel team and Musa-096 a spartan II washout are the ones running the spartan branch

Shadefox 00 yep, the SlVs should be decent if not good or great spartans but the writers gave us Majestic. Yes all of Osiris, Thorne, Palmer, and a new SlV in the book Halo Renegades are decent but other than Thorne, Majestic shouldnt have been selected let alone passed training.

Heck, bring back Franklin Mendez. He'll whip them into real Spartans.

Spartan120 Sadly, he’s on Onyx. He’s the director of a Human colony cooperating with the Arbiter’s people. As well as over some Spartans. Even Lucy and Tom.

I dont think all of them were like that it was only majestic minus Thorne that acted like frat douches.

Because of the 69 likes, I choose not to like this even tho I do

😆 You should take that Loiter Squad meme and redo it with Halo SPARTANs.

Me - Your GF was in here earlier, Chief.

@@LoneWolf-vu6qy Chief- no wonder she took control of all those AIs with only you losers to defend us.

Get in the armor John

@Arti Seeing as how the 2's were trained since childhood, I highly doubt that. Without Mjolnir and the augmentations, they easily still would have been some of, if not most, proficient warriors in the UNSC.

Arti that’s just a lie

Really? They why were the pre augmented Spartan 2's embarrassing the hand picked ODST they went up against in training. They literally showed them up and ran rings round them at every turn.

Arti stop trying to make the IVs valid they are physically,mentally and immature compared to the IIIs and IIs they are poor excuses compared to there predecessors

Arti go back and read lore dumbass

natzo89 really? You take information from a fanfic? That’s just sad. Also very large portion of them are spartan 3s

JBear Antonicic spartan IIIs are spartan IVs?

@@theAverageJoe25 No, but I like the quote to highlight the video's point about helmets. I guess that went over your head.

JBear Antonicic wrong. The vast majority of them are augmented volunteers from the rest of the UNSC branches. The S3s of which there were only a few handfuls left, were formed into Ferret Teams and other ONI teams or trained S4s. So no, most of them are not Spartan-IIIs.

facelessPysch0 Gamma company survived the war so there aren’t simply a handful of Spartan-IIIs

people who never been in service always think is 24 hours of seriousness, thats farthest from the truth, there are plenty of time for lightheartedness even on the battlefield, now take regular people who enlist and become Spartans, the only thing that change is their physicality, people act like the hardened badass that makes no jokes is the ultimate soldier, irl those soldiers also joke around especially when there is nothing to do. these people see what Hollywood put out and these games put out a false narrative on what a elite soldier is and people buy into the bull crap. i get halo is fiction but the hard reality is even in stuff like halo you will always have people trying to enjoy themselves when in hell

But the S-IV's of Majestic had a tendency to fuck around in active combat zones and take off their helmets just because. There's a time and a place to fuck around, and it's certainly not in a place where you can get shot at any moment.

@@lilomega7390 We see this with the marines and odst npcs in the games and it makes sense for spartan iv's do be the same. But as spartan ii and iiis when their lives were literally made and conditioned for war from single digit ages i cant imagine that they have that same joking-mentality

@@Isu908 that’s fair, I’m mainly talking about how people have an issue with how human the layer Spartans are. Yeah if you were trained in nothing but killing from a young age you may lose the ability to have humor but for Spartans that enlist willingly it’s different

I finally killed a elite! Electic boogy time

About that...

I just ram them with a ghost

@@b4nd1tk1n6 oh yeahhh victory royale! *dances vigorously*

They're like the Halo version of Red vs Blue if you really think about it.

Fireteam Fratboy

Was just about to comment (like 2 min into the video) that they're college bros not legendary war time weapons

@@VallornDeathblade Amazing.

@@warlordhax5995 Wise choice.

@Softy k.

That scene is the first one that comes to mind when I talk about Halo 4. Its power and respect personified

@Alex K because they had the same augmentation that made them grow to that size. Its already been stated their heights are similar to Master Chiefs.

This comment made me laugh so hard 😂😂😂

@Alex K those are fives I thought? Or some sorta second generation fours so CE they have newer augments

P

yes maybe this makes sense for hyping Chief up but it makes no sense to me that a military branch is gonna spend big money on weapons (spartans) that are not fully lethal and reliable and long lasting. When you send soldiers and weapons systems to the battlefield, you cant afford to have any of them be incompetent, you know? It would sit with me better if the IVs were designed to fulfill a different role than IIs, one that doesn't require them to be enhanced emotionless supersoldiers taking on impossible possibly suicidal and species-saving missions. That's probably what you were getting at, but i dont like the idea that IVs were or should be designed to "fail". If the IV's were indeed designed to replace (lore-wise) the IIs, then the IVs should definitely not be written as incompetent.

I like it only if 343 leans in/acknowledges that. But them pushing Spartan IVs as if they're perfect is really annoying

I agree, maybe they should adjust the psychological evaluation of Spartan IV program candidates, but otherwise it might be better choice over older versions. It's similar to difference between Sherman and Tiger tanks. Sure tiger is a better tank, but it's way too difficult to manufacture where as you can quite easily make thousands of shermans to replace your losses, and they are still capable of going against tigers when used properly. Spartan IV's are simply better choice for UNSC long term. Of course ideally they should also have II's the III's available when the situation calls for it.

That literally makes absolutely no sense. You don't waste massive amounts of resources on supposedly elite troops just to make someone who is MIA look better. When your elite troops are bumbling morons who constantly make themselves look stupid that doesn't boost morale. The exact opposite actually.

@@twohorsesinamancostume7606 I meant from a story telling perspective. Of course the UNSC wouldn't waste the resources to make a spartan that they knew would be incompetent. But from an out of universe perspective it makes sense to have them there to still be a capable fighting force but not a replacement.

I still love the ideas of 4s. I didn't like how the Covenant and Marines looked and acted in Halo 4. The Prometheans and the villian were pretty cool. Halo 4 didn't have enough battles so the campaign was lacking. Most spartan Ops missions sucked but, I liked it overall because it had 100 missions but about 15-20 good ones. Givings us more good missions than any Halo campaign. Its a real shame that I can't get SO to work on the MCC. I was going to make a list of all the good missions to play with friends. I want to see Spartan IVs, hellbringers, classic Halo 2 + Reach style Covenant, halo 4 style prometheans, halo 2/3 style marines and ODST, halo wars style unsc mechs to fight covenant (including skirmishers), halo 3 ODST style Brutes with halo 2 style brute honor guards, spectres, revenants, anti-air wraiths, gungooses, halo 3 style choppers, and a Reah style space battle.

That's dope sauce

She had her helmet. She just wasn't mindful to reset her shields. That needle is made to pierce. 4s are just asking to die. No sense of urgency or care.

the goat king she had her helmet on though.

Isaac Hinds wasn’t the radiation emitted from the ship preventing them from getting their shields on?

@@isaachinds3736 One of those Halo2 jackels

wasn't that a a jackal

makes sense.

Yup

Thier are offical megablock toys of em.

Tristan Backup That’s true. There’s official figure sets of each fireteam

It's funny because I made my "Crimson-Leader" Spartan wear the GenII Mark VI armor (ie. the one you get from beating Halo 4 on Legendary, including the visor), in dark red armor (because if you're fireteam is named after a colour, than obviously you should use that colour :P ), and one of Mega Bloks Crimson members does wear this armor, so that was kind of a "yay me" moment for me. Sadly, the Crimson Emblem that Mega Bloks and Halo 5 uses for Crimson is not actually available in Halo 4 (I just used the "117" one you get from beating Halo 4 on Legendary along with the aforementioned armor).

That was fire!

this needs way more likes. hot damn!

He ain't wrong.

I would.

I'm so used to hearing him speaking professionally and clearly and then I just got hit with that.

I kind of saw her comment in a different light. Master Chief is a " living legend ". He is the story the troops get told to motivate, and enemy's tell in hushed tones as the nightmare they fear. He comment " I thought you'd be" to me is more of a way of saying the old story of the bad ass being talked about like they are 10 foot tall and bullet proof. Or meeting the bad ass legend who's reputation makes him sound like superman

@Robert Herek The real superman got clapped by batman.

She wants to smash and was trying to establish banter. The way she looks him up and down.

Best? In terms of being soldiers, this makes them shit, in terms of being Spartans this makes them worse than shit, the whole idea of the Spartan programs were to create weapons that could think, not humans who could fight.

They honestly don't seem the most "human" to me I don't know enough about 1s other the Johnson but the 3s seemed like the most normal humans in the sense that they were the most down to earth realistic and "stable" the 4s simply show in my opinion the absolute worst aspects of humanity and while the 2s are generally considered the most broken in a way I've always felt they exemplified quite possibly the absolute BEST aspects of humanity that despite being broken despite being twisted and tortured by war you can still be loyal loving merciful understanding honorable and most of all heroic

Blue Pepper spartan IVs are made up of ODSTS

Blue Pepper that’s true lmao but they learned

@Blue Pepper ODST is hated Spartans early on the war because they felt like the Armour was just handed to them

The Spartan 4S are just about as bad as driving as kat

Thing is though, many Spartan IVs were originally ODSTs. For example, Palmer, Buck, Romeo, Dutch, Gretchen, and Mickey (sorta).

More like, gave Locke the depth of a piece of paper laid flat on a table.

I was in the Marines and I've met a few SOF operators, and I agree with your assessment their humility is beyond approach and I can see how UNSC SPARTANS can compare to modern SOF units particularly tier one units.

My father who served in the Pakistan Air Force has similar opinions. He's had a chance to meet members of the SSG (Special Service Group) and SSW (Special Service Wing), described them as no nonesense, stoic and professional with a relaxed/respectful "salook" (which means 'demeanor' or 'conduct' in Urdu) about them. Whereas my father was a lot more loose, playing pranks with their peers, having fun whilst on duty etc. He wasn't a pilot, common misconception, don't think playing pranks piloting a fighter jet is safe lol. Not everyone who serves in an Airforce branch is a pilot, but I digress. I'd wager its practically the same with all SF's around the world which the S2's and 3's are purposefully based off.

Yeah I did 6 years out of Army Special Operations... spartan 4s are like new trainees that havent got through selection yet... but frankly represent most of younger service members

This makes me wonder why 343 didn't bring in folks like you guys to figure out how best to design the characters of the S-IVs. You've all hit the nail on the head.

Heroes?

Lack of options mate

He's really an ODST, which are badass normal humans who earned the right to be called top-quality troops. With Spartan augmentations, he's the best Spartan IV there is. Locke isn't bad I suppose, but he's really, REALLY bland.

Buck is awesome yes but I think he should have stayed an ODST. Because ODST are badasses

@@Nonamearisto He also suffers from a case of "YES MAN" itis. ONI tells him to hunt a hero down "because" and he says "Yes sir." and does it without question. Even Buck asked Locke "Why? The man is THE hero of our species." essentially. Locke projected a perception of a lie onto a hero to justify his actions, he seemed to think the man in the suit was arrogant and had no respect for authority when the opposite is true, John respects the chain of command, but he also knows that the same chain of command can be the reason people die needlessly, the reason he and Hood play off each other so well is because they believe the same things.

Good thing Buck left the Spartan Squad, reformed Alpha Nine, and married Veronica.

When you put it like that it makes sence because irl peace time troops are shitbags because they have never had to do some real shit so they never take anything serious until life comes at them fast and they will be mentally overwhelmed and crumble

Soft from peace? The war has been over for like 4 years. They where all alive during the war, and most actually fought in it.

Soft from peace? Each and every single Spartan IV fought in the Human-Covanent War. The war had only been over for 4 years, with them still taking on many remnant factions. They weren't soft, they were different than the faceless, emotionless super soldier we're all used too.

@@Callsign_Bear and that made you feel accepted didnt it.

@@nonethelessfirst8519 What? The fuck does that even mean?

agreed

Harry Tinsley calm down there syndrome lol

Jarod Nguyen Lol

I still love the ideas of 4s. I didn't like how the Covenant and Marines looked and acted in Halo 4. The Prometheans and the villian were pretty cool. Halo 4 didn't have enough battles so the campaign was lacking. Most spartan Ops missions sucked but, I liked it overall because it had 100 missions but about 15-20 good ones. Givings us more good missions than any Halo campaign. Its a real shame that I can't get SO to work on the MCC. I was going to make a list of all the good missions to play with friends. I want to see Spartan IVs, hellbringers, classic Halo 2 + Reach style Covenant, halo 4 style prometheans, halo 2/3 style marines and ODST, halo wars style unsc mechs to fight covenant (including skirmishers), halo 3 ODST style Brutes with halo 2 style brute honor guards, spectres, revenants, anti-air wraiths, gungooses, halo 3 style choppers, and a Reah style space battle.

@@billclark5055 I like the idea of spartan 4s, too. Because that’s what Spartans basically are like in the movie 300. They were trained in battle to be well close to a super soldier rather than being adopted in childhood and ejected with things that make them stronger. I never liked the brainwash thing from the start anyway even though I do like the older spartan gen armors more

Honestly, that comment felt nitpicky as all hell to me

@@PrettyDamnDandy Disagree, If I saw a hero of mine you can be damn sure I wouldn't trip, I'd want to impress them I'd not only turn up the speed but I'd salute to. I'd prove to that legend I was worthy of the mantle of Spartan the SIVs are not

@@Kakuretaka seeing a war hero show up out of no where would surprise many people, losing concentration and footing leading to that spartan tripping a bit.

@@Kakuretaka You’d make an active effort to, but if you’re anything like the majority of people on the internet, you would fail, miserably and somehow make an even bigger fool of yourself.

@@Frostyman452 well, they are supposed to be spartans, with spartan augmentations and reflexes, not a regular soldier or folk in the internet

I still like to think spartans are usually reluctant to take their helmets, especially more experienced ones like Noble 6, Emile, and chief Having spent so much time in their armor they eventually begin to feel almost naked when they’re not in it. If you look at the timeline of halo reach, the campaign takes place over a month. Many missions probably carrying similar lengths of time

The difference is that Jorge was about to die, Echo likely had their reasons, and none of them fucked around when they just finished fighting an enemy.

Not in combat zones. Established bases are one thing, or anything considered a “safe zone” even though you are aware your actively in combat. Like in the long sword after halo ce when he takes it off at the end of the game. Also in the books when chief observed the behavior he’d note that wasn’t acceptable. In ghosts of onyx it mentions the IIIs had a bad habit of taking their helmets off when they weren’t supposed too. Like someone else mentioned Jorge was gonna unalive himself so what did it matter

@@Reegor any place designated for war is a combat zone even if there are areas that one can take a breath. All of reach was designated as a combat zone. But you're right Master Chief is much more mature than the newer spartans however there is a lot to mention. Master Chief used to be really childish and sometimes still is. Remember him scaring a grunt by saying "boo" he had no reason to do that other than to entertain himself. He also does what he wants even if it's against orders and you can say well he does what he wants because it is what should be done or because it's the smarter move, well it's not. Dr. Halsey said it herself Chief isn't the smartest spartan, the strongest spartan, or the fastest but he is the luckiest spartan. I would honestly just chalk it up to him being immature when he was younger, and obviously the newer spartans are younger so they are going through the same immaturity phase, but has matured much more because he has had the most time to. Even Spartan 2s of halo wars were immature. If you are fighting wars all the time usually the best way to keep morale up is to have a sense of humor. That being said you are right chief is definitely best with his behaviors and I think they probably made spartan 4s just because they wanted more super soldiers and didn't do the proper screening or training. And to give echo the benefit of the doubt they did not know how gone to shit reach was going to get, they only took their helmets off after clearing a building before they knew all of reach was invaded

@@blaketfg9374 yes I understand a combat zone, that’s what I said any established base or safe zone even if your actively in combat. Just like all of halo was a combat zone but when they had taken the butte, master chief didn’t even have is mjolnir armor on when he want to talk to Silva. Because they’d taken the butte back and established it as alpha base, or a safe zone. I remember chief getting tossed from the gravemind right into a hot zone with the prophet and brutes all in a closed room then him landing in front of a grunt, which yea he said boo and scared him. Maybe he should have been more tactical…. Interesting example I guess… As far as chief doing what he wants it’s because he has tactical command once he hits the ground. As long as the mission assigned gets completed, once chief hits the ground he’s in charge of everything and everyone unless he runs into an officer in charge of another squad. Which means he does what he wants because that’s the point of his rank…. I’ll give you the comment about those wash outs that are red team in halo wars I guess? As far as chief being the “best behaved” it’s not because he wants to. He’s squad commander of all the spartan 2s. He was taught to not join in,to separate himself and no show emotion so as to maintain respect among his “subordinates”. Really behavioral examples you’re mentioning Really have nothing to do with the simple disciplines of combat that had been beat into all of their heads in a very brutal fashion. Don’t take your helmet off in a active combat zone.

The only thing that makes the spartan 3’s inferior is that most of them were outfitted with inferior armor, save for exceptions like noble team. This came down to the budget though. It wasn’t much of a problem with the the previous Spartans, but now that the procedures were safer, more children survived them and became Spartans. So they had to spend more on armor.

I’ve seen more Spartan 4s die then 3s.

Shiiiit

​@@copperpepper5353 we have also seen more 4s then 3s on screen. In their first book 'ghost of onyx' it was stated that the first class of 3s, all 300 of them, died on their first mission. A mission with a 0% survival ratio and as such no plan for extraction. The second class of 300 was better but 90% still died only after a few missions. The 3s had a special detachment called 'headhunter' made up of 3s that survived 2 such missions and as such were given more care... if only by a small margin. The 3rd class was made up of ?315? but most of them were deployed off planet at the beginning of their book with only a few dozen on their training world of Onyx and they are the primary ones talked about. It's not that more 4s have died then 3s, its just that when it was that Bungy did different things with them and 343 only seems to only care about the games and generality then the detail work. That is not an excuse, Del Rio was stated in the books to be as much a political appontie to command in UNSC Infinity as anything else and he only treated the 4s in the same manner as the ODST. And the 4s act it. The 4s are, to use the trope, an average size fish in a small pond while the 2s were made to last and the 3s were to die in a blaze of glory.

@EPHRAIM HERNANDEZ Except there are almost no battles like that anymore. The war is over, remember?

That makes alot of sense. I like this idea

I like it too. Orion-IVs sounds best because it acknowledges the level of technological development while still recognizing the difference. I get that the UNSC wanted to exploit the PR-boost that came from the Spartan-name but you can also justify reverting to Orion with military respect. According to Mah Boi Zack from the Comics Matter, one of the most striking qualities of U.S. Marines he met was humility. When they were tasked with cleaning up, the buck wasn't passed to the least of the team but instead they all did it together to efficiently finish their duties ASAP and without any rank-pulling shenanigans because at their level of performance they all become intricately familiar with their ultimate fragility as human beings. So that writing would be true to life.

Orion IV: spartan II’s were originally called Orion II’s, I think

It does sound good but that would mean ONI would have to admit that THEY were the ones that technically started the human experiment program that Halsey later adapted into the Spartan 2 & 3 program, which they would never admit because they want to use Halsey as their scapegoat hence the reason for the name change in the first place lol. But it would make more sense since the Spartan program is Halsey’s and the Orion program is Oni and I’m pretty sure Halsey had nothing to do with spartan 4’s

Actually while the Orion project was the grandfather of the Spartan II and III projects the Spartan II's and III's were called such as a nod to the original ancient Spartans, due to the fact that they were taken at a young age to begin training and indoctrination. That was even explained in the books. So technically you would call the IV's Orion II's not Orion IV's.

Yes

That was the intent with the Academy storyline in the multiplayer mode, till 343 scrapped it in season 4.

I wish had more about thier training

@Ana L'Seepage humanity is no longer on a survivalist war footing though. Insurrectionist from what I understand aren't that much of a threat anymore.

Well orginal the IIs where for rebel suppressing not alien warfare. Unlike the IIIs which were made for this exact reason. Though I dont see it being a bad idea to open a new spartan program. Also if anything like a threat of human genocide occured again I wouldnt see s problem with kidnap and in doctoring 7 yrs olds for spartan program the were more honed and efficient. Anything else would be of less importance at the time.

@@Themrine2013 The voluntary aspect of being a spartan 4 can be deadly for the unsc though case and point is Mickey.

@@rushpatriot2866 its funny, even the canon fodder 3s act better than the 4s

@@rushpatriot2866 zane

Jaela Aurelius More like as useful as Kat driving a warthog.

Jaela Aurelius want some cheese with that whine? 4s are veteran ODSTs, ARMY special forces or 3’s

Jaela Aurelius Spartan 3s we’re actually used correctly. They were created to be suicide soldiers. To buy the UNSC and humanity time. Which they did.

Personally I don’t believe that the spartan 3 program was as unethical as kidnapping 6 year olds to make the 2’s. The 3’s were orphaned from the human covenant war and mostly joined willingly

spartan 1 are 8/10, 3s 9/10 and the 2 are 11/10

Just got to that part and holy fk I just started laughing and wondering if I heard that right 😂

ODSTs are fucking awesome, fuck sPaRtAn iVs

nuclearjanitors Spartan 4s largely are ODST you dolt

друг They where ODSTs by and large. I think it’s a mostly a portrayal issue. We loved ODSTs as the finest regular soldiers we could field. And then we made it so they could actually match the effectiveness of Spartan II’s in the old armors. Gave em the title of Spartans. And then they where portrayed as frat bro’s. If they had the attitudes of Humanities finest regular human’s shown in the ODSTs portrayals, with the capabilities of Spartan augmentation you should have a damn fine group of individuals. Proud and ready to get to work and do what they’ve always done except better, that’d be the type I’d respect..But we didn’t.

@@chickenmonger123 ODSTs were absolutely not "regulars"...They are SOC light infantry.

I think the Dialogue was just bad.

No one ever disrespected him, Halo fans are just crybabies.

@@addisonwelsh the covenant tried it. Hell, even the banished recognized chief’s status and legend during the gameplay demo.

@@addisonwelsh well he killed hundreds maybe thousands of covenant, fought za flood twice and won, stopped the Halo rings, fought the banished, and flew threw space with a Big ass bomb to destroy a cruiser i believe, broke 4 ODST fresh out of augmentation, and fought for 40 years without break

But that does not give them an excuse to slack off and fuck around in an active combat zone. When in their home base or HQ, they can go ahead, but not when they just finished fighting.

He could’ve at least had his helmet with him so he can have is HUD and Shields ready

Blame the unsc for that. IV’s are adults by the time they become Spartans, therefore their personalities have already developed and are less likely to change. Look at Locke for example, he was a hitman for ONI, so he’s serious, but he isn’t bland and boring like chief. Buck was an ODST so he knows how to be professional, but he uses his humor to make situations less tense and help him keep calm. Any psychologist can tell you humor in tense situations can actually be helpful. The spartan IV’s are supposed to be inferior to previous generations. It’s the whole reason Halsey was branded a criminal. She kidnapped kids and turned them into soldiers, making them fight each other and only the strongest the soldiers survived. It created superior soldiers, (which were originally made to combat terrorists and rebellion) but it robbed families of their real children, and these kidnapped kids were brainwashed into loving Halsey and viewing her as a mother.

@@glowhoo9226 oni kidnapped the children and hired Halsey to make the various implants and genetic modifications while also raising them and helping to teach them. Halsey was just used as a patsy a fall guy by oni so that they weren't entirely disbanded by the unsc high command

Master chief needs to train every spartan

@@takenking2925 While I agree the Master Chief should be the one to assess those looking to become Spartans, it's below his paygrade. The man should be in charge of the entire Spartan branch and calling the shots.

Spartan 3s were in charge. Jun helped train them

Fuck off, soldiers aren't uptight bitches that work the work all the time. Good soldiers know the time and place and are human by doing retarded shit. The "real soldier" thing is also cringy as fuck.

@@enclavesoldier769 Can Confirm.

@@enclavesoldier769 same with Marines we fuck around all the time especially when we are just around each other. But when it comes down to it. We do our jobs well.

@@derekmensch3601 So you're the 9-5 soldiers?

@@BlackEpyon yes, we are infact human. Most are when you are off duty or even on duty but not doing anything. And we aren't soldiers.

Wrong they’re a lot more than that... lol

Michael Filias no they are basically just that there is nothing special about them they’re just shielded meat shields

They are basically just marines on steroids wearing power armor. Callimg them glorified ODSTs is an insult to actual ODSTs

@LOAN NGUYEN Not even. The ODSTs were more professional, barring Romeo.

Actually there is a theory that each time a key mind is formed the flood regains a part of its ancient power like when they shut down all the precursor tech the forruners had salvaged

The Flood are a corrupted version of the Precursors. For all its worth, the Precursors may not be biological or even mechanical beings at all. They could literally take any form or shape if so they desired. The Flood is just an ironically crude version of a 'cleaning agent' they employed to assimilate all sentient life in the galaxy. Maybe when it is all over, sentient life starts again under their care.

I fell off my chair with that one

I don't know man whenever I pick up an energy sword in the campaign I never once stopped and thought is this an optimal weapon for engaging my target. I would go woohoo grab it and never look back

@@mark1A100 I'feel the same xd, I just can't leave the energy sword is so cool, and when I really need to do that I'grab the Sword when I'don't need the other weapon anymore, i always end up searching and telling "where is my sword?, there is!"

What they're doing is something that happens in literally every war, taking the spoils of battle, they're just doing what that very same Elite did to the Humans it killed, looting objects as souvenirs

@@mark1A100 I make sacrifice because it'll serve me better later on

They all went through the Human-Covenant war. It was only four years after the events of four, so you'd expect them to at least have some level of professionalism.

@@starhammer5247 but at the same time post war, especially one so significant as the. Human-Covenant war leads people to be a lot more party like, to relax as much as they can thinking that relatively, everything is peaceful.

@@JuicyBoyClub Maybe but you'd expect the veterans and the best of the best to at least have some form of trauma from seeing what the Covenant can do and would apply that to the enemies they're currently facing. Even then it would be smarter to keep in combat formation and not do stupid shit like these guys tend to do. Not even a vet in peacetime would do that shit in an active combat zone.

@@starhammer5247 the war lasted for 28 years, so most of them went trough rough times for years, so war becomes the daily routine and most wartime generations kinda get numb to it (just look at current warzones) Also you actually play together with Buck in Halo ODST, back when he was a jumper, it is set during Halo 3 when the Covenant attacks earth.

@@DerDrecksack87 And he played by the book. He wasn't stupid.

True, but I would expect her to show some formalities like "Its an honor to fight with you" or something like that when meeting a veteran spartan. Especially a legend and during a mission!

@@carlospomares3225 she wanted to lighten the mood with everything that happened. there isn't anything wrong with a little joking around.

walter a Gamma company is still somewhere ...

How dope would an odst style game with a spartan 3 in SPI armor be?

I like the idea of anybody can be a spartan, I just feel like everyone hates spartan 4s just cus of how bad the writing is.

@@harveyquinn3535 in my opinion, the “anyone can be a spartan” kind of takes away their mystique to me, especially when spartans that not everyone can be exist in halo.

@@gregmattes2119 yeah but 100 plus spartan 4s are more effective than 1 spartan 2

IKnowMyWorldWars ik its a joke and im not the type to stereotype generations anyway but ill be the turd to point out that Halo takes place 500 years in the future. But i agree, Slls are the best.

Chief is a boomer spartan, and he’s got no fucking personality at all. I honestly hate hearing him talk because it’s always the same thing. At least with people like buck and Locke we get some damn personality. Though I’m not hating on it because spartan 2’s are extremely indoctrinated to be serious. They make it a point to explain that children are easier to indoctrinate than adults, hence why the spartan IV’s don’t act like the other generations

@@glowhoo9226 Locke with personality? Nani

Justsome Honeybear chief has a personality, read the comics, books and watch the fall of reach and halo legends if you want to understand why chief acts the way he does. My guy john is an absolute legend

@@glowhoo9226 Chief has tonnes of personality, his general silence shows his personality. Hes calm, methodical and speaks through his actions. So when he does speak your left hanging on his words.

Having one be a wisecrack that takes their job seriously when in combat would make people like them more than what Fireteam Majestic was like. Thorne was what you'd expect to see, three fifth's of the team were what you didn't want to see.

TCRP117 Yeah diss the people who literally keeps you a bit farther from death, reason I said a bit is because with that attitude he/she is gonna get cocky and get themselves killed.

Do you really think the same scientists aboard the Infinity - who want to study ancient forerunner tech partially because they majored in the fields of alien technology - are the same scientists who designed the physical and mental enhancements for the SPARTAN-IV's because THEY majored in biotech and human enhancement? Two completely different specialties, two completely different types of scientists. For all we know, the SPARTAN-IV's actually respect and praise the scientists who gave them their enhancements but they just find the scientists on the Infinity annoying. Think twice or put some logic into your comment before you post it.

@Zweigling Indeed. TCRP117 and Cheeseball Gooberpants are not very bright.

@@holdguard4624 Yes. Because its not like the people who created their armor or enhancements would need to be on the Infinity to monitor them or repair/upgrade the armor. You are such a fucking tard. The irony of you telling someone else think twice after spewing some bullshit you clearly didn't think about.

Lmao they're just Marines without their armor. Except Marines respect the MC.

Corps* Hoplites* An* Spartans*

Calling them "hoplites" would just make the S-IV's seem like meatshields for the REAL Spartans.

kronos48221 Nah, despite common myth, the ancient Spartans weren’t all that special.

Yeah, good luck convincing that Hardcore veteran ODST that he'd be called a 'Hoplite' once he goes through all that training and augs...

Rajendra Shetti Exactly

The Spartan-IVs are weaker and slower than the previous two generations.

Ryan McCallum Honestly true Also while I’m here is it sad how spartan assault portrays Spartan Palmer better than the halo 4/5 and spinoff showing that lousy attitude spartan better than the actual game, but I digress

They wanted to emmulate the Space Marine vibe with the S-IVs. Even though there's literal space marines in the game....

For good of human kind, I would do that too. Except I don't have as much problem with Palmer as others since I don't play Multiplayer. But it was a great line.

Too late ya. Me thinks Lasky already knocked her down a peg after spartan ops, after her circus act.

I thought the same thing as you. When Locke says "you're not the only one here because of him." It could also very well mean that they both chose to become Spartans because they were inspired by the Master Chief.

Médéric Hébert the problem is, they left it too open to interpretation

Yep,but Master Chief only goofed around like that every now and then,not every other minute like your average Spartan IV.

The stupids are vanguards, the greatest are Spartans.

They're veteran marines and ODST's.

She’s just a bitter old control freak that’s upset that someone did her job better h Th an her and she has no input in the creation of spartan 4s. She’s even slightly pissed that spartan 3s don’t see her as their mother like the spartan 2s do.

Kolin martz are you talking about Palmer or Halsey?

She’s bitter not because they are using her resource without her consent maybe a little, bit they have the audacity to pin all the blame and laws the Spartan program broke all on her. Not to mention continuing the program that she created with not just the Spartans but also mjolnir. They are using her as a scapegoat which is why she is pissed at them, and that the whole idea of her Spartans being humanity’s best soldiers sorta goes down the shit by the attitude of the 4s.

Maybe, if that was their intention

@@warcrimes390 it was done on purpose.....Cortana and Halsey point this out in Halo 5. I guess people don't pay attention.

@@thaneros doesn't matter they're still written as being completely unlikable,

@@alizaidi2893 Subjectively

@@thaneros objectively, just because a minority of fan boys who love anything halo defend them doesn't change the fact that they tried and failed to center the main games around them. They're shitty written characters

Wasn't he always that tall? Isn't like the librarian gave him new armour too

There are a few jackasses and block heads sprinkled around the special ops community but the three qualitys the get them through is exceptional strength and endurance, strong commitment, and they generally prove to be very selfless individuals during selection.

Or Fireteam Crimson cleaned up after them....again.

@@crimsonking4151 If you got caught disobeying orders and running out of cover like the fuck stick did in the real military, any officer within a 5 mile radius minimum would shitcan your ass before you could blink. And that type of behavior would've shown itself well before you joined any special forces group and prevented you from getting into one.

They graduated so they could be put in the super special secret platoon where all the super secret special soldiers graduate into for super special secret missions, in which the jackasses are sent to "make a wondrous mess of things" create a distraction die while the ODSTs do the the real job xD

she can't joke around with chief?

@@FarAtmosphere Spartans 4 are supposed to be focus

@@devdream9277 Palmer was just joking around with him to lighten the mood. Real world soldiers do it all the time, not sure what you're getting at

@@FarAtmosphere Real time soldier are not spartan like they don't have advanced tech who can complety change the war if it fall in enemy hand

@@FarAtmospherebut that's not the question i'm dumb sry

it's the chemical composition of the shoulder that's changed the most if I'm not mistaken. I imagine the biggest problem would be setting the damn thing.

@@kpmh2001 douglas is a spartan 2 so he has the physical carbon plates that were grafted to his bones opposed to the chemical processes of spartans 3 and 4s

@@hashiondiscord8540 That's a good point actually, the plates would probably have to be removed for the shoulder to heal properly, unless it was a clean snap, and given the amount of time it takes him to return to the field, that's my best guess. If it was a more erratic fracture (powderization, which I doubt) than frankly I don't know.

@@kpmh2001 it could be a fracture that separates the plate from the bone cracking both in different ways aswell.

@@hashiondiscord8540 True, but I don't recall the game giving us a lot of details about it. Guesswork is just about all we have unless we can find a better source.

I feel sorry for the S-IV, because they have a Karen as a boss

She's a stand in for the personality of SGTMAJ Johnson as the franchise's resident loud badass. Unlike Johnson, however, she's insufferable... and _she's your boss._

I think that's probably why I actually liked the IV's. Lmfao Cause I got early RvB vibes.

@@drowzydullahan They were fun because of how incompetent they all were lol